User talk:Elseweyr

Warning the Newbies
While I sympathise with the shortage of regulars, I am quite concerned with the almost blatant disregard for newbies that borders on. The "don't bite" approach used by Wikipedia is specifically designed to increase accessibility and so editor recruitment. My main concern with the wikiculture here is seen in the the section "Ignorantia juris may excuse". While I agree that opportunistic editors' disruption is to be avoided and removed - it seems that editors here are quick to revert without warning, making the editors and environment appear harsh to newcomers. I think it would be helpful to create some informative templates so that warnings can be distributed to newbie talk pages easily, in the event that they create edits that are contentious (for example, synthesis in cleanup edits). As well as this, informing newbies of the "law" and the more direct (and very efficient) systems of the wiki should be a priority. I'd be happy to make some up if you think it's a good idea. I might also ask User:Cattlesquat about this, as he seems to be interested in getting new editors. Techhead7890 Talk 10:14, November 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * We have that template and those "laws" already: they're called the welcoming message, the Manual of Style, and the Community Guidelines. I don't see editors "get bitten" here except when they behave badly on their own accord or persist in breaking policy despite being informed of it.
 * While no-one's expected to know all the guidelines, they're really not that hard to find and having glanced at them before you start editing is really not that much to ask. If someone's edits are reverted, it's no big deal: one can always ask why, and the answer is usually in the guidelines, anyway.
 * If some user has been editing along undesired lines, it's happened that a reg or admin has taken the initiative to post pointers on said user's talk page. Nothing is stopping you from making or using a warning template, but I personally don't see the need for it – and I can't say I like the idea of handing out "warnings" to newcomers just because they don't get it right immediately. All the information and help you need is never more than a couple of clicks away; making use of it requires very little effort. Elseweyr ( talk ) 10:06, November 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I mean no disrespect for the policy - I just couldn't find the word for it - but I think there's a certain step from random passers-by (who are potential editors) to involved people. That step being to actually read the policy as above. There's very much the potential for perspective difference - the many whinings about reverts being a prime example. "Bad behaviour" is very subjective from a personal POV but not at all from the wiki-guidelines' perspective. And so making sure everyone's on the same page (and policy) is something quite important for the community to function.


 * No, more importantly, the reason why I want to create templates is to provide a quick basis on which to resolve these issues more efficiently for everyone; in less time, and with less conflict/personal outrage. I personally had such a moment, as you most likely recall. Many a newbie is confused at the least - offended, at the worst when someone reverts their edits without explanation. While not necessarily a warning, an explanation can be very useful in clarifying the situation, and providing a template makes the task of easier. I imagine you regulars have far better things to do than go around explaining policy to newbies. And while the process of asking and inviting dispute sometimes leads to development of editors - simply letting them study it for themselves can be equally as developing, as you've pointed out. The point is to improve the process for everyone - putting information in the minds of newbies, making it hassle-free for regulars in their daily cleanups. I guess I should get started making one in my userspace. Techhead7890 Talk 04:02, November 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I completely agree Techhead7890, I'm pretty disgusted by how I've been treated; no effort to make communication especially as I've been trying to make the wiki more useable and I keep getting reverted. Durron597 (talk) 04:06, November 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Now, now, let's not dramatise. I clean up after your in- or at best semi-valid edits, write reasons in the edit summaries, get accused of stalking, not communicating, trolling – and you're the one who is mistreated?


 * I merely trimmed the piped links you added to the War Assets page; there's no reason for redirects to exist if they're not going to be used. Out of the edits I undid, one was a lapse on your part, the other two were instances of another user (in this case me) simply disagreeing with you. Out of those two, another user in turn disagreed with me, so your edit holds. That's how a wiki works. The way in which you rearranged the missions is debatable, and it's always good to initiate a discussion before making substantial changes to an article.


 * If you sincerely wish to help, please note that other users disagreeing with your edits is nothing personal, but it can happen – and will happen, especially until you're familiar with a wiki's guidelines and policy, and adhere to them. Elseweyr ( talk ) 11:23, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Hi
I left post on one of your blogs and forgot to introduce myself. I'm Echolett and I'm pleased to meet you. :) Echolett (talk) 16:00, November 16, 2013 (UTC) 15:59, November 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Pleased to meet you too! And welcome to the wiki on my behalf, as well. (Just remember to sign your posts on Talk and Forum pages; I just did it for you but you can replace it with a real signature, if you want.) Elseweyr ( talk ) 15:43, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

E-maily Wong
Hello! I noticed you reverted my edit on Emily Wong's page.

I'm new to editing Wiki's, and don't want to run afoul of any rules, so I thought I'd drop you a message with the email I received in-game about Emily Wong surviving the skyvan crash. I made an imgur album so you can see the email for yourself. If you think it's proof enough to amend the article would you be willing to insert something about it, please? You don't have to re-add my edit, especially if you can word it better than I can! Here's the imgur album: http://imgur.com/a/VuEfJ#0

Thanks!

74.98.181.9 23:48, November 19, 2013 (UTC) ^ looks like I need to create an account, so here the account that goes with the above message. Riash (talk) 23:55, November 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * fanon. prohibited in mainspace. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 07:12, November 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Respectfully, it's not fanon. I'm not making it up, it's an actual email I received in game. I even provided the screenshots to prove it. The in-game email the player receives from Emily Wong in Mass Effect 2 is included in the article, why shouldn't the email you receive about her in Mass Effect 3 be included? Or did you mean it's hearsay from an in-game email (it's not from her, it's from a third party about her) and therefor not canon and not permitted? Riash (talk) 17:18, November 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just making sure I'm following:
 * a news network produces ungainly text with uncharacteristic misspellings
 * Alliance HQ has come into being again after Arcturus Station was destroyed (and FCC News is broadcasting from wherever that is)
 * reports of all sorts of things are just bouncing around as if there never were a comm buoy outage – or maybe everyone has a QEC all of a sudden?
 * Unfortunately, screenshots aren't enough evidence for ultra-rare (since you're apparently one of the very few to ever have received this e-mail) and ultra-implausible phenomena like this. Elseweyr ( talk ) 19:33, November 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response, Elseweyr. You reply was spot on when I went and looked at that email again. I just realized I've made an error. My ME3 playthrough has a mod in it. Therefore any edits I'd make from this playthrough should be suspect. I will refrain from making any ME3 content edits until or unless I do a mod-free playthrough. I apologize for my ignorance! Riash (talk) 20:12, November 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * I did think you seemed strangely civil for a troll. If your mistake was sincere, then thanks for at least attempting to add valid content (No harm done! Elseweyr ( talk ) 20:23, November 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hear hear! Strangely civil folks are definitely welcome around here. I did think it was strange that after "killing her off on twitter" they'd have an in-game email like that, but now we know. Cattlesquat (talk) 20:43, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Undoing my revisions
Are you just following me around the wiki undoing my revisions? How do you expect to get more active users by trolling people that could potentially become productive members of the wiki? Durron597 (talk) 04:03, November 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * no, she's just doing what people are supposed to be doing whenever they're on this wiki. if not contributing or lurking, then verify others' contributions. yours are invariably off in one way or another. read edit summaries.


 * anyway, this isn't what i'm here for. @elseweyr: amusingly enough, your recent removal of nihlus-sparatus trivia is both correct and incorrect. look at sparatus' face paint models from ME-ME2-ME3 in this wiki and you'll see why. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 07:52, November 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * My edit summary is apparently both correct and incorrect, since their faces do look almost identical in ME/ME2. The markings along the temples and horns are never the same, though. Elseweyr ( talk ) 09:39, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Morinth Trivia
I don't understand why you deleted my Morinth trivia. You said it's not trivia as the reason you removed it, yet under Commander Shepard's trivia it says he appeared in MySims SkyHeroes which is basically the same as saying Morinth appears in Minecraft. 108.174.115.196 06:16, November 30, 2013 (UTC)Bryrida


 * Shepard is the only Mass Effect character featured in MySims SkyHeroes (and I don't know whether it matters, but SkyHeroes is also published by EA). Given that there are 36 character skins in the Mass Effect Mash-up, it doesn't make much sense to mention just one of them.


 * What could perhaps pass is a general mention of the mash-up pack in some other article, though I can't really say which one. Elseweyr ( talk ) 08:09, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Atlas Page
Hello Elsweyr,

I am here to inform you that the post I placed on the Atlas page is in fact an IN GAME RENDER of the Cat6 Atlas and it was placed there so that those who are curious could see what it looks like nothing more nothing less. If that is not satisfactory for you, take a screen shot of the Cat6 Atlas in-game and post that image instead. Thank you.--AdmiralPedro1stFleet (talk) 00:23, December 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * strictly speaking it's not an "in-game" render, it's from third-party rendering tools. plus it came from someone's deviantart account. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 05:49, December 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * @Admiral, you could try to get an in game screenshot because the one putted here is like Elseweyr and temp78 said, crappy ;). Good luck with that --DeldiRe (talk) 08:55, December 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * We only use screencaps and pictures from official sources in the mainspace articles. Certain features (such as flycam) are permitted when snapping screenshots, but that's about as far as this wiki goes, I think.


 * It appears AdmiralPedro1stFleet is unable to provide the shot since s/he told us to do it, but I'm sure someone will get to it eventually. If that is in the unforeseeable future, maybe that someone is me :p Elseweyr ( talk | stalk ) 09:47, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

STINKIN KHAJIIT
What do you want...cat? ouisehjk 18:00, December 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Colovian Fur Helm Elseweyr ( talk | stalk ) 19:24, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Unused image
Do you still need this file? I'm going to delete unused files tomorrow and wanted to check with you. Trandra (talk) 17:04, December 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * I had commented that particular code on my User page, but now that you mention it, go ahead. Elseweyr ( talk | stalk ) 17:25, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

C-Sec
Well if you deleted the cattegory i cannot add a link to it :-) I only put the cattegory to have a link i wanted to remove it after i had the link. I was already discussing about adding "user" cattegory on the pages for vehicles and weapons?Masterus1 (talk) 23:38, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Please don't re-add it. Categories aren't usually added unless they can have a good number of articles within them. Lksdjf (talk) 23:39, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Why don't you want to add the equipment? There are many way we can do it http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Citadel_Security_Services
 * a link to a page as on wikipedia
 * putting "C-sec equipment" cattegory (with skycar,m8 avenger,kodiak shuttle,shotguns,...) instead of "C-sec" which is vague and regroup too many article.
 * adding "users" paragraph on the vehicle/weapon pages as on wikipedia Masterus1 (talk) 23:46, January 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm asking you not to do it because there aren't enough articles to add to it that could justify its existence. Everything that could be added to C-Sec equipment could be added to C-Sec with no major disruptions.  Additionally, categorizing tends to be very broad.


 * The Avenger, while used by Alliance soldiers and C-Sec officers, isn't classified as either C-Sec or Alliance. I can name a few reasons why this isn't so:


 * It is a very popular model of assault rifle that is used by multiple species
 * It is produced by a volus company
 * It is not exclusive to either C-Sec or the Alliance


 * Note how the N7 weapons ARE classified as belonging to the Systems Alliance. This is because N7 is a uniquely human concept that aliens are excluded from. Lksdjf (talk) 23:54, January 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * (Edit conflict) There are only 11 pages even in the main C-Sec category, so having a separate branch for a handful of "C-Sec equipment" articles is not really justified. And Wikipedia's way to present and organise content still doesn't automatically have any bearing on how this wiki does it.


 * Also, please note that category pages are linked to like this:  Category:C-Sec . Leaving out the initial colon places the page itself in the category, and leaving out Category simply creates a link to a page with that name. Elseweyr ( talk | stalk ) 23:59, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Miranda Lawson page
I noticed that on the Miranda Lawson page you reverted a change. The change was making the word "meet" to "meeting". You reverted it back to meet. This is incorrect.

Meet

noun an assembly, as of persons and hounds for a hunt or swimmers or runners for a race or series of races: a track meet. 24. those assembled. 25. the place of such an assembling.

assembly noun 1. an assembling or coming together of a number of persons, usually for a particular purpose: The principal will speak to all the students at Friday's assembly. 2. a group of persons gathered together, usually for a particular purpose, whether religious, political, educational, or social.

Shepard is meeting a single person. This makes your change inappropriate since this is not an assembly. Meeting is the correct word to use here, not meet. Just thought I would point that out. GrandMoffVixen (talk) 22:53, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

That's quite the extrapolation. So am I to assume that for events in which only two people show up (assuming that attendance is anticipated to be much higher), that the event can no longer be considered a meet? The crux of the definition implies any sort of gathering, and is not intended to specify the number of participants.

I am not going to change the word because I prefer "meeting" to "meet", although that does not imply any sort of agreement with your reasoning.

Your change is not any more inappropriate than the original version, but to claim that it is wrong would be incorrect. Lksdjf (talk) 00:05, January 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Using multiple dictionaries is always a good idea when trying to prove some point as to whether the use of a word is correct or incorrect in a particular context. It takes very little searching to find suitable definitions, for example:
 * informal a meeting, typically one with an illicit purpose
 * a meeting, esp a sports meeting
 * I simply undid your change on principal. Since meet is not incorrect, changing it isn't legit unless someone else agrees with your edit. Which is what happened. Elseweyr ( talk | stalk ) 00:58, January 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Not sure if we're still discussing or now-all-agreed, but I'll mention my preference for "meeting" in the situation mentioned. Cattlesquat (talk) 02:41, January 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Note that I never said that anyone was wrong. Do not put words in my mouth. I was polite and there is no reason to use an Ad Hominem attack against me merely because I am disagreed with. Next, I am not required to use multiple dictionaries. Also, I am not required to, nor am I inclined to have "someone else agrees with your edit" just to change something. I pointed out why the change was incorrect. Well, the word I used before was "inappropriate". Unless I am in an informal situation I will not use words informally. There are standards of language and just because a word can be used in such a manner does not mean it is acceptable.

This type of conduct remains why I left the wiki in the first place. Draconian attitudes with the "my turf" attitude regardless of this not belonging to any said person. Now I know why I shouldn't have come back. I won't be seeing you again, as I won't put up with this from the likes of misanthropes such as you. GrandMoffVixen (talk) 08:31, January 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * LOL K BYE Lksdjf (talk) 09:54, January 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Note that (1) this trivial matter was settled article-wise long ago, with your edit as the last one; (2) no-one has accused you of saying that anyone is wrong, nor attacked you personally; and (3) since this wiki doesn't acknowledge any particular dictionary as the only valid source, I merely recommended that you make use of multiple ones if you're going to engage in arguments about the meanings of words.


 * Your decision to depart is most lamentable, but if minor disagreements lead you to stir up this kind of drama and call other users "misanthropes," you may need to mature a bit before returning to editing again. Elseweyr ( talk | stalk ) 11:08, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry!
Alright, I apologize - it's been years I completely forgot xD

I'm known for my contributions and videos for the Halo wiki, I assumed the policy would be the same for this wiki as well.

--Cameron.Vickers.Vicks007kid (talk) 21:56, January 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * It's alright, no harm done. It's mostly for canon reasons :) Elseweyr ( talk | stalk ) January 6, 2014, 21:58:17 (UTC)

chatmod request denied
that was a joke. we admins have convened and there were no objections. congratulations and happy modding. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 07:39, January 10, 2014 (UTC)