User talk:SpartHawg948/archive3

Firewalker Mixup
When I was fast playing through the new pack, I noticed that two missions Project Firewalker: Survey Sites Located and Project Firewalker: Volcano Station are called something different on the galaxy map. Annoying to say the least. Unfortunatly a user created the Project Firewalker: Artifact Collection article. I added the mixup to the main articles, and I can tell that the user ment well and how easily someone can get confused. We are going to need redirects for the two affected missions. I added a delete tag to the duplicate article, artifact collection, and the user transfered all the data over. Just though I should let you know. Lancer1289 21:24, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Map Project Firewalker: Prothean Site, journal Project Firewalker: Prothean Ruins. Man this is really annoying. However now wer have two extra articles that we don't need. Added delete tags, then removed some, then added some more after rechecking the map. Why can't be easy? Lancer1289 22:09, March 23, 2010 (UTC) this one is my bad the journal entry changes.
 * Well we still have two bad ones, Project Firewalker: Prothean Ruins and Project Firewalker: Artifact Collection. THIS is really annoying. Lancer1289


 * I located another point of confusion. One of the planets is either spelled Seleas (on the system map) or Saleas (in the description). As a result of this confusion, there are two articles for this one planet.24.4.110.125 22:17, March 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Great something else, I really hoping for an update at this point. Lancer1289 22:18, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

217.23.233.103 vandalizing
Done it repeatedly on Urdnot Wrex, editing a lot, haven't checked full history. ShadowRanger 12:28, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just checked: full history is nothing but vandalism, going mere minutes between vandalism edits. Needs to be blocked ASAP. ShadowRanger 12:32, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

He seems to have stopped. Fortunately I was at the right place at the right time to revert all his earlier vandalism. He even vandalized my user page. He needs an indefinite ban. 14:07, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok I spoke too soon. Looks like he was back in action just after I mentioned it. Anyway, the other admin DRY had banned him but I believe he deserves a much longer ban. Teugene 15:58, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * First time IP offenders, no matter how egregious, aren't usually blocked long term. Too many people are on dynamic IPs that change daily or weekly, or just completely randomly (every time their router is turned off or loses power). Blocks are extended on each subsequent violation, so static IPs with persistent vandals rarely have an opportunity to vandalize, but a long term block on a first time offender risks blocking a random person if the IP is subsequently reassigned. ShadowRanger 17:40, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * If DRY has already banned the offender, I'll respect his decision, as I don't relish the thought of going around overruling other admins. Once the block is up though, if I see any more vandalism from this guy, I'm going to kick it up several notches. I'm thinking a year should suffice... SpartHawg948 20:28, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * The IP originates from a university in UK, so most likely it's a static IP and a student using it there. It's unfortunate that being a university student, one would think he/she would be a more civilized. Oh well, I guess there will always be rotten apples out there. Teugene 04:27, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I bet it's a teenager. I hate teenagers! :P SpartHawg948 04:33, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait till you have your own kids.. not that I have any kids on my own to tell horror stories yet! Teugene
 * Indeed! I just like blaming teenagers for all of society's ills. Lousy teenagers, with their loud music and their Dan Fogelberg, their Zima, hula hoops and Pac-Man video games! :P SpartHawg948 05:07, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Lol, great BASEketball quote.Funny movie, just watched it the other night. :) Lord Saren101 23:20, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed! I love that line! SpartHawg948 00:42, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

About your status as an asshole
It's only name calling if it isn't true. And name calling means you lost? Get the fuck over it. And are we two here? If you can't stand up to a single swear, you need to grow up some, you're obviously not ready for the internet. CAW4 17:36, March 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Apparently at least some of us are two here. The only people I know who habitually have to resort to name-calling to make a point are children. Hope you've had fun, because while I tried to give you a chance to reform, but you appear to still want to be belligerent. SpartHawg948 19:18, March 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * You do know that SpartHawg948 is an admin. He has made good decisions in the past and did not deserve what you called him. Not to mention you called him that in the edit summery. If you have to resort to name calling then you did lose because name calling is desperate. He was giving his opinion, and if you can't tolerate it then you are not ready for the internet. SpartHawg has giving is opinion that is all and you do not get to call him that becuase he disagreed with you. Lancer1289 17:53, March 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I know he is an admin, but I still stand by what I say. I'm not calling him an ass for disagreeing with me, but they way he's going about it (notably with sarcasm and presumptions of idiocy) makes him an asshole. And it was one simple sentence at the beginning of an 18 line post, based off of fact as well as other words in the game that uggest the developers' preference for basing their words off of Latin origins. Basing an argument off of name calling (or focusing off one sentence that uses a swear) would be desperate. CAW4 18:07, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * On a side note, while I will freely admit that I do employ sarcasm frequently (being a rather jovial individual with a somewhat wry sense of humor, I enjoy "speaking" [though this isn't really speaking, is it?] in jest and using sarcasm whenever possible) when did I ever make "presumptions of idiocy" on your part? I don't think you are an idiot, nor would I ever feel the need to resort to petty name-calling (there are so many more clever and entertaining possibilities to be found within this marvel we call the English language that resorting to something as base as name-calling and insults seems... well, kind of sad). I simply felt you were mistaken on this particular issue. SpartHawg948 10:20, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Ok you know what someone is going to get banned because of this, let me summarize what this guy is saying sparthawg because he isnt doing it in the kindest way, you need to lighten up a little bro. See take a moral lesson from mass effect, if someone is acting in a way you disagree with being a dickweed back at them isnt going to help, you cant control how other people will act but you can control how you act in the presence of these people ralok 18:25, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Additionally, why would I need to lighten up? I'm not the one calling other people assholes and freaking out because I think other people are out to get me by changing my edits, when two seconds worth of reading would show that the opposite is actually the case. I was behaving civilly. You say I need to lighten up, and that I am apparently "being a dickweed", so put your money where your mouth is and show me how I was being a dickweed to CAW4 and am in need of lightening up. SpartHawg948 10:20, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe Ralok was actually referring to CAW4, but I may have understood it wrongly too. *roll eyes* Teugene 10:47, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I'm so confused! I know he told me to lighten up when he said "let me summarize what this guy is saying sparthawg because he isnt doing it in the kindest way, you need to lighten up a little bro." and pretty sure that the latter half of "if someone is acting in a way you disagree with being a dickweed back at them isnt going to help,", but I could be mistaken. Even so, I see no need for me to "lighten up", and I certianly haven't behaved like "a dickweed". This is getting a bit confusing though. SpartHawg948 19:51, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

I have red and reread the long conversation at this point and you are the one who can't seem to listen to reason. All I read was Spart responding in a polite manor, stating facts, granted with a little sarcasm, but who isn't justified to that now and again. This site's trivia policy is valid becuase if we didn't have one, the trivia sections would be as long as some of the articles they are about. Even Wikipedia and every other wiki I have seen draws the line at some point. You do need to relax and think about what you said. Spart was responding in as nice a way possible, givin the circumstances, and you just went off the deep end. No one deserves to be called that for disagreeing with you, or for your interperating of text comments. This is why I hate texting, there are hundreds of ways of interperating it, and based off your responses, and your mood, givin what you put in your statements, you interperated it as sarcastic remarks every other word. Again text comments have many ways of interperating it and as the old saying goes "To eachs own". Lancer1289 18:36, March 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * YA that is why i usually go out of my way to explain my emotions nowadays, or at least expllain why what i am posting doesnt make much sense (i am either in a hurry or havent slept in twenty hours) ralok 18:46, March 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed, when readig text we almost have to be like the elcor and explain what our emotions are and it should be interperated. Again I hate texting for this reason. Maybe that is a reason for their speech, the modern world of texting. Worth exploring first however. Lancer1289 18:57, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Kanji Issue
My apologies for my assumption about what your opinion was. I certainly didn't join the ME wiki to start fights. Though, I would appreciate it if, in the future, when you feel the need to chide or correct me, please do so over my own talk page rather than that of another user. Thank you. Bakageta-Koto 21:25, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I was just responding to the unfounded assumptions on the same page they were presented on. I felt the need, not so much to correct you, as to show both you and the other user, who may have gotten the wrong impression about me based on your statement, that your depiction of my feelings on the issue wasn't accurate. It wasn't meant to embarrass you, but to clear things up, and they needed to be made clear not just to you, but also to the other user whose page your comment was on. SpartHawg948 22:27, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

GO Airforce!!! ( Hanar own ) 13:42 March 27, 2010
 * HOO-RAH AIR FORCE!!! :) SpartHawg948 19:21, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Collector Technology
Well, to clarify your confusion, I'll paraphrase what the book says specifically on the topic of what the Collectors trade in exchange for their requested subjects. It is specifically stated the Collectors trade technology, the examples given (from the book) are advanced targeting mods for weapons or a ship with a new mass effect drive configuration. The sale of this technology is how the recipients obtain their financial compensation. At no point does it say the Collectors directly trade in monetary items, such as jewels or credits. Therefore, the edit I keep making is accurate, the Collectors trade in technology, nothing else.

Tilarta 06:47, March 29, 2010 (UTC) Tilarta


 * Fair enough. I'm willing to admit I may have been mistaken. (I haven't been able to verify yet b/c my copy of Ascension is... somewhere... in a box. Gotta love moving. First the packing, then the unpacking... :{ ) So, fair enough! As an aside though, are all those spaces in the post really necessary? I'm trying to keep this page from getting too long, and I've already got one archive already about twice as long as this. Having people post 8 lines of text but using 23 lines b/c of empty space doesn't help. SpartHawg948 10:27, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that, there was some wierd glitch with the system, probably relating to my browser. I press return for a new line and it inserts an extra line for no reason. Tilarta 15:52, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. I blame the internet, and therefor, Al Gore. SpartHawg948 20:39, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

hey
thx for the help with the reference in thane =) i have been lurking around since the early begginings but i still cant put links correctly :P
 * Not a problem! Quick tip for wikipedia links- you were on the right track, but when you set them up as internal links, you just need to put wikipedia:(article name)|(whatever you want to show up). No need to do the whole http://www.whatever. SpartHawg948 19:56, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Email
Can I get an email address for you or some other way to private-message you please? Drop me a note at Jacob (at) Jakestation (dot) com please. Want to call your attention to something, privately. JakeARoonie 01:01, April 2, 2010 (UTC) There should be a little link saying "email this user" right under the nav bar on the upper left portion of the page. In fact, I'm looking at it right now. If, for some reason, this isn't showing up (which has been known to happen) I will gladly divulge my email address. SpartHawg948 01:03, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nopers, I see "Edit This Page," "Leave Message," "History," "Move," and "Watch." Below that, "User:SpartHawg948/archive1" and that's it. BTW, I recently re-watched the ol' Halo 3 trailer with Cortana saying "This is the way the world ends," and my mind flashed to the Reapers...hehe...if it wasn't such a ripoff, how appropriate! I actually just finished a little mockup ME3 wallpaper with the Reapers heading toward the Milky Way, an ME3 logo and "Finish The Fight" at the top. :P Anyway, yeah, email plizz. JakeARoonie 02:34, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, on the left-hand side of the page... under the search box and the nav bar. There's a little black box with links for "Recent Changes", "Help", "Contributions", "Random page", "E-mail this user", and maybe one more... I'm not sure as my little black box also contains some admins-only functions. SpartHawg948 02:37, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Question
What did you edit to make it so that the "answers" box on the side points to the Mass Effect Answers wiki? Darkman 4 08:07, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * No idea. I can't claim credit for that one. SpartHawg948 17:55, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Planet's missions
Hi there! May I bring to your attention to discuss about a cleanup I'm attempting to do here? Thanks! - Teugene 16:42, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * You most certianly may not! :P
 * Ok, now that that's taken care of... looked over your proposal, and you have no complaints from me. My only concern was that the Shepard/mission-type information would still be linked to, and the Tuchanka article does a nice job of that! SpartHawg948 17:54, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I will make edits in sandboxes first so the mock-ups can be reviewed and commented on before implementing anything major :D Teugene 03:49, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good! SpartHawg948 03:52, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

SR-2 Crew Subsection
After another edit to the Crew Subsection of the SR-2 article, it again added a lot of space. The user said that they only added a bit of information and I have no grounds at this time to think anything different, but I think that this subsection has a bug in it that adds the extra space. I undid the edit then readded the information the other user provided. Lancer1289 14:49, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I tested it and it didn't do it for me, but again I have no reason to doubt the other user. Just though I'd mention that I tested it. Lancer1289 15:04, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Thanks for taking care of that! SpartHawg948 17:25, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Sandbox Pages
Just a quick question, when editing a sandbox page on another user's profile, is it OK to use the discussion page attached to that one to leave suggestions? It is basically a talk page right? Currently Teugene and myself are working together on reducing the ME planet articles and linking them to the walkthoughs. Teugene is working on the planets while I am working on the walkthroughs. If I leave a message on a sandbox discussion page is isn't vandalism right? Lancer1289 18:45, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * You are correct. Commenting on the talk page for a sandbox page is A-OK. SpartHawg948 19:49, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Namespace alias
I had the good folks at Wikia add an alias for our project namespace, which means that you can use "MEW" instead of "Mass Effect Wiki" in links if you like. I've nailed in MEW:MOS as a first example, since I typed the long form so frequently. --DRY 21:01, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

MEW:MOS
I like the way MEW:MOS is written and I agree with basically everything in it. It does leave a few gaps though, some of which incidentally are visible in the MOS page itself.

Namely, on WP (where I've been active) section titles are always formatted such that only the very first word starts in uppercase while everything else is written in lowercase (with the exception of proper names of course). MEW:MOS is missing (imho) an according rule and even in that page, it inevitably leads to inconsistencies in the way section headers are capitalized. (Compare Screenshots and  I mages vs. Displaying  i mages or Trivia  s ections vs. Codex  A rticles.)

The WP:Headings guideline to "capitalize the first letter of the first word and any proper nouns in headings, but leave the rest in lower case" has always made a lot of sense to me. Couldn't that be added to MEW:MOS? Not that it's a big or urgent thing, but as shown above its absence leads to some apparent confusion and avoidable inconsistencies. At any rate, it's just a thought.

I'm asking here since the MEW:MOS talk page isn't very active. Please feel very free to move my 2 cents to a more appropriate place if necessary. --78.34.237.16 07:41, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I kinda agree with you. The MEW:MOS does lacks in some minor areas as I edit articles, including what you mentioned, though sometimes you just have to follow the most common way of doing things here. There are some few things I had in mind but can't seem to remember it. Perhaps when I have the time, I will think and point out things that could be improved on too. Teugene 07:57, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally, I prefer more capitalization in section titles as opposed to less. For example, from the titles you provided, I prefer 'Screenshots and Images' to 'Displaying images', and 'Codex Articles' to 'Trivia sections'. So if I were to change it, that'd be how I'd do it, which is fine and dandy given the fact that we are not in any way affiliated with wikipedia, nor are we in any way bound to or by their Manual of Style. Honestly, as I've said before and I'm sure I'll have to say again, I couldn't care less how wikipedia does things. (I'd usually use more colorful phrasing, but we do have a language policy! :P ) So yeah... now that it's been brought to my attention, that's the direction in which I'm leaning. SpartHawg948 08:03, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine by me either way. Consistency is my primary concern. Personally, I'm used to the Wikipedia style which in this case does make sense imho, but I don't mind settling on a different style. (Also, rest assured, I'm a Doug Stanhope fan and I could come up with some pretty colorful descriptions for some aspects of WP.) --78.34.237.16 08:10, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough! Hopefully I didn't come across as too abrasive in my initial reply. You couldn't have known, but right now the Wikipedia MOS is one of those things that push my proverbial buttons. We had a relatively new/inexperienced user making quite a few edits the other day that all ran counter to the policies and formats of this site, and when asked to stop, he copped an attitude and replied with (and this is a direct quote, not taken out of context or anything) "on the other wikis and Wikipedia, it is done that way all the time" and went on to explain how his edits fit Wikipedia's MOS very well, totally disregarding the fact that this isn't wikipedia, nor are we affiliated with them, and wikia lets us set our own stylistic policies. So yeah, hearing about Wiki's MOS has been getting me frustrated lately, which still doesn't excuse poor behavior on my part, so again, hopefully I didn't act like too big of a jerk! :P SpartHawg948 08:45, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to add, if in doubt, I guess it's better to be safe and follow what seems to be the norm by observing the styles of articles. That might help too. :) Teugene 08:57, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Incidentally, by and large, the norm appears to be what SpartHawg948 suggested if I understood correctly: Capitalize everything except function words. Also, SpartHawg, you didn't come across as abrasive. I've edited Wikipedia for three years before I more or less gave up on it so I can wholeheartedly relate to wikistress of the kind you describe. This was a productive exchange, I'm glad I came here. --78.34.237.16 09:19, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia heading policy is, I believe, intended primarily to promote "predictable" heading names (for linking). In any case, I would rather that we don't become quite so prescriptive: in my experience, more policy simply leads to more wikilawyering. The existing policies, such as they are, simply document current practice and address stylistic items which have been recurrent problems. (Note, in passing, any substantive discussion of policy proposals should definitely take place on the appropriate talk page, rather than here.) --DRY 12:55, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Pics with Shepard
Correct me if I'm wrong but usually we don't accept pics with Shepard in them? I'm just asking becuase there is two pics I am concerned about, one is the trivia section of the Kasumi: Stealing Memory article and the other is in Donovan Hock article. I just wnated to ask if those are some exceptions or not. Lancer1289 17:47, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done and done! Shepard images are still verboten. SpartHawg948 17:50, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks I was just checking.Lancer1289 17:51, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good looking out. I'm trying to stay away from Kasumi pages for now, for spoiler reasons, so I wouldn't have caught them. Fortunately, I was able to remove them without learning anything I shouldn't have! :) SpartHawg948 17:52, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey guys sorry about adding the Shepard images, didn't realize that they were unfit for the wiki. Guess you learn something new every day! ubcphysicsyangbo 18:36, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

201.121.16.27 vandalizing
This person is vandalizing the Reaper article and has been for about 30 minutes now. Lancer1289 22:16, April 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Now he is on a vandalsim spree. Lancer1289 22:37, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Apologies for not taking care of it. I was in class at the time. Intro to Pollution Prevention, Hazardous Waste and Environmental Justice and Critical Thinking wait for no man... (well, I suppose Critical Thinking does wait for Professor Le...) SpartHawg948 01:45, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Dragon Age Reference
If you haven't complete Kasumi: Stealing Memory yet then wait until you do. There is some trivia in the article and I commented on it on the talk page and I was hoping to get a ruling from an Admin on it. Lancer1289 04:51, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, whatev. Spoilers kind of come with the territory, and sometimes I just need to suck it up and look. Unless of course you mean that I need to complete it to get the reference (or lack thereof). Because if that's the case, it'll have to be put off till at least this time tomorrow. SpartHawg948 04:52, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Take the time, otherwise it will ruin a good part of the mission. Because to get it you will have to scroll up out of curiosty. Lancer1289 04:54, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I may actually be able to squeeze it in tonight, but that isn't for certain. I did glance at the relevant item earlier, as part of my review process, and in general I concur with your edit. It needs to be phrased as a 'possible' reference, unless there is pretty obvious evidence to the contrary. SpartHawg948 05:03, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

I HAVE SPOKEN!!! I think you're being way too anal about the wiki rules, to be honest. Both Dragon Age and Mass Effect are made by the same company that has a track record of inserting references from other works including their own and it's the same model. Don't give us the "we need confirmation to be 100%" certain to protect the integrity of this site" arguement. You have an account over at the Dragon Age wiki as well so you know exactly what it's a reference to. RedViking 22:11, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok... now that my ego trip is over, here's the deal. It (for me anyways) wasn't called an 'Ogre' statue, but rather was labeled 'Creature', so I changed the trivia to state this, and given the facts that A)It strongly resembles the Ogres from Dragon Age; and B)That we don't have a statement saying it is an intentional reference... it seems obvious, but you are correct, we don't have devconfirmation so it needs to be treated the same as other trivia, so I changed "may be a reference" to "is likely a reference". It's a little more definite than "may be" while still conforming to policy. Hope this compromise pleases everyone, but if it doesn't... well, I don't really care. :P SpartHawg948 07:29, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, word to the wise- (and I apologize, crude language follows) Don't tell me how to do my fucking job. Simple as that. All I'm doing is playing by the rules. If you don't like these rules, and don't like the fact that they are enforced, that's too damn bad. There are other wikis out there. Go to them. Stating we need confirmation isn't an "arguement" (or even an argument, for that matter, although proper spelling is always nice), it's a simple statement of site policy. I've stated my personal opinion that it is a reference, and while I may think that in this case the rule is silly and counterproductive, it is what it is. It's not my job to decide what rules to follow and what not to (or at least, it isn't just my job, as that's territory where all the admins are needed), it's my job to see to it that the rules are enforced at all times. And OF COURSE I know exactly what it's a reference to! As I've said many times, I WAS THE ONE WHO EDITED THE ARTICLE TO STATE THAT THE STATUE IS IDENTICAL TO THE OGRE FROM DA:O AND ADDED A LINK!!! Anyone who was paying even the slightest attention to the ongoing discussion of the matter would know that. And there you have my response. Sorry for the crude language, but I don't like people coming onto my damn talk page and copping a tone, such as "you're being way too anal about the wiki rules", or "Don't give us the "we need confirmation to be 100%" certain to protect the integrity of this site" arguement[sic]" or patronizing me by presuming to tell me what I do and don't know. I'll stop saying naughty things now, but suffice it to say, I have another game for people like that to go play, and no, it's not Dragon Age. SpartHawg948 00:00, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll admit that I was harsh in my last statement. I've seen people say they were just doing their jobs and, although they were technically correct, everyone around them knew they were on a total powertrip so I probably took that anger out on you. It could very well be that I've misjudged you in that regard and, if I have, I apologize for that. That said, it's just that sometimes I get the feeling that you're enforcing the rules without regard for its spirit. Afterall, you just admitted that you'd enforce a stupid rule that doesn't make sense just because it's a rule and I've seen you take a few crackshots at people you disagree with. If I can't take my criticism of how I feel an admin is doing to their talk page, then where else do you suggest that I take it? RedViking 08:42, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Take it to their talk page, just don't come across as an ass while doing it. See the quoted snippets in my previous reply for examples of what I'm referring to. When you make statements like that which automatically put the other person on the defensive, the result is generally not productive. There is such a thing as 'constructive criticism', after all. And as for enforcing the letter of the law but possibly disregarding the spirit, I freely admit that I have probably done so on more than one occasion. So? It gets back to the point that with rules, it's all or nothing. 100% or 0%. Rules either have to be enforced strictly, 100% in compliance with the letter of the law, or not at all. If we allow arguments such as "well, this is one of those cases where the rules don't apply" or "well, it's invalid according to the letter of the rule, but according to the spirit", then suddenly every time an admin or another user in general tries to enforce a rule, they'll be met with those arguments. Rules and laws are, quite frankly, all letter. Spirit of the law is an extremely subjective idea. SpartHawg948 08:57, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Mass effect 2 figures
I would Like to Know if You Have Put Down an artical about the new mass effect 2 figures???

if not shall i put down a small artical on the mass effect 2 page after the downloadable content section.

I would be happy to do so (YCGTronin) 10:40am 8th april

I wonder if we see a Garrus or Saren figure in a future wave? Lord Saren101 22:44, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

KOTOT II Trivia on Kasumi
We seem to be in a circle here. Another user added some trivia about how Kasumi's alternate outfit makes her look like Visas. Another user already deleted it but I think that there needs to be a general ban on the KOTOR II trivia for the reasons stated on the Talk page. However this is my opinion

Also I was looking at that section and I would like to get it back using the appropiate indentations to before the accidnetal formating mess that a user created. I just wanted your permission first before I do. I'll do it but I just wanted your permission first. Lancer1289 13:37, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Granted! (I probably shouldn't do that without really knowing what I'm giving permission to, but whatev!) SpartHawg948 17:13, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Basically I am going to put all the indents back and realing everthing on the Kasumi Goto Talk page under the subheading of the KOTOR II Trivia. Lancer1289 17:26, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rog-O! In that case, permission still granted! SpartHawg948 17:28, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just finished I restored the code to how it was before the mixup and left the comments after it as is. Nothing deleeted and nothing else added. Lancer1289 17:33, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

I havent got the dlc yet, but it seems to me alot of htings about her are a shout out to kotor 2, Should it be noted? i dont know vOv but i think it seems kind of cool ralok 21:00, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Again the problem is that we don't know how far, if they did anything for that matter, BioWare got in Kotor II. We have had people adding trivia about G0-T0 for weeks and the Visas thing was thankfully removed before another debate got started. For the purposes of Trivia, KOTOR II is not a BioWare game and we don't know how far they got in development, if at all. On the talk page it says it in more than a few plances "KOTOR II is not a BioWare game" I hoped that would settle the matter but while I will admit there are more than a few similarites, we can't reference them because of the development issue. Lancer1289 21:13, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

And bioware is not allowed to have shout outs to games made by other companies, especially a company that has not only created a sequal to one of their games but two? Here is what i am saying, one similarity is a coincidence, two is a pattern (or is it three that equals a pattern) if there is more than one i think its worth noting, but if it were a rule i would htink three similarities are what would equal a pattern, i only know of two things that could connect her to kotor 2 so vOv ralok 21:21, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Now if only there were similarities. Sadly, there are none. G0-T0 is an alphanumeric designation for a droid criminal kingpin/would-be savior of the Republic, who occasionally masquerades as a human named Goto via hologram. Kasumi Goto is a human thief whose name has a distinct meaning for her character, as laid out on the page. Ig Kasumi Goto (whose name appears to have been chosen for its meaning) preceded G0-T0, it'd make sense. This is not the case. As for the purported Visas Marr similarity, that is highly subjective, which I will now demonstrate. I don't see it. At all. SpartHawg948 23:49, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I also agree. There are only a few vague references that if put under the microscope really don't stand on their own. Many people will still add references and we just need to keep on the lookout. There are just two references and both can be easliy shot out of the sky. Lancer1289 00:04, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hussah, the system works ralok 00:04, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed! See? These are the talk page threads I like. Ones that are nice and sociable, and don't result in me getting mad and yelling and cussing and hollering and whatnot. ROAAAARRR!!!. Oops... sorry. Angry SpartHawg there... :P SpartHawg948 00:08, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Just a general note...
Thanks for the welcome, I apologize in advance that I don't chat much and I have never used a wiki before. But I love Mass Effect and I will make small additions as I go along. Probably just filling in some gaps in planet mineral content. (It's a new mission, sort of) Anything more compliacted I would probably just ask, or make a suggestion (almost missed signature note) Hobbkito 14:49, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough! Thanks for the nice intro! Don't worry about the not chatting bit... the only reason I do it as much as I do is b/c of the whole admin thing, otherwise I'd probably be a lot quieter too. It's not expected that everyone will be a chatty Kathy all the time! :P Anyways, thanks again for saying hello, and happy to have you here! Let me know if I can do anything to help! SpartHawg948 17:44, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hello Friend!
You seem to rule the roost around here - right on! :) This is also my first wiki sign on. I love the ME games so much that I just want to be near anything that has to do with them - hawhaw. By trade I'm a vocalist and I beta test for TC-Helicon, a leader in voice technology - very scifi approach to singing - I love it. I also run the Peer Reviews site for their off-shoot Forum called the Voice Council. Soooo, I can appreciate that you keep a tight wrap on things here and in a professional manner, punchy yet civil. You've done a lot of work!

I've only been gaming for about a year and kind of scoffed at the sport really, as all my spare time use to go to music and production...a good friend of mine turned me onto steam, initially, so I checked out a lot of games but ended up kinda' bored before too long...no substance in so many of these, which is probably why I'm a friggin' ME addict now...woo hoo! I'm also a combat veteran soooo....So yeah, now I enduldge my selfish time into the game...it's quite rewarding. I've gone with the collector's edition on all accounts, have every DLC ever for ME and will continue to enjoy it for a long time to come.

Not sure if there's a specific part of this that needs special attention...I play ME a lot...haven't read the books yet but they're on order. I did get the comics for fun and plenty of other swag. Here's my site www.soniceroticaband.com - anyway, let me know what I can do to help...perhaps send me a link that spells out the guidelines so I don't just create more work for you. Glad to be on board!

Namaste, DIGITALCRACK 19:11, April 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hola! Como estas? (note- that's pretty much the extent of my Spanish- other than that, I can ask where the library is and tell you to please stand clear of the doors... that's about it). I wouldn't say I rule the roost or anything, although I am one of the three admins here at this wiki, and of the three I do tend to be the most... vocal. Anywho, glad to have you here, and as for the guidelines links, those should be in the welcome message, but if for some reason they aren't (which has been known to happen) I'll happily supply them! In a final aside, I don't suppose the use of 'Namaste' is a reference to a certain TV series? (If it isn't, disregard the last sentence!) And on that moderately incoherent note, I'll sign off. Later! SpartHawg948 19:16, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Adult beverages
Adult beverages are only for weak willed subpeople who need a crutch to just get by in life. --Revan&#39;s Exile 04:13, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Which is why I don't consume them myself. However, your behavior seemed to suggest you were one of these people, which is why I suggested it. SpartHawg948 04:15, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I rather blow my brains out all over the Pope than become a subhuman weak willed sissy who needs a crutch. --Revan&#39;s Exile 04:18, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, some would take the inability to spell correctly or use contractions (such as I'd, as opposed to I), as evidence of said weakness. But hey, to each his own. SpartHawg948 04:20, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * if i gave two shits about what was posted on this particular page i may pay more attention to spelling and grammar, but since i dont care i dont bother. --Revan&#39;s Exile 04:25, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

For someone who doesn't give "two shits" about the content of this page, you do seem to be posting an awful lot. Evidence of a weak will, perhaps? SpartHawg948 04:26, April 10, 2010 (UTC) if i had a weak will i would bow down to you like others do, would also consume scotch and prescription pain killers. oh and i would also have killed myself like all them sissy bitches who can't hack it in life. --Revan&#39;s Exile 04:31, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you even think about what you say? Judging by your comments I think not. Lancer1289 04:33, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Of course he doesn't think. He just sits there and belittles others in a vain attempt to provide himself with validation. That's all. Talk about weak-willed and pathetic. If all you can do is sit there bashing others constantly, you're a pretty sorry piece of work. SpartHawg948 04:34, April 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Did i miss a scuffle? it certainly seems that way, and whats this about adult beverages, certainly they are for weaker willed people, but its not somethign to make fun of if you have a strong will it shouldnt even be a subject of thought for you, isnt that a crutch to have to have other people follow your way of thinking to validate it, what is al lthis nonsense ralok 05:10, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes you did, see Talk:Mass Effect: Redemption for more and look at the history. Lancer1289 05:11, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, you definitely missed... something. I suppose 'scuffle' is as accurate a term as anything. I prefer to think of it as a tantrum on the part of a habitual problem user who has no redeeming qualities to speak of, but that's just my opinion. SpartHawg948 05:13, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Revan's Exile thought to be funny by mocking another user... guess it failed. Sort of a commentary on Revan's life, isn't it? :P
Wow three times with edit conficts. I just figured I report Revan for violation of the Talk page policy and I reverted his edits. I know that policy and I warned him that I'd report him for his attitude and now violation of policy, so no I am. He removed all the content from the Talk:Mass Effect: Redemption article. Lancer1289 04:23, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw. You actually just beat me to undoing it. Revan's Exile is now determining his own fate, which is turning out to be very amusing. I know it's wrong, but some people are just so easy to provoke! I'm going to have some fun with this one. SpartHawg948 04:28, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed SpartHawg948, Indeed. Lancer1289 04:31, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

I know. I'm a bad, bad, admin for this headline. But I don't take kindly to shenanigans like those being pulled. And the social restraints I usually operate under come off in those situations. SpartHawg948 04:32, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Leave it becuase then I can laugh about this. However it is your talk page so I differ to your judgement. Lancer1289 04:34, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sad that it had to come to this, funny, but sad. --Fatherbrain30 04:34, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Sorry favorite quote from a sci-fi series, guess which one. Lancer1289 04:35, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well, at least I'm not the only one who finds it funny. As Denis Leary said to his audience during one of his shows, "I'm going to hell, and all of you are coming with me!" :P SpartHawg948 04:37, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, is it SG-1? SpartHawg948 04:37, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. Teal'c. Lancer1289 04:37, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah! I loved that show! The Air Force bits were outstandingly accurate. They really did their homework. All around great series. SpartHawg948 04:40, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, Btw guess who's enlisting in the Air Guard? --Fatherbrain30 04:42, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Denis Leary? :P Seriously though, very nice! SpartHawg948 04:43, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

(Edit Conflict)Yea they worked very closely with the Air Force on the whole show and I remember once instance where they got Walter's rank wrong and the show's producers got one very angry letter along the lines of "he is a master sergent so call him as such". Considering also they got two Air Force Chiefs of Staff on the show, that also shows how closely they worked with them. Also they let them flim so close to Chyenne Mountain, ususally where people would be shot or arrested, they like the show and supproted it for its positive portrail of the USAF. Lancer1289 04:45, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I do recall seeing General Jumper on there, as well as the other one... forget his name atm. Also, a while back the Air Force named Richard Dean Anderson an "honorary General" for his role in the show, as they were very pleased with how they were portrayed. SpartHawg948 04:47, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * General Michael E. Ryan and General John P. Jumper guest stared and General Jumper was to guest star again if the series had not been canceled, apparently going off world as part of it. Forgot where I read that however. Lancer1289 04:51, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

I always forget General Ryan's name. Always. Probably b/c he was before my time. He retired two years before I joined up. SpartHawg948 04:54, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Just a quick question, Revan removed all his comments from the Talk:Mass Effect: Redemption article but now it looks like we are talking about Fatherbrain and myself and not him. The article is messed up, should that be reverted or not? Lancer1289 04:57, April 10, 2010 (UTC)Lancer1289 04:59, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's one of those technicality things. The other admins and myself actually discussed it a month or so ago in regards to another problem user. While it messes up the talk page, he is within his rights, as they are his comments. And it's not totally gone. It's still in the history. SpartHawg948 05:01, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok just checking. Lancer1289 05:03, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

I give you consent to delete my comments if you want and restart the whole thing if you wish, looking at that however is quite lulzy. --Fatherbrain30 05:04, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have a better idea how about we all delete our own comments and then restart the page. I'll contact the other two and get their opinion. Lancer1289 05:06, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

I'll sign off on the plan. Also, that counts as approval on my part! SpartHawg948 05:07, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Done. --Fatherbrain30 05:13, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

All the trouble for dissenting opinions...! Teugene 07:10, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Unique Dialogue Pages
While I am not a big fan of them either, I added the other remaining dialogue pages to, hopefully, get users to put the dialogue options there rather than on the pages themselves. Especially the trivia sections. Lancer1289 02:29, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rock on! Thanks for taking care of that! Yeah, I really hate them, but when the issue first came up I was pretty soundly outvoted. :( SpartHawg948 02:32, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed you were, I looked at the page after you told Tullis about the pages. Also just one other thing, do you think that we should add a link in the main articles to the dialoge pages. Again to hopefully get users to add dialoge there? Lancer1289 02:34, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I personally favor adding them in to the trivia sections, which is what I've been doing. Tullis is not a fan of this approach, but has reluctantly agreed to allow it in the hopes of preventing people from adding dialogue as trivia. So yeah, I'm all for that. Or was there somewhere else in the article you had in mind? I'm open to suggestions on this one. SpartHawg948 02:36, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

(reset indent) Yea just adding a link under the trivia sections such as or something like that. Lancer1289 02:42, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Miranda Lawson's Unique Dialogue
 * Except this would be the first trivia bullet point, again to hopefully draw people to the pages rather than putting it under the trivia sections. Lancer1289 02:50, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * After looking at the pages I think last would be more appropiate becuase the first ones are usually of more importance, especially on Garrus and Thane for instance. So if you have no objections then I will start adding them in about a half hour. Lancer1289 03:16, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. No problems here! SpartHawg948 03:57, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to get your permission to move the Kasumi Dialoge page to bring it more in line with the rest of the pages. Lancer1289 04:12, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Permission denied! Ummm... I mean, permission granted. SpartHawg948 04:51, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok I just finished adding them all and below I am posting the imbedded text I also added.
 * "Please put all trivia above this text. Thank You" Lancer1289 04:57, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Just forgot Mornith because I only recrutied her once. So now I'm done, and I didn't add the other premade things I did with the other articles becasue I remember she only has a few things of dialoge that was unique, well at least that would go on the page. Lancer1289 06:18, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Spart, since I was talking with a user and after seeing the talk page, I am adding a unique dialoge page for EDI. While it's mostly her jokes, still hopefully it will cutdown on dialoge trivia. Lancer1289 19:55, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Spart, I was just wondering, should we put up pages for Ashley, Kaiden, Wrex, and Liara for ME, and split Garrus and Tali's between ME and ME2? Just wondering what you think before I do. Again I hate these pages, but there is some dialogue in the articles themselves, and with the updated character page standards, we don't allow that. Just wondering what you think on the subject.

Also that will help us get over the 2,000 article mark. Just Saying. Lancer1289 22:29, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that sounds fine to me. No reason for the ME squad members to be left out of the party. And the splitting thing sounds fine too. SpartHawg948 23:31, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry it took so long to respond, went to see Iron Man 2 with some friends, great movie, recommend it by the way. Anyway I'll get started in a few minutes. Lancer1289 00:22, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Very nice! I wasn't aware it was out yet... shows how much attention I pay. It does look really good though. I think I will have to go see it. SpartHawg948 05:29, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea it is a great movie, plenty of action that is well worth it. Again I'll get started on the other pages in a few minutes. Lancer1289 05:33, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

(reset indent) Hey Spart, I just finished with them and for the talk to squadmate sections, I added an example becuase there are a few places like that. The Krogan Monument, the Relay Monument, Chora's Den, Flux, and those a just a few of the places I can remember off the top of my head. I'll also take a look around for other dialogue and put them in the appropiate places. Lancer1289 06:19, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Spart could you look you take a look at the Kasumi Goto/Unique dialogue page for me. I reformated the page to allow for the dialogue that Kasumi says aboard the Normandy. However about the only one there keeps getting removed. However when I added it I couldn't think of anything else it could be refereing to apart from Ian Malcom from Jurassic Park. "Life finds a way", seriously what else could it be refering to. Again I really don't like these pages, but I added it, bias, but I can't see anything else it could be refereing to. I just would like your opinion on the subject because there is some president behind this on another Unique Dialogue page. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 20:35, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind Spart, I figured out the problem, the quotation was moved, and I didn't notice it, but it wasn't in line with the section was supposted to be about. Sorry about the message. Lancer1289 20:55, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

No need to apologize. If anything, you have my apologies for my not being here to take care of it. Instead I was listening to a guest lecture about the proposal to build a new joint De Anza/Foothills College and UC Santa Cruz facility and associated housing and offices at the NASA Research Park at Moffett Federal Airfield. Interesting stuff, but frankly, I'd rather have been here taking care of this stuff. I think I've got a case of the Mondays... :( SpartHawg948 22:23, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Apology
I've taken a few days to cool off and I owe you a proper apology, SpartHawg. Truth be told, it wasn't even about the Dragon Age trivia. I once personally found out the hard way that the very rules that are meant to protect people can sometimes punish the very people they're meant to protect. That is not an excuse for my behavior, however, because I was redirecting my anger at the situation towards you since I percieved a convenient excuse to vent. I should not have done so and I apologize. RedViking 06:43, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. Water under the bridge. I was a little less... civil than I could have been as well. While I can seem a bit overzealous in my enforcement of the rules, I do my best to see that they are enforced fairly and across the board. Sometimes that leads to situations such as the one we found ourselves in the other day. These things happen though, and it's always nice when they can be resolved nice and peacefully like this. I appreciate the gesture, and if my unduly harsh language in my responses caused you any grief, I too apologize. SpartHawg948 06:51, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Spell checking Armor to "Armour"
In all of Mass Effect Wiki's articals with the word Armor in it need changing to Armour which is the correct spelling of the word. i have already taken the liberty of changing N7 Armour page but its not up to me to change all of them. You Know your way around mass effect wiki better than i do. if you dont want to change it yourself then get me a list of the pages with it on! YCGTronin 12:21, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * No! Please do nothing of the sort. In fact, please refer to the spelling section of the Style Guide, which specifically asks people not to change words spelled in US English to their UK English equivalent (such as changing armor to armour). After all, armour is only "correct" in the United Kingdom. In the United States and Canada, armor is the correct spelling of the word. So, from my perspective, you want to take the proper spelling of the word and change it to the incorrect version. And seeing as how BioWare uses 'armor', not 'armour', we can hardly call 'armour' correct, now can we? SpartHawg948 11:26, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry i apologize i didnt realise that and will undo what i have done. i hope that this will not effect the wiki in any major way!! YCGTronin 13:56, April 11th, 2010 (UTC)

Suicide Mission Subheading
After you reverted on the Samara article, I did some checking and except for Mordin Solus, Jack, Kasumi, and Zaeed are the only ones without a Suicide Mission subheading. The rest of the squad have the subheading, so I am wondering why you reverted the edit? So 8 vs 4 what do we do about that.

I know I didn't include Morinth becuase she basically assumes Samara roles. Lancer1289 04:29, April 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good call. My first instinct would be to axe them, as the articles are about the characters themselves, and we've made it clear that plot/mission info isn't really the type of stuff that should be there, what with how we're doing the loyalty missions. Just a blurb and then a link to the actual article. So I'd say it'd probably be more in keeping with this to remove the suicide mission sections. SpartHawg948 05:11, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK then, I'll get started with removing them all. Lancer1289 05:15, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Finished and you still beat me to a few of them. Lancer1289 05:24, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ditto! I was pretty sure I'd gotten Miranda, but then a look at recent changes told me otherwise. :) SpartHawg948 05:25, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Freedom's progress shephard image!!
just to let you know i only put 1 picture on the freedom's progress page and you said no.....

thats fine im not bothered but you have put on my watchlist that i have done it again and i havent so i dont know why i take the blame for it.

I DIDN'T DO IT!!!! YCGTronin 10:28 13th April 2010 (UTC)


 * What? ummmmmmmmmm What? arent specific images of shephard not allowed, and what are you talking about? ralok 10:17, April 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe he smoked something too strong... :P Teugene 10:36, April 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * im 13 years old i dont smoke!! but anyway what i mean is that i put a shephard image on the freedom's progress by mistake and igot done for it but another one has been put on that page again and it wasnt me so somebody has (and i got the blame) YCGTronin 16:35, april 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Except that you did add a picutre then another unregestered user did. I checked the page history. Lancer1289 15:40, April 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * (you added picture)http://masseffect.wikia.com/index.php?title=Freedom%27s_Progress&diff=105222&oldid=95161
 * (reversion by Spart)http://masseffect.wikia.com/index.php?title=Freedom%27s_Progress&diff=next&oldid=105222
 * (readd by another user)http://masseffect.wikia.com/index.php?title=Freedom%27s_Progress&diff=next&oldid=105224
 * (reversion by me to current version)http://masseffect.wikia.com/index.php?title=Freedom%27s_Progress&diff=next&oldid=105621
 * You did add a picture and then was reverted. Lancer1289 15:43, April 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm just teasing ya. I'm more than double your age and yet I don't smoke either :P Lancer1289, I guess what he meant that he admitted adding Shepard's image by mistake but was blamed for the reinsertion of the image by the anon user in the same article. But I must say, I find this a little amusing.. Teugene 15:46, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed but with the links you can see his point, if he did get blamed for the other user, who I reverted twice for the same problem then left a comment on his talk page about it, then that is wrong. Lancer1289 15:49, April 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Im telling you the truth here i swear i havent put that picture on and no knows my iwkia passwork so how did that picture get on there because everyone thinks that im screwing up mass effect wiki and ive only been a member for about 2 weeks for god sake !! YCGTronin. 17:00, April, 2010 (UTC)
 * Calm down YCGTronin, we support you actions, you admit to putting up one picture then getting blamed when the same thing happened. The links I provided above show that you are telling the truth that you did add one and then got reverted. Then another user added the same picture then I reverted it and left a message on his talk page about it. From the comments above, and the links I provided it is clear that all you did was add one picture and then apparently got blamed when it happened again. So calm down because you have the evidence on your side. Lancer1289 16:05, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry we support your version of events, actions sounds wrong and I didn't see it until after I hit save page. Every now and then I really hate the enter button. Lancer1289 16:07, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * And to add to that, take it easy YCGTronin, and carefully word your posts as it takes a little while to comprehend :P And don't worry, the wikia will not come to an end because of some edits and a picture! lol! Teugene 16:11, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

thanks guys hey talk to me sometime on my talk page cause i can get you intel on upcoming stuff !!!

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:YCGTronin


 * Wowee! The things that go on while I'm asleep! :P SpartHawg948 17:13, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fortunately you were asleep or the edit conflicts could be worst! ;) Teugene 17:15, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Very true! SpartHawg948 17:16, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

OMG did you just read that whole conversation. god i feel so embarassed lol YCGTronin, 18:25, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * How could he not read his own talk page? :P Besides, it makes a good amusing read! Teugene 17:30, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Well it was posted on my talk page, which (since I'm an admin) people use to ask me questions or ask for help. Of course I read it all. SpartHawg948 17:31, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Someone is vandalising pages relating to Grunt and the genophage by adding the Prince of Bel-Aire lyrics into the dossier and description sections. I undid most of them, but i'm not sure if he tagged anything else as well.Tantalus91 16:00, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

He vandalized Wrex's dossier as well. I got that undone. Babyhenchy1 16:09, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Nice. I checked his contribs, and it looks like that was all he got into. I'm going to keep an eye on the pages, in case he's a repeat offender.Tantalus91 16:10, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * What? The Fresh Prince is vandalism? Never! :P All right, I'll look into it. SpartHawg948 17:46, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

He just did it to the Genophage article again. Just wanted to let you know. Lancer1289 22:05, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Taken care of. I wouldn't mind so much if he could at least get the lyrics right, but I guess that's asking too much. SpartHawg948 22:12, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * It is sad and I did notice it myself, but as with most vandals, it is asking too much. Lancer1289 22:14, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Proper nouns for character classes?
Just wanna check with you whether if character classes (Engineers, Adept, Sentinel, etc) are considered proper nouns here and thus should be capitalized? My gut feeling is that it should be capitalized as it is a very specific reference to the player's class, unless I got it wrong here. The reason behind this question is that I see inconsistency in the capitalization of the class type in almost all the guides. Teugene 20:03, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * And to add to that, I think weapons type shouldn't be capitalized, though I seem to see weapons gets capitalized at some articles. What do you think? Teugene 20:22, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, here's my thinking- you are spot on in terms of class names. I also feel that they are proper nouns and should be capitalized. As for weapon types, that's somewhat trickier. There was a similar situation a little while back, the exact details of which escape my memory atm, but the details are: when it's just the weapon type being referred to (as in 'the M-8 is am assault rifle'), no caps. When it's referring to the talent (as in Soldiers have the following talents- Assault Rifles, Pistols, Shotguns, and Sniper Rifles) it should be capitalized. I hope that wasn't too confusing and/or answered your question. If not, you know where to find me! :) SpartHawg948 22:10, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Got that, your explanation is perfectly clear. Kinda similar to the husks thing you explained to me a while back. Just wondering if would be helpful to have it in the style guide, though I guess that isn't much of a big issue as its mainly limited to guides and walkthroughs (maybe except the weapons type/skill). Will correct it when and if I happen to come across those.


 * On a side note, remember the ME planet missions I proposed to edit a while ago? I've complete the drafts for the planet missions in my sandbox and you can give your constructive criticism here.
 * That's what that other situation I couldn't quite recall was! The husk thing! As for the missions, I'll take a gander here in a bit. SpartHawg948 04:55, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

72.83.245.124 and Tali's article
For the tenth time this user has put in or modified information in the Tali article to make it incorrect. I have now asked them three times to stop and they keep doing it. While the edits are not huge, it is just annoying because they keep doing it no matter what anyone says. He has been reverted by three users, including myself now, but he still keeps doing it. If you could leave him a message as well I think that would help, considering my three haven't done squat. I will be informing DRY as well Lancer1289 19:47, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * DRY blocked him a few minutes ago, so I figured I'd inform you. Lancer1289 20:05, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Codex on Dreadnoughts
After cheking most of my saved games and reverting two edits and then looking at the codex we keep here I noticed that the asari have 21 listed in their codex but every codex I've checked has 20. I was wondering if you have the same thing before I change it and an edit war starts.

PS I saved the Destiny Ascension in all but one of my games and even that one has twenty listed. Lancer1289 20:27, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oooohhhh... talk about bad timing. I'm actually running a bit late for a class atm. I can check my saved games for this info in about three hours, but till then, you guys are on your own. Maybe DRY might be able to shed some light on this issue? SpartHawg948 20:32, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Isnt the codex on this wiki a word for word copy of the one in game, if it says 21 on the wiki, but 20 ingame then the wiki is incorrect, isnt that how it works ralok 00:27, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well it appears to be from ME2's codex so that's why I'm asking what to do. Lancer1289 00:30, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

All mine say 20. So, somewhere between 2183 (when they did have 21) and 2185 (when they have 20) they must have lost or decommissioned one, not counting the Destiny Ascension. SpartHawg948 00:47, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well should we add a seperate section under that codex entry for the ME2 data? Lancer1289 00:51, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yup yup. That would indeed be the way to go about it. SpartHawg948 00:56, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK then I'll take care of it. I will copy the ME2 Dreadnought Codex entry and break that section into ME and ME2 subheadings. Lancer1289 00:58, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. SpartHawg948 01:06, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

SCANDEL WARNING. On a hunch a pulled up the ME codex entry and discovered that it wasn't even the same. The two entries are completly different so I had to type the ME2 codex entry. I did a quick spot check of a few other entries and they are the same but still I think we need a check of all the Codex entries that carried over from ME to ME2. Also the entry is Starships: Dreadnoughts in ME2 so should we just create a seperate heading or leave it as I currently have it? Lancer1289 01:28, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK I was wrong the Codex for the SSV Normandy also changes and now I know we need a spot check. This problem just got worse. Lancer1289 01:32, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * The 20/21 asari dreadnoughts does make some sense. After all, the default choice in ME2 if you did not import your character is the Ascension was destroyed. However, if you did saved the Ascension, I guess it would be another dreadnought was decommissioned or destroyed off-game. Teugene 01:52, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice point and hopefully that will resolve the issue. Lancer1289 01:55, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

On another note, is every codex entry in ME2 different from ME? If there's substantial difference, would it be better if we split the codex article into ME, ME2 rather than have it under every ME, ME2 subsection? Eventually you will see the TOC full of "ME, ME2" subsections, which will eventually get worst with ME3.
 * Currently I am going through it and so far, only the ones in the Codex/Ships and Vehicles seem to be affected. Need more data and need to keep looking for now however. Lancer1289 03:01, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Codex Problems
Just added the ME2 codex for the SSV Normandy and now I will begin checking the rest of the Ships and Vehicles heading of the codex. "Houston We Have A Problem", "[a]nd it's a big one."

I'll inform DRY and apparenlty we need a spot check of the whole codex. Lancer1289 01:43, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not that big a deal. It's not like all the Codex articles are wrong or anything, just that we need to add in the ME2 ones that are slightly different. SpartHawg948 01:44, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry overreacting. Lancer1289 01:46, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. I'll take a peek here in a little bit too, see what I can see. As for how this was missed, simple oversight. The drell culture entry went about three months without being added. These things happen. SpartHawg948 01:47, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * You do learn something new every day. That I didn't know. Since I have a lot of time on my hands, see my talk page for more on that, I start and added where appropiate. Also see above for the other codex issue with Dreadnought vs Dreadnoughts. Lancer1289 01:50, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

(reset indent) I just finished going through the codex and found two entries that also were not added "Geth: Heretics" and "Drones". I added them and confirmed that the rest are in line with the ME codex entires and haven't changed. Only the ships and vehicles changed. Lancer1289 03:31, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, are you OK with the Dreadnought section, see above for more, but in ME2 it is "Codex: Dreadnoughts" not "Codex: Dreadnought" as in Mass Effect. Lancer1289 03:33, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. If that's what the original (ME) Codex calls it, that's what we call it. SpartHawg948 03:50, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK then, just checking. Lancer1289 03:51, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Geth page edits
As I understood it, the history section was for, well, history, while the "Mass Effect" and "Mass Effect 2" sections were under "Behavior", and focused on revelations about the nature and behavior of the geth in each game. Was I incorrect? I know about game spoiler concerns, but having information about the geth ordered by how they were revealed in the games seems messy and redundant compared to a simple chronological account. The fact that Heretics were not discussed in Mass Effect does not mean they did not exist until the second game, so why write in a structure that acts that way? Tophvision 23:32, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because the information wasn't known until the second game. For the entirety of the first game, it's assumed that the geth are a monolithic race acting with one singular goal. You're acting as if there are only two choices here- put it all in the history section (spoilers and all) or put it in the ME2 section and make it appear as if the geth heretics didn't exist before this. This is, of course, a false dilemma. It's possible to leave the heretics out of the history section, and then when they are mentioned in the ME2 section point out that they had existed for quite a while before this. SpartHawg948 23:50, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * It would also appear that your understanding is, in this case, flawed. The ME and ME2 sections of the Geth article are not 'under' behavior, at least not as subsections. They merely come after behavior in the article. The ME and ME2 sections aren't for any one type of information, they are for any and all info learned about the geth during the course of the games. This is why the ME2 section includes lengthy information about the heretics already. SpartHawg948 23:54, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Article name dispute
There is dispute over whether the article Mass Effect 2 PC Tweaks and Cheats should have it's name changed to PC Tweaks (Mass Effect 2) or PC Cheats (Mass Effect 2). Silverstrike and myself came to the point where we agreed to disagree and that we would wait for someone else to give their opinion on it. The problem being that this was more than half a month ago. Since it's been so long I decided to ask a neutral party (you) to weigh in on the issue. Bastian964 00:55, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. As of now, all I did was offer a strictly non-binding outsider assessment/opinion, but if needs be, I suppose I could enact any changes that need to be made if this dispute continues. SpartHawg948 01:49, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Image Deletion Request
Hello. Forgive me if I'm not going through the proper channels, but I'd like to bring http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:MassEffect2_2010-02-07_00-29-40-82.jpg to your attention. In my opinion, it's quite obviously not wiki material. As I understand it, only admins can delete things. Would you mind taking a look at that file for me? Thanks very much. Bakageta-Koto 01:31, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * While on a personal level I may be a fan of the image (what can I say? I'm a bit of a chauvinist!), from an admin/not everybody likes looking at Miranda's rear end point of view, I can see why you're bringing it to my attention. I'll take a little looksee! SpartHawg948 04:12, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

MAKE IT STOP
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User:Pccraine on the surface it looks like this guys edits are harmless mis edits, but his pattern is clearly that off a troll, his edits have become like a scrathing in the back of my mind. Also was the picture i got for the shadow broker page adequate? (totally unrelated question but it saves time to ask now) ralok 05:34, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've been keeping an eye on this guy for the last day or so. The only problem I have is that nothing he's done has been blatantly bannable. Still, there is a pattern of behavior... I'll give him an official one final warning. As for your Shadow Broker image, looks good to me. SpartHawg948 05:40, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

I was watching this thread unfold at about 1 a.m. this morning, and when I woke up at 8, I wasn't sure if anything had been done to fix the Tali article. From what I saw on the culprit's contribs, he made quite a few little changes to the article that make it less of a smooth read and more like a backroad in AR. I'd change them myself, but I didn't want to make myself look like the next article semi-vandal.Tantalus91 14:14, April 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * I just thought I'd also comment here considering I am the one who first warned him. Unfortunatly I fell asleep last night so I missed this whole conversation. I was going to bring it to your attention if Pccraine did it again, becuase he is making the same comments as this user who DRY has already banned. I'll keep a lookout for him, as I sure everyone else is at this point, and if it happens again, I'm sure someone will notify you. Lancer1289 17:04, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * An unregistered contributor (66.58.225.96) made an edit on the Trivia section. A minor one, but seemingly within the "style" of Pccraine's previous edits. I was tempted to undo it but I thought I'd simply bring it to your attention. CipherCero 17:31, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * That one looks OK, however I'll let Spart decide on that one. Personally I don't see the difference. Lancer1289 17:35, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

To be fair
Correcting people about hebrews being a race and a language, is not a fun thing to correct, i ahve been called racist at least eighty times correcting people on these facts. And the whole idea of discussing ethnic groups itself is uncomfortable for alot of people to the average person it sounds like you are trying to be racist by saying that hebrews are in some rediculously minor way different, so its their natural impulse to try and dismiss things like this. This was horribly uncomfortable for me to write actually. Long story short, some people would rather not do the research and just hope that you wouldnt be smart enough to know what you are talking about, does that make sense, i dont know if it does. ralok 20:56, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't give a damn if people call me a racist for wanting to get things correct. And if people want to call me an anti-Semite, be prepared for a fight! I may be a Catholic, but I am a HUGE supporter of the Jewish people, and of the State of Israel. You can't be afraid to tackle serious issues just because someone might accuse you of racism. Then the forces of ignorance and intolerance win. And there is no reason people should be uncomfortable talking about ethnic groups. I don't get all squirmy and worried talking about my Scots-Irish background. Long story short, if people make BS claims in the hopes that better informed people who do the research might be too nervous to challenge them, I'll be there to play the bullshit card. SpartHawg948 21:02, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

I hear ya man, its always important to know what you are talking and to be well informed on subjects like this, because personally i think it sounds more racist when you go on a rant about people you know nothing about even in their defense. ralok 21:08, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Persistent vandalism/speculationism
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User:CJD

His continuous and incessant attempts to put huge speculation, and a quote made by Harbinger on the 'Collectors' page is getting out of hand.

The edit reversal is continuous and I've given up. The downside of not being a mod :( Phylarion 11:32, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

He has just done it again even after you warned him SpartHawg, I left him two more messages, but he apparenlty just doesn't care. Lancer1289 02:56, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Mass Effect Walkthough Articles
Because the original section is in your second archive, I just figured that I'd let you know that my walkthoughs will be up in about 6 hours. Youc an see them all from my Sandbox Index Page and comment on the sandbox talk page about them. Thanks in advance for your comments. Lancer1289 13:58, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just figgured I'd let you know that I have finished them all, and while they are lengthy I invite you to read them and discuss them so I can hopefully post them soon. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 21:22, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry but I just have one more question. There is a matter I wish to ask privetly so I was just wondering if you take emails? Lancer1289 21:29, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Apologies for taking so long to reply. Tuesdays are my long days for school. 1:30-8:30. :( Anyways, I'll take a looksee when I get a chance, which may not be right now... have to read some Aristotle for another class tomorrow. In regards to your second question, I do indeed take emails. Feel free to drop me a line whenever (well, whenever it's something you wouldn't feel comfortable posting on a talk page). I don't always check it daily (which isn't an issue if I have advance warning like you gave me) so I may not always respond right away, but I will always respond. SpartHawg948 06:06, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand if you need time. I just wanted to let you know that I was done. Also I just sent the email and the only reason I asked is becuse I just wanted to be sure before sending it. Again thanks. Lancer1289 15:21, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

(reset indent) Hey SpartHawg I was just wondering if there was any news yet about the eamil I sent you. I appoligize in advance if I seem a little pokey. Also have you had a chance to take a look at my walkthoughs? Lancer1289 02:04, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, and no. Still awaiting responses on the first item, and I totally forgot to look at the walkthroughs. I won't lie, I am incredibly absent-minded. I'll take a gander here soon. SpartHawg948 05:01, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's ok we are all a little absent minded now an then. Just take a look at your own pace, some are quite long, especially the Expose Saren artice, so take them at your own pace. As to the first item, thanks for the update. Lancer1289 05:04, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Spart thanks for getting back, I just sent a reply but I'll basically say the same thing here, I don't plan to go away anytime soon. Lancer1289 17:06, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

(reset indent) Hey Spart I was just wondering if you had read them all yet. Also I was wondering should I get all three admins to comment on them before posting them, or should I just go ahead? See I told you I wasn't going anywhere. Lancer1289 23:48, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've looked over them a little bit, but for whatever reason, at the time, I wasn't in a heavy reading mood. I looked, and my eyes sort of glazed over. I'll try it again, see if I can get through them. Not that they're bad or anything, I liked the parts I read, I'm just not big on sitting there reading off a computer screen for extended periods like that. Perils of a short attention span... As for the posting thing, getting comments from all the admins would be nice, but it isn't really necessary, I don't think. Just posting them should be fine. SpartHawg948 00:35, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since I typed them all up on MS Word, they may not bee the same, but close, but I could email you them and you can print them off and read them that way. However I do have one more question, currently I am working on slashing the ME Guide down to size and before I post that, would you suggest that I get comments on that one? Lancer1289 00:38, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Couldn't hurt. I'm always inclined to err on the side of caution with these things, and getting comments is always nice. SpartHawg948 00:42, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * After reading your last comment, I figured that I'd just post the articles and then let the community handle the various little fixes that have come up. I know that tlooking over then yourself could be tedious so posting and then letting the community handle them probably would be the best way to go. However I will contact the other two admins when I am finished with the guide later tonight and I'll drop you another message. Lancer1289 01:21, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds fine. I was considering asking your permission to make edits to your sandboxed page myself, as opposed to noting everything and posting it on the talk page, but I didn't want it to seem like I was trying to assume control (no Harbinger pun intended) of the project, plus, given the fact that nothing peeves me more than people editing other users user pages, even editing with permission makes me a but squeamish. Again, everything was good content-wise, there were just a few spelling and stylistic things, and those usually get taken care of very quickly. SpartHawg948 01:24, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright then, I'll be posting them in probably about 2 hours and then adding links in the ME Guide for now until I finish the guide and drop all the admins a message asking for approval to completely replace the guide. I will be asking permission because I looked at the history of the page and I want permission before I whipe out a lot of other people's work. Lancer1289 01:31, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok three hours. However I managed to finish a rewrite of the Mass Effect Guide, which you can view here. I welcome your comments, however it is tedious reading just as a warning. You can comment about it here and any and all comments, that aren't vandalism are welcome. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 04:31, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Weasel words
Hey i am just checking, are you familiar with the term weasel words? i have nothing againstthere usage but in excess they can become annoying and the type of weasal wording is important, the fenris, loki, and ymir mech articles, it doesnt need tosay it is likely that they are named after the nordic beings, instead the trivia could just state that there is a nordic being that shares this name "loki mech shares its name with the nordic god of micheif" you get my meaning ralok 17:18, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sort of. I'm not really familiar with weasel words off the top of my head, but I see what you are driving at. My only problem is that trivia items and the like need to be connected with the article they are in. And just doing something like "Loki mechs share their name with the Norse god of mischief" would honestly be a setback to our trivia policy. The entire point of the policy is to not just note shared names as trivia, there has to appear to be at least some intentional connection. If we change it to the format you suggested, we'd be back to square one, with people noting that Alko shares its name with the national alcohol monopoly of Finland, Camaron shares its name with the Spanish word for 'shrimp', and Pressha shares its name with some washed up American R&B singer from the mid '90s who put out one album. And I'm not going to allow this wiki to go back to that nonsense. SpartHawg948 22:18, April 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ya i see your point, the thing about weasel words is to make something sound like fact when it isnt a definitive fact, basically cracked.com had an oversimlified explanation, but i see your point alot of things share names that might not necessarily be related, it is just so obvious with the mechs that it is bothering me, (makes note:make fun of friend named camaron)ralok 22:37, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

New Member
We have a new member called xSNAKEDUDEx YCGTronin 15:53 22nd April 2010 (UTC)

User Page edits
I just figured I'd ask, but when did that user modify my user page. Seriously I can't find when it was modified. Lancer1289 05:10, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just about a half an hour ago- 9:49pm PST (12:49am EST). SpartHawg948 05:26, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK just wondering becuase I didn't even see it. Thanks for reverting. Lancer1289 05:30, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the hello! To each their own i say on the Turian, Human thing.

the turian human thing
Sorry about that. I hit the wrong button and left a comment on the wrong persons thing. sorry! thanks for the hello still!

DevConfirmation Fiasco
I suggest that if a clear pattern exists in naming scheme, then it should be taken as a reference, not as a possible reference. Cluster pages follow this rule, why shouldn't all pages? 72.95.91.85 21:27, April 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * you know i think there might be an old developer interview or video that confirms one ofthe mehs as being named after a being from norse mythology, if it exsists i will find it and end this madness. ralok 21:42, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

And what constitutes a 'clear pattern' in naming scheme? We've had this debate before too, which is one of the reasons we generally use 'likely'. SpartHawg948 23:05, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Long story short, the 'clear pattern' thing is too subjective. We need something concrete, set in stone, immutable, etc. For example, something along the lines of:If it has devconfirmation, it can be stated definitively as a reference. If it lacks devconfirmation, it must be qualified with 'likely', 'may be', or something else along those lines. SpartHawg948 00:46, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Another Vandal
User:58.160.89.165 has vandalized multiple pages adding things like prejudice statements or iphone jokes.Bastian964 14:33, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Spart, I was just digging through my history and this guy seems to be adding similar things to User:Dieseldrinker64 about a month ago. The iPhone theme is the same so I figured I'd just point that out to you. Lancer1289 16:43, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Deletion favour
Could you help me delete these file I uploaded? I only realize that the file size was too big. Also, is there a way to delete your own files which you've uploaded by mistake or does that still requires an admin for that? Files in question: File:ZeonaLanding.png, File:HammerheadUnveiling.png, File:ZeonaLocatingResearchSites.png, File:HammerheadReturningToNormandy.png.

Thanks a bunch. Teugene 16:49, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, here's the whats what. I'll delete the images shortly, so don't think I'm just blowing you off or have forgotten about it or anything. However, if for some reason they aren't deleted within the next couple hours, I probably have forgotten about it. If this is the case, give me another kick in the pants in the form of a reminder message. As to your query, no, I do not believe that there is a way to delete your own files. It'd be a nice feature, but I don't think it exists. SpartHawg948 21:24, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it took a little more than a couple of hours, but all files have been deleted. SpartHawg948 05:07, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, I understand you have a lot on your hands. Just wanted those redundant files removed at any time possible. Thanks again! Teugene 08:37, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

No problem! Always happy to help, so long as my lousy memory doesn't prevent me from doing so! :) SpartHawg948 08:41, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Freighters
Hey Spart, Commodor proposed moving the Athabasca Class article to just being Athabasca to match the Kowloon article. However I was wondering, considering admins are usually the ones to move articles, could we move that to Kowloon Class because that is what the class is and Kowloon sounds like it is refering to the first ship of said class. Lancer1289 20:48, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. I do believe there are several in-game references to the Kowloon-class, and the Athabasca-class is specifically referred to in ME2. So, let's get this set up, leave it open for a few days in case there is any dissenting opinion (not that I expect there to be any, but procedure is procedure) and make this happen! SpartHawg948 21:27, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK then, if in 7 days there are no more objections, I'll move the article. Lancer1289 21:29, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan! SpartHawg948 21:30, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey just figured I'd let you know that I have moved the article to Kowlonn Class because there were no objections. Actually I was the only one to comment. Lancer1289 17:23, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Wow. Has it really been a week already? Seems like this whole thing just came up the other day. Thanks for taking care of it. Where does the time go? SpartHawg948 18:29, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Comment removal
Yeah, I just noticed that rule and was reverting my edit literally seconds before you did it for me. Just wanted to be clear, I'm not interested in breaking rules.
 * Again, I apologize. I misread things, which caused me to act rashly. You did nothing wrong. I was in fact the one in the wrong. Again, my apologies. SpartHawg948 04:59, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Kill it with fire (not literally)
yah, this guy http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mr.Green_hat make him stop, he came onto my blog page and started crap ralok 23:30, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yaroslev Tartakovsky
Hey Spart, currently ralok and myself are in a dispute over a piece of trivia on the Yaroslev Tartakovsky page. We would like a third opinion on the subject. The trivia in question is the one about sharing surname as the animator Genndy Tartakovsky. Ralok thinks it should go while I think it should stay but again we'd like a third opinion on the subject. You can see more at ralok's talk page if you need a little bit more. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 01:43, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Reversion of edit to EDI by User:Lancer1289, and query for style guidance
User:Lancer1289 claims that a quote -- specifically the quote "I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees." *beat of disconsternation* "That was a joke.", from the ME2 sequence where EDI is unshackled, is "completely unnecessary". I disagree, for several reasons:

1) Joker has many quotes from him in his article, including ones related to EDI. 2) EDI has few quotes in her article, with none of them providing any backup to the point stated "these jokes could be considered in poor taste, as they are often disconcerting rather than funny."

I request guidance as to when dialogue quotation is allowed and appropriate, particularly on character pages.

Thank you for your time.

Kyanha 19:57, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems to me this has already been basically resolved, what with the creation of the EDI unique dialogue subpage. As for guidance on when direct quotation is appropriate on character pages, unless it's a headquote, pretty much never. Dialogue is not trivia, nor is it really appropriate content for a character article. Again, exceptions are made for the quotes you see prominently displayed on pages for some of the more significant characters. So yeah, it seems like this has been resolved, but if there is still an issue, let me know, Thanks, SpartHawg948 20:18, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Collector General - TARDIS
Hey. I am the unregistered user who made the edit. I think it was a valid bit of trivia. his control room was circular, and the main console was a six-sided control matrix with aa large glass tube in the middle. That's the description of The Tardis. find the end cutscene online, and google image search it if you don't believe me.
 * You'll need to be more specific. I did said google image search, and there were multiple different control rooms that popped up. Additionally, there is no large glass tube in the middle of the control room in the Collector Base. It's a holographic display. I'd need to see the Dr Who one to be sure, but if there isn't anything else to suggest a link, it does seem a bit of a stretch. SpartHawg948 04:57, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just removed it again because I have seen Dr. Who and I agree that it is a huge stretch. The tube isn't glass. it a holographic display. It is a huge stretch, while it is six sided, so are other control panels in scifi I have sceen. I can't remember any off hand right now, but I know I have seen other control panels like the one in the Collector Base so no not trivia. Lancer1289 05:00, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I haven't seen it, so I can't say for certain till I'm provided with a more accurate search term or a link right to an image. But yeah, there is definitely no big glass tube in the middle of the Collector base control room. And does the TARDIS control room feature the displays all over the walls and whatnot? SpartHawg948 05:05, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * No it donen't, and the panels in the TARDIS are buttons, knobs, etc, while the base has holographic displays. Lancer1289 05:08, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is a link to see the control room from the Doctor Who Wiki, the TARDIS: TARDIS Control Room. Scroll down a little bit and you can see that it is only a vague reference. Lancer1289 05:13, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow. Fair enough. It does indeed bear only a passing resemblance, as much of one as do many other such rooms in other sci-fi series and genres. SpartHawg948 05:39, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hey thanks so what's with the contributions what is that?

Latest Vandal
Hey User:PROBLEM OFFICER? has been vandalizing articles by inserting a very inapporpiate pictures, can we please get rid of him. Lancer1289 18:17, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Spart, DRY just banned him, I left DRY another message and provided the file names of the images that the person uploaded. Just to cover all the bases I will give you the the names as well. File:Scream.jpg, File:TrollFace.png, and File:AGH.jpg. Lancer1289 18:46, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just checked and DRY deleted the images. Also thanks for the removal of the content on the Citadel page, I thought I got it. Lancer1289 19:27, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Or you did, now I'm confused. Lancer1289 19:29, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * DRY got them? Did he now? So he's taking credit for my work, eh? I'll have to show him what's what! :P Also, no problem on the Citadel stuff. If only people would fact check. 'Well, KOTOR was a BioWare game, so KOTOR II must be as well! And Neverwinter Nights was BioWare, so Neverwinter Nights 2 must also be!" Damn kids and their lack of fact checking. Also, lousy edit conflicts! SpartHawg948 19:31, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't know who got them. Well a block from one admin and deletion from the other. Not a bad day's work. Lancer1289 19:48, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Translate
Hello

I want to make a Hungarian Mass Effect page, 'cause we don't have any good ME site. I read your wikia and I think it's very good.

My question is: If I make an other wikia (for example: masseffecthu.wikia.com... we don't have hungarian wikia, too) could I use your writings to translate it? I want a page like yours, in Hungarian. It could be a great help for me. Or do you know any other way to make the translation?

Please answer me

Richard Havalda(from Hungary:P)
 * I wouldn't have a problem with our pages being translated into Hungarian for use on a Hungarian ME wiki. Unfortunately, I don't know of any ways to do this. Hungarian isn't my strong suit. I'm really only familiar with the Romance languages (Latin, Italian, Spanish, French, Romanian, etc). But, as long as you find a way to get it translated, I'm fine with our pages being used. SpartHawg948 19:23, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sparthawg, I would like to know where it says they can't evolve, and if it is true, what do you mean they can't evolve?

When you said they dont evolve as a whole, does this mean they can pass on their genes to their young, and evolve

Blood Pack
Sparthawg, during the mission of recruiting Mordin, at the end Jacob says the blue sons lost a lof of 'turf'.

With that said the Blood Pack took the slums from blue suns. Also it never said the Blue Suns gained the terrirory back.


 * They lost a lot of turf, yes, but were still actively engaged in fighting the Blood Pack for control of the territory. At best, this makes it contested territory, not territory that has changed hands. SpartHawg948 00:15, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, please be mindful of your grammar. You changed 'are currently' to 'were currently'. Were currently is all kinds of wrong grammatically. Were is past tense, while currently is present tense. Were currently is therefor mixing tenses, which does not fly grammatically. SpartHawg948 00:18, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Leviathan trivia
That last trivia has nothing to do with the Leviathan of Dis. The first part is only trivia about the word Dis and has nothing to do with the Leviathan itsel;f and the last part about Hobbes' Leviathan makes no sense. What does a book about social structure have to do with a biologically made space ship? All they have in common is the title.
 * Fair enough. State that in the edit summary and I'll have no need to undo the edit and to ask 'reason for removal?' because the reason will already be stated. SpartHawg948 01:15, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Third power
Hey Spart, just wondering about something that's bugging me. Is there any rationale behind the inclusion of a ME 2 recruitable character third power details inside the character page rather than having its own page? I thought it could possibly be because its a specific power to the character but the fourth power is unique as well but it has its own page. If there isn't any reasons, I'm thinking of shifting those powers into its own page and keeping it consistent with the other powers pages. Teugene 03:36, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, maybe it's just me (and it probably is, actually) but I'm not sure what you're asking. Is there any way you could rephrase the question or something? SpartHawg948 05:03, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me try to clarify. Teugene is asking whether the third power, examples are Miranda: Cerberus Officer, Tali: Quarian Mechinist, should have their own page, like the loyalty powers, examples Zaeed: Inferno Grenade. Lancer1289 05:13, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ok. I was kind of thinking that's what was meant, but I wanted to make sure. Sure. I don't see why that would be an issue. SpartHawg948 05:43, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying Lancer. I tend to jumble up my questions when rushing! If there's no issues, then it will be done! Teugene 07:05, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

No worries. My mental state was not all that it could have been earlier too, so that certianly didn't help! :P SpartHawg948 07:23, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I shall disambiguate the new pages by naming it with "(power)" &mdash; eg. "Cerberus Officer (power)" &mdash; as there are some overlaps with existing pages (Subject Zero, Ardat-Yakshi). Also, it will help avoid conflicts in the future if there's ever a possibility of a character with a generic name such as as "Cerberus Officer" (Mirinda's) or "Cerberus Operative" (Jacob's) or even a future enemy name "Geth Infiltrator" (Legion's)!. I hope this rationale is acceptable. :) Teugene 07:39, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Aren't the "third powers" the Class Powers of the respective squad members? What I mean is that Miranda's class is "Cerberus Officer" and Legion's class is "Geth Infiltrator", so on, so forth? So, I think the title should be Miranda's Class Powers. Braveangel 08:23, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest here. Do you mean that the page name should be called "Miranda's Class Power" rather than "Cerberus Officer"? Anyway, in the description, it is already mentioned that it is "a class specific power". Teugene 08:40, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

dsfg
Ey Sparthawg, I would like to know how to change a thumbnail into just a regular old picture because the thumbnail on the blue suns shows no text.
 * Just don't add the word 'thumb' in when you insert the picture. If the word thumb is there, it's a thumbnail. If it isn't there, it's not a thumbnail. SpartHawg948 21:42, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Erm...
Sparthawg, basically you can't even see the thumbnail text on the blue suns batarian picture.
 * Its the same on all the thumnail images becuase of the white text we use on this wiki. Lancer1289 02:52, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * So whats the point? --Coblob 02:53, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Not sure about you, but I see it just fine. It's hard not to, the white text on the navy background. SpartHawg948 04:47, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Something to think about
Hey Spart I just wanted to bring something to your attention and see what you think about it. Here is a link to a word for word copy of the Blue Suns article. See if you can spot the difference. Sorry for the vague title, but I had to get your interest, and not give it away. Lancer1289 04:28, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Spart found the problem, read more on my talk page. A little tweek to my internet options and everything is better. Lancer1289 06:08, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

CSS
Regarding that white frames issue that's appearing for IE browsers, I may have a solution to the problem. In the same time, I also checked and found where to change the "activity feeds" and "watchlist" tabs colours in "My Home" that is appearing incorrectly. Both only require a minor fix. Though, I'm unsure how do we go from here to fixing that. Do you happen to know CSS by any chance? Teugene 09:18, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't say that I do. I'm pretty illiterate when it comes to this stuff. I'd recommend asking DRY. He seems to know this stuff pretty well. Last time we had an issue along these same lines he was the one who fixed it, IIRC. SpartHawg948 09:44, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Late reply, have been busy lately. Anyway, I realize there's a wikia staff, JoePlay that contributes here too, and apparently he fixes css stuff. I could ask him to help right? Teugene 03:39, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, definitely. If he is unable to help you himself, he will at least be able to point you in the right direction. Great guy, that JoePlay. SpartHawg948 03:41, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Collectors' cruiser
It should be a mistake there. When you see it at suicide mission EDI says something like "I scanned this vessel .... and its compliant with the one that destroyed Normandy SR-1".

So it should be. Pls undo your edits.

P.S. I feel myself a bit sorry for minor grammar mistakes. English isn't my native language.


 * No. EDI says that about the "derelict" Collector Cruiser that you board partway through the game, the one the turians supposedly disabled and the the Illusive Man sends you to even though he knows it's a trap. IIRC, EDI doesn't comment at all about the cruiser on the suicide mission. Joker does, but he doesn't confirm it's the same one. He says that it's an 'old friend', which suggests it's the same, but doesn't confirm. So no, I don't think I'll undo my edits. Thanks for asking though, although you didn't phrase it as a question, more as a demand.
 * Here's the video proof. SpartHawg948 10:09, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

joking
just joking :P

I must admit that I know next to nothing about ice hockey, here in Australia ice hockey doesn't get much media attention. Australia has a pretty good field hockey team, but I don't really follow field hockey. The most popular sports here are one of the footballs and cricket. There are 4 different types of football here; Australian Rules Football, Rugby League, Rugby Union and Soccer. Because in different parts of Australia different codes of football are more popular than others, cricket is our national sport: it's the only sport pretty much all of Australia is passionate about.Ozzyjalo94 10:01, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Blog page weirdness
This isn't a priority issue at all so feel free to let it go... but I've noticed that comments on blog posts aren't appearing on the 'Recent blog posts' page. There's several blogs that are listed as having 0 comments even though they have several when you click on the post itself. Not sure if this is a wiki issue or just a technical problem with browsers, but it may make it difficult to keep track of new blog comments or conversations. Sorry for this being slightly trivial :) Bronzey 12:28, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Something to cast your fiery roving eye upon
Just letting you know, discussion recently broke out at Category talk:Mass Effect 2 Consequences and resurrected the unclosed deletion debate. Since the latest comments there have ended up in support for deletion, I figure you might want to take a gander at it and settle the category's fate for good before we all forget about it. Also, happy Cinco de Mayo! -- Commdor (Talk) 23:17, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * And to you! I noticed that something had been going on with all that earlier today, but was on a bit of a tight schedule so I didn't have time to delve into it then. I will take a look tonight though. Thanks for reminding me, as my memory really isn't what it used to be, and it was never that good to begin with! :P SpartHawg948 02:40, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

RE: IP Request
Hi SpartHawg. Sounds like someone got busted and likely lost his/her job, haha. You'll need to contact the Wikia Community Team about the IP address. To reach them, click the Contact Wikia link at the bottom of any page (below the three spotlight images) and fill out the form. Someone from the Comm Team will reply and take it from there. JoePlay ( talk ) 00:45, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

He's Back
Hey Spart just figured I'd let you know that that guy is back who is still pressing his point on Battle Rifles. He is getting really annoying. Just figured you should weigh in again, considering he is still pressing an issue that I though was resolved. Lancer1289 06:13, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh joy. Just when I thought some of these silly things were over and done with, this guy reappears, and there's that guy on the Kasumi: Stealing Memory talk page who appears to be trying to comment sarcastically about the DA:O reference issue again (and failing, BTW). So much for my nice quiet day. SpartHawg948 06:24, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well then, I take another look there too. Just when you think everything is ok, something comes crashing down. Lancer1289 06:27, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops never mind, I already did. Lancer1289 06:29, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also I just found two other edits he did that overrode confirmed things. Mainly that the Terminator Assault Rifles can be accessed without console commands. I don't know about you, and I have 12 completed PC playthoughs, in addition to 18 on the 360, yes I had way to much time on my hands, and I have never come across the Terminator, have you? Lancer1289 06:33, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

No, I haven't. I only play it on the 360 though, so I couldn't vouch for the PC. But never seen it on the 'ol XBox. SpartHawg948 06:40, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, commented on the relevant talk page. This guy is getting on my nerves. He doesn't even seem to be making a point anymore, just disagreeing to be disagreeable. And the points are laughable, at best. His bit to you about how BRs were used in city fighting in WWII. They were, but SMGs were preferred, due to the range issues. And the magazine size thing is a joke. Anyone can cherry-pick results to be favorable. And the bit about AK-47 7.62mm ammo being different than NATO standard 7.62mm ammo is just confusing, given that I never said it wasn't, and was merely pointing out that AK-47s use 7.62 as an example to contest his 'BRs use 7.62mm ammo, ARs use 5.56' BS. Why, oh why do these people refuse to listen to reason? SpartHawg948 07:16, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * He just commented again and made a lot of edits to the article that are very unnecessary and I'll be reverting them, if you don't get to them first. Also he apparenlty did after you went to sleep so you couldn't revert him. He again cherry picked his results and after reading the conversation more than a few times, I still can't make sence of what he wrote. However I will be commenting. Lancer1289 16:04, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I also responded, but I may do so later, bringing even more to bat against this guy. My roommate, and even bigger gun nut than I am, was particularly appalled at some of the arguments this guy was making, particularly his claim that the 7.62x39mm short ammo used by the AK-47 is less powerful than the 7.62x45mm NATO round. His analogy was that it's like comparing a 9mm and a .45cal round. Sure the 9mm is faster, and lethal enough, but the .45cal has more punch. Regardless, he's more well versed with all the ballistics data and such, and says he'll be providing me with the relevant sites and such for the info shortly. SpartHawg948 18:21, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good maybe, just maybe it will finally shut him up. One can hope. Lancer1289 18:24, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Spart, will this guy ever go away, becuase it is really just getting annoying now. Lancer1289 05:42, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * He may actually be going away really soon... I hope that he shapes up and flies right, because, like yourself, my patience is not infinite. In fact, it's wearing rather thin... SpartHawg948 05:46, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * My patience is hanging by a thread at this point, just to let you know how I am doing. Well maybe I go and shoot some flood on Halo 3. Also now he is in an edit war, and it is just going beyond what my patience will tolerate. Lancer1289 05:50, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup. I just informed him of the edit war info, and left him some options to consider. Technically I could also make the case that he has employed sock-puppetry based on his use of two registered usernames (with similar but still distinct) usernames to post comments, but I don't think there is bad faith on his part in that case. But the edit warring does need to cease immediately. SpartHawg948 05:55, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also about the Terminator, thanks to Darkman 4, we have proven that it is accessable via Bring down the sky. I just replayed it and I recieved the Terminator rifle from random loot. So I modifed the Batarian State Arms Page and the Item template to reflect that. That issue was resolved peacefully, I wish this one could. Lancer1289 05:57, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup. If only they could all be settled in that manner. Alas, that is not the case... SpartHawg948 06:01, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Style Guide
Hey Spart, just a quick question, after correcting someone for it felt like the 100th time, I was wondering if we could add something to they style guide about prespective becuase it is getting annoying. I was thinking something like

Perspective

The intro paragraphs to most of our articles are written from the prespective of when they were introduced. For example the Systems Alliance article is written from the prespective of someone who hasn't played Mass Effect yet, where as the Drell article is written from the perspective of when they was introduced in Mass Effect 2. If there are new developments, please put them under the appropiate spoiler tag.

Just wondering what you think about adding something like this becuase it is really getting on my nerves. Lancer1289 18:07, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that sounds about right. Intros to big articles like that should be written per the 'beginning info' you have from the first game they are introduced in. SpartHawg948 18:17, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * So do you want to add that to the style guide or should I? Lancer1289 18:19, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm actually about to step out for a bit. If you want to do it, feel free, if not, I'll do it when I get back, in about an hour or so. SpartHawg948 18:22, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok it will be up when you get back. I'll add it now after a little rewording. Lancer1289 18:23, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just figured I tell you that I posted it and feel free to modify it, but I think it is short and to the point. If you feel there needs to be more added, then please do so. Lancer1289 18:47, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Roger copy! I actually incorrectly estimated my time away. Originally, the plan had been to just go out for pizza, then, upon learning that one of my roommates hadn't seen the latest Star Trek movie, we had to watch that while enjoying delicious pizza. So, it was actually a little more than an hour I was gone... oops. SpartHawg948 21:47, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

The Prez... I don't get it.
It's funny about what the President said about information. I don't understand that man. Does he want us to have information, or doesn't he? I guess he just thinks that the whipper-snappers of the youth culture ought to be more informed. Well, I'm pretty well informed. I don't find technology or "talk radio outlets" to be a hindrance on that. It seems to me that Obama thinks anyone using an XBox is just a big couch-potato-zombie that does nothing but use up electricity for their constant gaming. Does it occur to him that many are just as well informed as anyone else? Plus the hypocrisy of his campaigning in videogames. I dunno. The man just bugs me. --Effectofthemassvariety 21:38, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't get it either. He doesn't seem to realize that the youth of today are better informed and have more access to news and info than any generation prior. And you have to figure, this is essentially him saying that the youth, who were smart and well-informed when he needed their votes, are now ignorant boobs. Also note that the one new tech item that isn't a danger to democracy to this guy is the Blackberry, which Obama himself is never without. And another thought I had was, if this is what he thinks, does that mean he hates the Queen of England? Because remember, he gave her an iPod loaded with his speeches when he visited the UK. I guess iPods are exempt from being dangerous if they only contain his message. Personally, I think he's just mad that the Supreme Court ruled that his FCC can't regulate the internet like they wanted to. I'm of the opinion that no source of news and information is bad or dangerous to democracy, so the President's statement struck me as ignorant and, quite frankly, disturbing. SpartHawg948 22:15, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it was intended so much that the general public is not as well-informed, but it seems like a rising proportion of 'young people' have a disturbing tendency toward apathy, no matter the quantity or quality of information provided. As my observation (short and limited as it is to my area) yields it seems everyone clings to their one or two sources and fails to cross-examine what they're told. Then again I find myself to be very strongly rooted in fact and mediation, instead of opinion, and also somewhat loathing of 'politics' and the idea of anyone having a 'political career' at all. I really don't want to seem offensive or toe-stepping though; I've only gotten here not too long ago. Kobura 07:08, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly! His statement was ignorant and hypocritical. No source of news and info is dangerous to democracy! Everyone has their own opinion, and a right to it. We also have the right to go where we want for news. So, if someone wants to go watch MSNBC for their news, great for them. If someone wants to watch FOX NEWS, that's great for them too. I think the problem nowadays is that people are so intolerant to other people's opinions, and therefore want to shut them up. To think that everyone should watch the same news, or think the same thing, or have the same opinion as everyone else is very naive. It is very disturbing that the President would think that.--Effectofthemassvariety 22:56, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well put! This is precisely the reason I dislike any attempt by the government to regulate media outlets, whether it be the 'Fairness Doctrine', the FCC attempting to regulate the internet, or any other similar attempts, and am so glad that the various District Courts and the Supreme Court have not cooperated in attempts by either party to stifle media outlets, although let's be honest on one point- it's pretty much only one side that wants to regulate certain aspects of the media. After all, you don't hear Republicans demanding that a new Fairness Doctrine be applied to ABC, CBS, and NBC, or the New York Times, Boston Globe, Los Angeles Times, etc. It's just the Dems who want to restrict talk radio, the one media outlet they can't get a stranglehold on because it's based so much on what people actually want to hear. But I digress. Long story short, any attempt by the government (and that includes El Presidente) to paint any form of media outlet or news source as 'bad', or 'dangerous', or whatnot, is itself dangerous. A government of the people, by the people, and for the people has no business telling the people when, where, and from whom they should be getting their news. Only totalitarian governments need to rely on 'approved media outlets'. SpartHawg948 02:09, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Isn't it enough that the left dominates most media? Why do they always need to muscle in on everything? They've proven they can't compete, why not just leave it alone? The mere idea of the fairness doctrine makes me cringe. Why would they want to force owners to play the failing "Lefty McLefterson show" immediatly after the "Rightchard Rightman hour?" So we can be bored out of our skulls? Because they're scared that maybe those talk radio guys have a point, and they can't disprove it? Or because they think that we're all too dumb to choose what we want to listen to? ...I think it's all of the above. Then again, maybe they will accomplish one thing, we'll all be conserving energy when our radios are turned off. (HA! I couldn't resist) :P -Effectofthemassvariety 06:27, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't know if political arguments should go into these pages. But there you have it. I must disagree. The Right and the Left have both tried to silence the media. Forget the McCharty already? Those were the times when you could be punished for being "leftish", "communist sympathizers," or just "un-American." And in many countries in the world, it is the Right govs that imposes censorship. Both the Communist China or the Right Wing Military Dictatorship of the Lat Am makes censorship their fave past-time. Let's just leave it here: censorship is bad. (Though how we can prevent children from porn after all censorship is banned, I don't know.) No need to get Righty Right on this. Braveangel 06:43, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Why can't I use my talk page for topics I want to discuss? Now, articles, sure. Politics doesn't belong there. But user pages are open to whatever users want to put there. As for Joe McCarthy, you can't even compare that to the Fairness Doctrine. McCarthy was looking for Communist spies. He didn't try to impose his own political views on films. You know who was responsible for the 'blacklisting' that I think you're referring to? Hollywood! They did it themselves! McCarthy could rant and rave all day, but ultimately it was the Hollywood executives, producers, and directors who decided not to hire suspected Communists. Hardly the same thing as a liberal government mandating that if stations play x hours of conservative talk talk radio, they must also play x hours of liberal talk radio or lose their licenses. As for what other governments do in other countries, as I have no say in the matter, I don't bring it up here. This discussion was strictly limited to US policy. Who cares what those murderers in Beijing or South American and Latin American dictators (most of whom are and were liberal, btw. Pinochet and Galtieri were exceptions to the Castro, Ortega, Chavez, etc, norm) do, I'm worried about what my government is trying to impose. And if that means I have to get 'Righty Right' (whatever that means), then I will. It's my talk page after all, and my government. SpartHawg948 06:57, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure you mean McCarthy. :) Obviously there are always exceptions to everything. Is all censorship bad? No. But there is a fine line they need to walk. Also, we were not speaking of the past, or speaking of other countries. We were talking only on America today, and the main offenders in America today are the Left. I mean, there are avowed communists in this country today, and they have a right to it. However, the moment that people are forced to listen to them for the sake of fairness, or when talk radio hosts are taken off the air to make room for the "Progressive Hour," we all know what direction the opression will be coming from. --Effectofthemassvariety 07:17, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

HA! I started writing that before you posted yours, Spart, so I kinda repeated some things you had said. :/ --Effectofthemassvariety 07:23, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I imagine that Shepard would answer, "That's democracy for you." And it's a paragon, for gods' sake :) Braveangel 07:27, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

It is indeed democracy for you, which is why I stated I can't wait for November of 2012, and for November of 2010 for that matter. People need to go to the ballot boxes and let B.O. know that he really ought to be spending more time on the important issues, and less time griping about how, since he can't figure out how to use them, XBox 360s and iPods are bad for democracy. SpartHawg948 07:42, May 11, 2010 (UTC) HA! B.O.! Maybe it's just that I'm tired, but that made me laugh out loud. :D Speaking of elections, this election season coming up is pretty exciting for me personally, because it will be the first time I'm able to vote. And let me tell you, the wait has been too long! ;)--Effectofthemassvariety 08:19, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's not just the Novembers. I'm getting excited for June 8th! Primaries are coming! Get to vote on all sorts of exciting ballot measures, and who we want to be the candidates for the parties, and all that good stuff! I already have about 1/2 of my candidates picked out, and I'm looking forward to voting. And (obscure reference only Santa Clarans and maybe a few others in the area will get), I will be voting YES ON J!!! :) SpartHawg948 07:50, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Beautiful! I was the same way, couldn't wait to exercise my right to vote. I still remember the first time I voted, in the 2002 Ohio primary elections. Of course, I hope I'd remember, it was only 8 years ago. Wow, I feel old now. :( Seriously though, voting is a great thing. I can't stress that enough. At my last base, I was my units Federal Voting Assistance Program Manager, and I actually got bumped up to being the FVAP manager for the entire base (about 15,000 people, essentially a small town) just in time for the 2008 election, and this year I'll be working the polls for the primaries. Ah, representative government. It's a good thing. SpartHawg948 08:24, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Regulating and/or controlling free press and media is not a pretty thing. I'm not from the US, but here in my country, it's so screwed up how the ruling government controls the mass media through political party ownerships, contentious regulation laws, judiciary and police enforcement. Because of this, the mass media tends to be bias by demonizing and the opposition in a bad light while the government gets "praised" by the media but gets away with hypocrisy and corruption. The only credible source of unbiased news is the independent online media. So yeah, it's pretty screwed up here, but probably I'm just ranting. But you guys better hope US' media will never have to go in that direction. And in case if any of you are wondering, I'm not from China or any communist country. :) Teugene 12:10, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

P/S: I thought Obama's speech was funny in the White House Correspondents Dinner. He sure could crack up a good joke or two. Never a dull moment. Teugene 12:14, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, pretty funny. I liked how he said he was going to speak from the heart, then you hear the teleprompters slide up. Then when he blamed George W. Bush for having to come to the dinner at all. Obama is really a likable guy. It's odd how sometimes you look at politicians and just realize. "Wow! They're real people like you and me." :) --Effectofthemassvariety 23:16, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait a second... That was the 2009 correspondent's meeting... Oops!! :0 --Effectofthemassvariety 23:46, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Unique Dialogue Style Guide
Hey Spart, I would like your opinion on something I'm working on for the style guide. Becuase I am getting tired of policing the Unique Dialogue pages, I wrote a style guide page for them, I would like to see them brought into some kind of order and I would like your inputs and approval before inserting it into the style guide. Currently it is in my sandbox, Unique Dialogue Pages, and I would like your inputs on the page. While I know it is usually forbidden to modify another user's sanboxes, I really would like to get this up quickly so I hereby give you, DRY, and Tullis permission to modify the page to get it in line with current standards, so it can go up quickly. I know you really don't like that policy, but only you, DRY, and Tullis have permission, and I really want to get this up fast. I have added a note at the top of the article about it and asking any other comments be put on the talk page. I'll be dropping DRY and Tullis a line as well. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 04:51, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry just one more thing, if you need to contact me, then leave me a message on my talk page, or on the article's talk page. Thanks. Lancer1289 04:55, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Spart thanks for the vote of approval but I just added something and could you take another look. If you don't leave a comment, here, on my talk page, or on the article's talk page, then I will assume you have no problem with it. Thanks. Lancer1289 14:16, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * After taking a few mintues to look at it, it really just adds confusion, but if you want to see what I added just look at the history and revert if you feel it needs to be in. Thanks again. Lancer1289 14:18, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Spart, Do you think I should put it up becuase I think DRY and Tullis would have commented by now or should I wait a few more days? Lancer1289 02:24, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * How about we give it a couple more days? Just to get a finite 'we've waited long enough' date, how about Wednesday? SpartHawg948 03:00, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds Good. I'll Tullis and DRY another line in a few minutes just to cover all the bases. Lancer1289 03:03, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Spart, DRY responded last night and he said he will get to it next week. Do you think we should wait for him, or just go ahead and post it on Wednesday? Lancer1289 20:11, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I really don't want to keep stringing this one along... and we could always just delete it again if needs be, so I suppose let's stick with Wednesday. If Tullis hasn't commented by then, and DRY hasn't commented negatively, go ahead and do it then. SpartHawg948 02:07, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Roger. Lancer1289 02:09, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

(reset indent) Spart, I'll be putting up that new section of the Style Guide. Just thought I'd let you know. Lancer1289 22:38, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just put it up and updated the references section of the Mass Effect Wiki:Manual of Style to include the new page. Enjoy and comment (here or on my talk page) on how it looks. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 22:50, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

That's right. It is indeed Thursday, also known in some locales as the day after Wednesday. In that case, let me quote Jean-Luc Picard and issue a retroactive 'Make it so!' :P SpartHawg948 23:17, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry it took so long but I completly spaced yesterday and forgot about it. Lancer1289 23:41, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

No worries- you saw how well I remembered about it! SpartHawg948 23:49, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well all that policing had an effect. I only had to make a few changes. Hopefully we won't have to police these pages as much in the future. Also I created a page for Harbinger quotes because a user added all the quotes from the game, and that just made the article too long. Take a look, Harbinger (Collector)/Battle Quotes, and see what all those quotes would have done to the page. Also I called it quotes because it really isn't dialogue and that really all it is. What do you think? Lancer1289 00:44, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

12.193.44.11
Hey Spart, I was wondering if you could head of this user before he goes on a vandalsim spree. I warned him a few times about chagning dates from BCE to BC, and was up to three, edit war terriorty, and now he wants me to report him, so please do something before this user gets out of hand. User talk:12.193.44.11 just for easy navagation. Thanks. Lancer1289 20:45, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

The prez censorship
Is there a link to what u were talking about earlier. Paladin cross 22:39, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * On Spart's User Page. Near the bottom it is a link that says "bad for democracy"--Effectofthemassvariety 22:59, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, it was almost a waste of time reading that article, so i'm sure it was a bigger waste saying it. Paladin cross 23:06, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Entertainment Page
I like the idea of an entertainment page, but I was wondering where in the game you saw that trailer for the movie with Commander Shepard? I don't think I've ever seen or heard it. --Effectofthemassvariety 17:30, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's from the ad terminal on level 27 of the Citadel, the terminal heading down to level 26 on the left when you enter. It comes up randomly so you may have to be there for a while before it does come up. Lancer1289 17:35, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the entertainment page has been stalled on my user page for a while now. However, if people like it, I'll see about working it into the wiki. SpartHawg948 18:30, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea I think it be a great addition Spart, see if you can put it up soon. Lancer1289 18:34, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

You know there has been one other thing on my mind, do you think we should put up pages for the advertisements on the Citadel, and another for "Citadel News Net with Emily Wong"? Just thinking out loud there. Lancer1289 18:43, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry one quick addemdium: Also what about the galactic news terminals? Lancer1289 18:50, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, those would all be excellent additions to the soon-to-be article. I'll probably just copy and paste for now, then worry about adding things and possibly deleting/redirecting obsolete pages once it's up. SpartHawg948 21:40, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * So you want those three areas under the article or in the entertainment article? Becuase I can see the advirtisements in the enterainment article, but the two news things, I can't see that. Lancer1289 21:48, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm... touche. Although some people do find the news entertaining... I guess just the ads. Maybe we can work up a similar article for the news, or not. Whichever. SpartHawg948 22:33, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * How about a page where we have the news articles, one seciton for galactic news, and the other Citadel News Net. Then just add the ads to the Entertainment article. Also Shadowdragon is back. Lancer1289 22:38, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm running late thanks to Shadowdragon, so I'll address the news bit this evening. Sorry for having to make you wait. :( SpartHawg948 22:54, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * No need to appoligize, we'll come back to this, let's deal with him first. Lancer1289 23:33, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow he likes to argue and I just typed a reply that looks like one of yours, no offence ment by the way, but I think that I got my point across. And everyone else's by the way. Take a look, its the three paragraphs at the bottom of his talk page. Anyway once we are done we can get back to this. Lancer1289 01:06, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

To reply to your proposal, I like the idea of a news page. It can cover the Emily Wong stories, the random stories you hear in the elevators in ME and in various places in ME2, and maybe also provide a link to the Cerberus Daily News page. SpartHawg948 01:50, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright then, I'll create the news page, and you can create the entertainment page. Now to pick a page title, I was thinking, News Stories? Lancer1289 04:10, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * News Stories, In-Game News stories, Citadel News, just throwin em out there. --Effectofthemassvariety 04:16, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Getting back to this topic, I was thinking that I'd create the article under the title of News Stories because they are in game stories and there are two sections. I will provide a link to CDN and put a lik there as well for the ingame news stories. However I do think News Stories is good. Thoughts? Lancer1289 05:32, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that sounds pretty good. SpartHawg948 05:38, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright then, I'll put up the News page, and you can put up the entertainment page with an additional section for the ads. I think that is what we agreed on, right? Correct me if I'm worng. I'll get working on that now. Lancer1289 05:42, May 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Did you consider my suggestion for Citadel News? Or maybe Citadel News Reports? Just trying to make sure we have the best title. Regardless, I think your title would be fine. --Effectofthemassvariety 05:40, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * However the galactic news terminals are all over on the four major worlds, so News Stories is more appropiate. Lancer1289 05:42, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry forgot this, I did take you suggestions into consideration Effect, and after thinking about it, News Stories was more appropiate for the reasons I stated above. Also to prevent muiltiple articles. Lancer1289 05:49, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I understand the reasoning. Sounds good to me. :)--Effectofthemassvariety 05:58, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Hey just though I'd let you know that I just put the page up, News Stories, enjoy and contribute. Lancer1289 06:40, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Let us convene the third annual 'Bring Down Shadowdragon00000' meeting!
The rules are:
 * No talking(typing) unless it has something to do with scheming against Shadowdragon00000
 * We must all be evil

First off, I'd like to thank our founder, SpartHawg948, for hosting this meeting on his talk page. I'd also like to thank all the other conspirators and all-around evil users of the wiki for being here.

Now, to the first order of business: Persecuting Shadowdragon00000!!!

Now, ladies and gentlemen, I know that most of you are here, on the wiki, to persecute Shadowdragon00000. Our plans have been successful so far. We've reverted his edits, we've asked him to make sure he has concrete proof for things, and we've tried Oh-So-Nicely to get him to calm the hell down. All of these evil methods have managed to get him angry. All we have to do is continue on this EVIL road, and he'll be out of our hair in no time.

This concludes our third annual 'Bring Down Shadowdragon00000' meeting! Just a reminder, please remember to be EEEVVVVVVVIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLL, and, also, drive safely, and wear your seatbelts! --Effectofthemassvariety 01:29, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Huzzah! That was the best one yet! Aren't dark, shadowy, and downright nefarious conspiratorial meetings the best? Although, come to think of it, should we really be keeping a public record of this? Oops... :P SpartHawg948 01:36, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Serioiusly Effect, why don't just post the minutes while you are at it, and just blow the whole operation. Seriously, what happened to the vow of secrecy that we all took. Or did the two of you forget it? Lancer1289 01:42, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * What vow? I mean, oh, wait a minute... wah wah. :P SpartHawg948 01:48, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh Spart, you forgot it? "I vow to do my best to screw over Shadowdragon00000, to help others screw over Shadowdragon00000, to be all around evil, and to never post meeting summaries on public pages!" Wait... this is public? I meant to put this on the ultra secret page! I can't believe I made a blunder like this!--Effectofthemassvariety 01:57, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Curses and drat! I blame the evil lord Xenu for this! Surely Shadowdragonsomezeroes is in league with the evil lord! Quick, call Tom Cruise! :P SpartHawg948 02:00, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not even Tom Cruise can help us now! Quick, RUN TOWARDS THE STARGATE!! Let's get off this Planet before, well, something bad happens.--Effectofthemassvariety 02:08, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok Spart, you and me lay down covering fire, Effect dial the gate, and send the code. Tell the SGC we're coming in hot. Lancer1289 02:11, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Awesome! I've got my P90 locked and loaded! SpartHawg948 02:14, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Great. Now where did I leave that M249? Oh wait here it is. Lancer1289 02:18, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, Stargate SG-1. I miss that show. I also miss Stargate Atlantis. And it isn't Friday yet, so no new Stargate Universe. Now I feel sad... :( SpartHawg948 02:24, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * WHERE THE HELL IS DANIEL WHEN YOU NEED HIM!?!?! Luckily I have my SS ready!!! HA! Anywho, I must admit, I never really got into Atlantis. But, I find it an acceptable substitute for SG-1.--Effectofthemassvariety 02:31, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

You do know that Atlantis and SG-1 are on SYFY weekdays at 5 and 6 EST. I don't know about Pacific time, but I though I'd let you know. FOr me its 4 and 5 respectivly because I live in CST. Lancer1289 02:33, May 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * You lucky fellas, not all the seasons of Stargate SG-1 are screened here and no Stargate Atlantis here in my country :( Teugene 03:15, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then you have my simpathies. Stargate was a great movie and the TV series were even better. Again my simpathies Teugene. Lancer1289 03:47, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I enjoyed the movie and was a big fan of the SG-1 series. My support for the series was also influenced by the fact that Richard Anderson was also the actor for another favourite series &mdash; MacGyver! Teugene 04:07, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * O'neill Rocks!!! :P I think the first five seasons were down at my local Wal-Mart for $11 each. I have a plan to buy them one at a time, or something. What country are you from anyways Teugene? I mean, If you don't mind my asking. Also, I hope you know that writing on this topic makes you a co-conspirator of the 'Bring Down Shadowdragon00000' plot. :P --Effectofthemassvariety 04:11, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Indeed MacGyver was great, I really regret that I can't find it on TV anymore. It was a great series, and they make a few MacGyver jokes in SG-1. Inlcuding my favorite on the episode where Jack and Carter are trapped after they are thrown out of the Antartic Gate for the first time. See SG-1 Solitudes, and takle a look at the trivia section. On the sepecial features it was halarious. Lancer1289 04:14, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just kidding about the co-conspirator part. Also, Lancer, were you talking about the MacUseless thing? HA! That's hilarious.--Effectofthemassvariety 04:24, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also the we have a hot plate, some string, (can't remember the rest), build a nuclear reactor for [the love of pete]. Lancer1289 04:31, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yea, and the "I'm trapped in Antartica with MacGyver." Lancer1289 04:36, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Lancer: Yeap! it was the series to watch during those years, where every nerd aspires to be a Macgyver! EotMV (your name is pretty long!): I'm from Malaysia, and in contrary to the movie Entrapment, Kuala Lumpur, the capital city, isn't half metropolitan, half jungle! :) Oh, about being a co-conspirator, aren't we supposed to keep our identities a secret? Ssshh.. ;) Teugene 04:39, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly, which is why I said "just kidding." Wouldn't want to implicate a possible future spy... I mean... Damn, I always forget that this is public. ;) Also, yeah, Lancer said that same thing about my name earlier today. We've pretty much simplified it to Effect. I often wonder why I made it so long. :0 --Effectofthemassvariety 06:47, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hockey
Hey Spart since maybe you are following NHL hockey, personally I hope that the Sharks get their butts kicked on Sunday. Sorry but I to defend my hometown team. I live near Chicago so GO BLACKHAWKS! Lancer1289 07:16, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * And since my real hometown team is one of your division rivals (the Columbus Blue Jackets), I hope little Patty Kane and the rest of the Chickenhawks get their asses handed to them! And, judging by what we did to the Red Wings, that's just what'll happen! You guys struggled against Vancouver! I mean, seriously! Vancouver! Whereas the Sharks devastated the Wings. I think I'll stick with the Sharks, thank you very much! :) SpartHawg948 07:36, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I guess we will just have to see what happens. Personally I hope Chicago wins, but I think either way there will be at least 4 good games. Lancer1289 07:38, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * That there will be. I love the playoffs! SpartHawg948 07:47, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed Spart, indeed. Lancer1289 07:51, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well I think a 4-0 series says a lot. Anyway game three was great and so was the one today. It was a great series but Chicago goes to the Stanley Cup. That I am looking forward to. Now who will we play, Montreal or Philadelphia. Even though the Flyers have a 3-1 series, Montreal can still come back. Again a great four games. Lancer1289 02:44, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * :( I can't believe the Sharks destroyed the Wings only to get swept. Well, no offense, but it looks like I'm rooting for either the Habs or the Flyers. I just can't bring myself to root for a division rival. So, as much as it may pain me to say it, go whoever wins in the East! SpartHawg948 04:42, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

195.138.195.241 is vandalising
Sprat, 195.138.195.241 is vandalising. I reverted his vandalism on ME2 Guide page. Had to do it twice. Please take action. Braveangel 12:57, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

195.138.195.241 also vandalised ME Guide page. Somebody beat me to reverting the vandalism. Braveangel 13:02, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * The things you miss when you take a quick nap, anyway Spart, check the WHOIS after you ban him, apparenlty there is no one left in gov't with any sence. Lancer1289 14:50, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry forgot about this. Check out 212.219.101.41 as well. One small spot of vandalsim on the ME guide, but they are from the same place. Lancer1289 14:52, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are they now? And one is in the gov't, you say? Aside from the fact that I am with the gov't (which hopefully makes you want to add at least one exception to the no one in gov't with any sense comment! :P ) I may have to send some emails and make some inquiries like I did when that guy from CitiGroup was being an assface on the wiki using CitiGroup computers. SpartHawg948 18:22, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * No Spart, I was hoping you'd catch the joke. I was refering to the politicians who liek to talk mroe than do their jobs. Also i was refering to their secretaries and office workers who apparenty have way too much time on their hands. Sorry I'd though you'd catch the joke. Lancer1289 18:25, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, nvm. It's British gov't. Yeah, they're all animals. :P So, 1) I hope Tullis doesn't see what I just said! and 2) I may still make a few inquiring emails, see how their supervisors feel about a gov't official using their time in this manner. SpartHawg948 18:26, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, no worries. I wasn't miffed or offended or anything, just trying to be slightly humorous in my response as well. SpartHawg948 18:27, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Speeking gov't officials, did you see that news report on World News about a month ago about Securities and Exchange Commission employees using their government computers, on government and taxpayer time, to watch, images, see here for more. And we pay some of those people six-figure salaries? Lancer1289 18:35, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * A small number, but still. Lancer1289 18:36, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

I did in fact hear about that one. Some people. SpartHawg948 18:37, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * So I contacted the Medway Council in the UK, which is the government agency that this guy evidently works for. I don't expect to hear back right away (although the people from CitiGroup got back to me within 12 hours last time) but this one could get interesting. After all, they don't have the First Amendment or comparable protections on free speech in the United Kingdom. People can be arrested (and foreigners banned from entering the country) for saying things the government doesn't like. For example, a Baptist (I believe he was Baptist) minister was just arrested a week or so ago for expressing his opinion (in a private conversation, which a policeman just happened to overhear) that homosexuality is a sin. If someone can get arrested for stating this opinion in a private conversation, imagine what could happen to a government employee using government resources to say some of the things this vandal said. Could get mighty interesting. SpartHawg948 21:15, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * "For example, a Baptist (I believe he was Baptist) minister was just arrested a week or so ago for expressing his opinion (in a private conversation, which a policeman just happened to overhear) that homosexuality is a sin."That's depressing. Completely regardless of the topic and whatever someone's views on it are... Kobura 07:14, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. No offense to our British editors, but that's one reason I could never live in the United Kingdom. Any country without guaranteed constitutional protection of free speech, even speech that the government doesn't like, isn't somewhere I want to live. The prospect of being arrested for saying something that isn't 'politically correct' in a private conversation is terrifying. That's the sort of stuff that went on in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. And, like him or not (and I really don't), the fact that Michael Savage was banned from entering the UK simply for saying things on his radio show that the then-British government (the Labour gov't under Gordon Brown) didn't like is also pretty scary, even more so since he was pretty much the only person on the list who wasn't a murderer, a terrorist, or the leader of a hate group like the KKK. I love the Brits, but their government scares me sometimes. SpartHawg948 07:35, May 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Then, Spart, you'd be terrified living in my country. Until a few years ago, persons who say things the gov't doesn't like didn't get arrested. They disappeared. Inquiries to the police and military headquarters yielded nothing. The lucky families are those who later found the bodies of the missing relatives. The unlucky ones are still praying today for their missing ones. It's much freer now. But the shadows of the past loom large in the mind of many people. Braveangel 09:05, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

I dunno if I'd say terrified. There's a big difference in my mind between a government that claims to be one of the most democratic and liberal in the world while at the same time denying the basic right of free speech and falling back on hereditary aristocracy and royalty as the underpinnings of the system, and a government in which repression is rampant and people are 'disappeared' on a whim. One scares me because of the rampant hypocrisy and because I can kind of see similar patterns forming here. The other doesn't scare me at all. It fills me with anger and a desire to overthrow a repressive regime and cast off the shackles of oppression. Terrified? I don't think so. More like enraged. SpartHawg948 09:20, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

In my green and pleasant England we are so 'democratic' and 'free' that I was told to remove both a England flag from my house and then later a father Christmas picture from my window so as not to offend anyone's religious views, also saying anything slightly offensive about Islam is a grave offense mainly to non Islamic government workers, even if your bantaring with your Muslim mate ahhh I love democracy for example unelected PM's who then sign away the nations sovereignty to the European union (basically UK will soon be part of a EU state without a vote being made it was decided arbitarily, imagine Obama signing the US up to a north american union and where your constitution was changed and you were no longer american?) David Cameron may be a Tory (the poor like me are preparing for a hammering) at least under him true free speech and will hopefully be allowed again he may even reverse the Lisbon Treaty plus we voted for him (and the libs) though im still thankful for being here could be worse..(sorry for using your talk page for rant :S)78.86.241.5 06:49, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * The sad thing about that is that your comparison was a little off. Even if Obama did (or could possibly) do that, we actually elected him. It's a crazy, sad world we live in, isn't it? I honestly can't imagine living anywhere other than the U.S. for any lengthly amount of time. No matter how bad it gets, it could always be worse. --Effectofthemassvariety 07:04, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

No need to apologize for posting your views here. I'm just glad to see people having opinions about matters such as this. An informed electorate is a good electorate, whether it be in the USA or the UK! SpartHawg948 07:19, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

ME and ME2 Powers Pages
Hey Spart, I was looking around eariler and some of the pages that carry over from ME to ME2 have a header on them while others do not. See Warp, and then Singularity for the examples. What do you think we should do, because the headers look dumb and they really have no purpose. Lancer1289 01:05, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Remove the headers would be my vote. They look like a dumbed-down ToC. SpartHawg948 01:14, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll take care of it, no need for you to do so. Also I do agree that they look like a dumbed-down ToC. Lancer1289 01:16, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Nice Bio
I have to say, he wasn't my first choice but Zeppelin was truly a person who was ahead of his time. If the Hindenberg hadn't happened, I could see airships being around today. Zeppelin did a lot to further the advancement of flying (for lack of a better term) technology, and his airships live on as being a great invention. It's how we get some great overhead views at most of our major sports events. It really is to bad because if the Hindenberg hadn't happened, I could see flying across the ocean on an airship, and enjoying it. However I have to say that not giving helium to the Germans was probably a good idea at the time. Lancer1289 05:30, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also take one last look at my battle's talk page, thanks. Lancer1289 05:31, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Count Zeppelin certianly was fascinating. And I do think you are correct about the Hindenburg and it's impact on air travel. Zeppelins (or dirigibles, as we call them in the States) were much more fuel economical and had greater range and endurance than airplanes, although they were slower. Basically, they were flying ocean liners, and that's pretty cool! I do think I'll try and do some less modern people though, as everyone I've selected as been from the 19th and 20th centuries thus far. Plenty of awesome people from antiquity to choose from too! SpartHawg948 05:41, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed there is, like there are so many battles from there as well. Lancer1289 05:42, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

How 'bout that Roger Ebert character, eh?
Did you ever hear about this? It was about a month ago, but I just stumbled on something that re-ignited the frustration in my mind. He thinks video games can never be art. ...Huh? At first, I didn't really care as much, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized how absurd the idea is! I think that this article did a good job of proving a point against him. What did you think? --Effectofthemassvariety 22:32, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think Ebert is full of it. After all, what are video games but a new form of theater? Really, it's not his call to make, and his comments reflect a lack of actual historical knowledge. He just seems to be saying things to say them. After all, theater has, at many points in history, not been considered art. Oft times theater has been considered low-brow. And it isn't his place to comment on whether or not something that is contemporary to himself is or ever will be art. After all, many of the great works of art were not considered noteworthy in their own time. Look at Vincent van Gogh. His paintings were not at all popular in the time and place in which he lived and worked. These days, he is considered a genius, and his paintings some of the finest works of art out there. I think Ebert feels threatened by the emergence of this new field which is contributing heavily to his growing irrelevance, and he is lashing out at it out of fear and envy. SpartHawg948 00:58, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about that Spart, but games as an artform are up to the devolper. A game like Mass Effect feels like a modern day version of War of The Worlds or somfing. But a game like Postal is like a version of well... Postal the movie. It is soely based on Eberts opinion. Games can be whatever they want to be, and they can be art if someone put that much care into them.MEffect Fan 06:31, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)Exactly my point. But Ebert is saying that games are not and cannot be art, period. No matter how much care is put into them. And that's why I came to the conclusions that I enumerated upon. SpartHawg948 06:37, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I want to know if he's ever even tried to play a game like, for instance, Mass Effect. (unlikely) I dare say that no piece of art, be it painting, sculpture, theatre, or movie (aside from a few exceptions) has evoked more emotion in me than a video game where you become the character. Where you develop the story, and become invested in it so much. And aside from that, looking at video games from a purely aesthetic standpoint, todays level of realism, and character design is, in my veiw, art in and of itself. Maybe it's just the tendency of old people to hate everything young people do. :P --Effectofthemassvariety 06:36, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

True, my parents were never fans of the stuff played. Roger Ebert is just a guy who chooses movies over games and that is my conclusion.MEffect Fan 06:41, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * MEffect, you just said that video games can be art, if the developers put care into it. Ebert says that they are not art. A general, blanket statement like that is almost always a fallacy. --Effectofthemassvariety 06:46, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Jeez! I never see the edit conflicts. And when that happens, I just repeat what others say, and, well, you get it. ugh! --Effectofthemassvariety 06:51, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but my point is Roger has been reviewing movie for so long that he has never see a truly great game can be like a movie that you can direct, act, and star in like the Newly Released Red Dead Redemption, Mass Effect, GTA 4, and ect.

Ex-act-ly! He knows nothing about it, which is why he should keep his mouth shut about it. Also, on a side note, Red Dead Redemption looks SWEET!!! :)--Effectofthemassvariety 07:17, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Adept and Sentinel Guides (ME2)
Hey Spart could you revert the edits by 75.18.224.253. This person made a lot of edits that are counter to site policy and many of them are spelling edits, British to American. Also he changed a lot of links to avoid the redirects that we have, added a lot of unnecessary links, removed quite a few links to Wikipedia, and many grammar edits that after putting them though, make no sense. I know it is easier for admins to revert this edits so could you take a look and revert. Thanks. Lancer1289 17:54, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Spart, I was typing a little to fast and after double checking, I noticed that the Infiltrator Guide was edited by another user, and that all the edits were ok. Sorry for that. Lancer1289 18:03, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I dunno. I only saw four spelling edits, all of which were done in conjunction with other more constructive edits. And altering links as he did is fine, as it's not really the same as altering the link just to avoid a redirect. It's one thing to, for example, change Shepard to Commander Shepard for no real reason other than to avoid a redirect, and another thing entirely to alter a link so that it goes straight to the relevant portion of an article, such as the Adept Guide links for singularity now going straight to the ME2 portion of the singularity page, rather than just to the singularity page itself. And honestly, I think a lot of the grammar changes were spot on. Some pretty poor grammar was replaced with much more acceptable language. I agree, some of the edits were pointless and needless, but there are too many good edits made there too to just rollback all of it. And even the poor edits were done at the same time as good ones, so just undoing them on an individual basis isn't feasible either. SpartHawg948 18:42, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright then, thanks for looking. Lancer1289 18:49, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

No problemo. It's what I do. I actually saw most of the edits last night, but I'm always happy to take another look! :) SpartHawg948 18:53, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice
Im going to ask you any doubts i could have in adding new data to the wiki. Awesome! It's what I'm here for. I'm like Radio Shack- you've got questions, I've got answers. :) SpartHawg948 23:16, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

This site is getting harder to navigate
Truly, this site contains an amazing amount of information. But it is hard, so hard to navigate. If, for instance, I'm a newcomer to this site, how do I know that there is a page that acts as a TOC of all Powers in ME2? The site's TOC in the left frame is almost useless. Lately, I only use search to find the page I look for. In fact, other methods to find a page in this wikia is so convoluted. Don't you think it's time to have a more user-friendly TOC for this incredible site? (Note: I have put this in Lancer's talk page, but Teugene told me it's better to put this directly to you.) Braveangel 10:36, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I responded on my talk page but I'll say the same thing here. I do agree that the left hand menu is almost totally useless by now and needs an overhaul, fast. I have a few suggestions, and we really need some input on this. I know that admins are the only ones that can edit the left hand menu, so Spart, what do you think about an overhaul? Lancer1289 15:14, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I have no problems with that idea, but I'm really the wrong admin to be speaking to about it, as that kind of stuff isn't my strong suit. That'd be something to take up with DRY, or even better, with Tullis. SpartHawg948 18:51, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * It may also be a good idea to talk to some of the wikia staffers, such as JoePlay. SpartHawg948 19:18, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok then, I drop a message on both of their talk pages. Lancer1289 19:21, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Spart, After talking with JoePlay and DRY, I found that Tullis and Silverstrike had created a new sidebar, however it was never implemented. You can find the new menu here. We also have a section going on Silverstrike's talk page, and we would like to get an admin's input. I have already notified DRY and will be droping Tullis a line in a minute. Just would like to get some input here. Lancer1289 19:12, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Spart, after much discussion, the new menu is ready for implmentation. However because only admins can modify the section of the wiki that contains the sidebar menu, I was hoping you could help. Just let me know if you are willing to lend a hand to get this up. Lancer1289 20:28, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me put it to you this way- if I can figure it out, I'll be happy to do it. However, keep in mind that this type of stuff is not my strong suit, so you may have to talk real slow. I'm a bit of a noob. :) SpartHawg948 02:14, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well all you would have to do is basically copy paste, and change just a few things, small ones, and I'll be clear which ones. Lancer1289 02:16, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rog-o! SpartHawg948 02:19, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Ok I made it a little easier. I put up a copy in my sandbox eariler then deleted it, however it already had the changes. So I just put it back up and now you just need to do a few simple steps.

1. Open User:Lancer1289/Monaco-sidebar and MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar in seperate tabs.

2. Copy the information from my sandbox.

3. Select all the information in the MediaWiki tab and delete all the text. DO NOT SAVE THE PAGE YET

4. Paste the information from my sandbox into the MediaWiki article and hit preview. If it looks the same as my user page, then hit save page.

Basically all you are doing is overriding the information in the MediaWiki article with the stuff that Silverstrike and Tullis came up with. If you have any questions then let me know before you do it because I'll be happy to answer. Lancer1289 02:43, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Spart, you still willing to do this, or do I need to explain somehting better. Again just let me know. The only reason I'm not doing this myself is because only admins can modify the page. Lancer1289 03:56, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Not sure if it's clear enough yet. I'll be checking it out here momentarily. Right now it's time for some sustenance! :) SpartHawg948 05:16, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, just let me know. If I go to bed before you do so, I'll drop you a message before I log off for the night. Lancer1289 05:17, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

OK, did everything you described above. SpartHawg948 05:39, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed the menu is updated. However I guess we need time for it to take effect. I just loged out and back in and that didn't do it. Again I think it needs time to go debugging to fully take effect. I guess we will have to wait and see. If it doesn't take effect, then I'll contact JoePlay and see what's up. Lancer1289 05:51, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I checked too and nada. So yeah, hopefully soon it'll be up. We'll just have to wait and see... SpartHawg948 05:59, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well after reloging in this morning, I discovered the new sidebar was up and working. This issue can be put to bed. Lancer1289 15:55, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed! Awesome sauce! SpartHawg948 19:28, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Vandal
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Bignoah

He changed the entire Powers page to a single obscenity. I think a block is necessary. Phylarion 13:10, May 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow you got to him quickly :) He also vandalised the Defender (power) page as well. Bronzey 13:32, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's fast becoming a war here :D Braveangel 13:38, May 21, 2010 (UTC) And please also erase the pictures he uploaded, they're offensive. Braveangel 13:52, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Something that might interest you
Hey Spart, when I was browsing the morning news, I came across this article (article is on Yahoo news). Since you are in the military, Air Force not the Army, but still I though that this would interest you. Lancer1289 15:23, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Completely unnecessary article spotted
er sorry for this but I was unsure what to do upon seeing a new article which I would love to delete but I can't... so I thought I'd just bring it to your attention since you're the only moderator I know of on this wiki.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Planets_%28Mass_Effect_2%29 article can be found here. Sorry if this was like a massive waste of space on your page here. Draken-Korin 12:24, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea Spart, the planet only has one line and is utterly useless. Lancer1289 16:42, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Serious question
ok sparthawg i have a serious question, something that has been bothering me on the internet for a while, and i am asking you because you are the ONLY person i know that is actually smmarter than me. DOES mispelling words somehow invalidate any arguement that i make, i am constantly subject to this someone will say something stupid, i will respond, and then i will be berated because i failed at spelling a word and they will totally disregard anythign i said because of the mispelling

guy: tolkien didnt get this crap for writing thepotter series me: tolkien didnt write potter guy:i meant it as a joke and completely figuritively me:at no poinnt did you indicate that you were joking in any way shpe or form guy: what do you know, you cannot even spell shape.

So is there any valid reasoning behing this? ralok 23:16, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * To me ralok, it seems that when people are loosing an argument, they look for any excuse to try and strengthen their argument. I misspell things all the time and I don't care. Only when I have the upper hand, and in some cases, the high ground with a machine gun, so they start picking apart those things. Personally I see a misspelling as just someone typing too fast. I don't think that it weakens an arguement. However this is my opinion. Sorry Spart had to comment. Lancer1289 23:40, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

I concur. I may harp on spelling and all that, but it's more because of my personality and my professional training. Misspelling words does not automatically invalidate an argument. The only things that can automatically do that would be either a fallacious argument (such as basing an argument on ad hominem attacks or circular logic or something of that nature), or an incorrectly structured argument (and going after an argument based on its structure is getting pretty technical). Criticizing an argument on the basis of spelling is, quite frankly, BS. The only way someone could have a leg to stand on there is if they never make spelling errors, ever. Even I can't claim that, as I do make to occasional typo. If anything, you should tell the other guy- 'What do I know? Well, I know that attempting to dismiss my statement on the basis of one misspelled word is a logical fallacy. That's what I know.' See if that shuts his yap. SpartHawg948 23:50, May 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * That is what i should have done, but because i am an idiot i just posted a list of mispelled words to bother himm. Thanks for the input, knowing that other people have the sae opinion as me will help me sleep tonight ralok 00:06, May 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * He just went for the attack, he said that i was twelve, hiding behind my computer, trying to act cool and tough (tough is hardly relevent in a none physical arena, but to be clear I can move a couch without assistance and rip said couch in half)illiterate (a subject that i take VERY VERY seriously) uneducated, a hick, and unfit. WOW, the only way he could have gotten that much info was if he was projecting his own fears otherwise most of it was completely unwarranted ralok 00:22, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Wow. At that rate, I'm surprised he didn't also say that his dad could beat up yours. Some people. SpartHawg948 00:31, May 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the support in my time of need, i know it isnt your job and you have no obligation so it really helps knowing that you went out of your way to basically reasusre me that not all people are raving lunatics (this is not the first tie you have done this for me btw) and that indeed raving lunacy does not make sense. This kind of stuff it just bothers me. Now i am all angry at being accused of illiteracy, thats just not funny to me (one of the greatest shames in this world in my opinion is the amount of people that simply dont read) well at least i know i am dealing with a petty person and not a normal level headed guy. Its sad because i know that i have basically won this arguement at this point, but he doesnt know this so it feels somewhat hollow ralok 00:42, May 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK at this point i am clearly dealing with a crazy person, according to him i dropped out of school. Truthfll i am not attending any schooling right now but i certainly have never dropped out of any form of schooling, i always finish what i start in that area (even if it means threatening to bring the matter to court) ralok 01:06, May 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sometimes, the best is to let it drop and ignore him. Not worth spending your time on a guy who acts like a kid. It is easy for him to be uncivil behind the anonymity of the internet, but you do not need to stoop to his level :) Teugene 01:50, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Class Specific Guides
Hey Spart, When I was looking over the guides for Shepard's class, i.e. Adept Guide (Mass Effect 2), etc, I noticed some inconsistencies. I was thinking that the Vanguard Guide (Mass Effect 2) is probably the better example of how it should be done, with the main article links. Even the guides for the ME classes are horribly inconsistent. However I would like your opinion on the matter. Again I think the Vanguard Guide should be the best thing, and maybe I can write a guide for a section of the Style Guide for this. What do you think, becuase they are horribly inconsistent. I may not be able to get to this tonight however as I start summer classes tomorrow. However I think a new style guide section would be for the best. Again, I would like your opinion becuase this needs to be addressed. Lancer1289 04:03, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not now! Series finale of Lost is on! I have time for little things, but not serious issues that require my attention to be anywhere besides the TV! :P I'll look at it shortly, just not within the next two hours shortly. Also, summer classes already? I just had spring midterms two weeks ago, and summer classes don't start till the beginning of July. Wowee! SpartHawg948 04:46, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * No need to respond but I don't know where you go to college, but from your description you are on trimesters, while I am on semesters. So My spring classes ended two weeks ago, while yours don't get out until mid June, I think based on one of my friends who goes to a college using trimesters. Anyway I'll take a look at your response tomorrow. Enjoy your night and the Lost series finale. Lancer1289 04:50, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Quarters, actually, with fall, winter, and spring being about the same length and the summer quarter being a bit abbreviated. Not a bad guess though, although I'd much rather do quarters as opposed to trimesters. Get more done that way. Although the short summer quarters can kind of suck. Especially when taking a homework intensive class like the sociology course I took last summer. SpartHawg948 04:54, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Spart, did you take a look at the guides and what do you think, a reformat or a new seciton of the guide. I'll be happy to do it, just let me know what you think we should do. Lancer1289 19:49, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Haven't had a chance yet. I'm on my lunch break atm, I'll check it out after class this evening. SpartHawg948 21:52, May 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok... what do I think? Consistency in the guides would be nice, this is true. And I do prefer the Vanguard Guide, as it's more organized and structured. These are some of the more heavily trafficked and edited articles, so some more structure and organization would be nice, although they'd probably also have to be watched a little more, as again these are articles that are edited quite frequently, making them more prone to stray from the established standard. Now, with that being said, I'm nothing if not cautious when it comes to changing stuff like this. So, is there any way you could draw something up and let me and the other admins (if they so choose) take a look at it? Similar to what you did with the unique dialogue subpages? SpartHawg948 02:28, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea I can do that. Just give me about a day and I'll have it in my sandbox. I'll notify the three of you when it's done. However just take a look around noon tomorrow. Central time that is. Lancer1289 02:32, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Rog-O! I'm on PST, so that'd be 10am here, just in time for my morning survey of the wiki. SpartHawg948 02:33, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright then, take a look Class Guide Page for the version tomorrow. I had already created the page just in case. Anyway now to get to work and watch MacGyver in the background. I do like the fact that the library in my town has all of the seasons. Lancer1289 02:48, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Nice! Personally, I've been putting on Highlander in the background lately while doing my schoolwork. As they say, 'There can be only one!', although personally I prefer the version used by Captain Murphy (of Sealab 2021), 'There can be only none!' :P SpartHawg948 03:05, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Spart, just finished it and cleaned it up. Take a peak and feel free to modify anything you see fit. Again as with the other guide I wrote, you, Tullis, and DRY have permission to modify the page. Enjoy. I'll drop Tullis and DRY a message as well. Lancer1289 17:36, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rog-o! I'll take a peek in a bit. I'm running behind schedule because I'm feeling more than a bit under the weather today. Looks like no classes for me. :( SpartHawg948 20:44, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Spart, I'd like your opinion on two things when you get the time. I have finally finished the Class Guide Page and I'd like your opinion and any fixes you think are relevant. The second thing is from a suggestion from Teugene. I modified the Adept Guide for ME2 to include the class image that Dammej made. However I'd like your opinion on its placement. Personally I think it is fine but I'd like your opinion. This would be the last change for the guide on images and the opening paragraph. I'll wait on that one for some opinions. I'll drop DRY a message as well. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 04:24, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the guide... er, guide (guide style manual?) looks good. As for the image thing, the placement is good, just it seems to be the wrong image (a Sentinel image on the Adept page). Not sure if this was intentional or not. SpartHawg948 05:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry forgot to inform you about that. Currenlty we are having a talk about that on the article's talk page. The sentinel image is only a placeholder for now, until Dammej posts the adept one. Feel free to contribute to the discussion. Lancer1289 05:03, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rog-O! I figured it was likely intentional, as you don't strike me as one to miss that sort of thing, but I just wanted to make sure. SpartHawg948 05:06, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Articles
Hey Spart just two quick questions for you right now. One: Isn't it time to change the featured article? The Collectors have been up there for a while. Two: When I was looking at the Category:Featured Articles, I noticed we only have 25 featured articles. Since we have 1,705 articles, currently anyway, I was wondering if we should do something about adding more featured articles? There are some great articles out there. If there are some qualifications for a FA then please let me know because we go though that list pretty quickly. Lancer1289 00:39, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I missed the middle-of-the-month change, so now I'm waiting it out to just get it at the end of the month, i.e. Monday. I already have quite a few articles lined up, but more suggestions would be welcome. Give me a bit and I'll find the appropriate page link... SpartHawg948 01:14, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry I was a little confused on that one, but couldn't respond because of the database lockdown. But what did you mean by finding the appropiate link becuase that really confused me. I'll take a look around for some more articles. Lancer1289 02:59, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * The appropriate link for the talk page where this was discussed a while back and where people can nominate articles and whatnot. It's in my watchlist somewhere. SpartHawg948 03:02, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright then, just let me know because I have a few that I think are good ones. Don't worry not ones I wrote, but still ones that are good. However I don't have the list so I'll just have to wait and see if any of them are already on the list. Again just let me know. Lancer1289 03:05, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Mass Effect Wiki talk:Featured content/Full is the talk page, down at the bottom. I have a list of pages I'm working with at present, but could probably use more. Also, we've had more than 25 (we're in the 30s at present), they just aren't all categorized and whatnot. SpartHawg948 03:06, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright then I'll just take a look over the list and see if any of the pages I have listed and see if they are already there. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Lancer1289 03:11, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Edit Warring and Insulting other Users
Hey Spart could you do something about User:ChangerX. He is in an edit war with me on the Volus page, I don't care about caps right now. And is being insulting. He is arguing over a picture that is not better than the one it replaced and look at some of the edit summeries, very insulting. Please do something about this. Thanks. Lancer1289 01:04, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think his IP address is 76.246.41.158 based on the argument. Lancer1289 01:09, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also he appears to be using company computers, just take a look at WHOIS. Lancer1289 01:10, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Eletania and Oculus edits
I noticed you removed my additions to Eletania and Oculus, I just wondered why as I'd put them in trivia and theres nothing else seen in game thus far that remotely matches with "A single great eye opens on the underbelly, a glowing red orb. You try to run, but a finger of red light extends from the eye and engulfs you, and all goes black again" plusI even put the info in Trivia as to not suggest that it is completely accurate. Ilovetelephones 08:57, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing else seen in game this far even remotely matches, so it must automatically be an Oculus? That's a stretch. The artifact is Prothean. The trinket is Prothean. The data recorder embedded in the Cro-Magnon (sp?) is Prothean. There is no indication that the device described in the vision is not Prothean. The Oculus? Collector, or possibly Reaper. Which one of these things is not like the other? Based on the fact that there is nothing to indicate that the device seen in the Prothean recording of a Prothean implant, accessed using a Prothean device, is a Collector machine, it's speculation. SpartHawg948 09:06, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok I guess it falls into "Reasonable Doubt" and I admit that any reaction I give is circumstantial as the origins of the Oculus have never been mentioned, it could have been Prothean, Collector or Reaper. Just hope some light is shed on this in Mass Effect 3, thanks for answering. Ilovetelephones 10:09, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * You also have to figure that the red 'eye' described in the vision is described as being in the 'underbelly' of the machine, and the Oculus' red eye/laser is nowhere near anywhere that would generally be considered its underbelly. It's more in the nose/head area. SpartHawg948 19:12, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any aspect of the description is to vague to draw a conclusion, the Cro-man(sp?) clearly thought it was a 'creature' the underbelly may have just been a reference to the more vunerable underside of the oculus (which would have been the red eye as it was floating in the air when it was looking at him) Just as I could say "it has no head and no wings yet somehow it flies. It is a beast of shining silver; hanging motionless in the sky like a cloud" along with "A single great eye" would fit the oculus and you would say its speculative. Ilovetelephones 11:09, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Speculation on Eletania and Oculus link
Surely "The ruin found on Eletania is extremely similar to the relic found in the Firewalker DLC pack, possibly noting a correlation between the two." trivia in Eletania is about as speculative as my suggested -possible- link? Ilovetelephones 09:03, May 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * The link being they're BOTH Prothean? Phylarion 09:08, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Both devices (the Eletania device and the Firewalker device) are Prothean devices that are very similar in appearance. This would explain the 'extremely similar' part, and the possible correlation part as well. SpartHawg948 09:10, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, well said, Phylarion. And a bit more concise than my now redundant version as well! :P SpartHawg948 09:11, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Newly created page relevance
http://masseffect.wikia.com/index.php?title=Batarian_Trooper

An unregistered user made this page, but it seems like totally trivial and unnecessary information to me. Just thought I'd point it out. Phylarion 18:40, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the same thing--Effectofthemassvariety 18:43, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * The only thing I have against deleting it is that we have pages for every other kind of enemy. We have pages for Feral Hunters and the Bounty Hunter you encounter during Thane's recruitment mission. So maybe deletion isn't in order because of that. However we do have pages for the rest of the small time enemies, so I realy fail to see how this is any different. Lancer1289 18:47, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe a screen shot, or more info, or a cleaner looking page (or all of the above) would help it out a bit. --Effectofthemassvariety 19:02, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed a clean up wouldn't hurt, also I'll add the template for ME2 Adversaries. Lancer1289 19:07, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also the page needs to be moved. It should be Batarian Trooper, not Troopers. Lancer1289 19:10, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

ME/ME2 Split
Hey Spart, after reading the massive conversation on the ME/ME2 split, and adding to that we only have one out of many possible pages split, Assignments and Assignments (Mass Effect 2), the community's mind seems to be made up. The other pages that have been created have all either been turned into redircets or deleted all together. I think policy has been determined, so can we just turn the ME2 assignments page into a redirect and be done with this issue. I am starting to get really tired of the split tags at the tops of articles, especially when there is no reason. Lancer1289 06:16, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it seems safe to say that, for now at least, no split is planned. I'd have no objections to the split tags disappearing. SpartHawg948 06:20, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * What about the assignments page? I mean, a redirect isn't bad. Lancer1289 06:22, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, a redirect will work. SpartHawg948 06:23, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Roger Sarge, (Sorry couldn't resist), I'll get on it right away. Lancer1289 06:25, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, THANK YOU!!! Those tags were bugging me so bad!! :) --Effectofthemassvariety 06:27, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I got them all, but I will add a section to the style guide about splitting pages and how that we don't do it. But I want your opinion first Spart. Lancer1289 06:37, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

After some brainstorming, here is a seciton to add to the style guide, take a look here: Splitting Articles Along Game Lines. Again you have permission to modify the page. Currently I am tired so any improvements are welcome. Lancer1289 07:31, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Class Guide Logos
Hey Spart, we'd like a third opinion here. In my sandboxes, as you know I am rewriting the class guides, btw the style guide section is ready, so take a look. Currenlty I have two pages for the adept guide for ME2. Style One: Has an image with the ME Codex entry, and the ME2 pic from the BioWare site together. (see below) Style Two: has an image like the current one on the Sentinel Guide (Mass Effect 2) page. We'd really like your opinion on which seems better and I won't give you my opinion. Please take a look and comment on my talk page. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 22:21, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry but we changed the image back to a first attempt by Dammej. That is now Style One. We'd still like a third opinion on the matter, which is better, no scanline background or scanline background.

I prefer Style Two, personally. SpartHawg948 22:58, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, do you mind if I copy/paste your comment into my talk page. I am getting opinions from multiple users and I am creating a seperate secion on my talk page about it. However when I am done, I'll notify you if you want to post a new one. Lancer1289 23:02, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok just finished it. Could you either please copy/paste you comment, or make a new one. Thanks in advance Spart and I appoligize in advance for all the trouble. I'll be sending messages out shortly. Lancer1289 23:06, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for voting, however Dammej was working on another project that turned out great. I'd like ask you to check it out in his sandbox and comment on whether we should go with just the standard image, or the new ones on the article's talk page. Thanks again in advance. I know you are a little busy, but this is why I droped out of that conversation. Lancer1289 04:48, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

A longer (better?) apology
I really am sorry that I offended you. I almost never mean anything that I say in an insulting manner. Let me try to give some insight into why I said what I did. When I see someone argue for something passionately about something, I assume that they are indeed passionate about it. Most of the time when a friend of mine gets into an impassioned arguement, it's over minutia like, which word would be the best to use in a situation. It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but right there, in that argument, it means the world. Sometimes, it can be difficult to discern if they are "trolling" the argument just for arguments sake, or if they're getting actually worked up over it. Most of the time though, they believe with every fiber of their being that they are arguing for the good of all humanity.

In situations like this, I will rib them, claiming that they don't really care, they're just trolling. Of course that's not the case, they really do care about it. I know it, they know it. I saw a similar looking situation here, in this argument, so I made the comment, stupidly.

I tend to try to be buddy-buddy with everyone I meet. I will attempt to act like I'm best friends with anyone I ever can, because that usually gets to the end goal of them actually -being- the best friends ever. Obviously in this situation, I overstepped those bounds, and for that I am truly sorry. Obviously I cannot judge someone too well on the internet, since there are no non-"verbal" cues available to gauge a reaction. I hope that, despite the obvious err on my part, we can continue to work together to a productive end on this wiki. Thanks for reading. Dammej 07:03, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * If context like that had been offered, and I'd known how you were intending its use, I'd have been fine with it. But with no indication that the term troll was intended to be taken at anything other than face value, I took it at face value. I understand now that no offense was intended, and I thank you for taking the time and making this gesture. A lot of people wouldn't have bothered, so know that this is a much bigger positive in my book than any silly little insult would have been a negative. (Gee I sure hope that sentence reads somewhat clearly!) SpartHawg948 07:07, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for understanding. Dammej 07:14, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's something I do on occasion! :) SpartHawg948 07:20, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Vandal's back
77.97.168.145

You may have blocked him before, but he's back and re-vandalising, Chief Roe, Raloi, and YMIR Mech. Phylarion 12:03, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Raloi
Hey Spart, could you check the Raloi page again. A user just changed it, and I reverted it, however he insisted on reverting me. Personally I think the longer version, which was agreed on last night was better, however I'd like you to take a look when you get around to it. I am trying to avoid another argument. I am reverting it to the version that was agreed on and I'll leave messages on the talk page and in the edit summery about it. Lancer1289 19:28, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

That version was too wordy. A smaller, more concise and to the point version is better; Occam's razor. If you don't want to be involved in an argument, why make issue over nothing? NiRv4n4 19:36, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because that was the agreed upon version in the argument last night. It was agreed that that was good and they don't say the same thing. Spart just take a look and voice you opinion on the talk page. Thanks. Lancer1289 19:42, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

No, they really don't say the same thing. Also, thanks for the misuse of Occam's Razor. It'd been a few days since I'd seen anyone mangle it. Occam's Razor states (in a very concise nutshell) that the simplest solution to a problem is often the most likely. As you can see, that really doesn't apply here. And if it did, it seems that the version that the most people agreed upon (i.e. the longer version) would be the 'simplest solution', wouldn't it? Occam's Razor does not mean 'the most concise explanation is the most likely'. Were that the case, the trivia bit would say 'they used the wrong word'. There are some who allege that Occam's Razor demands simplicity and conciseness of (among other things) written explanation, but this is not the case. The principles that are mistakenly referred to in these cases as Occam's Razor were actually conceived by thinkers such as Da Vinci and Einstein, well after the death of William of Ockham (which brings me to another point, the correct spelling is Ockham's Razor, the commonly used Occam's being a debased version of the original name). For more, see Occam's Razor, particularly the sections on Applications and Variations. SpartHawg948 20:28, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry Spart, I forgot to tell you that I think the other user rage quit. Also isn't time you archive this page, I though you said you were going to do it. Lancer1289 20:31, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

I need to, I just don't want to. But I do really need to. SpartHawg948 20:33, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * He's Back. I guess he didn't rage quit after all. Just figured you should comment before I do. Lancer1289 22:16, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Damn you guys like to argue over minutia. and what does "rage quit" mean? You guys can be real assholes to people you disagree with. Noticed in on the raloi discussion page. NiRv4n4 22:19, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Real assholes, eh? Assholes how? Like vandalizing another users page just because they have the nerve to disagree with you on something? Talk about mature. Grow up, kid. This wiki is for big boys and girls who can stand a little bit of dissenting opinion without resorting to petty name-calling and childish acts of vandalism. SpartHawg948 00:20, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism Spree by NiRv4n4
Well it seems that civil just went out of the nearest airlock. Considering he is now insulting other users, in addition to vandalizing your user page, I don't care how long you ban him. Lancer1289 23:01, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Spart seriously get rid of this guy. Lancer1289 23:21, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

I second this, even though i have no power whatesoever. ralok 23:23, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Probably isn't on now Lancer, but we can hold this guy until he gets on. MEffect Fan 23:26, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, everyone has to duck out now and again. However after this is all over I propose we delete all the comments in that heading, as it just mostly one guy insulting others. Getting back to the matter at hand, man the defenses. Lancer1289 23:28, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I was at a Memorial Day BBQ. Good looking out though. I can't believe that this guy would resort to vandalizing another users talk page. Talk about juvenile behavior. SpartHawg948 00:21, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Stuff n' Things
^This. First off, noticed the table of contents or whatchamacallit on the left side of the page has been brought up to date. Of course, being my usual perfectionist self, I went through and checked all the new links, whereupon I discovered a few small errors ("Revenge" was misspelled, and there were a few DLC weapons that weren't linked). I've taken the section of the "code" with the errors and corrected it as seen below. Since I'm no admin, you'll have to go back to MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar and replace the whole Downloadable Content section with my corrected version, and the problem should be solved lickety-split.


 * Downloadable Content
 * Downloadable Content Guides | Mass Effect
 * Bring Down the Sky
 * Pinnacle Station (DLC) | Pinnacle Station
 * Mass Effect 2
 * Blood Dragon Armor
 * Collector Armor
 * Inferno Armor
 * Terminus Assault Armor
 * M-490 Blackstorm
 * Normandy Crash Site
 * Zaeed Massani | Zaeed - The Price of Revenge
 * Cerberus Assault Armor
 * M-22 Eviscerator
 * Arc Projector | Cerberus Arc Projector
 * Firewalker Pack (DLC) | Firewalker Pack
 * Alternate Appearance Pack
 * Kasumi Goto | Kasumi - Stolen Memory
 * Equalizer Pack
 * Overlord

Also, as I type these words I realize I had a few other things to bring up, but I can't remember what they were now. Hmm... I'll try and get back to you on that. Maybe. -- Commdor (Talk) 04:26, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, I just noticed that was my bad when I copy pasted it from Silverstrike's sandbox. However Tullis and Silverstike worked on this new sidebar a while ago, we just implemented it now. However after a lot of recent discussion, we came to an agreement that this would be good. Obviously as new DLC and news archives come up, we'll add them, but I am curious what you mean by other ideas. Lancer1289 04:36, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was just general stuff. I think I was going to suggest moving the What's New on the Wiki news on the Main Page into its own template, so that the template would be edited to update the news instead of the Main Page proper. Can't remember the other things. -- Commdor (Talk) 04:43, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally I think that it is great on the main page. However that is just me. Lancer1289 04:46, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Done, and it appears to have updated already, if the word 'Revenge' is any indicator. SpartHawg948 04:56, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I just remembered something else (and it's potentially a bigger issue). I was thinking that the DLC articles need to be rearranged. When looking at the DLC-related articles, we have a bunch of inconsistencies. There are some DLC items denoted by "(DLC)" in the title, like Firewalker Pack (DLC), but most aren't. Items like the Cerberus Assault Armor and M-22 Eviscerator have no overarching article for the pack they were released in (i.e. an article titled "Cerberus Weapon and Armor" for the actual downloadable pack, like what Firewalker Pack (DLC) is). What I want to do is bring this all in line by:

1. Either removing "(DLC)" from the titles of articles that have it, or adding it to all DLC articles.

2. Making new articles like "Zaeed - The Price of Revenge", "Cerberus Weapon and Armor", "Terminus Weapon and Armor" and so on where needed for the DLC packs that would link to the content of those packs.

So... this is definitely a project of a larger size. I figure the okay and advice of an admin on what steps to take is a must. -- Commdor (Talk) 05:11, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's my two cents on this. A page for the various DLC packs would, in my opinion, because they currenlty redirect to the article they reference. I.e. Kasumi and Zaeed. A page for the Cerberus Weapon and Armor wouldn't be bad either. However the rest is individiaul packs, and personally I think DLC, because they are weapons, or armor suits, would look bad, i.e. Collector Armor (DLC). I'm sorry but that looks bad for the title of an article. Having a page for a pack wtih only one item would also be a bad idea. However a page for the rest doesn't sound like a bad idea. Sorry I use i.e. a lot. Lancer1289 05:17, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought adding "(DLC)" to all the articles wouldn't be great either, but I'm trying to cover all the bases. Removing "(DLC)" would much easier anyway, since it looks like the only articles that have it are Firewalker Pack (DLC) and Pinnacle Station (DLC) (in PS's case, the article Pinnacle Station would be moved to "Pinnacle Station (location)"). As for the second bit, I don't think there are any packs with only one item that don't already have the right title. For example, Inferno Armor is good to go, and Arc Projector would only need the redirect "Cerberus Arc Projector". -- Commdor (Talk) 05:30, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, removing DLC would be easier however we need Spart's permission first. Acutally accroding to BioWare's site, the Arc Projector has an unkonwn manufacturer, check here to see. Yes I know it says common but still unknown.
 * So to summerize, removing DLC from the Firewalker and Pinniacle Station and Firewalker articles and moving the current Pinniacle station article to the proposed Pinnacle Station (location). We'd have to move the station first before the other two. Then creating an article for the Cerberus Weapons and Armor. Then we'd have to modify the menu again. But I think that is a great idea. Lancer1289 05:37, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. Sounds like an excellent idea. I love coming back after 40 minutes away and finding this stuff already fleshed out! :) SpartHawg948 05:50, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright then, I'll get on the moves and inform you when finished. Lancer1289 05:51, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Spart have a problem. There was already a redirect called Firewalker Pack. I just want your permission to move all the comments from the Talk:Firewalker Pack (DLC) to the Talk:Firewalker Pack page, and then turn those pages into redirects. Thanks in advance. Also like your permission to turn the Pinnacle Station (DLC) and its associated talk page into redirects. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 06:02, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for another message Spart but I am very tired and need to go to bed. If you want to take care of it then that is fine, or you can giv eme permission and I can do it in the morning. I already tried moving the articles however without deleting the redirects you can't. So either you can do it, or I can do it tomorrow. Sorry but I need some sleep, badly. Lancer1289 06:28, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rog-O! So Firewalker Pack DLC needs to be Firewalker Pack. Gotcha. SpartHawg948 06:29, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

OK, done. I also just noticed that sometime either today or yesterday I broke 7000 edits. Wowee! I'm catching up to Tullis! :) SpartHawg948 07:21, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

And I am catching up to you admins. I have nearly 4,800 edits. Anyway Spart we need to update the menu because I found a few things that need to be updated. Like before with Commdor all you need to do is copy paste. The reason I removed Cerberus from the Arc Projector link is becuase it has an unknown manfacturer. (see the link above). This new list contains all the packs as they appear on Cerberus Network to those who can access them. The Collector Armor and Weapon is a full pack and the same with the Terminus armor and weapon. So I created the pages for them and the rest of the DLC packs. Also, thanks for moving those last night and I know you won't see this until much later tonight, but I figured I should let you know that this is the last thing in what I have come to call the DLC overhaul project. I have already updated the Cerberus DLC Footer and created all the packs. Again just copy paste is what is needed. Thanks again Spart. Yes this was modified after I had time to take a look at it. Lancer1289 21:31, June 1, 2010 (UTC) (Modified Lancer1289 21:36, June 1, 2010 (UTC))
 * Downloadable Content
 * Downloadable Content Guides | Mass Effect
 * Bring Down the Sky
 * Pinnacle Station
 * Mass Effect 2
 * Blood Dragon Armor
 * Inferno Armor
 * Terminus Weapon and Armor
 * Collectors' Weapon and Armor
 * Normandy Crash Site
 * Zaeed - The Price of Revenge
 * Cerberus Weapon and Armor
 * Arc Projector
 * Firewalker Pack
 * Alternate Appearance Pack
 * Kasumi - Stolen Memory
 * Equalizer Pack
 * Overlord


 * Well, color me amazed. I turn my back long enough to sleep and go to classes, and I return to find this whole DLC revamp apparently done. I feel somewhat guilty now, suggesting a project I contributed almost nothing to and someone else ended up slaving over. Quite the work ethic you've got there Lancer, I'm surprised you're not an admin yourself. I suppose I'll go off somewhere and act sheepish for a bit. Possibly start a blog about today's hubbub and why it isn't a death sentence for ME (if apathy doesn't win out, I never get around to starting blogs about anything). -- Commdor (Talk) 22:03, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Commdor, no need to beat yourslef up over it. I really don't mind that I did it all, I have done a lot of projects like this by myself and this was small compared to writing those walkthough articles and rewriting the ME guide. As to my work ethic, I had little else to do at the moment, mainly just research for a project for my summer class, which got boring quikcly, after finding 5 aritcles and a book that will be a great help. You helped by sorting out what needed to be done and I just followed that. No need to feel guilty about not creating articles or editing current ones. You helped sort out what needed to be done, and as I have learned, that is just half the battle. Lancer1289 22:14, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah, I was just being dramatic. I've got to say though, my afternoon schedule's been freed up now. That's something to thank you for. -- Commdor (Talk) 22:24, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Crimeny! Enough with the changes! :P No worries, I'll pop this one in here in a sec too. SpartHawg948 04:27, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry Spart for all the changes, just working towards a better site for all. Well at least this project is over and we set a president for new DLC packs. Overall I'd say this was a very productive conversation and a productive day. Well for me anyway. Lancer1289 04:33, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Power Table Template Unification Project
I've been working on, for lack of a better term, a "Power Table Template Unification Project". Right now there are 4 seperate templates to display a table of talents/powers. These are all very similar, but aren't -exactly- the same. And even if they were all the same, I still consider it a problem, since a change to displaying powers would require changing 4 different templates instead of just one. So I've been working to fix that by making one template that could handle all 4 different uses (Namely, ME Squadmate, ME Class, ME2 Squadmate, ME2 Class). My current work can be found at my sandbox here. I was hoping I could get your comment on the project, and whether you think the change is worth it, and any further changes to the template that you'd recommend. I think it's pretty flexible already, but I'm always open to comments. Thanks! Dammej 05:35, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it's a formality at this point, but I figured I'd drop a line here anyway. The massive overhaul of the template should be pretty much done now, so I invite you to take a look. The visual look hasn't changed too much, but I still want to get some sort of consensus on this. :) Thanks! Dammej 02:05, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

64.222.96.29
Spart, if you are on could you help me with this. This user came on, violated the spelling rule, and then proceeded to argue with me over it and I violated the rule reverting him.

Also he is in an argument over Kaidan Alenko's page. The issue is trivial and his addition downplays the side effects of the L2 implantes. Also just to note that hasn't been changed since the article was created in 2007. So he is the only one with an issue with it. Lancer1289 01:43, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, you actually ran off and told on me..... I thought the rule didn't make much sense, and the Kaidan Alenko issue, I do not even see why you have any issue with it at all. Maybe you just don't like IPs, I get that vibe at a lot of wikis. 64.222.96.29 01:46, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please don't talk down to or degrade other users by saying things like 'Wow, you actually ran off and told on me'. This isn't the third grade. 'Telling' really doesn't exist around here, certianly not in this context. All Lancer's post did was ensure I learned about this about 45 seconds earlier than I would have otherwise. Bringing a potential problem to an admins attention is not wrong, and should not be treated as such. After all, we are expected to be the arbiters of these sorts of situations. As for not liking IPs, you have to realize that 95% of all problem users (vandals and the like) are unregistered IP users. So it's not that anyone 'dislikes' IP users, but when the first thing someone sees from an IP account is a violation of site policy, there's going to be a level of suspicion/skepticism. I suspect this leeriness of unregistered users is why you 'get that vibe' on other wikis. Of course, all that could be erased by simply creating an account... SpartHawg948 02:33, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I like how to gave me some publicity on you user page. Not that I really believe in the notion "any publicity is good publicity". And I just thought that Lancer's manner seemed snide and looking for a problem. I may be wrong, but that is how I feel. 64.222.96.29 02:35, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Again though, please express you feelings in a way less derogatory to other users if possible. And third grade language like 'you told on me' is a pet peeve of mine. We're all mature adults, right? If so, let's take this conversation off the playground and talk like grownups. Lancer was simply asking for an admin to review something. That's all. Nothing provocative there. The reason I make this request is because this site does have a policy against using rude or insulting language towards other users, and while accusing someone of 'telling on you' isn't really serious, I've seen conversations start off like that and then snowball real fast, so I'm trying to nip this one in the bud. SpartHawg948 02:49, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

When I said that, I basically meant that I didn't really see the need for such a small matter to be taken to a higher authority. I thought it was sort of odd that Lancer decided to bring this up to you so quickly. 64.222.96.29 04:15, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Again, it wasn't really a huge deal, I've just seen a few instances where things like this started minor and then snowballed, and wanted to make sure this wouldn't be one. I'm glad that it's not the case this time. :) SpartHawg948 04:44, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * That is exactly what I was trying to avoid. Even recently, how have these small things blow up in our faces. I can point to at least 4 instances where this has happened. I just trying to prevent this from becoming another one of those instances. Well this one ended civily, unlike those other 4 I quoted. Lancer1289 04:54, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Spart just as a quick side note, I'll give you one guess to who changed lucky to fortunate. Although I think you alredy know who. Lancer1289 02:37, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, that is sort of a no brainer. "Lucky" isn't really an encyclopedia quality word. Fortunate means basically the same thing, without the informal connotations. Still, an edit that helped the article. 64.222.96.29 02:39, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

ME2 Passive Power Pages
Hey spart. While I was working on my "Template Unification Project" (Which is pretty much done, btw. Check it out! Using the templates should be much easier now), I noticed that all the passive powers for ME2 have pages with (power) after them to disambiguate them, even if they don't need it. I already added the Move template to all of the Class passive powers pages that would need it. After I did that, I noticed that every single squad-member for Mass Effect 2 also has a similar problem with their passive powers as well. (E.g. Turian Rebel (power), and (Drell Assassin (power)).

Some of them need the disambiguation, but by and large, most do not. I would have added the move template to the other passive powers that needed it, but I started to doubt if it was really a problem, since there were so many of them. Was hoping to get your input on this. Thanks! Dammej 05:08, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with the pages being moved. The (power) doesn't really seem necessary, and I'm all for removing redundant or unnecessary stuff. SpartHawg948 06:29, June 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was the one who initially moved the ME2 class passive powers into its own page with "(power)". The reason behind this is to ensure consistent page naming across the ME2 character class powers (Eg: Ardat-Yakshi and Subject Zero has existing pages already, hence the "(power)" disambiguation), and also to allow any possible future characters to take up those pages (what if there could be an unnamed drell called "Drell Assassin", etc, etc). I may be jumping ahead of myself with the disambiguation, but I am doing it for consistency's sake (and possibly in anticipation of future instalments of ME). Although I admit I'm not sure if that's a (good) practice in wiki in general. Teugene 05:45, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I see what you're saying, but that line of thinking doesn't really jive, to me at least. For example- on the lines of consistency, if we were to apply this standard consistently, then Mass Effect would have to be renamed Mass Effect (game). After all, there are multiple things named Mass Effect. I'm fine with (power) being used on a case-by-case basis (as in the case of Ardat-Yakshi), but it doesn't seem necessary to do it every time, whether or not it's needed. I'd prefer doing it more along the lines of how wikipedia does it, i.e. only adding (power) when it is needed to distinguish it from something else that already shares its name. As for the possibility that, sometime, at some point in the future, there could be characters or adversaries in-game that have the same name, and we should plan accordingly, this also doesn't seem to hold any water. If in the future such foes do appear, it's a simple matter to move the page from 'drell assassin' to 'drell assassin (power)'. Hedging bets that sometime in the future this may come to pass is, quite frankly, speculation, and you know how I feel about that. SpartHawg948 06:19, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well when you put it in that prespective Spart, I tend to agree. We all know how you feel about speculation, so please ignore my now striked out comment below. I do tend to thing the case by case thing works, it has in the past, mostly, so it should work here. Anyway that is my new opinion on the subject. Do you think we should move them now or wait? Lancer1289 06:23, June 4, 2010 (UTC) Sorry about the massive strike out Spart, my bad. Lancer1289 06:28, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I forgot to comment on this eariler, but I agree with Teugene. The rest have (power) in their names, so I see it as a consistencey thing. Also another reason I see for the power is that they aren't classes as they are in ME. After UNC: Rogue VI, you are allowed to choose a specialization class, which have their pages and are named the same as the character classes. In ME2 they are just powers, so my opinion is that they should be left as is. Lancer1289 05:53, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

No worries! :) SpartHawg948 06:32, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * To my last question, do you think we should move the appropiate pages now or wait a few more days? Lancer1289 06:34, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, missed that question. I see no reason they shouldn't be moved now. If opinion shifts and it looks like moving is not the way to go, they can always be moved back. SpartHawg948 07:33, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand that part about it bordering on speculation, though planning ahead and disambiguating now wouldn't be exactly be speculation? I also thought disambiguate it would also help in semantics of the page, (like if searching for Justicar/Asari Justicar?) and lessen any potential issues (external links?) from a new release (like when ME2 was released). So I've laid down my points, but if the consensus is on shifting the pages, I have no objections. Teugene 07:06, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, I see your points, but I'm trying to avoid disambiguating needlessly, or to put it another way, disambiguating for the sake of disambiguating. Again, I prefer the wikipedia style, i.e. not getting too specific and disambiguating until there is a need to. SpartHawg948 07:33, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * If this is the route to go, let's get moving (pun intended) then! Teugene 07:41, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

(edit x2)Sorry to have dropped out of the conversation. I pointed something out and then ran away. I'm such a nice guy. :)

Anyway, since the you guys seem to be all for it, I went ahead and did the moves. Sorry if I stepped on any toes here.

For my future reference, what is the proper way to go about bringing this up? Should I have added the Move tag to all those pages? In this case it seemed pretty cut-and-dry, but other renames would potentially have created more debate. Thanks in advance for the advice. Dammej 07:51, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow I propose something, and it all happens when after I go to sleep. Oh well, at least I got the ball rolling on this one. Also this is probably a good way to go about something like this. When there are large moves that deal with a number of articles, asking an admin is probably the best way to go about it. For moving individual pages, a move tag is enough. Or at least that has worked for me in the past. Lancer1289 14:18, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!
I verily appreciate it. I have some experience with other wikis (Halo wiki, Fallout wiki, TVTropes wiki), so hopefully I can make some meaningful contributions here. God bless! Dracosummoner 14:22, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed! And thank you for using the word verily! That is just plain outstanding! Welcome to the wiki! :) SpartHawg948 19:42, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Rachni Queen
Why did you change my edit? The turian counciler said "do you take pleasure in comiting genocide, Shepard?"

Link here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl8rTrl4XZA

Saltpeter1 01:24, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since I wrote that overlong article, here is my thing. If you kill the queen I the turian counciler, to me is cracking a joke. However that video doesn't show the whole conversation, only the player cutting it short. If you press the matter, carry on the converstation, all three will be very grateful and frankly thankful that the rachni are finally destroyed for good. The genocide thing is more of the turian showing his distrust, at the renegade decision, and, IMHO, distain towards Shepard, for more reasons than one. Lancer1289 01:29, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * (Edit Conflict) The turian counselor just hate Shepard, humans, or he's just annoyed that he was "bullied" into giving his vote in favor of Shepard becoming a Specter. In almost every conversation with the council he will have something to say against the player, regardless of the action taken. --silverstrike 01:36, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * But the players should still know that the turian counciler shows his distrust, and then the post should say "if you press them then the'll be grateful" or somthing to that effect.
 * Saltpeter1 01:34, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * To me that is so obvious that he mistrusts Shepard, based on all the other debriefings, and this one is no different. I think it should stay as it. And I'm pretty sure at this point that Spart has at least two edit conflicts. Lancer1289 01:37, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Didn't see silverstrike there, anyway I agree. He just looking, it seems, for any excuse to berate Shepard for his/her actions. (Sorry counldn't word that better.) This example is no different. Lancer1289 01:38, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * To me that is so obvious that he mistrusts Shepard, based on all the other debriefings, and this one is no different. I think it should stay as it. And I'm pretty sure at this point that Spart has at least two edit conflicts. Lancer1289 01:37, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Didn't see silverstrike there, anyway I agree. He just looking, it seems, for any excuse to berate Shepard for his/her actions. (Sorry counldn't word that better.) This example is no different. Lancer1289 01:38, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Coming into this conversation a bit late, but you did read my edit summary, right Salpeter1? If so, I don't see why you'd need to ask why I changed your edit, as I explained it all in the summary. SpartHawg948 02:02, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

I did not read it, were can I find the edit summary?

Saltpeter1 02:10, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Either by looking at the Recent changes page, which contains edit summaries, or by looking at the history of the page (in this case, [], although it's easy to get to by just going to the article and clicking the 'History' tab at the top). 90% of the time I leave an edit summary explaining why I made an edit, as I did this time. SpartHawg948 02:13, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, i'll be sure to read them both and if there's something I come across and don't understand i'll let you know.

Multi-Page Articles
You might remember from a couple of months ago a proposal I made to standardize the navigation of multi-page articles like the Storyline and other progressive assignments and missions. I since then made a few changes to the layout and usage of the template that is now being discussed on the MoS/General page.

I would appreciate any input you can offer. Thanks :) --silverstrike 16:56, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Xuebao2010
Hey Spart, I think this guy needs a ban. While it doesn't show it, the current article is the second spam article this guy has created. I contacted JoePlay about a spam article that was deleted on May 26, 2010 by Ose, (yes i know it it is a red link), however he is on the Spam Task Force. I asked JoePlay about it, and while a misunderstanding, mainly on my part, see my talk page for more on that, he gave me the name of the user that created the page, this guy. That is also how I found out about Ose and the Spam Task Force. Anyway I think you need to ban this guy and I'll drop JoePlay about a second spam article by this guy. Anyway I figured I'd let you know. Lancer1289 05:42, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Spart, this guy is a real tool I found this same article across at least 7 other wikis. I have taken the liberty of informing JoePlay and I sent an Email to the staff, because they really need to know about this. See JoePlay's talk page for just how many I have found. Lancer1289 06:41, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Banned the user and deleted the page. Wow. Just when you thought you'd seen it all, you get an article about 2011 wedding dress trends... On a related note, I really need to start archive #3, post haste. SpartHawg948 06:52, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, just when you thought you had seen it all, something like this comes up. I thought informing the staff, especially in this case, was very appropiate. Sorry just had to comment about this, anyway looking forwad to your shorter talk page. Lancer1289 07:03, June 5, 2010 (UTC)