User talk:Commdor/Archive 7

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Well, We Need to Get moving
Since it seems that the Chat proposal has passed, we need to get ideas for moderators because I don't think turning it on without them is a good idea.

I was thinking that I could open a forum in the Projects forum about the project I've been working on and get interest in it. Opinions on both? Lancer1289 (talk) 00:17, September 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd email senior editors and ask if they would like the additional responsibility first, then over the next few weeks nominate additional chat mods from the regular editor pool as the need arises. I don't think we should go out of our way to promote a large number of mods until we're sure the Chat feature is going to be used on a consistent basis and warrants the attention. And I agree with your second suggestion. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:33, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you wouldn't mind sending the emails please because I'm literally about to pass out. I'm tired as can be right now. I'll post the forum with some basic information, with more to come. Lancer1289 (talk) 03:05, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have posted the page, Forum:Operation Concentrated Effort. Lancer1289 (talk) 03:18, September 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Emails sent. I pinged the senior editors who have been active within the past few weeks. If Bronzey and Dammej make an appearance, I'll contact them as well. -- Commdor (Talk) 04:20, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

Chat Mod Nominations
I'd like to nominate myself for a chat mod position. What channels do I need to go through to make this happen? --Mr. Mittens (talk) 03:54, September 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * You've come to the right place. I'll bring your request up with the other admins tomorrow. What'll happen is we examine and discuss your qualifications (based on quality and number of contributions, cooperation with other users, etc.), then vote on whether or not to grant you chat mod rights. This process may take a few days, I'll let you know the results via email. -- Commdor (Talk) 04:20, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, sounds good. I recognize that some of the admins are worried that my proposal of Live Chat will cause problems, so figure I have some kind of responsibility to make sure their fears don't come true. --Mr. Mittens (talk) 04:23, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I would also like to throw my hat into the ring for a position as a chat moderator.--Legionwrex (talk) 17:39, September 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright, I'll include your request in the discussion. -- Commdor (Talk) 17:49, September 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you.--Legionwrex (talk) 17:54, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I would like to join the chat moderator club. Would you kindly consider my request?--SolitaryReaper (talk) 18:43, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

personal image limit?
what do we do with the uploads of this guy. it's clear he more than exceeded the 10 image limit for personal use and so far all his uploads just links to his sandbox pages. i found it rather pointless to stick AfD tags on each and everyone on those since even if they are of crap quality they arguably can serve the purpose of showing the search and rescue locations for each ME3 system (pre-leviathan). T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 09:43, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * ...aaand i'd also like to point out the uploads of the vault's founder here. another case of useful images that may need to go because of policy. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 11:15, September 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * The first user's images are permissible because they were intended for a project he was working on and the images he uploaded for it would technically be considered usable in regular articles (point 3 of the user image policy), even though the user's inactivity means his project will likely never reach fruition. Ausir's uploads happened before the policy was in place, and although he's five images over the limit, I'm willing to overlook it. There was never any clear caveat that the user image policy was retroactive. -- Commdor (Talk) 11:34, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * good. i hate seeing informative images go because of policy. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 11:38, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Sigh
Re:. I see you didn't even bother to start a talk page discussion. Thanks for reminding me why I don't bother with Wikia. I tried to help you guys, but if you want to play the "I own the article I don't want to see it changed", fine. I am mostly done with the game; I tried to share my experience - but if you don't want it, fine. --Piotrus (talk) 16:31, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * The onus is on you as the person wanting to add this information to start the discussion. If two other users can verify your information, then it can be added to the article. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:37, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Very well, I will start it, provided that you, the editor who requested the verification, will take the few minutes worth of effort, follow the links I added, and be the first of the two other editors to verify that. Deal? --Piotrus (talk) 19:04, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, the verification process is an official site policy. All bugs/errors, solutions to said bugs/errors, and rare or disputed gameplay instances must be verified by two additional users. There's nothing to make a deal about, this is a required process. Additionally, I do not own the PC version of Mass Effect, so I cannot test your info myself. I'm afraid you will have to wait for other users to respond to the discussion. I did, however, re-add a portion of your info that did not need the actual game to verify. -- Commdor (Talk) 22:42, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification, perhaps I overreacted. However, why can't we accept the forum discussions linked as verifications? --Piotrus (talk) 00:29, September 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Another policy here prohibits the use of outside fan-generated information as a source, because it's usually unreliable (it could be outdated, incomprehensibly vague, or even deliberately false). Requiring independent verification from multiple ME Wiki users ensures that the information is current and more reliable. -- Commdor (Talk) 02:50, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Creatures Article
Hey, nice job so far on the sandbox version. I would also add the space hamster and the various fish species (or at least a link to that article). Also, please see my comment on the Aite Flyer talk page regarding some suggestions for the miscellaneous species portions. Thanks! TheUnknown285 (talk) 21:03, September 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've added those creatures to the page, but I disagree with your formatting ideas. The Background Races article is formatted the way it is because none of those listed races have available images to use or have enough info to warrant separate articles, while the majority of creatures have images and separate articles with more in-depth info. Essentially, the BR page is designed to be a comprehensive article on its subject matter, whereas a Creatures page can be a portal page in the manner of Races, Characters, Soundtracks, etc. Think of the Creatures page as a menu of various different entrees, versus the BR page as a single, specific entree. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:44, September 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think I'm not explaining my point clearly enough. When I refer to a "Miscellaneous Creatures" article, I mean an article, separate from the main creatures article, that holds the information for those species where we don't have enough information to warrant a separate article, not an article.  In other words Miscellaneous Creatures:Creatures::Background Races:Races


 * Does that clarify? Thanks.  TheUnknown285 (talk) 22:45, September 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see what you mean, but I don't think that's a practical approach right now. If we use identified miscellaneous creatures that don't have articles, I only count four (manal, deinorostrum, kakliosaur, Sifurman creature). Back when I proposed the Background Races page, we had 14 different examples of races to use. At the very least I'd want half that many creatures before a separate "Miscellaneous Creatures" page is considered, to make it closer in content size to similar compilation pages like Drugs, Diseases, Entertainment, or Awards. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:22, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Is it possible to delete blogs?
Because if so, I have a couple to delete. Also, thanks for helping me with the Raider's page! TW6464 (talk) 16:47, October 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, admins can delete blogs like any other page. Which of your blogs do you want deleted? -- Commdor (Talk) 16:52, October 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow, didnt expect that fast of a response. Anyway, I would like these blogs deleted, please

Thank you, Commdor! TW6464 (talk) 16:58, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:TW6464/Does_everyone_hate_me%3F
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:TW6464/Does_anyone_else_think_that_Tali_and_Cortez_would_be_good_friends
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:TW6464/I_HATE_TALIBRATIONS!!!!!!!_(my_complaints_with_Tali_and_Garrus_romance)
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:TW6464/Karmatic_Retribution!
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:TW6464/New_Squadmates_ideas
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:TW6464/How_do_commendation_packs_work
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:TW6464/Where_are_pictures_for_the_Adas_Anti_Synthetic_Rifle_and_Blood_Pack_Punisher
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:TW6464/Extended_cut:_not_as_good_I_thought
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:TW6464/Online_pass_glitch


 * Done. -- Commdor (Talk) 17:10, October 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks! TW6464 (talk) 17:20, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Could you delete this blog, please: Thank you--TW6464 (talk) 19:46, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:TW6464/Cerberus_influence

Operation Concentrated Effort
Operation Concentrated Effort is now on, and you have been chosen for the lead of Projects Councilor and Logos, focusing on the Race Articles, and Real World articles respectively. The basic control page for the project can be found here and here. You can update the project goals as necessary. Please remember that communication and cooperation is vital to the project. I signed up to assist you on Logos because that is something that I have found myself focusing on from time to time.

Good luck. Lancer1289 (talk) 20:30, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Just on a side note, well read the last message on my talk page, from me, and that shows you that I'm on autopilot and need a nap. My keyboard right now is looking like a nice pillow. I'll be back on later. Lancer1289 (talk) 21:13, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Character Template Troubles.
I am project lead of Project Chronicle, as such, I, and the rest of the team, have been tasked with creating a Character Template to work on all character articles. I am not exactly an expert with templates, so I decided the best thing to do would be to modify the current template. I basically added three new sections under the "class" section of the original template, those new sections are as follows; race, gender, and location.

The problem I'm having is that the three new sections won't show up when the edit is complete, all that shows up is the name and class sections. You can find the template here under the "Project Chronicle" section. You can only see the three new sections if you are editing the page. Please help.--Legionwrex (talk) 16:53, October 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're only editing the basic transcluded version of the template used in articles. The actual nuts and bolts you have to edit are in Template:Character. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:58, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * So I have to edit the actual Character Template's page itself? If that is the case, which one do I edit, the first one or the blank values one?--Legionwrex (talk) 17:01, October 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * You would copy the script and edit it within your sandbox first. Everything within the tags on Template:Character is the actual template script. The rest of the page is documentation, which you would need to update to reflect your changes to the template's functions, but it has no effect on the template itself. If you're having trouble, I could try my hand at it. -- Commdor  (Talk) 17:12, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. For now I want to try and do it myself, as it could be helpful to know how to do it in the future, thank you for the offer though.--Legionwrex (talk) 17:16, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I have completed it. Thank you for the help.--Legionwrex (talk) 17:34, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

Priority: Rannoch
I noticed that the wiki still has only a draft of the requirements for making peace between the geth and quarians. I checked the point system mentioned on its talk page and left there a link to what seems the original BSN post, which, however, states the source of the information as leaks - which, if I understand correctly, means that it cannot be included in the article.

However, I do believe that we can at least use the information to compare our playthroughs and check if it's valid, and edit the article in terms of missions/requirements without actually referring to the points. I've made a charter with the possible alternatives of the decision branching and I would like to get as many people cooperate on this as possible, but I don't know where to put it - the project forums? And would it be OK to work with the point system there?

Thanks for any input. --Ygrain (talk) 15:43, October 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, the "point" system is outlined prominently on pg. 263 of the official ME3 guidebook by Prima Games (I have the hardcover Collector's Edition version). That should be a sufficient source to add it to the article. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:59, October 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh? How come no-one has supplied the info in the meantime? Do so few people possess the guidebook? - I don't, so could you possibly do the editing yourself? --Ygrain (talk) 17:19, October 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:12, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

Voting.
Would it be okay if I opened voting on the Project Forum, or is there still some concerns that you would like to be addressed.--Legionwrex (talk) 19:05, October 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I have no other concerns at this time, but usually we give the discussion period a few days to make sure as many users as possible have voiced their opinions. I don't think there's any defined rule preventing you from starting the vote now if you feel there isn't anything more to discuss, but I recommend waiting another day or two. Ultimately, it's up to you. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:20, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll take your advice and wait a day or two.--Legionwrex (talk) 19:24, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would also suggest that you take some of the suggestions and try and act on them. If you can't, then find someone who can.
 * Commdor, would you also mind checking your email? Lancer1289 (talk) 19:30, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * What suggestions are you talking about? I already did all of the suggestions, except for Temporaryeditor78's, mainly because I don't see the need for all of that extra stuff he suggested. It is unneeded and unnecessary.--Legionwrex (talk) 19:36, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Closure
I'm back Commdor! But I'm not here to stay. Just needed some closure since you blocked me for no reason. First off I'm past the whole "swearing on this wiki" issue. Everyone supports me as indicated by the fact that I received more votes than you on the policy reform. It's like arguing with the wall since some are so easily offended. Next, you wrongly accused me of "harassment" when you blocked me. This was simply an excuse to block me, I never harassed you or any other Admin PERIOD. Sure we disagreed on that language issue but I still HAD respect for you and never once harassed you. I was always polite when I questioned and asked your opinion on certain issues. In addition, you said that I was wrongly soliciting for votes for the reform buy using my VOTE blog series to promote it. That is a TON of bull, you knew I would win so you just shut me down to keep that from happening. On a final note, I'm done with this wiki. Much like the Mass Effect trilogy is over, My use of this wiki is over. Feel free to leave a reply, I'm sure you will. I'm off to go make one final blog post. I used to have respect for you and once thought you were the man for this wiki. I was wrong.--GethHaveFeelings2 (talk) 04:38, October 9, 2012 (UTC).
 * You where blocked because of the fact you created an entire blog blasting this wikis admins and insinuating a conspiracy, need I remind you of the now deleted "Vote 13: Conspiracy Edition". You also made a rather over dramatic speech about how this wiki is like the Reapers cycle, and how you where leaving and not coming back. The fact you have returned just to argue tells me that you are just hungry for attention.--Legionwrex (talk) 04:51, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

You would know a thing or two about being hungry for attention Legion! You act like you're some big authority on this wiki but you are NOT! Maybe my vision is a bit foggy but I don't see ADMIN written over your name. Also I did say I was leaving and I AM but not before addressing a few final problems. Such as the fact that not everyone saw the original VOTE 13. Want to know why? Because I was falsely censored and suppressed due to my knowledge of the situation. And never once did I compare this wiki to a Reaper cycle I compared the way this wiki's users are censored to a Reaper cycle.--GethHaveFeelings2 (talk) 23:35, October 9, 2012 (UTC).
 * Right, I enforce site policy and act like how a good editor should, which apparently means I'm hungry for attention. The very fact you returned here just to answer me proves my point. Additionally, the reason your blog was deleted was because it was insulting the admins of this wiki, accusing them of some conspiracy against you. This is my last post here, I don't want to start a flamewar on Commdor's talk page, if you wish to continue you may do so on my talk page. One last thing, people will generally listen and respect your arguments better if you don't use ad hominem attacks, keep that in mind.--Legionwrex (talk) 23:50, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

does anyone have pics if Retaliation content?
What the title says.TW6464 (talk) 19:48, October 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't know. I assume the users who usually supply our images will upload some soon enough. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:53, October 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * the weapons and some character pics are up, just need some enemies, and a couple more characters. and we'll be good.--TW6464 (talk) 00:00, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

NEED HELP!
Commdr, Look, If there's any way for you to calm Lancer1289, PLEASE DO! He's.... beyond p****d off that i said, "i dont have time to help with Project: Concetrated Effort" but i did have time... anyway, now Mr. Mittens has gotten him mad, and i think it's gonna spiral out of control. So, please HELP CALM LANCER DOWN! I know this is kind of a big request but please... I dont want to get Mittens in trouble with Lancer.--TW6464 (talk) 21:03, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Dude, really? When he sees this he'll probably be even angrier. and frankly I wouldn't blame him. You lied straight to his face and then you go around upset about why he is mad at you.--Legionwrex (talk) 21:11, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh S***, your right...... And by the way I'm not upset, Im just trying to get someone to stop this before it gets worse.... And you know what? Lancer if you're reading this, the reason I lied to your face is because I didn't know what to say, alright! I'm sorry for lying, but please, calm down.--TW6464 (talk) 21:22, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I think it's all good.... I hope.--TW6464 (talk) 15:11, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

I need some advice. I ranted on BSN about how the fans are ungrateful, and now I'm scared. I don't know these people are going to say. Any advice?--TW6464 (talk) 21:50, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Uh, yeah, maybe solve your own problem instead of bothering Commdor. If you want to stop worrying about getting in trouble, stop doing things like this.--Legionwrex (talk) 21:56, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, sorry if I'm just asking for advice! I'm not asking him to solve my problem for me--TW6464 (talk) 21:58, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * You know what, screw it, I'm feeling helpful. Link me to the rant and I'll tell you what to do.--Legionwrex (talk) 22:01, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, here it is:http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/14477731/20#14861514

--TW6464 (talk) 22:04, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

DLC Page is gone
Wat the title says--TW6464 (talk) 15:10, October 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you're referring to. The Downloadable Content article has been accessible since I got online this morning. If you can't go to the page, I can only guess that the issue stems from your browser or internet connection. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:51, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that my Internet connection may have been the problem. It's all good now.--TW6464 (talk) 16:57, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

How to classify powers based on descriptions?
Lancer and I disagreed on the classification of certain powers. I'll defer to his judgement and go with descriptions rather than game data. Do you know of any precedents that exist that would make this clearer for me?

Still, some of them really confuse me. Ballistic Blades doesn't seem very tech-like except for the fact that an omni-tool is used. Lksdjf (talk) 04:23, October 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Anything at all? Lksdjf (talk) 03:59, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delay, I forgot to respond. I can't name specific precedents, but I do know that we usually rely on in-game descriptions rather than raw data. It's a habit that I think stems from when ME was originally an Xbox 360 exclusive, there was no PC version for the first editors to mine for info. -- Commdor (Talk) 04:13, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, that seems fair. However, what I'm not really getting is that some of this data is not really information that needs to be mined for, but is fairly readily available in terms of things like match medals.  Powers like Ballistic Blades are classified as tech, and to me, everything about it screams combat, based on things like description, the class that it belongs to, and the in-game performance.  If the only thing that keeps Ballistic Blades tech is the omni-tool, then it further confuses me because we are relying on the game and not the description for that particular incident.


 * I'm just wondering if perhaps there could be a criterion or a review period for classification of certain powers, because in-game performance and descriptions are sometimes at odds with each other. Lksdjf (talk) 05:15, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd say that if there is any dispute over which classification a power (or powers) belongs to, start a discussion on the talk page and let the community decide. And if we get some sort of official lore that settles what a power is definitively, it would supersede the discussion decision (unlikely, of course, but it bears mentioning). It's not perfect, but it's the most accessible means to settling this we have. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:51, October 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the pointers. Lksdjf (talk) 00:28, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Edits not appearing on Recent Activity?
Most of the time, I use the Recent Activity page to keep track of what's happening on the wiki, but sometimes I've noticed that edits don't show up in it. The specific thing that made me post this was the recent edits to Storyline III about the Leviathans - I spotted them from Recent Activity and was going to revert them, but noticed that they had already been removed without the edit showing up on Recent Activity. This kind of thing has happened a few other times in the past months as well. Do you have any idea why this happens?--Zxjkl (talk) 03:00, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Not sure, I don't use Wiki Activity, so I haven't noticed. It could be the usual glitches, lag, unforeseen consequences of Wikia code updates, and other assorted quirks that crop up from time to time. One I'm frustrated with at the moment is that the search bar has been missing from the Recent Changes page for a week or two now, but it could be back tomorrow or in three months. -- Commdor (Talk) 03:19, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * For the record, the edit in question still hasn't shown up.


 * Incidentally, on the subject of the Leviathan thing, why is it that Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival are mentioned on the Storyline pages?--Zxjkl (talk) 03:56, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think at some point we must have decided they were worth noting; they occurred after ME2's main story and had plots that bridged the gap between ME2 and ME3. Other DLCs occur during the events of the games, so they're treated like side missions and ignored since they aren't integral to the main plot. -- Commdor (Talk) 04:06, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * If I can stay coherent enough, since I'm literally nodding off right now, I can explain. The Wiki activity page is a really stripped down version of the RC. Uploads, Template, and other edits like that don't appear. What also doesn't appear are rollbacks. If an edit is rolled back, it disappears from the Wiki activity page. Using the RC is easier and tells more than the WA page. Lancer1289 (talk) 04:58, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Authentic Renders by Troodon80 on dA
Hey administrator Commdor, you said if there was anything I needed help with, I was to contact you on your talk page. Well, here I am, and I have a bit of a problem. There's this guy on DeviantART called Troodon80 who creates authentic Mass Effect reference models that are straight from the game files. Here's the link for his page. I have his official statement saved on file in my computer, and I believe it is also on his webpage on dA. I asked him if it was okay if I submitted these to the Mass Effect wiki, and he said sure, go ahead. Then he told me how other users tried to the same thing before, but they (the images I mean) got deleted because they were presumed to be "fan art", which is incorrect. They are excellent renders straight from the game files. I would like to submit them to the wiki, but I fear that they (the other administrators, yourself included) might delete them under the same mistaken presumption. I gave the link and the verification of authenticity of these renders, and so now I was hoping you might try to convince the others that these renders are completely authentic and official. It is the plain and simple truth. You can ask BioWare if you want in regards to Troodon80. You know where to contact me, so what say you? --Xamikaze330 (talk/contribs)


 * I appreciate your offer and I'll take your word for it that the images are genuine, but I'm afraid we simply have no use for renders. We only accept screenshots, in-game icons, and occasionally concept art in our articles, not renders. Also, some of these renders (such as those of EDI) appear to have slightly different colorations than seen in the games, which reduces their usability. You're welcome to upload some for display on your personal user page or user blogs (note that users are allowed to have up to 10 personal images), but if they were added to regular articles, they would likely be removed. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:43, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh. I see. As much as I hate to admit it, you do have a point. But not all of them are as bad you might think they are. It's just that I think the wiki is missing out on a chance, an opportunity, to become more than it is now. Oh well. Thank you for answering my query. --Xamikaze330 (talk/contribs) 21:54, October 14, 2012 (UTC)Xamikaze330

how to make sandboxes
How do you make sandbox pages?--TW6464 (talk) 23:35, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Create a page with the exact title "User:TW6464/Sandbox". -- Commdor (Talk) 23:43, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you.--TW6464 (talk) 23:47, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

how to delete photos
How do I do this?--TW6464 (talk) 12:47, October 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Only admins can delete pages and files. Tell me which images you want deleted and I'll take care of the rest. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:47, October 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * okay these are the ones I want deleted. Thank you very much

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Yahg_Reaper.jpg http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Reaper_Varren.jpg http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Reaper_Hybrid_Elcor-Volus.jpg http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Reaper_Pyjack.jpg http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Reaper_Maw.jpg Thanks!--TW6464 (talk) 17:31, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Lancer1289 (talk) 17:35, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * thanks Lancer!--TW6464 (talk) 17:39, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Is it alright if you delete the other photos I have here?--TW6464 (talk) 00:28, October 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Which ones? If you can provide the links, I'll delete them. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:04, October 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright here they are:

Also, could you delete the sandbox page I made? I doubt I'm gonna use that.--TW6464 (talk) 01:09, October 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Hybrid_Salarian-Asari_Reaper.jpg
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Elcor_Reaper.jpg
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Quarian_Reaper.jpg
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Volus_Reaper.jpg
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Krogan_Reaper.jpg
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Reaper_Salarian.jpg
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Reaper_Hanar.jpg
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Reaper_Drell.jpg
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Reaper_Hybrid_Drell_Hanar.jpg


 * Done. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:31, October 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * thank you, I really appreciate it!--TW6464 (talk) 01:33, October 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * could you delete this photo:

--TW6464 (talk) 18:16, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Brian_Walsh.jpg

Starships List
Hey, I've made some changes to the list and wanted to make sure they were okay before I went any further. For two starships (the Rosalie and the Estevanico), I added links to the missions surrounding those ships as they didn't have their own article. For another ship, the Azades, I changed the source link from the general Cerberus Daily News article to the specific CBN article mentioning that ship (though I have thought it may be better to link the ship's name to said article instead). Are those okay? Thanks. TheUnknown285 (talk) 19:02, October 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've added some more links. I linked the ship names to specific CDN articles, but two of the CDN-mentioned ships (the Nalotir and SSV Budapest) already have links to the specific reports in the Notes section. Ships that are mentioned or appear during specific missions should only be linked to those mission pages if they provide additional details about the ships (for example, MSV Monarch links to Despoina: Leviathan because that page includes several datapad entries that describe the Monarch's background). -- Commdor (Talk) 19:20, October 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * So, for ships mentioned in only War Assets, would it be okay to link to the war asset? Also, what about the ships that Shepard mentions were destroyed during the Battle of the Citadel.  They're mentioned in the article, but at least for one (the Madrid), it says nothing about its possible destruction.  Something like, "If the Council is saved, the [insert ship name] is destroyed."  Thanks again.  TheUnknown285 (talk) 20:08, October 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, those ships should link to their War Asset if they don't already. As for the Battle of the Citadel starships, those descriptions were taken from the Alliance Navy article, and I don't want to have too much differentiation between it and the List. Furthermore, the format being used was put in place by our bureaucrat, so I'd prefer to stick to it in the case of these eight ships. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:34, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

An Idea: Maps of Multiplayer Firebases
Despite having played each multiplayer map many times, some of the zone descriptions currently in the article come off as unclear. That's probably no fault of the editors who wrote those parts, it's more of the limitations of writing describing something with no visual aid. I would imagine it would be even tougher to follow what's being said for someone with little or no experience on those maps. I've been trying to add mentions of ammo boxes to such articles, but it becomes difficult to do so when I'm not always sure where one zone begins and another ends and find it difficult to describe where things are in relation to one another as "to the left of" or "in front of" depends on the point of view of the player.

So, I was thinking it might be helpful to include maps in the firebase articles. We do something like this already for the Normandy Crash Site (assignment) article. Such maps could include insertion and extraction points, enemy spawn points, ammo box locations, ladders and ramps, and zones within the map. It's far easier to show someone where things are in relation to one another than to tell them. Sorry to bother you again, by the way. TheUnknown285 (talk) 20:30, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey there. I'm currently leading the Multiplayer Clean-up project. I've been trying to plan this out for a while, so if you have anything to add, come on my our page and drop a line there. --Mr. Mittens (talk) 20:34, October 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * (Edit Conflict) If you can produce decent maps, then I don't see why this couldn't be proposed as a project. If you can access the Prima Games official guide, I suggest using the maps found there as examples when making your own (note the guide only shows the first six maps). -- Commdor (Talk) 20:38, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Unique enemy abilities belonging on character templates?
Lancer and I have recently come into a disagreement regarding whether or not unique actions that enemies can preform (executing downed opponents, Phantom's instant kill power) should be put under the "abilities" sections of their templates. H claims that the wiki has always been under the rule that if Shepard cannot preform the ability, it's not worth mentioning. My opinion is that if Shepard cannot preform the ability, it makes it even more important to document. In addition, I have never been made aware of this policy, and I don't believe that the rest of the community is either. We've been adding special enemy powers since the release of the game. In fact, it wasn't until today that I've seen anyone remove this information. There have been enemy-specific abilities listed on enemy templates as far back as Mass Effect 2.

My question to you is, does this "no unique enemy abilities" policy exist, and if so, why has it not been enforced for over seven months? If having enemy powers listed has become the norm, doesn't that mean the wiki has come to some kind of consensus regarding keeping them? Thanks in advance, I'd like a fresh pair of eyes on this. --Mr. Mittens (talk) 22:39, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for putting words into my mouth, misquoting me, misrepresenting me, and insulting me in the process with your blatant disregard for the truth. You have twisted this situation to serve you, despite the fact that actual facts do not support you. I will now present what I really said, and not some lies someone came up with to suit their own needs.
 * I NEVER said, which I reiterated on my talk page, which you clearly overlooked/ignored for whatever reason, that we were not under the "if Shepard cannot preform the ability, it's not worth mentioning" policy. That is so demonstrability false that it is not even funny. What I stated was that execute is not an ability and therefore should not be mentioned. If you had bothered to take notice, you would have seen that I'm not opposing the Phantom's or the Banshee's impale abilities, or the Brute's post mortem attack, or the Atlas' or Prime's post mortem explosions. It is execute that is the problem because it isn't an ability. It doesn't get mentioned because of that fact.
 * Next time, get your facts right first, and do not ever misquote me again. Lancer1289 (talk) 22:47, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Please explain to me why the Phantom's Impale ability can stay, but the Execution ability shared by enemies of each faction cannot. --Mr. Mittens (talk) 22:56, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * So that would be a not to you saying anything about you blatantly lying to two people about what I said? Misquoting and misrepresenting my position on this issue? And misrepresenting the issue entirely?
 * The reason is quite simple, those abilities are relativity unique to those characters, and each has a different type of animation, and serve a different role in the game. The fact that something can curb-stomp you is not an ability. Anyone can go and curb-stomp something. Enemies cannot grab you, and every player can, so do we list grab as an ability in templates? No. We make a mention of it in the Combat (ME3) article.
 * And don't start comparing anything else to this issue because it is unique and isn't an ability while there are several other things that are shared across enemies that is. Frag Grenades for instance. Execute is not an ability. Lancer1289 (talk) 23:04, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * You're mistaken. Combat Engineers, Husks, Banshees, Praetorians, Abominations, Nemeses, Phantoms, Ravagers, Geth Primes, Geth Rocket Troopers, Geth Bombers, and Geth Hunters do not have this ability. That is why it is important to document which enemies can execute players and which cannot. --Mr. Mittens (talk) 23:10, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Still nothing about presenting false information then? Well I guess I should not expect anything at this point on that issue.
 * And you have just made my point, this thing is not unique to a specific enemy. Therefore it is not a note and it is not an ability. Lancer1289 (talk) 23:42, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your line of thinking. You said that "Anyone can go and curb-stomp something". That was your justification for why it wasn't an ability. As I stated above, that's just not true. If only certain enemies have that ability, then it is important to distinguish which ones have it. This is the same rationale that we use for other abilities. Just because it is an ability shared by a large number of enemies does not mean that it should be considered worth noting. Having that information on the page could literally mean life or death for people searching for multiplayer tactical information. It is dishonest to intentionally leave information like this off of the pages. --Mr. Mittens (talk) 23:52, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

At this point, I would like to apologize to Commdor. I came here to get a new opinion on this matter, but it seems I've not been afforded that opportunity. We clearly cannot come to a consensus on this issue, and that is why I'd like others to weigh in on this. It was not my intention that this become what it has. --Mr. Mittens (talk) 23:52, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

I'm just going to skip over all of the other comments here and address the original topic: I wouldn't classify executions as an ability either. Originally I was on the fence, but I put the question to one of my roommates (who also plays ME3), and he was pretty vocal that executions shouldn't be lumped in with other abilities, which he likened to actual powers. After some consideration, I agreed. I think it's important to note which enemies can execute you, but in the Capabilities sections of enemy articles, rather than the infobox. So that's my two cents. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:02, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, so the information should be documented on the page in some way. Thank you. Should I begin to revert Lancer's edits, or will you take care of it? --Mr. Mittens (talk) 00:04, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Since this is a dispute between you and Lancer, Lancer still has to assent to this. I'll side with you, but if Lancer opposes this measure, then us taking any action would be edit warring. If Lancer's fine with it, then you can go ahead and re-add the info to the Capabilities sections; if he still disagrees then you'll have to start a public discussion somewhere and see if the community backs you. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:37, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Understood. Hopefully we can put this trivial dispute behind us and get back to focusing on something tangible. --Mr. Mittens (talk) 00:39, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Power pages formatting discussion
Commdor, would you please check out the discussion on this user's talk page and give your opinion? Lancer has reverted NelNinja's edits on the Barrier and Recon Mine power pages. I believe NelNinja's edits to be in the right, but I don't want to start an edit war. Trandra (talk) 16:11, October 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Looking at the original proposal for how to organize ME3 powers and set up the MoS format, I agree with your interpretation. The MoS doesn't call for all of the power stats to listed under each power rank. It would appear that somehow this info got added to the pages, and it was never corrected. That said, I'm not sure I see a downside to listing the complete stats, and I know that info has helped me before. The MoS page would definitely have to be updated in order for it to stay, though. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:55, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * And I completely disagree here. When reading over the MoS again, and the way it is worded, specifically "note effects with bullet points * below here". By effects, that was supposed to be interpreted as listing all effects of the power. All stats, differences, and everything else. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:37, October 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Since that isn't obvious to several of us, though, perhaps the MoS should be clarified or a different example power used to show that all possible stats should be noted at each rank, so that's there's no doubt whatsoever about its meaning. I'd prefer that you do it since the power pages aren't really my specialty, but I can attempt it if you're occupied. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:55, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah...I've been thinking that Fitness probably wasn't a good idea. Sometimes you just need it thrown in your face at times. Well live and learn I guess. I'll replace it with something that has more stats to show what we mean and change the wording around. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:59, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Fitness is fine. Since there are two effects, there should be two bullet points. This is what the Fitness pages currently look like:

Melee Damage

Increase melee damage bonus by 30%.
 * Melee Damage Bonus: 65%

Durability

Increase Health and shield bonuses by 15%.
 * Health & Shield Bonus: 40%

This is what you, Lancer, apparently want them to look like:

Melee Damage

Increase melee damage bonus by 30%.
 * Health & Shield Bonus: 25%
 * Melee Damage Bonus: 65%

Durability

Increase Health and shield bonuses by 15%.
 * Health & Shield Bonus: 40%
 * Melee Damage Bonus: 35%

The MoS shows it the first way, and has shown it the first way since you first proposed it. That's all I was trying to say. Trandra (talk) 20:09, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well either way, the example should have been changed since the more stats, the better it would emphasize exactly what is supposed to be on the page. I switched it to Combat Drone, but if another example can be found that would be better, then I'm not saying no.
 * As to the wording, that has been changed to say "Use bullet points * to note all stats associated with the level" and I added "Use to note multiplayer differences" since that seems to have become the norm. Lancer1289 (talk) 20:21, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

The Challenges article needs to be set out more clearly. Instead of just listing all the challenges, would it be better to bullet point the ones that make up a mastery?

For example;

-- Resurgence Mastery --

Complete 9 of the Resurgence Mastery Challenges - Challenge points: 100

Earn 200000 Points Using the Geth Plasma SMG - Challenge points: 20
 * Geth Plasma SMG Use

Earn 200000 Points Using the Striker Assault Rifle - Challenge points: 20
 * Striker Assault Rifle Use

-- Rebellion Mastery --

Earn 200000 Points Using the Reegar Carbine - Challenge points: 20
 * Reegar Carbine Use

ETC ETC...

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ME3 Cut Content
Hey. A couple of weeks (months?) ago, I asked you about an article for material cut from ME3. At your suggestion, I created a sandbox for what I've found to date. I was hoping you could take a look at it and leave any comments. In particular, I was hoping to know what the policy is regarding extracted code (see the first link I have posted on the sandbox) and if we have enough material to go forward with creating an article. Thanks! TheUnknown285 (talk) 12:43, October 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think extracted code is permissible, I'm pretty sure a bunch is used in the ME2 cut content page. Anyway, I skimmed through what you've found. The different dialogue instances you listed generally appear acceptable, but the Shepard/Ashley death conversation would require a better source than just an image. Also, using some of the Omega-related info might be dicey, since if any of it appears in the upcoming DLC pack, it would no longer qualify as true cut content. I need more time to go through the rest (especially that first link), but depending on how much is viable, I may be able to spin it into a draft for an ME3 cut content page by the end of the week or so. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:07, October 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * There is actually quite a bit in that first link (there's also some ME stuff in there). Among other things, it corroborates the Ashley death conversation.  It also indicates that Aria was supposed to be romanceable, Javik was supposed to be the Catalyst, Shepard was going to be blamed for Cerberus slaughtering civilians on Eden Prime, Thane was supposed to assassinate Udina, the asari Councilor was supposed to be injured in the Cerberus attack on the Citadel, and the Pariah was supposed to appear during the Sanctuary mission.  Really interesting stuff.  TheUnknown285 (talk) 00:52, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I went ahead and created another sandbox for deleted/altered material from the first game as well. Not much here, but I know there is more out there I haven't gotten to. TheUnknown285 (talk) 18:09, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

how much clear of a shot for blasto
would highres screencaps of the giant TV screens on illium and/or citadel suffice

or texture/video rippage of the imagery required (ME2 blasto ads are moving and it'll probably take me some time to process them into a usable form)

i'd like to ask how much effort will i (or any other prospective capper) have to sink in on this; it's nearing dawn in my timezone and i can probably get the former up asap before i sleep - the latter, well, it may have to wait. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 19:32, October 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * The highest possible quality would be preferable. At the very least, the images shouldn't be pixelated, and any text should be legible. But it's not a priority, if you need to sleep then I'd hate to keep you up. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:06, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

good news, bad news, choices.
 * 1) i can't find (much less extract) the game assets for the ME2 blasto ads as of yet (technical reasons) but i do have the usual high-res screencaps of the giant illium TV screens depicting him as per my usual quality control standards. downside of the giant TV screens is of course the giant scanlines somewhat distorting the screens.
 * 2) the ME3 blasto texture we see on the presidium apartments is just an upscaled 256x256 picture. i can upload either that original file (png-converted) or i can cap an absurdres version (1080p up) ingame - complete with surrounding walls and everything. the tradeoff is of course viewing the poster as a game asset or viewing the poster as it's meant to be seen ingame.

i normally wouldn't ask for opinions on the pics but blasto = serious business so i thought ingame pics of him warrants getting some feedback. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 16:30, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think the screenshots might be the way to go, rather than the actual assets. Basto is a fictional film hero within the ME universe, so exhibiting the ads as they appear in the games would be a good visual cue. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:43, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

that certainly saves me time and effort from figuring the ME2 part out. delivered the goods.

last question though: is blasto a guy due to technically "appearing" in more than one media or not. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 18:04, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, he could be considered a recurring character. I've added the category. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:10, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Vandal.
This guy inserted nonsense into the Saber ME3 MP page.--Legionwrex (talk) 16:34, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Resolved. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:43, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Apologies
Sorry I haven't been on until now really, but I've been running, and am still running a GoW 3 tournament for my club. We are going well but I'll try to be on more for the rest of the day. Lancer1289 (talk) 21:30, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. It's been quiet lately. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:33, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Question.
I had an idea to re-write the language policy to make it clearer to users what the policy means (as it stands it is confusing), but Spart informed me that you where already working on something like this. My question is are you still working on this, or would you mind if I high-jacked the project from you?--Legionwrex (talk) 00:16, October 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I already made the change a few weeks ago, maybe you haven't noticed it. Since it was just a clarification and didn't affect how the policy is enforced, I asked Spart for permission to make the change and he assented. I think I could have done it anyway under admin's prerogative, but I asked Spart to be on the safe side. -- Commdor (Talk) 03:40, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Dang, shows what I know. Anyways, I'm glad it's cleared up. Maybe new users won't be as confused now.--Legionwrex (talk) 04:07, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Warning: cross-site drama in progress
I strongly recommend that you or one of the mods step in here before things get any more heated.

Also, I apologize for pretty much abandoning Project Councilor - I've been busy and haven't been feeling well, and it takes a lot of concentration to make meaningful edits here. I should get back to it this weekend, though.

--Zxjkl (talk) 05:58, October 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Taken care of. And that's fine, I haven't been doing much with the Project either. We'll get it done one of these days. -- Commdor (Talk) 13:17, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Curses, Commdor! You deleted the comments before I could view the exchange.--Legionwrex (talk) 14:39, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Vandal.
Heads up, this guy just vandalized the Thessia page. These guys just don't give up.--Legionwrex (talk) 03:35, October 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * It was taken care of already. Lancer1289 (talk) 03:37, October 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * When I started the message, it wasn't. Regardless, it is done now.--Legionwrex (talk) 03:41, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Help.
I am ready to start implementing the new character template, and Lancer said the first thing I should do it is add it to the Character Template article, so how would I do that? Would I just delete everything on the page and add the new version? Or would it be better to let someone who understands how these things work do it *hint*hint*?--Legionwrex (talk) 18:46, October 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I updated the template with the new version. The thing to do now is to update the articles with it. Follow my example on Garrus Vakarian and add the new parameters (don't worry about the categories, they appear to be removed automatically upon updating the infobox within each page). Also, make sure any VA info is taken out of the intro paragraphs and fitted into the infobox. I may do a few more myself if I have the time. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:32, October 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. I will inform the other members of project chronicle and we will get on it.--Legionwrex (talk) 19:44, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Help with new character templates
Are we allowed to implement the new templates for other characters? If so, how do you determine the 'class' tab for non-combatants? Sqarkplugz (talk)


 * I'd ask Lancer, since he's the one who set up the whole Project Concentrated Effort collaboration that called for the character template upgrade. If we do have to add the template to all character articles, then I'd fill in their class field with something describing their profession, rank, or title (for instance, Rana Thanoptis would be an "Asari Scientist", Opold would be a "Hanar Merchant", Bel Anoleis would be "Port Hanshan Administrator", Greta Reynolds would be "Zhu's Hope Colonist", Nirali Bhatia would be "Alliance Marine", and so on). If you can't think of anything for some characters, just let me know. I'll also be doing a few character articles if Lancer gives the go-ahead. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:23, October 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * The reason I believe Lancer wants this done is because he specifically says to make a new character template that works with all characters.--Legionwrex (talk) 23:26, October 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well let's get Lancer to confirm that before we forge ahead. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:29, October 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I'll ask him.--Legionwrex (talk) 23:31, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

3-second questions

 * 1) should the zhu's hope colonists have adversaryboxes instead? technically we can still kill them
 * 2) should hock have an adversarybox instead too? granted, it's his -gunship- we're fighting but still.
 * 3) also, david archer. as the "hybrid vi" with armor and health we can damage in overlord T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 04:35, October 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Any Zhu's Hope colonist that Shepard can kill as an enemy should have an enemy box instead of a character box. I guess the same with Donovan Hock, since he's a named enemy unit (even though in the form of a gunship), but I don't like it. But David Archer an indirect enemy, Shepard only shoots at "VI Connection" and "VI Core" targets during Overlord battle. -- Commdor  (Talk) 04:43, October 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * clear enough. somebody other than myself should probably handle the zhu's hope colonists again since i still don't have ME reinstalled. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 04:46, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Spoiler template/background image
Hey Commdor, how's things going around? I've been a little active over at the XCOM wiki, hence my silence around here.. in case you're wondering. I noticed the new implementation of the character infobox has caused a lot of overlapping with the spoiler templates. In fact, if I recall correctly, the spoiler templates has caused issues with some other infoboxes. Although the quick fix is to add a clr before the spoiler, it's not possible to use it in all situations. I think the spoiler template could use some technical/design update to fix this once and for all, what do you think?

On a separate note, we have not update our background since the update to the wikia layout. I happen to be working on updating the background about couple a weeks ago. It's essentially the same background with some alterations to fit the current layout. I suppose I could update it directly without needing community approval? 05:46, October 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * To the second thing, yes, but I'd like a look at it first (calling it a night now, so I won't be able to respond until tomorrow). I tried to get JakePT to update the background to conform to the recent Wikia layout update (I'm sure you've noticed the void at the top of pages now, between the Wikia bar and the actual ME Wiki article space), but he's been offline. If your image does the trick, we'll slap it on. As for the first thing, as long as any changes to the spoiler tags that you want to make are background stuff that do not affect the visual appearance of the tags, you can go ahead and update them. The moment you have to change their appearance, however, we have to take it to the Project Forum, and I'd like to avoid that so we can fix this quickly. -- Commdor (Talk) 05:52, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeap, I noticed that awful gap, hence I was working on a background update. As for the spoiler tags, the quickest fix is to remove the CSS that centralized the template, though this also means that all of the spoiler template will be left-aligned. Since template is designed to be visually centralized, it is not an ideal workaround. I'll churn out a project forum when I get some design up. 06:53, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, here's the updated background image. You will notice that there's more space for the gap above in the image than it supposedly require. The truth is, for user who isn't logged-in, the space is as much as shown in the background image due to advertisement banners, something which Wikia disappointingly fails to mention. This is also the reason why there isn't any subtle shadows by the side of the main content container. 09:30, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * In all fairness to Wikia they did in fact mention that the void would be used for ad-space for unregistered users back when the format changes were announced. But the image looks good. Upload it when you're ready. -- Commdor (Talk) 22:47, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Might have missed that mention. I was solely basing that on the photoshop template guideline that they provided. It will be uploaded right about now. 01:21, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks.
I just wanted to say, thanks for handling a lot of these templates. I feel bad I wasn't able to help that much yesterday, but I will today.--Legionwrex (talk) 14:33, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Template Help.
There's got to be a faster way to add these templates. It seems like everyone else is able to do it in 20 seconds while it's taking me a minute. Basically what I'm doing is copy and pasting, then deleting the old info and adding the new one info. Is there something I'm missing here?--Legionwrex (talk) 18:08, October 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Nope, that sounds about it. I think it's just the more you do it, the faster you get. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:11, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

I think there's a bug with the character template, none of the IMDB voice actors' links are working, showing 404 error. Could you please look into it?--SolitaryReaper (talk) 22:09, October 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Although we have another problem, it seems User:Typhoonstorm95 copied and pasted the wrong IMDB urls for several characters. Now we need to go through his edits and correct them. -- Commdor (Talk) 22:15, October 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * And that's done. -- Commdor (Talk) 22:30, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

So...we do have a lot of character articles don't we
I was going to offer to help, but right now, I really can't see where I could jump in and it seems like you hvae a good rhythm going. If this is different then let me know, otherwise, I'll watch everything else.

On another note, I'm so excited for ACIII's release tonight. Midnight launch. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:57, October 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've been doing this for two hours now (not counting last night), I could use a break. We were going alphabetically, one user per letter, but after I finished the J's I just started jumping around. Legionwrex appears to be tackling M, so you could probably start with N. FYI, this is very technically intensive; not only do you have to place the character template and fill it out, but you also have to remove any duplicated categories (usually just the Characters cat. and the cat. of whatever race the character is, the template handles those now), and move any spoiler tags so that they are either at the top of the page and above the character box, or beneath the character box (apparently for some users, if the template is parallel with the box's position, it overlaps messily). As for ACIII, I won't be getting it, but I did seriously think about it. It looks sweet, and the alt-history George Washington DLC sounds cool. I have to save my money for Halo 4, but somehow my roommate saved up enough for both games. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:03, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Uncategorised?
I thought that code fixed the issue, which pages was showing uncategorised? 04:23, October 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * On my end, with the template as it was, character articles (I checked 6) didn't have a race category displayed ( although Category:Characters was still working. Scratch that, now I don't remember if the Characters cat. was there or not). With your edits reverted, the race categories are displayed again. Maybe it's a browser issue (Firefox user), but I haven't known browser eccentricities to affect the category system. -- Commdor (Talk) 04:33, October 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's odd. When I checked, it showed the correct categories (Category:Characters Character and their respective races categories) for the characters, despite clearing my browser cache and purging the wiki page. I'm unsure if wiki cache takes a while to update. Could we leave the update in place and observe if those pages remain uncategorised after some period? 04:38, October 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, alright. I'm just wary of potentially leaving the race categories empty and the character pages uncategorized for too long (if that's what's happening). I'm about to shut down for the night, will you be around to keep an eye on it? -- Commdor (Talk) 04:42, October 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Aight, I keep an eye here. By the way, which were the pages you checked? I should test if those pages remain uncategorised from my side. 05:01, October 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oriana, Corinthus, Captain Kirrahe, Calyn, Dalatrass Linron, and Opold. FYI, the race categories are displaying now with User:Temporaryeditor78's fix (and the Stargazer issue appears resolved), but elcor characters have "Category:Elcors" instead of "Category:Elcor". Anyway, I'll leave you two to puzzle it out. -- Commdor (Talk) 05:12, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

A note
I think I'm going to have to drop out of Project Chronicler. Life's very busy lately, and I don't think I have time for two projects at once, so I'm just going to focus on the one that doesn't have 6-8 other people working on it.--Zxjkl (talk) 06:59, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Level 2 and 3 headlines
This morning I started noticing that Level 2 headlines clear the margin on either side, while Level 3 headlines do not. Compare M-3 Predator:ME3MP (Level 3 headlines) vs. Acolyte:ME3MP (Level 2 headlines). This didn't happen last night. Did something just change? Or is it just me?


 * I noticed that earlier, but it doesn't seem to be happening right now (at least in the Acolyte tab you linked to). I can only guess that it was some sort of glitch, hopefully temporary, which arose through some tinkering on Wikia's end. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:41, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

New Character Section.
As lead of Project Chronicler, I figured I would present an idea to see if you would 'OK' it. Would it be okay if we created a "Personality and Traits" section for Character pages?--Legionwrex (talk) 22:18, November 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you're talking about adding it to the MoS for character pages, then I think that would require a policy discussion. But I have to say I'm opposed to the idea. There are very few characters (mostly squadmates and major characters) who are fleshed out enough that such a section would be feasible for them without rampant conjecture (which, I might add, such a section could invite). Furthermore, that kind of info can already be found in existing sections and content, and I'd rather not arbitrarily separate it out. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:02, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * It was more or less SolitaryReaper's idea that he came up with on Chat!, I am just presenting it. My objections where the same as yours, by the way.--Legionwrex (talk) 01:05, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * True, most of the info about the personality is present in the existing sections, but we can bring it to a new "Personality" section and remove all such references from the main sections. It makes the entire character page more inviting, more complete. EDI's page is quite complete in that sense. People can easily check the personality of a character without having to sift through hundreds of lines of info in the main sections. As for the fact that there are very few important characters who are fleshed out enough, maybe we can implement this idea just for them, no harm in that right? And rampant conjecture can be kept to a minimum through proper rules and regulations.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 8:27, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Uh, a reply please, sir?--SolitaryReaper (talk) 5:26, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

I would still oppose the measure. "Completeness" of an article boils down to opinion, and in my opinion I think the articles are fine as is. All that requiring a Personality section would do is make us more similar to other wikis, like Wookieepedia. That in itself is not a bad thing (we did just borrow a few ideas from Wookieepedia for our updated character template, and I would say we're definitely better off for it), but it's also not necessary, and I see no tangible benefit at this time. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:15, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would have to agree with the above statement. I cannot see the benefits of this considering all of the conjecture that would be in there. We don't permit it as it is, and this would set a double standard. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:31, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK! OK! Forget I ever mentioned it. No point arguing any more now that 2 admins are against the idea.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 18:38, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Biotics Page
I was editing the biotics page to include the Batarian Brawler Vanguard to the lists of who can use what. After I completed this I looked through the rest of the page and noticed at the bottom a section labeled "Alien Biotics". At the very end it states:

"To date, there has been no mention of the biotic abilities of the hanar, elcor, raloi, volus, vorcha, or yahg or what role (if any) biotics play in their respective societies."

Now this is where I was curious as how to handle this (if at all). The Multiplayer portion of the game has proven Volus and Vorcha of having biotics. The vorcha sentinel has cluster grenades. The volus have an adept & vanguard class as well as Pitne For from samaras mission in ME2s, well known for his "biotic god" statement. Just a minor thing but I wanted to get your advice before I did anything. Nightmare137 (talk) 09:02, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Application for a Chat Moderator Position
As the heading says, I want to apply for a chat mod position. Would you consider my request? I look forward to a reply.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 18:13, November 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll take your request up with the other admins. Expect an answer by next week or so. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:25, November 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * A reply please, sir?--SolitaryReaper (talk) 17:38, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Well, this is embarrassing, but your request completely slipped my mind. I've just informed the other admins about it, though, so the evaluation process is definitely officially underway now. As soon as everyone responds (again, allow a week), I'll inform you of the results. My apologies for the delay. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:18, November 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Its okay, sir and thank you for a reply.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 18:21, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

omega DLC
Thanks for the help, I didn't know how to edit the references correctly--TW6464 (talk) 18:39, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, here's something else: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/9544143/2#14844890. Also, thank you for helping me out on the Valkryie and Chakram Luncher pages--TW6464 (talk) 20:32, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the biotic protector and flare pages, forgot I needed to add a source.--TW6464 (talk) 20:32, November 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. I'd wait to start adding info about the powers until we know what they do and what their ranks are, though. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:25, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright then, I'll wait--TW6464 (talk) 20:32, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Quick question!
Would belittling someone be considered abuse? Nightmare137 (talk) 20:55, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd say so, but it ultimately depends on the context. Are you accusing another user of harassing you? -- Commdor (Talk) 21:44, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Not completely accusing someone of harassment but I was a little miffed by how I was treated. The person in question is actually another admin, Lancer 1289, who was belittling me in a little topic I made on his talk page. I was just trying to explain my reasoning for not listing the weapon mods on the Omega DLC page, that reason being I had used the Leviathan DLC article as a baseline example for how to handle such a situation. He didn't seem to understand how a baseline example works; I wasn't 100% certain if I should of listed the mods or not or stuck to the design that I had seen before since it had remained there for months now post-release of the content.

I probably should of tried to find something in the MoS format now that I think about it but at the time I just used what was familiar. Ultimately I did end up listing the weapon mods in question as per his request but in the process of our little discussion he did make some unnecessary comment and seemed to imply I was inept. I've looked through his contributions pages notes and noticed he seems to do this to others as well.

Examples:

"Really? Just Really? You see every other one in alpha order so is it so hard to ask that you do the same? Apparently so"

"So it is true after all, basic reading skills have escaped the vast majority of the population today"

This is just uncalled for and an uncivilized way to treat the community even if they are wrong on a topic. Nightmare137 (talk) 22:29, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright. I'll have a word with Lancer about this. -- Commdor (Talk) 02:58, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Just for the future, do tags go on the main page? I found it a little confusing to navigate the help pages to flag certain articles for various things. Lksdjf (talk) 00:19, November 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, they go on the content page, not the talk page, but the proposer still has to open up a talk page discussion too. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:23, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

image limit
random inspection by the image police. over the limit or permissible? T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 12:28, November 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Over the limit. I've notified the user. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:20, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Main Page
There's a spelling mistake on the main page.

"forced to look on as the commit atrocity" Sqarkplugz (talk)


 * Fixed. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:48, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Capitalization
I'm rather curious why it is grammatically justified to spell 'male' or 'female' with a capital letter at the start, when it is not a name, title, adjective nor is it placed at the start of a sentence. -- 20:59, November 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Why must it be grammatically justified? I find it to be aesthetically preferable to capitalize words in infoboxes, and as far as I am aware, conventional grammar rules do not necessarily apply to stand-alone words that are not in use in a clause or sentence. As such, I see no reason to make these words lowercase. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:34, November 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Precisely; when an ordinary word is not in a sentence of clause, why bother with capitalization at all? So this is just a personal preference, instead of my edit being "needless" for any particular rule or policy. -- 21:45, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

garden world criteria?

 * as long as the planet can support sapient life whatever its biochemistry it's automatically a "garden" world? even if its inhabitants are normally experiencing extremes far off their species comfort zone (e.g. arid [namakli, rakhana, rannoch], hot [heshtok], too cold [noveria], too wet, too stormy [hagalaz], just generally extreme [utukku, suen], too many predators [tuchanka], aggressive plants [pragia], incompatible native life [eletania, aeia], too much ocean [despoina], planet-wide cesspit [korlus] etc)? tl;dr: those outside the normal "goldilocks" parameters for a habitable planet?
 * post-garden worlds are also garden worlds? (ilos and the other planets by earlier civs)

please clarify T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 03:33, November 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * The first point is true given info from the Codex and planet descriptions. If a planet is described as "habitable", "hospitable", or a "garden world", even if it is noted to only meet those conditions by a very slim margin or only for certain races, then it's a garden world. With point two, it varies widely. Feros is technically a post-garden world (though not explicitly described as such), but it still has a viable enough ecosphere that it's being actively colonized. Eingana, despite being extremely dangerous as a colonization prospect, also fits the bill. In contrast, I wouldn't call Ilos a garden world because it's mentioned in its description/Codex entry that the biosphere has died off, and whatever killed the biosphere would presumably not be friendly to colonists. Same with places like Helyme and Carcosa. Post-garden worlds really need to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, and if in doubt, I'd refrain from adding the category. -- Commdor (Talk) 03:45, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

maybe we should change the category to "habitable worlds" instead of "garden worlds" since the latter's a bit of a misnomer?

extra work, lulz. and i'm kidding. thanks for the clarification. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 03:58, November 18, 2012 (UTC)