Talk:Cipher

Trivia Edit
Commdor, why was a perfectly valid triva addition removed? SInce when has 'subjective' been a reason to undo trivia, especially in a case that is not subjective. As the trivia notes, the descriptions of the cipher and 'grok' are extremely similar and both are science fiction concept. That trivia is perfectly valid, and should not have been removed. JakePT 06:00, April 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Similar, but in my opinion not close enough without direct dev confirmation that there is a link. The Cipher is more of an abstract construct, a singular defined entity, a noun. Stranger in a Strange Land's "grokking" is a process, a verb. To me, it's like saying a book = reading. I think comparing the two as a reference is subjective, just too much of a stretch to warrant mention as trivia. I won't oppose re-adding this if we can get solid confirmation from BioWare that the Cipher was based on/inspired by/a reference to "grok". -- Commdor (Talk) 06:18, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Mass Effect: Genesis
There should be a mention of the Cipher/Shiala being removed from the lore, as per the interactive Mass Effect: Genesis comic which removes Feros from the story.


 * ME: Genesis does not remove the events of Feros or anything else from the lore, it is not a retelling of ME. Genesis was originally designed by BioWare to act as a brief intro to the series for PS3 players, who cannot access ME themselves and carry over ME's decisions into ME2. As such, Genesis only examines the most important decision points of ME. Feros was left out (as well as all of the side missions) because there's no big decision there, not because it is no longer part of the lore. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:36, August 31, 2011 (UTC)