User talk:Commdor

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Who gets the pictures again?
For the MP characters and guns, I mean...--TW6464 (talk) 16:34, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * There hasn't been any one person who regularly handles them. It's still pretty early after the DLC's release, I'm sure the images will be uploaded over the next few days, if not today. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:50, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks--TW6464 (talk) 17:56, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Question about MP challenges
Is there any achievement in MP challenges about new DLC Reckoning? Previous DLC like this have such achievements, I mean Resurgence Mastery, Rebellion Mastery, Earth Mastery, Retaliation Mastery. Some weapons are associated with salarians, quarians, geth and blood pack, are they added to old challanges like Commando Mastery, Mashine Mastery or Bloodpack Mastery? Just questions made from my curiocity.62.87.147.163 23:44, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * There might be new multiplayer Challenges for the Reckoning weapons and characters, but I haven't checked. -- Commdor (Talk) 02:21, February 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * There are indeed. Punisher is Reckoning Mastery. Lksdjf (talk) 03:16, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * I checked already, shame Reckoning Mastery doesn't count as part of Mass Effect Mastery, I hoped it can be a substitute for Solo Mastery (I suck on this), I also hoped Venom will be a part of Commando Mastery, because it's easier than playing 20 times by same character for 200 waves.78.8.105.192 06:25, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

E-mail
Hey, just to let you know I have replied to your e-mail. Sorry it took awhile. TheUnknown285 (talk) 17:43, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Reverts on biotic focus, poison strike, elite mercenary and omni-bow mastery
You clearly have no idea how calculations work or even tried looking at the screens. I set the values to the base cooldowns and you reverted them? I can see why people laugh at ME wiki when it comes to stat accuracy.


 * Your edits (I assume they were yours, although they were made under a different IP address) were poorly formatted and removed some content. Since you didn't explain in the edit summaries what your edits were intended to do and I had no reason to believe the previous versions were incorrect, I reverted the changes. Feel free to re-add your edits if they are correct, but please make sure you leave the descriptor words ("seconds", etc.) intact. -- Commdor (Talk) 07:39, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

I suggest that you look at the manual of style in which I followed http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect_Wiki:Manual_of_Style/Powers#Mass_Effect_3 I also clearly remember another admin saying to not add anything which is not displayed in the power screens in game, which in the case for Poison Strike, there is no "seconds" value listed for poison duration. Ironically that is something added without any source and is based on presumed values. I'm not going to bother making the edits again in case some other admin reverts it again or says that there is no source for these data.


 * You're right, those terms are not called for by the MoS. I stand corrected, and I apologize for any inconvenience my caution may have caused. I would re-add your edits myself, but I'd have to check your info against the game (since I would be the person effectively making these changes, I would have to be able to back them up on my own if need be), and I won't have a chance to do that until much later. Again, if you can vouch that the info in your edits is correct, you're more than welcome to re-add them. -- Commdor (Talk) 09:01, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

I can say for certain that the base cooldown for Biotic Focus is correct, that most of your values were wrong for Omni-Bow Mastery, that you are right for the charge generation of Elite Mercenary, and that POison Strike's values are correct. However, for Poison Strike, all there is is a number. Let's hike that number up from seconds to minutes. Does that seem reasonable? What would need that much poison damage to kill? How about hiking it down from seconds to deciseconds, or centiseconds? That makes no sense, right? It's downright useless at that point. Seconds becomes the logical unit of measure, especially given that every other duration value in the game is in the unit of seconds. Lksdjf (talk) 09:08, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

My omni-bow mastery values were wrong? Don't make me laugh. You better double check your data. For poison strike poison duration, logical deductions have no place in here, only proof. 220.255.2.147 10:34, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

I just corrected the values, and you did indeed add Durability values wrong. The maximum is 65%. I'm surprised that you missed the error in Fitness Expert as well. As for Poison Strike, you're welcome to take off the seconds, but remember that this is for other people to read, not for us to be prissy about exact rules. Rules are bent all the time when the developers miss things, and they can be amended when the need arises.

Also, a joke for his/her royal majesty: A horse walks into a bar. The bartender asks, "Why the long face?"

Seriously though, you don't seem like a pleasant kind of person.Lksdjf (talk) 10:59, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

I feel that I should apologise for the spiteful comments that were made in the preceding conversations. I was initially frustrated that my edits were reverted for seemingly no explanation and then took advantage of being anonymous to vent it. You and Commdor have been remarkably accommodating. Again, sorry for all that. Corlist (talk) 11:15, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry
I know I haven't been on as much lately, but I can't seem to stay logged in for any protracted period of time and any time I exit my browser, it logs me out and it takes a lot of time to get back logged in. I'm sending an email to Wikia about it, but I can't seem to resolve this issue. Lancer1289 (talk) 01:00, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * No problem. Hope you get that issue fixed soon, we got to hit the trail hard tomorrow to cover the Citadel DLC. -- Commdor (Talk) 02:31, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I should be writing
Well, it seems that fate, or rather Mother Nature had intervened. My college was closed today due to the 5-9+ inches of snow that is expected to fall on the Chicagoland area. It wasn't snowing this morning, but right now, it is coming down at about an inch an hour. I will need to step out in about 3 hours for an hour to do some snowblowing.

I should be starting to write the walkthrough in an hour as I need to eat lunch and I need to download the 4 GB pack. I should have it up by this evening. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:01, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

2 Link and no pictures
Because Maya nad Wrex are temporary characters of ME:Citadel, I added links to them on page ME3 chars in point temporary characters. Yet I didn't add pictures, but I 'll try.78.8.107.181 18:02, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't unless I make an account, but I'm not going to do this, I have 5 different accounts and that's enough for me.78.8.107.181 18:10, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * I added temp companions and adverasires in more right order. Images are temporary. 78.8.107.181 20:50, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Armax Combat Arena
Just checking but is that page supposed to simply redirect to the DLC page? Should there not be info on that location? Hefe (talk) 20:30, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's a redirect until we get more information (which should be soon). It can be converted to a full article if all of the information on it can't be covered in the Silversun Strip article. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:32, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Roger. Thanks. Hefe (talk) 20:36, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

please...
In the name of all things good and holy, please delete this!--TW6464 (talk) 12:44, March 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * The whole blog, or just the most recent comment? The link you've posted goes to the comment section of the blog. -- Commdor (Talk) 14:11, March 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * the Whole Darn Blog. Please.--TW6464 (talk) 14:12, March 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Done. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:12, March 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * thank you... The nightmare is over...--TW6464 (talk) 16:14, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Mass Relays Proposal
Hey, when you get a minute, could you take another look at my proposal to reorganize and add to the mass relays list? I've made updates to both the list and the proposal. I'd like to see if you had anymore suggestions before I put it to a vote. Also, is there a way to strike-through text? I'd like to strike-through the old version of the proposal. Thanks. TheUnknown285 (talk) 22:51, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Just bumping this for your attention. I know there's a lot going on right now, so you've no doubt missed it in the shuffle. TheUnknown285 (talk) 17:33, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Chat mod position.
I had some questions about the position I have just been given - namely if there are any extra wikia controls I can now use, for example to kick a person from chat, drop a warning message on their talk page, etc. Just that if there are I would need to know how to use them.

And thanks again for giving me the position. Garhdo (talk) 09:43, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I recommend asking Legionwrex for more details, he's got more experience with Chat than me (I've never had occasion to kick or block someone from Chat). As far as I know, you can kick and ban users from Chat while using the Chat! Live feature, the options should appear as links associated with individual users. You can also ban a user for Chat on the wiki itself by going to that user's Contributions page and selecting the "Ban from chat" link at the top of the page. -- Commdor (Talk) 17:43, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

female versions of the cerberus armax armors
can i up some of them for a change

since the descriptions talk about "phantoms" and all

let's break perceived consistency for once, manshep's not the only hero of the galaxy T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 16:41, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I would certainly welcome it. Trandra (talk) 17:00, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hmm... Maybe I'm a little groggy from finally getting a chance to sleep more than five hours, but I'm not entirely sure what this is all about... Can y'all clarify? -- Commdor (Talk) 17:39, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * uploading female versions of the cerberus armax armors for display instead of the usual male ones. because, well, it kinda fits with what first comes to mind when the word "phantom" in a mass effect context is used (kai leng's upgrades come at a distant second and "phantom" does certainly come up in the armors' descriptions). not to mention we could certainly use some more curves. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 17:49, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * (Edit conflict) All of the current armor pictures are of male Shepard. Frankly, we should redo the armor pages to show both male and female versions (maybe something rotating, like the tag), but I'd have to learn some JavaScript. :P Trandra (talk) 17:51, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. That'll take some doing, I expect, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. The question is how wide to make the scope: are we going to need female Shepard images for all armor sets in ME3? And armor parts? And sets and parts in ME2? And possibly even for the ME armors? This could be a project of non-negligible size. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:02, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * currently scavenging other wikis for ideas to steal, saw something on the bleach wiki that might warrant some scrutiny. visual result is that you have a pre-timeskip pic of kenpachi and a post-timeskip one. the source codes are right there in the preformatted sections, the only thing that needed doing is probably "redesigning" to conform to the MEwiki look.


 * as to the scope, it's easy enough to obtain everything from ME2/ME3 since they share mostly the same display aesthetics (front-back although if needed be we can add SIDES). ME classic armor pages probably can wait, we have examples of male and female armors there (though frontals only, no back views). T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 18:24, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Interesting...that JS for "Toggle" could conceivably be used for the images and re-purposed for spoilers, like on the DA Wiki (if the community agreed on it). I'd still have to learn a little JS, but having something existing would make it easier. Trandra (talk) 23:13, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Except that there are plenty of reasons why it has been brought up and rejected in the past. The first just being accessibility. I am sick and tired of going to the DA wiki and having to click 15 times to get all of the information in the article. It is frustrating to say the least. Not to mention that numerous users have been opposed to it in the past for the same reasons. We have spoiler tags for a reason. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:44, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Question
Should the romance aspects of the DLC be mentioned solely in the Romance section of the characters or mentioned solely in the ME3: Citadel section or both? As Garhdo removed the romance aspects of the DLC to the Romance section for Garrus. I just wanted to double check with you if that's ok.Typhoonstorm95 (talk) 01:10, March 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Any content that's only accessible through the DLC should be noted in the relevant DLC sections. So here, any romance moments in ME3: Citadel belong under the ME3: Citadel section, not the Romance section (which is reserved for romance content encountered in the base game). -- Commdor (Talk) 01:13, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, thanks Commdor for answering my question. I thought that would be the answer, but I wanted to make sure.Typhoonstorm95 (talk) 01:19, March 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * didn't realise that, my bad. Although Commdor I do have to wonder if the romance content added from Citadel should be within the Romance section, just as Liara's content from Shadow Broker is in hers? Garhdo (talk) 04:48, March 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Liara's LotSB romance content is placed under a second Romance subsection of the Mass Effect 2 section of her article (the first Romance subsection covers her base game romance interactions for ME2). Depending on the volume of content we end up adding to the relevant character articles from ME3: Citadel, we may or may not decide to do the same thing for those characters. -- Commdor (Talk) 05:17, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok I think it might be an idea once we get all the content up. Garhdo (talk) 05:32, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Hammer Time
Vandal here. ( ♫ Can't touch this ♫ ) Trandra (talk) 16:19, March 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * (The vandal) ♫ Can't touch this. ♫ -- Commdor (Talk) 17:53, March 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * lol XD.--TW6464 (talk) 17:56, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Conflicting opinions about Temporary Squadmate status
Linky. Apparently the link that I included in the talk page comment somewhat backs up my argument, but it's inconsistent. The main page where the argument is occurring does not. Lksdjf (talk) 08:49, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Inoffensive name to avoid spam filter...
When you get a chance (or Lancer, for that matter), if you could please do the color-change-thingy (you know this nonsense isn't my strong suit) to reflect Trandra's promotion to admin. And we do have one for CMs, right? If so, I think the new CMs need updated too. SpartHawg948 (talk) 07:31, March 11, 2013 (UTC) (Originally this was entitled "Hello...", but that triggered a spam filter...) SpartHawg948 (talk) 07:31, March 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Already done. :) Trandra (talk) 19:49, March 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * And you fixed the CM color-change-thingy too, many thanks. I thought it wasn't working because of extreme update lag, but it was commas all along. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:57, March 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Those commas...will you get you every time. (Or not.) There was some update lag, as my name didn't change until I added the commas to the CMs, and theirs didn't change until ~30 minutes ago, even with purging and cache-clearing. Trandra (talk) 20:06, March 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry for butting in but I saw this and now I'm curious - color-change-thing? Garhdo (talk) 20:08, March 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * On the Recent Changes page, users with special statuses (Chat Mod and so on) show up with specially-colored links so they can be easily identified. Every time we promote a user, we also have to manually edit the site's code-stuff to apply the color marker to that user. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:16, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

ah ok cool. I normally just use the Wiki Activity page,so I've never noticed anything like that. Garhdo (talk) 20:24, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox Help
Hi there. As SpartHawg advised, I've come to ask you for help.

I've been trying to edit the info box on prisoner in Purgatory, as they DO have shields on insanity (proof pic thrown onto the respective talk page), but I was not able to find where those fancy colour-filled bars are added. :) Or should it just be reflected in the article and the box got to be left with health bar only? :confused:

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Prisoner

VagabonD SerpenT (talk) 15:33, March 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've updated the article with your info. The infobox is supposed to reflect enemy traits on Normal difficulty, so that can't be updated to show shields, but we can state that the enemy develops shields on Insanity difficulty in the Tactics section. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:26, March 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, thank you. I was just making comparsion to a Blue Suns or Eclipse soldier pages, where they also say that Shields appear on top difficulties, but infobox shows them anyway. :) I've no idea myself, to be honest, I was rejoiced to see that I can play ME2 on Insanity from start :P VagabonD SerpenT (talk) 18:29, March 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Commdor, is that true, though? Husks are shown with armor in their ME2 template (which they get on Hardcore and up). I didn't change it myself because it seemed that everyone else on the talk page was saying Prisoners don't have shields even on Insanity, and I wondered if I'd forgotten about some kind of shield generator thing on that mission. Trandra (talk) 19:38, March 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * The picture provided as proof seems like solid enough evidence. The alternative would be to remove the additions to the article, open a talk page discussion there, and wait until other users can verify that Prisoners have shields on Insanity. Or are you asking if the enemy infoboxes are supposed to use info based on Normal difficulty? Now that I think about it, I'm not sure. I don't see why we would choose any difficulty other than Normal to pull the stats from ("Normal" is supposed to be the baseline ME experience, after all), but then my focus around the wiki is on the lore content, not gameplay, stats, or background mechanics. If there's ample precedence on other enemy articles for using the high difficulty stats for the infoboxes, then I've got no grounds to object. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:03, March 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think Trandra was talking bout the infoboxes stuff. As I've checked, each article about e.g. Husk, Eclipse Soldier, Blue Suns Soldier, Blood Pack Trooper (or how those vorcha are properly called) shows template with armour or shield, but the tactics says that the additional layer of defence shows up only on Hardcore at least. VagabonD SerpenT (talk) 20:07, March 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Commdor addressed both of the things I was questioning. I've changed the infobox to reflect the highest difficulty, since all other infoboxes do. (Why they reflect the highest difficulty is a different question altogether.) The picture is proof enough; if anyone wants to dispute it, then we'll roll it back for discussion. Trandra (talk) 20:26, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Siha
The name Shia is a name for a religious figure in drell mythology, it's use as a nickname does not preclude it form the list and therefore neither should the other names.--FossilLord 23:49, March 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * The other names aren't used to refer to anyone or describe anything other than the drell gods, though. They shouldn't be in the list for the same reason we would not put all other known drell names in the list. In contrast, "Siha" appears to double as both a name and a descriptive term/title, it has a meaning beyond just a name. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:56, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Forums Oddities
For some reason, I can't see the Watercooler and Help Desk forums. Whenever I try to see the Watercolor forum, no topics show up. Instead, it says "Invalid tag extension name: forum" in an ominous blood red text. It treets the Help Desk forum as if it doesn't even exist, asking me to create the page. I can see the Policy and Projects forums, though. TheUnknown285 (talk) 10:25, March 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * that's a blanket wikia issue. apparently DPL is being deprecated and that's where most forums are based. try ctrl+f5 on the pages. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 10:29, March 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * That doesn't work. I forgot to say in my original comment, this is only happening with those two forums, not with the Projects and Policy forums.  TheUnknown285 (talk) 10:37, March 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * try it again. i've tried a forced refresh of the pages serverside and clientside. both showing up for me now on all 3 browsers (i never use the other two, just for testing)
 * note: the help desk direct link is borked, try going to it through the forum index itself. or direct link (working for me: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Help_desk?t=20130125212323 ) T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk)

Ugly prank
178.239.50.146 put tens of disgusting pictures in comments on a blog http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:TW6464/What_was_the_best_DLC%3F Can you do something with this.78.8.152.91 11:07, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Point of Order
I'm sort of disturbed by the idea that a policy can be "withdrawn by proposer" after it has already technically passed? I mean I realize that there's no actual revision of the policy language provided in the proposal, so maybe we kind of passed an effective nullity. Totally understand the overall situation, but it seems a bad precedent to mark the policy as rejected after it passed. Especially by an admin who voted against it. Marking it passed and essentially taking no action since there isn't any action to take might be more appropriate? Cattlesquat (talk) 18:52, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Language policy revision
Hi I was wondering if you had more details on the withdrawal, as I don't remember withdrawing it? Instead I am drafting the policy based on the guidelines passed by the Community? Garhdo (talk) 19:01, March 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * What guidelines are you referring to? I closed the policy proposal as withdrawn because you were making significant changes to it after the voting period had concluded and had asked for the proposal to be closed. That renders to vote the null and void since the community was voting to implement the policy described on that page, not any other version located elsewhere. Any changes you make to a proposal have to be clearly delineated on the proposal page before the vote concludes, so that voters can understand what they're voting on and have the chance to change their votes if they agree or disagree with the changes. Since your proposal is still in the process of being written, a new vote has to be held on the final version. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:15, March 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * I asked for it closed as the time was up, not because I was withdrawing it. The policy outlined on the page was a description of what I planned to implement, I am now simply drafting it out in more appropriate language. Garhdo (talk) 19:18, March 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think you misunderstood the purpose of the policy forum. You're only supposed to post a finalized, complete version of your policy there; you can't put a vague outline to a vote and then fill it in later. The community has to be able to see the whole thing during the vote so they know exactly what they're voting on. Think of it like this: if you voted in the U.S. presidential election, would you like it if your options were only "Democrat" and "Republican" and you didn't know exactly who the candidates were until after the election? -- Commdor (Talk) 19:28, March 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes but what I am writing now covers all the points in the actual proposal. I was unable to edit the forum after voting started to make it more specific there, and so I am doing it now. If it requires a revote however then that is what will be done, and I would welcome your opinions on my draft. Garhdo (talk) 19:36, March 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Unable to edit because you couldn't access the page or unable to edit because you thought you couldn't edit policy proposals on the fly during voting? I'm certain you can update proposals during voting because I've done it before. It's a big part of the process, it's how you address user complaints and suggestions from the discussion. Since you're making your changes after voting concluded on the policy instead of during, I'm afraid you do have to submit a second proposal for the community to vote on. On the bright side, seeing as the community supported your previous effort, it's likely they will do so again and your policy will still be approved. -- Commdor  (Talk) 22:24, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Unable to edit that section of the page, hence my extraneous explanations in the discussions. But no worries. I'm hoping to have the new policy finalised and submitted for voting by the end of the weekend. As I said before I would welcome opinions on the draft from yourself, as well as any other admins, senior editors and chatmods. Garhdo (talk) 00:18, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Bug Question
On the Skyllian Blitz article, it states in the trivia section "During a conversation with Joker, it is mentioned Shepard was present during the Skyllian Blitz, even if they were not awarded any special commendation, regardless of background." I added that this may be a bug, thinking that there may be dialogue from Joker that mentions Torfan or Akuze instead, dialogue that is being blocked for some reason. I now confirm that this is the case as there is dialogue by Joker about Torfan and Akuze (it's at the end of the video). So, do we still need the three confirmations to post this to the article or is it okay to go ahead? Thanks. TheUnknown285 (talk) 23:45, March 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I didn't think it was relevant to the article, so I removed it. Shepard's stress levels during the Skyllian Blitz have little to do with the Blitz itself. Even if that mattered enough to stay, the fact that a single line of Joker's dialogue that refers to it in Mass Effect 3 may be bugged is even less relevant. The only place I can think of where this line and the bug would be appropriate to mention is Joker's Unique Dialogue article. But first, are we sure that this is actually bugged? Has anyone tried to see if they can experience all three lines normally during playthroughs with Shepards of each background? -- Commdor (Talk) 00:20, March 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright, I posted a request for confirmation on Joker's Unique Dialogue talk page. TheUnknown285 (talk) 18:26, March 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've now seen how the two lines work in that it's the line about the Skyllian Blitz followed by a background-specific line. I'm now far less certain if that's a bug or not. At any rate, I would argue that we should re-add the note on the Skyllian Blitz article saying that Shepard evidently took part in the Skyllian Blitz regardless of background.  That to me seems pretty relevant (we already note that Shepard took part if he/she has the War Hero background.  Thanks again.  TheUnknown285 (talk) 17:45, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

salarian spectre's name
i'd like to direct your attention to the Spectres talkpage since you're apparently the first guy to transcribe mr. first spectre's name on the wiki. thanks. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 09:39, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

PS here's an idea for the Armax Arsenal Arena maps: gallery mode display like in Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer, or even individual pages with player notes, tips and the like, or both. not really sure myself how to lay it out on the AAA article since there's text after the map names. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 11:49, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Legion in the Geth subtypes.
Mr. Commdor,

I have seen you have previously removed my edit to the geth article that adds Legion to the subtypes listed on site. Can you specify why you have done so? The games have clearly mentioned that Legion is in fact a platform unique to the geth and thus deserves to be noted in the subtypes. So for what information does this need not be mentioned?

76.97.42.148 18:49, March 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Upon closer examination, my revert of your edit was a little hasty. The lore does support the conclusion that Legion is a unique platform and thus a distinct geth subtype. I've re-added mention of Legion to the Subtypes section of the geth article. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:41, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Mass Relay List Question
Hey, advice needed. I'm still working on the Relays List. One of the things I'm noting is which system each relay is in. For ME1, this is more difficult as the relays themselves don't show up in the systems. Plus, when you go to a new cluster, you don't directly to a gateway system; you go to the cluster map. So, unless the lore or subsequent games says which system it's in, I've been putting "Unknown" in the "System" field. However, what about clusters where we only see one system (like the Pangaea Expanse and and Sentry Omega). Do you think it's okay to assume that the single system is the gateway system (i.e., Refugee is the location of the Pangaea Expanse's relay and Hoc has Sentry Omega's relay)? Thanks. TheUnknown285 (talk) 18:45, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * I would say no, as that is an assumption. In ME, we could only go to the Century system in the Hawking Eta. In ME:2, the mass relay's location was actually in another system. Of course, it's up for Commdor to decide.Typhoonstorm95 (talk) 19:52, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * For the record, I'm inclined to agree with you, but I'm going to throw it out there to see what others think. TheUnknown285 (talk) 20:07, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

For ME-exclusive clusters that don't indicate which system contains the mass relay(s), stating the system is "Unknown" is acceptable. For ME-exclusive clusters that only have one accessible system, I'm actually inclined to allow assumptions that the sole known system of that cluster is the gateway system, at least for the purposes of this list. I think those are reasonable assumptions to make given the info we have. If we learn from future ME media that a system is not the gateway system for its cluster, we can revise the list accordingly. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:55, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll add that to the list. TheUnknown285 (talk) 21:46, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, yet another question. It has just been pointed out to me that the codex entry for the planet Corang says that there is a relay in the Century System in Hawking Eta. The thing is, according to ME2, Hawking Eta's relay is in the Chandrasekhar System while no relay is shown in the Century System nor do we list there being a relay in that system. I'm thinking this is an error (for what it's worth, Century was the only system we saw in ME). If it's not, then that means that Hawking Eta has two relays (three if you count the Mu Relay). So, my question is: would you have a problem in updating the relevant pages (e.g., Century, Chandrasekhar, Hawking Eta, Corang, etc.) to note this? Specifically, I mean adding trivia notes as well as adding a header for a relay in Century? Thanks. TheUnknown285 (talk) 23:24, March 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Most likely an error. Looks to me like the mass relay was moved from the Century system to Chandrasekhar during ME2's development and Corang's description was never corrected. Since there's no mass relay shown in the Century system in ME2 despite Corang's description, we ignore the description and go with what is actually shown in the game (i.e. that the relay is in Chandrasekhar). -- Commdor (Talk) 00:43, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * So what about adding trivia notes to those pages I mentioned? Thanks.  TheUnknown285 (talk) 16:41, April 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've added a blurb to Corang, since its description is really what's causing the confusion. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:04, April 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright. I took the liberty of altering it a little bit.  Thanks.  TheUnknown285 (talk) 20:08, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, this should hopefully be the last question (*knock on wood*). The list is pretty much done, barring some proofreading and any additional relays mentioned in codex entries, etc. that I missed. I'm ready to post it. However, it is rather long. I'm wondering if it would be better to create a new page titled something like "List of Mass Relays" or "Mass Relays/List" and create a link to that list on the Mass Relays article. What do you think? Thanks. TheUnknown285 (talk) 13:25, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

wiki-navigation links update
i think one of you needs to update the dropdown links in the nav bar above. we split the characters page into their own subpages a while back and, well, "Characters # Mass Effect 2" etc doesn't exist anymore as far as internal links are concerned. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 09:22, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

wiki-nav links update, again
lancer took care of the above and i have no idea who among you gets to read this first, so: "Characters/Mass_Effect_Infiltrator" -> "Characters/Mobile_Games#Mass_Effect:_Infiltrator". and probably some of the undisputed gameplay articles deldire started fleshing out. thanks. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 19:03, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

MEI Main article
Hi Commdor,

Due to the no response on my project forum to refresh the MEI main article (except from edits and help from several other editors and admins), can I add this page : User:DeldiRe/Sandbox/Mass_Effect:_Infiltrator to the main wiki ?

However, before doing so, I'd like you to check it one last time (if yo uhave time) espcially for the wording/spelling/grammar. Do not hesitate to edit my sandbox page, I authorize it.

Thanks for the help.

NB: I'm also working on a text to add into Storyline III, when it will be clear (with pictures), could you also check it for the same reasons than above before implementation ? --DeldiRe 08:13, April 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Your project page for improving the Mass Effect: Infiltrator article hasn't received any new comments in some time, so you can go ahead and open it up for voting (add a section titled "Voting" with three subsections titled "Support", "Neutral", and "Oppose" above the "Comments" section). If the community approves the overhaul, we can implement it. If I find anything to critique I'll post about it later. As for your ME:I additions to the Storyline III page, can you provide a link? I can't seem to find it. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:34, April 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I start the vote then (vote that I already started but that Lancer stopped...), when this page and the template of Trandra for MEI enemies are implemented, the MEI content will be mainly added (still some work to do on walkthrough of the mission, I will provide some picture but hard for me to write everything, I'll do my best).
 * Here is the link for the Storyline : User:DeldiRe/Sandbox/Storyline III. Nevertheless, this article is not yet finished so I will come back to you when it will be ready. Thanks for the help. --DeldiRe 21:43, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hi again Commdor,

the vote is now over : Forum:ME:_Infiltrator_new_main_page. Are we ready to implement ? However, what do we do with the merge of the articles related to combat analysis ? Do I start a new vote ? --DeldiRe 10:31, April 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've applied the overhaul to the ME: Infiltrator article with some adjustments. Another vote to accommodate the merged info wasn't necessary since the overhaul did not conflict with the merge and vice-versa; the point of the overhaul was to improve the article's formatting, and the info didn't need to be removed to accomplish that. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:48, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the overhaul. Did you made a last quality check (spelling/grammar/wording) ? --DeldiRe 07:24, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Blood Pack.
Re: Graal Spike Thrower. Me and several other users established on Talk for the Blood Pack page that with the batarian classes and the Graal being listed in the challenges they could, and in light of the multiplayer canon policy should, be counted as relevant to the Blood Pack. Garhdo (talk) 03:16, April 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * The multiplayer canon policy applies to lore info provided by the multiplayer mode. MP challenges have no relation to ME lore, they're a gameplay feature like achievements, the power wheel, cover movement arrows, the start menu, etc. The Graal's inclusion in the Blood Pack Mastery challenge only means BioWare included the Graal in the Blood Pack Mastery challenge; any other implications, such as the possibility that the Blood Pack use the Graal, would be speculation. Even if the challenges contained any lore info (a descriptive text blurb like "Blood Pack front line warriors rely on the Graal for its immense stopping power", for instance), the only viable reason to add the Blood Pack category to the Graal article would be if the Blood Pack were the creators of the weapon. Shepard can use the Cerberus Harrier, but we wouldn't add the Systems Alliance category to that weapon page just because of that. -- Commdor (Talk) 03:58, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

this user on your watchlist plz
this guy keeps making the same mistakes over and over again. user already has grounds to be blocked for edit warring (but not yet for inserting false information). guy appears to be ignorant of how wikis work, so i don't even know if warning him on his talkpage will serve any purpose.

anyway, i gave it the benefit of the doubt and slapped the final warning anyway. i'm handing over the matter to the 4 (plus 6) of you to decide if that was the right judgment call or if the editor's actions already merit a blocking :p T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 04:40, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually he has not been blocked for edit warring, but he has gone well beyond the teething phase of when someone should be familiar with making edits. If the behavior persists, then action will be taken. Lancer1289 (talk) 14:06, April 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yep, what Lancer said. He's been warned now, so let's hope he heeds the warning. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:48, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Similarities between Reapers and Leviathans
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Human-Reaper?s=wldiff&diff=0&oldid=403515 "Irrelevant, this refers to the appearance of a Reaper's "core" (what the Human-Reaper was), not the external form"

Please provide som evidence or your "core" explanation. So far, I don't see any. Thanks-- David Latapie (✒ | @) 23:37, April 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * See the second Trivia item in the Human-Reaper article and its source. The outer shell of a Reaper like Sovereign is what resembles the Leviathans, and the Human-Reaper would have been enveloped by a similar shell. Ergo, Reaper similarity to Leviathans only applies to a Reaper's external appearance, and does not directly support that their inner "cores" may appear similar to the race they were created from. We would need to see another Reaper without its shell before we can prove EDI's speculation to be true. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:52, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Note
Much appreciated, Commdor. I had to block a vandal on my home wiki for vandalising my page earlier. Different IP adress, though.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 19:55, April 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Let me know if you want that protection altered for any reason, I'll be happy to accommodate you. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:05, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

User Making Inflammatory Remarks
An anon was recently making inflamatory remarks. Just wanted to bring that to your attention.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 11:46, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes this is annoying. The wiki activity page is full of insults thanks to that person. --MasterDassJennir (talk) 12:09, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * It seems to be THE SAME PERSON EVERY TIME too, how the hell does he keep circumventing his ban? Aleksandr the Great (talk) 12:39, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, I get a lot of comments from people like this on this wiki and others. Haters gonna hate. --The Milkman | I always deliver. 12:44, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

hammertime
Special:Contributions/86.205.87.183, suspiciously similar MO and fixation with permablocked Special:Contributions/86.203.110.152 on turians and drell T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 08:35, April 21, 2013 (UTC)