Talk:Mass Effect 3/Archive2

Fate of the Normandy SR-2
I love the SR-2, it's jizz-tazmic, although a SR-3 would be pretty cool, might need it if you can have yet more squad members.

Okay, is Bioware just going to upgrade the Normandy SR-2, or are they going to make me watch that one burn too? I don't think I can endure that twice...

I think that EDI might turn into a rogue AI and try to kill everyone or she might fly the ship to a Cerberus base because Cerberus might not be too happy with Shepard. --1000Monkeys 00:36, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * She states several times that she has no intention of doing any such thing. And, given that rampant AIs are a pretty major part of another major sci-fi video game franchise for the XBox, I really don't see it happening with EDI. SpartHawg948 02:00, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Well, remember that the Geth also didn't intend to go rogue, until they were given more responsibility and duties.


 * Perhaps the SR-2 its going to be reffited or somethingChangonauta 14:46, December 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * You sound like a quarian talking like that. Fearing the geth could evolve to true AI, they attacked and tried to kill all the geths. However, they reacted, and exiled the quarian people. They are just defending themselves.--Shep fan 19:16, September 22, 2011 (UTC) Shep Fan

I think SR2 will be replaced by SR3 or be upgraded to SR3.--User:Morinth's Lover 17:33, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but usually an upgrade doesn't change the number. If the SR-2 is upgraded, then the number probably would remain the same. Lancer1289 17:51, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * At any rate, i cant see any justification to replace the SR-2, with just an upgrade it would be a good ship Changonauta 18:08, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking that now with Shepard no longer part of Cerberus, assuming the Paragon ending of ME2 is considered the default, no doubt the Alliance would have the capability to commission an even larger, even more powerful version of the Normandy, probably known as Normandy SR-3. 1st of all, it is the third game, and going along with how the SR-2 was for the second game, Bioware'll create the SR-3 for the third game. Secondly, Shepard still has control of the SR-2, he'll probably turn it over to Alliance authority for them to reverse-engineer the experimental upgrades used against the Collectors (especially the Thanix Cannon) and improve upon those functions to fight off more Reapers, and so could be standardized among the rest of the fleet. Thirdly, if they go down this path, it would be a serious lack of creativity to see the Normandy destroyed in battle AGAIN, so the above 2 options are the more logical ones. H-Man Havoc 03:17, December 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Firstly, what you think is possible, but bare it mind that what is going to happen is partially depends on player's actions on ME2. So if player sided with Cerberus, would that means they will not get SR3? Secondly, reverse Engineering? Why would alliance do that, they are the one who co-designed them, all Cerberus did was changing the interior and add AI system (EDI), something that I doubt Alliance would consider to add in their ship. And about Thanix cannon, why wouldn't Alliance just buy them from the Turians? Reverse Engineering those equal to copying their design, wouldn't that affect any sort of agreements, treaties or simply just sounded wrong? I am sure that they would sell it to us ,if it is for good sake of the universe, given that even Garrus could buy it, it is nothing classified.--Chawit Chiwarattanaphan 09:16, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why would some people get an upgraded ship, while others don't? That is just really faulty reasoning. We do know that a lot of variables do import into ME3, but I seriously doubt that depending on your actions, you get a new ship or not. As to the reverse engineering, who says the Alliance wouldn't improve on what Cerberus already improved on. Is the SR-2 perfect? Of course not, there are always things that can be improved upon and with the threat of the Reapers, I highly doubt the Alliance will rest on what it currently operates and not make any improvements. As to the Thanix, maybe the Alliance would improve upon the design, as again nothing is perfect and if a better design comes out, I doubt the turians will complain that much. Lancer1289 17:10, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

We accually had a debate as if Shepard is no longer part of Cerberus after the Paragon ending, including the commander taking the normandy and its crew from them. see the blog on my page.--Ironreaper 03:32, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

I think if space combat is in ME3 then they would make a new SR-3 or something like that to explain why it can now take on reapers or whatever the space combat is in the game. Kind of like how with each game the biotic implants go up a level to explain why Shepard can now do things with biotics in the second game that he couldn't do in the first. I believe it went from L3 to L4 or 4 to 5. But that is all on IF they have space combat.--Nat Wetli 21:09, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

well the ship was damaged after the omega 4 relay why cant the repairs go a little further and upgrade, not worthy enough to change the name, but a newer ship would add a lot of new features about the game, im sad to hear the mining system is back hopefully it'll change.

Gameinformer just released major information about Mass Effect 3, including the fate of the Normandy. According to the magazine, the Alliance saw the Normandy as theirs and wanted to study it. I don't think they took it away during the game, but it says they also upgraded the Normandy with new rooms. --CrimsonAssassin 20:45, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Mass Effect 3 release date
Anyone see this? At the very end of the article he says ME3 comes out on November 8th 2011. Is that confirmed? Or does he not know what he is talking about?

ME3 November 8th--Nat Wetli 00:47, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah we haven't heard anything about that and I think he doesn't know what he is talking about. All we have right now is that ME3 will be released during the Holiday season of 2011, nothing more or less. Also I think he's guessing on more than a few other things in that article. Lancer1289 00:49, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oh cool. Yeah i thought it was strange when I read that at the end. But I also found it a good read.--Nat Wetli 01:06, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

thehut.com has the release date as 26 August 2011 Mondrak 11:27, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah that is…optimistic at best. I highly doubt that we will see ME3 before November at the earliest. Also note that at the Video Game Awards where the game was announced, it said Holiday 2011, which effectively rules out August being three months before that date. I also doubt the accuracy of that website considering that gamestop.com says December 31, 2011, and I'll take that date considering they are usually more accurate than a warehouse site. Lancer1289 17:34, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Now, I don't know which sites are saying this, but everything I've heard says 11-11-11. But ME3 and TES5 on the same day? --Swooshy 23:42, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

I heard a couple of days ago - can't remember where - that it was now scheduled for release January/February/March 2012 Mondrak 14:55, May 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep. The article has been updated to reflect the delay. -- Commdor (Talk) 14:57, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

it is supposed to come out march 6th 2012 Masseffect2154 02:20, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * And we already know that it is in the article already. Lancer1289 02:25, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

ME3 Trailer Hero?
Does anyone think the Brit from the ME3 teaser trailer might end up joining Shepard's squad? Or do you think he was just a random guy in a clocktower with a sweet sniper rifle? Also just out of curiosity does anyone have any idea as to what he shot in the trailer? I personally thought it looked like a Collector...but it could've been a Husk as well. Just wondering. Ahvi-Bay-B 23:04, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Best place for such discussions is either the forum or the blog. --silverstrike 23:42, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that was a Husk. I think Collectors are extinct now. JakeARoonie 03:55, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Forgive me for not signing, not made an account yet. He's a little too "outstanding" to be an example guy, just look at the points:
 * British
 * Been alive long enough in current conflict to recieve a considerable amount of injuries (judging by the number if canisters lying around him
 * sniping out of a high-profile building (Big Ben)
 * If I'm correct, the VA is Richard Armitage (John Porter in Chris Ryan's Strike Back), would be a shocking waste to hire him for a single trailer
 * shows considerable skill with a sniper rifle considering his condition (multiple GSWs)

I'd bet a group of people have already thought of this, but perhaps we are seeing an SAS operative in action? They most likely are still operating in over 170 years. The clues are there, and if this is true, we can surely expect to see him as a squadmate. 81.157.181.206 16:52, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Also, I think that that was a husk. Mr. sniper said that the fight had been going on for a few days (or weeks). Which would be plenty of time for the Reapers (or their minions) to set up dragons teeth to make some husks. GroverA125 13:23, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

There is mention of a James Sanders being a new recruit for ME3. It is not yet confirmed but I strongly believe that is the name of the sniper seen in the trailer. According to all the previous comments, this would make a lot of sense.
 * Actually, the only thing we know about James Sanders is that he is not the sniper from the trailer.JakePT 10:36, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I don' think being British is that big of a character trait. He's in london, in the Reaper invasion of D.C., the guy sniping from the Washington Monument is probably gonna be American, and the guy sniping from the Eiffel Tower is probably French. It would be significant if he was say an Ethiopian, or an alien. I figure he'll probably be a semi-important grunt on a return trip to earth. In addition, it's possible that the figure he sniped was similar to a Collector, a species that the Reapers converted, after all the Reapers need ground troops, and it's pretty boring to keep shooting at husks which can't shoot back.--SAmaster01 23:52, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

To a previous contributer, I have to say that just because an English soldier is good does not mean he is a member of the SAS. He could easily be a member of the Royal Marines, if the monarchy is still kicking about. There are many regiments and groups within the current British army besides the SAS. To be more on-topic, I do agree that because he is quite distinctive (there are not many hardened Englishmen in the Mass Effect Series besides Anderson), and due to his rather conspicuous and costly voice actor, we will probably meet the man at some point. At least. --Owlbread 20:44, July 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Topics like this are better suited to the forums or a blog post as this isn't what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 20:48, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Dr Pepper DLC possibly on the way again.
Wasn't sure if it would be more apropos to post this here or DLC, so I went with here since it is possible upcoming. Dr Pepper has Mass Effect 3 listed on their rules page in Games that their codes will allow DLC for. It does say that the games subject to change, but this seems likely as it worked well with ME2. The "contest" ends December 30th, so as long as ME3 doesn't get pushed back we should hopefully see some cool stuff.Dr Pepper - EA rules--Xaero Dumort 20:28, January 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's interesting. I wonder what's in the works. Helmets for ME3? I hope I'll remember this when the time comes to get this DLC. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:33, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * My advice is get at least 5-10 caps now and then put them by your computer or something with a note.--Xaero Dumort 20:39, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I guess I'll have to make a Dr. Pepper run sometime soon. Lancer1289 20:58, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll definitely try not to miss it this time around. I hope the promotion is extended to Canada as well since I only got my Recon Hood in the last week of November. Freakium 00:29, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

I find this quite upsetting, as any people from europe will have severe difficulties getting these. I wish they'd either make the promotion available everywhere or make it possible to legitimately acquire them by using microsoft points and whatnot.
 * I know what you mean. Bluegear93 22:47, November 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I just checked a minute ago and Mass Effect 3 is still on their list found in the link above ^^ and it appears that their dates also apply for 2012 (not sure if they reset or something after the New Year) so, it would be best for everybody to stock up on Dr. Peppers! ;) I, for one, will not be missing out like I did with Mass Effect 2!   Speaker-to-Animals 23:11, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Plot fail?
Just wondering, am I the only one pissed off by that trailer? The last scene in ME2 with the Reapers powering up had them multiple galactic diameters away. With no Citadel to work with and the known limits of mass effect FTL that the game took so much effort to make accessible to the player, why oh why are they dropping Reapers in London? Have the writers gone loopy and forgotten their own story? Or has Bioware shut down a good story to placate the drooling moron shooter demographic that doesn't care about a compelling plot if it means they get to watch things explode?--Ryvaken 23:15, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * First we don't need that kind of language here. It is both uncalled for an inappropriate. Second we don't know the context of the trailer. It could be at the start, the middle, or the end of the game. We just don't know. We also don't know if there is a time difference between ME2 and ME3 yet. Dragon Age II takes place over the course of a decade, so maybe ME3 will span a few years or have a break. Third, this is really more appropriate in a forum or blog post. Lancer1289 23:18, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with lancer, you can´t draw conclusions from a minute and a half video Changonauta 22:37, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * And also, don't forget that Arrival DLC, the last on for ME2, could possibly show how the Reapers managed to get to Earth. Come one, it says "Arrival", and it's the epilogue for ME2 and prologue for ME3! What more proof do you need? RevanSentinel 13:24, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Well, if memory serves, this will occour a year or so after ME2, as Mass Effect: Retribution occours after the events of ME2, so they would probably make this occour AFTER this and then we get some sort of sight into the aftermath of that. GroverA125 20:39, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Don't forget of course that ships can use FTL travel WITHOUT the use of the Mass Relays. Just that the Mass Relays are faster. And the Reapers are far more advanced than the current galactic civilizations so it is pretty obvious that they would have superior FTL drives. So the reapers arriving at this rate isn't so far-fetched. Codeyy 01:06, April 30, 2011 (UTC) In the article in May's Game Informer it states that the time difference is about four months from the events of Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3.


 * The article says, "Only a few months have passed since the suicide mission to take out the Collector base..." A "few" isn't a specific number like four, it's defined as a being not many, but more than one. A four month time difference is plausible, but an exact amount of time like that is speculation for now. -- Commdor (Talk) 15:44, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Few usually applies to numbers between 2 and 5, so we have no exact timeframe we will more than likely get it sometime soon. Or it will be revealed in the game. Lancer1289 16:29, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

i think i read it in the gameinformer that it was about two months it picks up with shepard on earth for a trial or something of the sorts about his actions during the arrival dlc Lt. Col 15:04, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with the "this is a non-issue" sentiment. We don't know how long the Reapers have been in transit, what their Relay-independent FTL capabilities are, or how much time is meant to have passed before the start of ME3. Since it's fairly heavily implied that Shepard will be spending some time incarcerated, the Reapers could take a decade or more to gain access to the Relay network (assuming they're still heading for the Bahak system and will move from there to the nearest Relay), easily dodging any sort of continuity snarl. For the time being, just have faith in Bioware. They've come this far, haven't they?--We are the torch-bearers among the masses huddled in darkness. 20:27, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

It was stated that Mass effect 3 will be placed around 6 months after the Arrival DLC, and since the Local Cluster where Earth is situated is far away from the Viper Nebula, it is posible that the Reapers will come through Arcturus, since it's also near the edge of the galaxy and closer to the Viper Nebula than any other relay hub User: A Wikia Contributor

need change in game play
i m expecting the rpg elements in mass effects like in mass effect 1. mass effect 2 was good for the story, but game play was like a normal shooting game. and level up was a night mare. seriously, only four powers??? to me, without rpg elements, mass effect is lost. like mass effect 1, we need weapon level up options. so please, P L E A S E remind peoples that it is not a shooting game, it's a third person shooting rpg, or mass effect is doomed

Interesting exclamation since Mass Effect 2 was more critically and commercially successful then ME. To claim the series is going to be destroyed by the very elements that made it so successful is a big claim for me.--Ironreaper 13:41, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ironreaper, can you fix what you did to the headline with the "Ef". Also there are things taht ME2 did better than ME and I'm sure BioWare knows what they are doing. Lancer1289 14:43, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

what if an open character possibility is available, example what if you lose jack well in ME2 you DO NOT have to get every person, so why can't ME3 have characters that can replace or serve as extras?- valkador

ME3: Previous characters possibilty?
I've got a thought stuck in my head, and judging by the majority of forum posts on bioware and whatnot, I don't think that many other people have.

Apparently most (if not all) characters can be killed in ME2, and choices in ME1 can also lead to some deaths. This got me thinking when in ME2, you can choose to have either Morinth or Samara as a teammate. I'm thinking that Bioware may be playing "The Variability Card" in Mass Effect 3.

I'll explain, say in ME3 you should get Tali or Garrus as a teammate, if you managed to get them killed in the suicide mission, you will instead see another person instead (such as an ex-C-Sec turian much like Garrus) much like the Morinth/Samara part. So if Garrus is killed, another C-Sec agent will be in the next game to take Garrus' place in the endgame.

This could be worth noting because I think that Bioware will most likely want to put characters from previous games into the third, and most may be killed, they must be thinking of a way of how it can be done. So far, if we are going to see old squadmates as teammates again, the only ways I see is either this way or by simply making no alternative teammate in ME3 and people who fail to keep their team alive will simply have to suffer with one or more less teammates available to them.GroverA125 13:53, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

why not have an open character selection where new characters are added and they can replace or be extras. in ME2 you do not have to get every character and even if you do you never have to open grunts tank or can give legion away

I'm not saying what I'd like to happen, I'm saying that there's a probability this may happen. I believe they've already confirmed they're doing this (by allowing the player to have Kaidan or Ashley as teammates again). This could point to the fact that they will be doing this with characters from ME2 and maybe even bring back Wrex using this method. It's a likely possibility, since they won't leave these guys out and they won't give you no team if you killed some of them.GroverA125 20:23, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Well also look at it this way. You only lose Kaiden or Ashley, not both, so at least one of them is in your squad. And you're already promised James Vega as well, so that's two. Then there's Liara, who hasn't ran into a death scenario yet so she's a given. So that's three gaurunteed squaddies already, which seems like the bare minimum, not counting Garrus and Tali and the rest of the yet unconfirmed squad.

suitless quarian
i heard some untrustworthy sources but often right talking about tali losing her suit and a lot of people like that idea. first i want to know if anyone else had heard this and although a lot of people would like this but wouldn't it be like halo if you say john remove his helmet at first everyone would love it, but then it would just be awkward so lets hope she never takes off the mask
 * Yeah two things. Tali says that for any quarian to lose their suits, then they would have to retake their homeworld. Second this seems more like something for a forum post or maybe Tali's talk page, but not here. Lancer1289 15:59, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Actually if I remember correctly, Tali mentions that even if they re-take the homeworld, they would need generations before they could actually live outside of their suits, since their immune systems were weakened by the generations of living in the flotilla. I think it was mentioned both in ME (during elevator rides), and on Tali's loyalty mission (on the second "Talk to" part triggered by a screen/monitor). So we probably won't see any Quarians popping out of their suits permanently in ME3. Tali may still show the camera her face if taken as a love interest in ME3, but the Quarians won't just leave them off. Still, there's hope...GroverA125 19:55, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually she says that if anyone currently living wanted to see a sunset/rise (can't remember which) without a helmet, then they need to retake their homeworld. It would take generations either way, but acclimating to another world would take much longer. Retaking their homeworld would be easier and allow them to reacclimate faster.
 * Also remember it is quarians not Quarians. Lancer1289 20:04, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

I see I was, as usual, close the the actual term, damn my selectively photographic memory.GroverA125 20:11, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

New "Vague" Info on ME3
I found out that mass effect 3 has a November 10th release date and also bioware is trying to implement a DeadSpace like HUD for ME3 would this be actual news to put in the article have links to sites here: http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/8824.html--ItsAlwaysSunnyInIllium 04:51, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Looks like speculation to me, also second link is dead.Arbiter099 04:55, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Well heres a new link for the HUD article: http://scrawlfx.com/2011/03/bioware-investigating-environmental-hud-in-mass-effect-3 --ItsAlwaysSunnyInIllium 05:15, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) I have to agree, the articles themselves are speculating. The title of the first article: "Mass Effect 3 Set For November 10 In North America?" I highly doubt that BioWare will release their game one day before Elder Scrolls V. That just doesn't make much sense marketing wise as a lot of people in general played Oblivion, I have yet to speak to some who hasn't, which was the "must have game" for 360 and PS3, and probably more will pick Skyrim. Which again has a set release date of 11/11/11. ME3 coming out one day before that, I have to say I can't see it. If anything a late October, late November, early December, or even January release is much more likely. Early November, not so much.
 * As to the second link, I have to say that switching the HUD after two games really isn't a good idea. It sounds like they already had problems, and while they may try to fix it, they can't alter it too much, otherwise it can cause problems transitioning from ME and ME2, which have a similar HUD, to a completely different HUD in ME3. This just doesn't seem likely. A reduced or redesigned HUD with the same elements as the previous two, that would be fine, but completely redesigning from the ground up on your third game, not such a great idea. Lancer1289 05:23, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

I have say that ME2 suffered greatly by it's HUD. ME gave you the radar permanently on-screen, a "usable" team health bar, and altogether had more in the same amount of space. If it had the power recharge half-ring then it would have been perfect. ME2's gave too little information, and moved or over-simplified all the bars and bits that were really useful. I think it's safe to say that Bioware will not keep the ME2 HUD, but won't go completely over the top with the ME3 HUD.GroverA125 20:06, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

This is how ME3 is going to go !

 * ARRIVAL SPOILERS AHEAD******* As Commander shepherd destroyed an entire Batarian system and killed 300,000 Batarian innocents, the batarian government are going to be annoyed and want blood obviously, so the systems alliance are going to call shepherd to earth to stand trial and imprison him for an unknown amount of time taking his ship and scattering his crew. While Shepherd is in prison probably for at least a year the reapers will invade and Shepherd being Shepherd will be called upon to save humanity and the rest of the galaxy.

This is example of something that should have gone into the Forums or in a blog post, not here. This is not what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 21:50, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

What are talk pages for?
 * Mainly for discussing improvements to the article, talking about edits made to it, communicating about a specific edit made, or things along that line. Talk pages are not for posting wild theories/speculation/personal opinions about something. They are not a substitute forum, which is why we have actual forms and blog posts for this purpose. Lancer1289 14:33, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Lancer to a degree. but Lancer, don't you think with so many of us being as excited as we all are about the upcoming climax to our beloved series, maybe it would be okay to let even a little speculation slide on the talk page of ME3. at least for now until the game comes out? I say let the people talk, I know it's not a blog or a forum, but some of us like to have a place to talk without signing up for all those ridiculous forums and blogs. Especially those of us dedicated to a place solely for the preservation of mass effect cannon. However I did say I agree to a certain degree. If your speculation is wild and just a simple guess it belongs in the blogs. IF however you've done your homework and you can make an educated guess on issues regarding mass effect 3 that are important to you I say what's the harm in hearing some good theories from dedicated fans?
 * That is not the point of talk pages. Talk pages are not a substitute forum, and this is what this conversation will turn into. I am excited about ME3 as well, but I also know site policies when it comes to this. Create a blog or a forum post about ME3 so people can talk freely, as that is what those things are for. We can't make an exception to the rule. If you have a question about the article, then that is what talk pages are for, but it is not a substitute forum and that is what we have forums for. Speculation, theories, and "I think this is how it will play out"s belong in the forums. I will more than happily comment there as it is the appropriate for something like this. Talk pages are not the appropriate place for this. I will say it again, I'm excited about the game, but at the same time, please take your excitement to the appropriate places, because there you don't have to worry about people telling you it is the inappropriate place for comments like that and you can rant all you want. Lancer1289 02:45, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ha, true enough. I get you're coming from I posted this before I realized Wiki had it's own blogs and forums.

Game Informer Info
Ok, so I've added a bunch of info from the GameInformer article, as relayed by someone who got their hands on it. There's photos and everything, so we know it's legit. The squadmates and returning characters section is taken from a photo of the article, so shouldn't be controversial, what it says there is in the article. I've also added the gameplay stuff because it would be hard for the early reader to get that wrong.

What I haven't added however is the Plot information. The reason I haven't done this, and don't think other people should (yet) is because it is unclear whether the person who has posted the article's content has understood it correctly. It is also unclear how much of the plot information was actually told to the authors, or whether they inferred it from what they saw. For example, (Spoilers) the reader says that at the beginning Shepard is on trial for the events of Arrival. Without the article to read myself, I am unsure whether the game explicitly states that the trial is about what happened in Arrival, or Arrival's events are mentioned but might not be the whole purpose of the trial, or whether the author of the article just assumed that Arrival was involved or even whether the connection to Arrival was one the reader made. Until I, or a second source, sees the article, then I'm not sure we can be certain that the trial they talk about is actually regarding Arrival or not. JakePT 10:04, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nice additions and I will agree that the plot information should wait until either a senior editor, or an admin can confirm the information. My Gameinformer issue arrives at random times so I don't know if it will be me, so I guess we will all have to wait and see. I guess we can also add more information from it when it comes out. Lancer1289 13:58, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with confirming the information before adding. I strenuously disagree with the notion that the confirmation must come from an admin or senior editor, though. Admins and rollback users have extra tools at their disposal which help them keep the wiki running from a maintenance standpoint. But from a content generation standpoint, they have no more or less say than any other user. The notion that their words and sources somehow count for more than any other editors' is counter to the entire point of a wiki. Either the information is good and should be kept, or the information is not, and should be removed. The editor who produces the information should have little-to-no impact on that determination. -- Dammej ( talk ) 04:56, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I don't seem to have high enough permission to make edits in this article, so I just wanted to mention that, if someone wants to fix it, "Game Informer" is misspelled in the References. Rtl42 06:42, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Taken care of and the reason you can't is you don't have an authenticated email address. Lancer1289 13:10, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Anyone willing to indulge me, take a gander at page 57 of the GI magazine for this month. The picture on the top left...that Cerberus operative looks like he's using rocket boots, no? It looks a little obvious, but there's no mention of it in the article, so I guess its speculation isn't it...but the picture looks pretty clear. TheFedExPope 09:00, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like it, but I don't know why it needs to be in the article. We don't have to mention every little thing, and flying enemies aren't new, the Collectors did that.JakePT 09:06, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'm going to have to agree. If we mention every little thing, then this article will be needlessly long. If this is maybe a new feature for the player, then maybe, but otherwise no as Jake already pointed out, the Collectors were flying enemies. Lancer1289 13:51, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yet the Collectors fly into battle but stay grounded during the fight. A true flying enemy would either hover from place to place during a battle or every now and then would become airborne and land in a different part of the field.Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 14:08, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Returning characters as squad mates.
Wait, so is it still posible that returning characters like mordin,legion, and wrex can still be squad mates or is it set in stone that they will only be returning.--207.200.116.14 04:31, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * The information we have is present in the article which is just returning characters for the moment. Lancer1289 04:33, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * None of them have been specifically ruled out. All the GI article says is 'These are the characters BioWare told us would be squadmates' and 'We saw or heard these characters in parts of the game we saw'. The 'returning characters' fit into the latter. The authors saw them or heard them at some point, but no one told them whether or not they'd be squadmates.JakePT 07:52, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Where should "Geth VI" be placed, in Returning or New? GRPeng 23:38, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

James Sanders
Why do I have that feeling that James Sanders is the unnamed soldier in the Mass Effect 3 Trailer? Also, due to the last name, he could probably be a family member of Kahlee Sanders, right? LordDeathRay (Comm Chatter)  00:30, April 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * He possibly is related to Kahlee. But it has been confirmed by a BioWare dev that he's not the sniper from the trailer. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:33, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep BioWare stated that he is not the person in the trailer. Lancer1289 00:34, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Thanks, my fears are now laid to rest lol. Also, I was recently on youtube, and I found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V_7jKKEnOg&feature=related. Is this possibly an actual soundtrack preview made by Clint Mansell for ME3? Because it "sounds too good" to be a fake made by a random user. LordDeathRay (Comm Chatter)  00:41, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * More than likely. I'm sure wi'll hear something, but just not this early. For all we know, he's still composing. Lancer1289 00:52, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * The MusicID app on my phone detects that music as a track from some Justice League movie.JakePT 10:26, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

So this mystery of the sniper is still haunting us it seems, perhaps we'll hear more about James Sanders and this sneaky little brit in a later news update. GroverA125 09:12, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

So while searching IGN for a Seth Green interview for the ME games, I took a look at this article:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/830/830258p1.html

And I'm thinking there's a good chance that James Sanders and James in this email are the same person. Probably only a major factor for anyone who 'manced Ash in the original game. Interesting bit I thought. TheFedExPope 10:30, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just pointing out that we've had that email on Ashley's page for a long time now as it can be acquired from the ME section of the BioWare website. It was also written on "October 25, 2007". In addition, note that James is an extremely common name, maybe, maybe not we just can't say. Lancer1289 13:05, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I recognized it but took a curious glance at it still. Only reason I bring it up is because I get the feeling Bioware wouldn't have included it and released it prior to ME's release if it didn't have something, even if only a little bit to do with events in the games. TheFedExPope 02:58, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Lancer1289 03:01, April 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * actually the james email is about an actual employee of bungie named james who was transferred to somewhere else i forget the exact statment and where i saw it but i doubt it has anything to do with james sanders

Game engine
It is misleading to say that the ME3 engine is based on ME2 PS3. They are being developed alongside each other, sharing technology where appropriate, but it's not like the ME3 developers took the finished ME2 PS3 engine and developed the game from that. In promoting ME2 PS3 the developers tried to give the opposite idea -- that ME2 PS3 was based on the ME3 engine.

Secondly, if the article mentions what ME3 is based on, why not say what it is truly based on -- the UE3 engine?Tophvision 05:14, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Good points, but your edits make an already unnecessarily long section even longer. I think that paragraph should be deleted altogether. Any reference to this 'news' should just be on the PS3 section of the ME2 page, since, as you correctly note, the PS3 engine news was about ME2 PS3 using ME3's engine, not the other way around.JakePT 05:08, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think both the ME2 PS3 detail and the detail about UE3 should stay, but I would rather have both gone than the UE3 detail removed and the ME2 PS3 detail kept. Lancer said it was "unnecessary" -- how is mentioning that ME3 is based on ME2 PS3 any more necessary than saying it's based on UE3?  BTW I forgot to sign my first post, fixed.  Been a while since I posted on a wiki talk page. Tophvision 05:14, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Level Reset
So how are gonna explain that your level is reset to one or will you be able to start at your previous level?
 * BioWare hasn't given an official explanation yet, but I'm sure they will come up with something. However it does make sense that your level would reset at the beginning of the game, even if it is an import for game balancing reasons. Lancer1289 06:03, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Just putting two and two together here, but from ME-ME2, you get upgraded with some new tech (I'm referring to the upgrade of biotic users). With all the new bits they're adding, they'll most likely re-uprade Shepard at the game beginning. If they do, they may use this as a reason for the decreased level; New implants. It'll probably not end up being this, but this is kinda all we can go off for now, not unless Shep gets amnesia at the start of ME3 or something.GroverA125 22:38, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

I believe (no source quotable) that BioWare said you'd keep your skill trees from ME2, but because of the major skill tree revision, it's more likely you'll simply have all the points from the ME2 skill tree. I believe. -- Swordser, 22:22 Arizona time, June 6, 2011

Un-Loyal Squad Mates Return?
Can un-loyal squad mates survive the suicide mission? and if so is it known if un-loyal squad mates will return in mass-effect 3?
 * It is possible for unloyal squadmates to survive the mission, though it is much harder for them to do so. As for them returning, I believe what was stated that if they survive, then they will return in some capacity. The only one we have confirmed at the moment however is Garrus. Lancer1289 17:36, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

I want to know if the DLC characters Zaeed and Kasumi will have a chance to return in Mass Effect 3
 * Please read my previous comment as you will find the same answer there. Lancer1289 18:05, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks just making sure and the 2nd one wasn't me but they probally will if you downloaded them.

Kai Leng Fix
The Link to Kai Leng's Page is messed up ... that or kai's page is in the wrong format. nvrmnd

New Husk Enemy Revealed
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/05/04/more-mass-effect-3-screens/ (it's the last screenshot)

So it would seem that the new enemy seems to be a husk of a Batarian based on the anatomy of it (the 4 eyes). The question this brings to mind for me would be how long, or rather how fast, does it take for a species to fall and become completely indoctrinated. This is just going based on a 'feel' here, but I was under the impression that the process of turning into a husk takes about a few weeks to a few months. So armed with that in mind, it may be possible to have a rough idea how long Shepard was either away (e.g. during the trial on Earth) or how long and far he has to travel to acquire his allies in Mass Effect 3.

Regardless, with the technology of the Mass Relays enabling space vessels to travel instantaneously from 1 end of space to the other, it does seem unlikely that the creation of Batarian husks could happen in such a short amount of time, I have my doubts that it would take the Reapers weeks or months travelling to Earth from the far reaches of the known galaxy. Granted that there could have been Batarian Husks all along during the time period of Mass Effect 1 and 2, and that they are making a first appearance in Mass Effect 3. It's just that their appearance is throwing my understanding of indoctrination and the creation of husk into awry.

(Afoolishfool 07:27, May 4, 2011 (UTC))

This is old info, as the same screenshot appears in the Game Informer issue. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 11:39, May 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * A few weeks to a few months? You played ME1 right? The colonists on Eden Prime get turned into husks pretty much immediately. Husk ≠ Indoctrination. Also, remember that, as seen in Arrival, the Reapers will be entering the Milky Way in Batarian space. So they're likely among the first of their victims. I think the big four-eyed beast is the 'Cannibal', which is apparently a human/batarian hybrid that eats other enemies to regain health.JakePT 13:08, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Mining
Hope that they remove in me3 what was maybe the worst aspect of the me2 game! Mining.
 * This belongs in a forum or blog post as this is not what a talk page is supposed to be about. Lancer1289 21:31, May 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I concur. But as for your query, it will probably still exist somewhat in ME3. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 21:32, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Squad members
The source article for Zaeed and Thane's return also directly confirms that every previous squad member will be making some kind of appearance if they survived. Should the rest be added, or would the wiki rather wait until they're mentioned specifically by name?--24.255.171.169 13:52, May 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * We're waiting for specific names to be on the safe side. -- Commdor (Talk) 14:12, May 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * "We'll cross that bridge when everyone else is crossing it", that's how this wikia works, and at least it means we KNOW it's 100% accurate. well, maybe 99.9%, but still, point stands.GroverA125 14:36, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, let's wait until we have confirmation on everything before adding it. Lancer1289 17:10, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

AGREE

All Weapons?
The article says: "All weapons that the player acquired in Mass Effect 2 will be available, including downloadable firearms, such as the M-96 Mattock". Okay, but what about the Geth Assualt Rifle? Would this one be included as well? Because as far as i can remember, acquiring this non-standard gun required some extra prerequisites (you had to play at least on Insane difficulty, etc.)
 * I'm assuming you mean the Geth Pulse Rifle, and if you are, we don't have a definitive answer, but it will more than likely be included based on the statements and information we have. Just saying you could play on Hardcore and still get it. And don't forget some of the weapons are DLC only and people didn't have to buy them. Lancer1289 17:19, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I get that the downloadable items such as the M-96 Mattock and the Geth Shotgun should be in ME3, but what about limited time DLC like the Dr. Pepper promotional content and the pre-order bonuses, do we know if they will be in ME3, too?RiftJargon 19:09, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Those were armor pieces and with the exception of the Terminus Weapon and Armor pack, which hasn't been released for Xbox and PC users like the PS3 version, BioWare hint hint, everything has been released. Honeslty though, who knows apart from BioWare. Lancer1289 19:17, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * What about the Collector Assault Rifle? It was part of the Collector's Edition for ME2, but it was also standard DLC for the PS3 version. I think that the Blackstorm Heavy Weapon and the Collector Assault Rifle could be available through the save transfer because even though they were only available through pre-order on the Xbox360 version, they were just like any other DLC for the PS3. RiftJargon 22:09, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Again we just don't know that kind of information, we can only guess. Lancer1289 22:11, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I really hope armor imports as well because I personally love the dragon age armor and almost all of the pieces (except kestrel. that was just dumb).

Murfitizer 21:04, Jan 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Comments like this belong in the forums or a blog post. Lancer1289 02:07, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yesterday, after watching a trailer released by Bioware, I made an edit in the "Combat" section saying that armor from ME2 was imported, which the trailer rather clearly displays. I was just wondering why the edit was removed. Murfitizer 18:03, Febuary 10, 2012 (UTC)

4 member squad?
I've always hated how you can only choose two people for your squad any information if it will still only be two or three like DA:2? (I know you probally don't have any info yet, im just askin for someone to comment when you do)
 * This isn't the place for this sort of thing. Talk pages are for discussing the article, use the forums or blogs for asking questions about the game itself. As for your question, all indications are that it's still 2.JakePT 08:05, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

"ME3"
Can we make putting in "ME3" in the search box redirect to the Mass Effect 3 page? Tanooki1432 17:22, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Kinect? ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.
So latest rumblings say an accidentally leaked box art says ME3 will have Kinect support. Just something to keep an eye on and prepare for in people editing rumors in as fact. Mass Kinect 3--Xaero Dumort 02:48, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting, however I sincerely hope that ME3 doesn’t have some stupid Kinet feature. That is just wrong as you can only work it into the 360 version, not the PC or PS3 versions. I don't think BioWare would do that. What we should be watching however is this. And I really do have to agree with the title. We'll just have to be on the watch for anything official, but I think this will just be a rumor, nothing more or less. If it turns out to be true, then BioWare would have really have lowered their standards. Lancer1289 02:56, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * I dunno. I'd like to see Kinect features. After all, they could easily do PS3 equivalents, what with their motion-sensing controllers. And PC gamers? Well, tough luck. Get a console. Or maybe they could jury-rig some system of keys to do it. Personally, I think that the option of using Kinect (as I highly doubt it'd be mandatory) would be sweet, and would not represent a lowering of standards in the least. Rather, it'd be raising the bar by embracing cool new technologies to enhance the Mass Effect experience. Who wouldn't want playing Mass Effect to be more immersive? SpartHawg948 04:53, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

As an option it would be neat to see how they implement it. I think if the interaction was minimal, such as the ability to do hacking mini-games or mining or what not in that fashion, or even controlling the galaxy map would be a step in the proper direction. Especially for that whole 'Minority Report' feel.--Xaero Dumort 04:57, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * FYI, Kinect will eventually be supported for PC which was announced by Microsoft sometime early this year. So no love lost for PC gamers! — Teugene (Talk) 06:57, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone know if the voice interaction works with a headset? -- (98.233.187.167)
 * Nothing yet, but that would be a nice feature. Lancer1289 15:16, June 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * I dont see why it should not, but the whole kinect thing is just marketing, because there are games that used voicecommand before and they used a mic.

E3 lacked some Tali
'nuff said. We got to see Garrus, Liara, Ashley and probably James was the guy on the helmet if I can guess something, people really hated Kaidan that much that even Casey mentioned it?

Either way, the fuck?! Where's Tali? She was the only one missing from the E3 and she's supposed to be a permanent squadmate if she makes it out the Collector's Base, I'm really pissed...


 * Watch the language. As for the query, maybe she joins later, but BioWare's not telling exactly when. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 20:24, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Seriously, take these kinds of things to the appropriate places, i.e. the forums or a blog post. And the language was completely unacceptable. Lancer1289 20:34, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Or what, what are you bunch of dickheads gonna do about it?

Man, I hoped that talimancers had died out... --kiadony 16:38, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * They never will as she has, from what I've read, the largest fan cult. Lancer1289 16:44, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what you're talking about :) Tali&#39;s no.1 fan 16:56, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * This has gotten off topic, if this discussion wants to continue, then move it to the appropriate place. I merely made a point, and now that I'm looking at it, I probably shouldn't have. Lancer1289 17:02, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I mean the uncivilized mindless clinically obsessed fans that have gained notoriety among the rest of community. I don't mean you, Tali's no.1 fan, for you are a normal person. I'm also a Tali fan (and yeah I've even done a painting of her), but I'm not a cultist... I think you know what I mean. --kiadony 17:04, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

I do know what you mean. I love Tali but it's not like I want to "indoctrinate" everyone to do the same. I love Garrus, Zaeed, Liara, Wrex, Legion, Thane and Grunt equally as much. Tali&#39;s no.1 fan 17:12, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, now please take this to the appropriate forum. Lancer1289 17:24, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * No need. I've said all I needed to. Tali&#39;s no.1 fan 17:33, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Lancer, do you ever get tired of being such a massive douche?


 * That's a highly inappropriate comment. This wiki has a policy against using offensive language. And Lancer is right, article talk pages are not the correct venue for these types of discussions, the forums and/or personal blogs are. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:05, July 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Inappropriate, but needed, IMO. In just a few days of browsing this wiki, Lancer comes off as a bit of a "know it all" with too much time on his hands. I wouldn't have called him a douche like anon there did, but a "lighten up, broski" is definitely needed. And if ya'll don't like offensive language, have an admin put on a language filter, for fucks sake. It's an M rated game full of swears and shit. You don't like bad words, go hang out on a My Little Pony wiki or something.--76.234.129.55 19:33, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * And you just bork the langauge policy twice in one comment, and this topic isn't appropriate on talk pages as it isn't what talk pages are for. If you want to talk about this, take it to the apporpiate places, which have already been listed. Lancer1289 19:37, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Inappropriate and unnecessary, as was your comment. You don't like the language policy? Go hang out at another wiki or something. Don't come here and knowingly violate site policy. SpartHawg948 19:39, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Dont violate the policy, but lancer does need to lighten up. Believe it or not, you don't know EVERYTHING about mass effect. Frankly, if someone changes something you wrote, double and triple check before rewriting the post. BeoW0lfe 11:45, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Omni-Blade = Weapon or Combat?
Shouldn't the new Omni-Blade be mentioned in either the Combat or Weapons sections? It's obviously a big part of ME3, considering it's on the Box Art, (or at least the placeholder box art) and on most of the videos featured at E3 yesterday. Even if the Blade were exclusive to a specific class, which I am sure it's not, it still warrants a mention on the page. --67.2.52.176 15:44, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * We do have a mention somewhere about each class having a unique melee attack, and that is what that was. That is what we are putting it as. Lancer1289 15:54, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, as far as we can tell so far the Omni Blade is exclusive to the soldier class as it's special melee attack, however there is not yet enough sufficient confirmed data from bioware that says if other classes will have different tools all together or just different uses of the omniblade.
 * Different uses. A Sentinel will dual-wield, while the Engineer will use a burning blade.

Kasumi and Zaeed are returning
As stated in this recent vid here, it has been mentioned already that Zaeed and Kasumi will definitely return. Zaeed is already on the list, but Kasumi is not, please update it.



E3 Plot Details
So from the live broadcast some interesting plot details were revealed. The invasion of Earth apparently starts while Shepard is on trial for something (quite possibly the evens of The Arrival though it may just be a compilation of all of Shepard's actions in the second game that were questionable) and he and Anderson escape after the Normandy arrives. Two other missions had a missile strike on a Geth base, with Legion as the pilot for an escape vehicle that was then used to fire on something massive thing that just might have been a small Reaper, and the other had Mordin trying to a secure a Krogan female with Shepard helping too fight off Cerberus. Dialog for the former mission indicated the Quarian fleet, but that's not much info, however the latter revealed a couple of interesting things. First we had the female being the key to stopping the Krogan and Turians from fighting, so apparently that's happening (I could have misheard I'll admit but she was the key to stopping some inter-species conflict), and the other is that the Cerberus enemies were indoctrinated. --BustermanZero 19:32, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * And most of this information belongs in the Storyline III article. The plot here is just a very general overview. Lancer1289 19:41, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * It should just stay here until a) more info is released, and b) the text becomes more polished. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 19:57, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * No it shouldn't stay here. It belongs in the Storyline article, not here. Lancer1289 20:00, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Grenades
Grenades are listed under both weapons and powers. Should that be so? Tali&#39;s no.1 fan 21:11, June 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nope. I recall from one of the E3 demos that "Frag Grenade" was shown on the powers screen in ME3, but since it was a demo, things probably aren't finalized. If we get confirmation that grenades are a power only, then we can go ahead and remove them from the Weapons section. -- Commdor (Talk) 22:48, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

The demo confirms that grenades are powers. Different grenade type for different classes, though I can't remember off-hand if every class gets a grenade.86.48.93.2 05:50, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Don't know if this counts but...
Does anyone remember when Bungie said that Halo 3 was going to the last one in the Trilogy? And now there is a Halo 4? Maybe, just maybe, if Mass Effect is popular enough they may make a new Series. Of course Shepard wouldn't return (In order to maintain the illusion that Shepard is whoever you want him/her to be) so it would rather...... I'm speculating aren't I?
 * Please take comments like this to the appropriate place, which is the forums or a blog post. This is not what talk pages are for, posting random and wild theories. Lancer1289 01:25, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Returning Characters
There are Chars who survived the Events on ME1 und ME2. You should differ thoes which the ones who may not have survived.
 * And way would we do that? They are still returning characters aren't they? Lancer1289 16:23, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Stop deleting my edit! >:(
I keep having to edit the returning characters part of the Mass Effect 3 page because someone keeps removing Samara from the list. It was confirmed and reported here http://www.videogamer.com/news/mordin_and_samara_confirmed_for_mass_effect_3.html that Samara will return. Seriously, STOP DELETING THAT POST because I'm just going to keep putting it back


 * The source has been deemed unreliable, though. This is the only E3 news article that confirmed Samara, but Samara appeared in none of the E3 ME3 demos. It's possible that the writer here confused Liara, an asari who does appear in the E3 demos, with Samara. Until we get confirmation from another source, we're holding off on adding Samara to the list of returning characters. And I'll warn you now, if you continue to use the same source to add Samara to the list, you'll be edit warring and can be blocked. -- Commdor (Talk) 02:28, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

...I guess I should have realized what it was talking about and that it was Liara. I just assumed there was maybe a part the public hadn't seen and it showed Samara. Guess not :|


 * Don't worry, I fell for it too until another user pointed it out. Second-hand info like this about any game that hasn't been released yet should always be taken with a grain of salt. We just have to be patient enough to sort the truth from the hype. If Samara is planned to return in ME3 (which I don't doubt, BioWare has stated that major characters from previous games will appear in some capacity in ME3), we'll hear about it from other sources or even straight from BioWare eventually. -- Commdor (Talk) 03:08, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

I guess I'm just impatient and would rather have her confirmed sooner than later, after all she is my favorite character out of all the BioWare games I've played xD

Fortitude power new power
Should we add the fortitude as new power in Mass Effect 3 as seen in this screenshot of the squad view?



We don't have any idea what it does, or if it will even survive the alpha/beta stages. We'd just be adding a stub. --69.131.72.4 22:23, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Just to clairify....
The game was put back partly because of Skyrim. Anyone disagree? Incidentally, unless it's considered just speculation, should it be mentioned?NickTyrong 23:48, June 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Unless you have a reliable, verifiable source for this (and it would pretty much have to be the word of a BioWare or EA employee), it would be speculation. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:16, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup. It's speculation, plain and simple. At least without a source, it is. And Commdor is pretty much right about the sourcing there. SpartHawg948 05:48, June 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I thought it was put back to "allowing more time to create a top class game" --N7 Talk 06:20, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's the reason they gave, but internally it may be because of Skyrim. We don't know for sure. Personally, it doesn't matter to me... — Teugene (Talk) 07:02, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nor I. Honestly, I am a bit excited that now I won't have to rush my playthroughs of Skyrim to accommodate the release of ME3.And if the extra time is really devoted to making the game as awesome as possible, then that is just fantastic! :D SpartHawg948 07:38, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't blame them for delaying it simply because of Skyrim, 'cause that game is gonna take a LONG time to explore, much less finish. Don't know how Spart plans on doing it in 4 months. --CommanderCousland 02:52, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * If we are going to continue along this thread, might I suggest a more appropriate forum, like the forums or a blog post. Comments like really blong there as is isn't what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 02:54, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not just Skyrim. Battlefield 3, Modern Warfare 3 and Uncharted 3 are all due in the same time frame. It's just a crowded time of the year and ME3 was too late to set a precise date. While they'll definitely use the time to polish up, it's quite clear the crowded holiday was the primary reason. In the article 'address a far larger market opportunity' covers this reason quite nicely, and probably what he was really talking about anyway. Can't say anymore without a source.JakePT 11:07, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * So many threes.......NickTyrong 04:44, July 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * There might be a business component to it, in avoiding the competition, but when I heard it I assumed it really was to improve the quality. I was surprised when they put forward such an early release date, less than two years after ME2, and I was concerned they might rush a substandard product to market.  A few more months seem more in line with typical game development cycles.  (BioWare might also be feeling more inclined to make ME3 as good as they can possibly get it after catching flak on Dragon Age II...) Diyartifact 05:49, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Topics like this belong in the forums or a blog post as this isn't what talk pages are for. Speculation and posting of theories is not for talk pages. Lancer1289 05:51, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Preorder
PC Collector's Edition can be found here:

http://www.game.co.uk/Default.aspx/Games/PC-Games-and-Downloads/Role-Playing/Mass-Effect-3-Collectors-Edition/~r355276/?d=1z13fvfZ1z13mn1Z1z13f85&addtowishlist=355276

Wreav to return in ME3
So, I saw a SDCC 2011 video of ME3, and the level was still Sur´Kesh, only with some new things, subtitles included. One thing I saw was that both Wrex and Wreav were there. Is this worth adding?

Here´s the link:

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/usermovies/359386

It´s at 09:53.93.102.131.138 09:08, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * We really need something more than this right now, but it is interesting. Lancer1289 16:02, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Why do we need more confirmation that Wreav is in the game? Shouldn't the game itself be a reliable source? Cultfanatic 01:26, July 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * All we've got from that demo of the game is a very brief mention of Wreav in the subtitles, which is contradicted earlier in the demo (around 7:36) when Mordin says "Hope Urdnot Wrex still waiting". The subtitles that say Wreav is speaking that appear later on could be a typo. If Wreav is going to return in ME3, I'm sure BioWare will give us more definitive evidence down the line. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:46, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Returning Characters II
Shouldn't Grunt be added to the returning characters list? It's been said multiple times that all major characters would at the very least appear in the game, sqaud member or not. Cultfanatic 01:36, July 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * We're waiting on more specific confirmation than that. BioWare didn't specifically name returning characters with that statement, so we shouldn't make assumptions about which characters it refers to. I'm certain that Grunt will return in ME3, but it's better to be cautious and wait for irrefutable proof that he will return than to come to our own unreliable conclusions. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:50, July 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thats makes sense. I just thought it was odd that seemingly every other squad member was already mentioned; kind of made it look like a mistake. Cultfanatic 19:28, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer
http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_261935.jpg

It's confirmed, but from what I've been hearing, any subjects about the matter that are being posted on the BioWare forums are being deleted due to their whole 'no speculation or rumor posting' rule (my guess being they're waiting for the magazine to be officially released). However, from what I've been able to gather, it's going to be added as a DLC about a month or so after the game's release. EDIT: Oops, forgot to sign. -_-' --Soren7550 16:10, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

While it does seem confirmed several magazines including this one have added much speculation about other games and sometimes it has been false even if it says in the magazine that Bioware have confirmed I would say wait until a proper say so from Bioware Riley Heligo 16:26, August 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * At the least we can't say otherwise until the article is available to be read or BioWare says it is true. i wouldn't be surprised and frankly if it is DLC for later, I really hope it is like my Pinnacle Station theory. At the least we can say that the addition of multiplayer won't water down the work done to the single player. Like RE5.--Xaero Dumort 17:31, August 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also I should point out that it is incorrect to begin with. BioWare has stated that there will be no multiplayer for Mass Effect 3. Lancer1289 18:17, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe Lancer1289 is right. I've looked into this pretty deeply, and all credible evidence suggests that this magazine is rumor mongering.  That is to say no one connected officially to ME3 has said anything other than they are not adding multiplayer.209.34.36.115 06:09, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe that the phrase "rumor mongering" would be accurate in this case. Another user also looked into this and he said that the magazine is just playing off rumors of it and will be reiterating them. Lancer1289 06:16, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

On the BioWare page it says there will be a cooperative multiplayer. Ruler Of The Wastes 23:48, January 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * This is an expired discussion that occurred before ME3's multiplayer mode was officially announced. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:52, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Gamescom Info
Shouldn´t the ME3 page be updated with this info?

http://www.giantbomb.com/mass-effect-3/61-29935/mass-effect-3-gamescom-2011/35-510677/

The bit about alien females and save import for a dead Shepard are messed up. The opposite has been confirmed for both.93.102.140.164 16:04, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * First, that isn't a reliable or credible source as it is a forum/blog, and those are not acceptable sources. Second, the bit about females is irrelevant and not worth mentioning. Third, until there is much more information, BioWare stated that if Shepard died in ME2, then Shepard is dead, and I really don't see them changing it. If there is a change, then it will be noted, but only with a reliable and credible source. Lancer1289 16:19, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

New shots with two enemies and Sentinel blade?
Geth Pyro? Of course we have no real name for it, but Shepard and Garrus are fighting what has the body attributes of most geth along with what looks to be a tank and a Firestorm. Nothing definitive though.

What appears to be the Sentinel double blade we have heard about and a new Cerberus soldier. There are some other screenshots that have been released, but these show the most information in my opinion. --Xaero Dumort 19:22, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * We don't have much information on either one, and while it is interesting, we just don't have a place for either one yet. We are still somewhat in limbo over where to place the omni-blade stuff. Incorporate it into the ME3 Combat article? Put it in its own article. Incorporate it into the Omni-Tool article? Or some combination of the above? We just need to see what happens. But it is interesting nonetheless. As we get more information, we'll have to see what we do with it as this is really going to end up being a case-by-case basis of "Do we have enough information to justify an article and do we have a name for it?” We’ll just have to follow the winds, so to speak, on this one. Lancer1289 19:28, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

I know Lancer, that's why I put them here, that way people can see and talk about them. With all partial information we just wait and see. I wanted nothing more than to make sure the images could be shared and seen by the community. I would never want an article made about either enemy until we knew their names. And as far as the omni-blade, personally I think they should be put into the omni-tool page, but the biotic melee's are going to be a little more difficult.--Xaero Dumort 19:44, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * If we are going to discuss them, then I would suggest moving it to a forum or blog post as this isn't what talk pages are for. Sharing them in OK as they are relevant to the article, but discussion over what they might be belongs elsewhere as it falls under the speculation heading for now. Lancer1289 19:48, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Talk was the wrong word to use, I meant more as in to strike up knowledge and that way people know it is listed within the community and don't start jumping and making edits based on information that is incomplete.--Xaero Dumort 19:54, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah I see. Hopfeully we can avoid the edits for now because again, there just isn't that much information yet. Lancer1289 19:55, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Multiplayer
I see we've jumped on the bandwagon here. Hasn't this been "confirmed" before and then immediately "unconfirmed"? Where is the article with a quote from a developer? All I see is one website quoting a PREVIEW from an Australian PC rag. Why don't we wait until we have the article in hand?--144.96.212.163 16:02, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure multiplayer hasn't been confirmed before, only rumored and then those rumors were put down by BioWare. But unlike the previous cases, this source is clear in its wording: ME3 will have online multiplayer, and BioWare's Casey Hudson is dishing out the details. Hudson's involvement lends the news all the credibility it needs. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:19, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * This magazine wouldn't have been the first to "exaggerate" it's claims in a preview article. Until I see Hudson or another exec with a direct quote, this is speculation to me.--144.96.212.163 16:24, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * How about this, when the magazine article comes out, make sure you or someone can actually read the article for content. If a copy of the article can't be found, we remove the info.  If the content turns out that they asked Hudson about multiplayer and Hudson told them nothing, this little nugget get removed.--144.96.212.163 16:28, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * (Edit conflict) How about a Tweet from the official Mass Effect Twitter account? -- Commdor (Talk) 16:29, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Here's the same cover that OXM is using, but it shows two other characters on the side, PC Powerplay.--Xaero Dumort 17:06, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * BTW, they deleted the original tweet due to a spelling error. Here's the new one. --Didymos 17:43, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's confirmation any way you slice it.--144.96.212.163 18:14, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Multiplayer? ...NoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 * Take comments like this to the appropriate place as this had nothing to do with the subject, which was verifiying the statment made. I will have a blog about this in a few minutes. Lancer1289 20:31, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Volus!!!
I want to be a volus in co-op mode! I will kill you with my adorable drugginess and biotic godness!!!


 * In the future, keep in mind that article talk pages are reserved for discussion of the articles themselves (maintenance, organization, sourcing, etc.). General comments about the subject matter of articles should be made in the Forums or User Blogs. -- Commdor (Talk) 04:30, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Beta Leak
Should we include names and characters revealed in the beta leak, or not-probably not since it's an early version of code-though some parts look finalized. I saw a Lt. Cortez piloting a Kodiak, a salarian on Rannoch named Padok Wiks, who takes you to Kirrahe-note: he has some pistol that shoots mini singularities. User:RevanSentinel 22:55, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * The words "beta leak" should have been a clue. We do not under any circumstances accept leaked information. Especially when the devs say it’s a rough cut and not the finished product. Lancer1289 04:03, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Noveria Returns
According to the newest issue of Game Informer (#224), Noveria is said to be a playable multiplayer area, and all the multiplayer areas are in the single-player campaign.--164.104.240.169 18:01, November 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Once I (my own issue is due to arrive soon) or another user verify this, we'll update the article. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:12, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Which may be tomorrow or sometime next week as it is Veterans Day here in the US and there is no mail delivery. Lancer1289 19:33, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Got it yesterday, and Noveria is listed. It has been added to the article. Lancer1289 23:55, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Unknown Topic
I have confirmation that helmets can be turned on/off entirely or just off during conversations from a tweet from Sylvf1, a Bioware employee. i don't know where to put this (if it even should be in the article) and how to reference it. Help please XSpectreGreyX 08:31, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, we have a very major issue that we need to get past first. We need independent confirmation on who Sylvf1 is as we have several BioWare twitter accounts, but we haven't seen this one before. Saying that "it's this person" isn't enough, we need to see independent confirmation on who they are, and that they work for BioWare. If we can get that, then we can continue, but not until then. Lancer1289 14:28, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * She's a writer, and a cursory glance at her twitter account makes it clear she does indeed work for Bioware. That or all those other people who work for Bioware are perpetrating an elaborate hoax by playing along.  Also, she's posted on the forums as "Sylvf" numerous times.  Just google for that on BSN and you'll see the "Bioware" tag under the username.--Didymos 14:52, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not enough, and even if the name's were the same, which they aren't, we need proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and there’s still a lot of reasonable doubt. Looking at a profile, and searching BSN for a similar, not the same user name, isn't enough as, and this might come as a surprise, people lie. For of the best examples of this, I turn to the recent mayoral elections in Chicago. During the recent elections, incumbent Mayor, Rahm Emanuel, had a Twitter account, but the big shock came when it turned out it wasn't him tweeting. Someone made up the account and fooled everyone until he came clean. We need irrefutable proof, and this isn't it. Lancer1289 15:03, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * If I may counter you, Lancer, if you look at her Twitter name it says "Sylvf (Sylvf1) on Twitter"; the first name, "Sylvf," matches her BSN name; the second name is her twitter handle. So they are technically the same name, it's just apparent that "Sylvf" was taken already. I still agree that we can't add it until we get confirmation from an outside source that she is in fact the BioWare Employee who posts on the BSN forums. But at least we know the names are the same. --Burkenation 15:54, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * So that would be a no on getting confirmation then. The names are not the same as the comments I made a month ago still stand. Lancer1289 21:00, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree here; more confirmation is needed before something like this can be taken seriously. But I want to point out that Burkenation kinda contradicted himself. You said that her twitter handle is "Sylvf1", which mostly matches her BSN name, but has the number one appended to the end because "it's apparent that "Sylvf" was taken already". I'll admit I haven't even clicked on the links in this discussion, and the matter is a little more complex, but it seems to me that "Sylvf" is a pretty random string of characters, likely with a specific personal reason, and the odds of there being two "Sylfvf"s on the internet without one of them (say, Sylvf1?) impersonating the other seems astronomical to me. Hope I didn't muddle my point too much; What are the odds that "Sylfvf" was already taken? One of them is likely the real employee and the other her impersonator. --FoxtrotZero 01:09, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think I contradicted myself. I admit what I said made more sense in my head. Let me try and explain it a different way. Let's say I'm on twitter. but I want to be more creative with my handle. For argument's sake let's say my name is "Mike Burke." But on twitter I choose a twitter handle that is unique and has personal meaning to me. I choose "@hhspanther2009", for instance. On twitter I am displayed as "Mike Burke (hhspanther2009) on twitter"; as i stated before, "Mike Burke" is my name and the part in parenthesis, in this case "hhspanther2009" is my twitter handle. What I said about "Sylvf" being taken may or may not end up being true. But when a BioWare Employee posts on the BioWare Forums as Sylvf and her twitter account displays her actual name as Sylvf, with yes a slightly (but still) different twitter handle, it sheds some measure of suspiscion (if I spelled that wrong I apologize, I am at times, bad at spelling...anyone, please feel free to correct that error...but I digress). That said, the other Bioware employee twitter accounts should also face the same scrutiny as hers, because anyone can make an account on twitter with a name of a public person and claim to be them. Some have been confirmed via events such as the 'tweet us your question' videos on BioWare pulse, but perhaps not all. Anyway, this entire needlessly long reply was to defend myself, admit that what I said made more sense in my head than it did when you guys read it (reading it again, I see your points), and to again make my argument that on Twitter the name is more important for verification than the handle because many people decide on twitter handles that have nothing to do with their names. It's also IIRC been confirmed on BSN (I'll do a search and edit this reply) yeah so...yeah --Burkenation 04:53, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand what you're saying now. It doesn't help that I'm not very familiar with Twitter. At all. Whatsoever. -- Foxtrot Zero  18:46, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

Video
New Video

On the VGAs this video of Sheppard running from a Reaper was released: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn21I7YZ-r8&lc=1XsIxINx-xOmgjrL3hox_STOao6-50YDtY3cpU41VX0&feature=inbox should it be listed?
 * No because we don't upload videos to the wiki, or post them in articles. Even trailers. Also, it's Shepard not Sheppard. Lancer1289 14:22, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

ME3 given 15+ rating by BBFC
Just to let you guys know that BBFC have given ME3 a 15 age rating (You have no idea how happy that makes me) http://www.bbfc.co.uk/ADM286441/ I would add it myself but I don't know where to put it on the page and I still haven't got the hand of sourcing. User:JediSpectre117 09:55, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

N7 Collector's Edition on Origin
The N7 Collector's edition is available on Origin, but apparently only in US/Canada. Click here for the available editions on Origin (only if you're in the US/Canada, otherwise, it will send you to the Origin front page). Since JakePT is in Australia, he must see something different offered from Origin. Trandra 17:34, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, finally resorted to a proxy (seems it's impossible for me to change my location). You're right. My Apologies. My understanding was that 'Origin' referred exclusively to the Digital Download service (which is all it is Down Under) and didn't sell physical copies of games for any platform. In my defence I did scour the (Australian) Origin site for any mentions of physical games or other platforms, and even checked Wikipedia's Origin article before undoing your edit. I had assumed you'd made the mistake of confusing the N7 Digital Version with the N7 Collector's Edition. Turns out I was wrong. JakePT 23:00, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * No problems; thank you for the apology. I wanted to add something in the edit summary about why I undid it, but the laptop I'm working on tends to publish an undo without giving me the opportunity to do so. Trandra 23:44, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I can see where the confusion came in. Origin refers to what used to be the EA store. EA decided to move their entire service to Origin. Regardless if you purchase digital, or a physical copy of their games, it comes from Origin. EA could have done a much better job however at pointing that out.
 * However there is still a problem, which Jake pointed out in his edit summary. What I would propose here is that another sup is added stating that the Raider is only available for physical copies of the Collector's Edition of ME3. Lancer1289 00:13, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

I preordered literally, the first day possible. But my local retailer is not say, a gamestop. Since i preordered before the bonus material was announced, is it possible to obtain some of the preorder bonuses?
 * There's nothing that changes. If you preorder from GameStop, then you will get the preorder bonuses from them, regardless of when you preordered. Lancer1289 19:46, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

retail bonus offers wrong?
i have preordered mass effect 3 collectors edition from game uk, and this page states that there are extra items that will be delivered. however, unlike game australia that states the bonus items they give for the preorders of ce me3( and so do other sites like gamestop us), there is no such mention/article in game uk. did they just forget or is the info in this page wrong and there are no bonuses if you preorder from game uk?

and even if we do indead get items for our preorder, will their codes be shipped along with our order or something? or emailed to us? how does it work?
 * The UK information is from this press release. Game must still be waiting for the proper date they were supposed to show the info, which hasn't happened yet. Hence the lack of a full list from BioWare.
 * As for how you get it, I'd imagine it differs between retailers. Some email it, some will have it on the receipt and some will have a little pamphlet. You'd have to ask Game.JakePT 11:07, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Release date changed for Australia
Release date has apparently been pushed back to March 8th for Australia at least (went to EB Games to confirm after seeing an article by RockPaperShotgun stating the 8th; EB employee confirmed that the date has changed to the 8th from the 6th for Australia at least.) --175.38.196.142 07:32, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * It has been adjusted. While I was at it, I also added the new release date for Europe, which is the 9th. The source I used for that however was from Wikipedia and if someone can find something better, then go for it. Lancer1289 10:54, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Demo Early Access
There are two sections in the ME3 demo--quote from the FAQ:

What content will be included in the Mass Effect 3 demo?

There are two sections in the Mass Effect 3 demo, both included as part of a single download: The single player section includes 2 areas: the opening level featuring the Reaper attack on Earth, and a level further into the game where Shepard travels to an alien home world to seek their assistance in the war effort. This will be approximately 1 to 2 hours of content.The co-op multiplayer section includes 2 maps: Slum and Noveria. This section will be open to players who have qualified for the early multiplayer access as of Feb 14, and will then open up to all players on Feb 17. (emphasis mine)

The front news page as it is implies that only those with early access can play the demo at all on Feb. 14, when the FAQ specifies that there are two sections, and specifically singles out "early multi-player access." Trandra 20:21, January 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree that it's confusing. I've simplified the main page news blurb, it links to the section about the demo which details early access anyway. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:15, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Mass Effect 3 system requirements released
Minimum Spec:

Recommended Spec:
 * 1) OS – Windows XP SP3/Vista SP1, Win 7
 * 2) CPU – 1.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (equivalent AMD CPU)
 * 3) RAM – 1GB for XP / 2GB RAM for Vista/Win 7
 * 4) Disc Drive – 1x speed
 * 5) Hard Drive – 15 GB of free space
 * 6) Video – 256 MB* (with Pixel Shader 3.0 support)
 * 7) Sound – DirectX 9.0c compatible
 * 8) DirectX – DirectX 9.0c August 2009 (included)

This is official. Just found it at BioWare forums.
 * 1) OS – Windows XP SP3/Vista SP1, Win 7
 * 2) CPU – 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (equivalent AMD CPU)
 * 3) RAM – 2GB for XP / 4GB RAM for Vista/Win 7
 * 4) Disc Drive – 1x speed
 * 5) Hard Drive – 15 GB of free space
 * 6) Video – AMD/ATI Radeon HD 4850 512 MB or greater, NVidia GeForce 9800 GT 512 MB or #greater
 * 7) Sound – DirectX 9.0c compatible
 * It is already in the article, and was put there about two hours ago. Lancer1289 17:09, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Multipayer character import?
I read an ign article saying that players can import multiplayer characters into single player. I have heard no word from any other sources, and no other details except from how. Is there any confirmation or other details on this, and if there is, is it worthy to be posted on the multiplayer page? I believe the article is called Mass Effect is more like assassins creed than dead space--TheExiledGear 23:30, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you could provide a link to the article, then it could be properly examined. However, since we've never heard of this from elsewhere, odds are unlikely, but the link would be nice. Lancer1289 23:41, January 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Link. It may have something to do with the War Asset system for Galaxy at War. Assets each have a certain value which is added to a total number which is calculated in your Galactic Readiness rating. A squad of troops may have a value of +25, for example. Perhaps a fully-leveled multiplayer character would be an Asset. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:51, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Alright guess this is a wait and see thing--TheExiledGear 01:39, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Help Me with the Preorder Bonuses
Ok, I've been doing research and it seems that the N7 Warfare Gear is available only on in the Digital Deluxe Edition through Origin in Poland, and available everywhere (including Origin) in Singapore , and possibly Hong Kong or all of EA Asia's regions.

The reason I'm posting for help is that this information makes the Retail Bonus Items table useless. Almost every box will have a tick and users will not get any use out of it without diving into the footnotes. Therefore I think we need to discuss an alternate way to display the information, as the table with ticks is not up to the job if every box will have a tick. It's simply not possible to simply describe this incredible mess of a promotion in a table. JakePT 16:10, January 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok I've been trying to wrap my head around this for about 20 minutes now and perhaps I'm missing something. I really don't see what is the problem here is as I can't see what is different. All we do is add to the table is under 1,
 * "Origin(link to Polish site), (link to Singapore site)
 * "(name of retailer in Singapore)(link to site).
 * I'm not sure what the problem as that is all we have to do. Each region does what it wants, and we just have to adapt to it. I can’t see how the table won’t still function with the new informaiton. Lancer1289 17:25, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Why Noveria?
As nostalgic as Noveria will be, why there? There might be some useful research data there, but not enough to make it worth a serious battle. There must be some other reason Noveria is going to be a battleground. Thoughts? Cus i'm stumped.BeoW0lfe 13:37, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Again this is not the appropriate place for this. You know this as you have been told this policy at least twice. Take things like this to the appropriate places, a.k.a. the forums or a blog post. Lancer1289 13:44, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Bonuses beyond Preorder
I heard from a few sources of DLC items provided beyond those received from the preorder and wanted to list what I've found:

-Reckoning-Themed Armor/Weapon (XBOX(idk about the others)): Download and finish the Demo for Kingdoms of Amular: Reckoning. Source: http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/01/18/get-your-mass-effect-3-exclusives-in-kingdoms-of-amular-reckoning

-Collectors Assault Rifle (PC/XBOX Exclusive): Obtained by Preordering the Art of the Mass Effect 3 Universe book by 02/20/12. Source: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/121/1217347p1.html

-"a code that can be redeemed for bonus content for Mass Effect 3 multi-player that could include powerful weapons to take on the Reapers. The pack could also include character boosters, weapon modifications, and weapon upgrades to make your multi-player squad stronger." (PC/XBOX Exclusive): Obtained by purchasing the ME3 figurines from BigBadToyStore. Source: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/121/1217122p1.html and http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=DCC11280&mode=retail&picture=out

This information has already been known and posted on this site.--TheExiledGear 18:32, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

How do you activate your early access?
Hey Guys - I got Battlefield 3 new at Play.com for Xbox and it came with a leaflet invitation to the ME3 Multiplayer Beta/Demo/Whatever. Is the access registered with my EA/Origin account or do I have to register it? and if so, how?
 * BioWare will have a tool at masseffect.com next week sometime to allow people to check to see that they are in fact registered for Early Access. Anyone can download the Demo once it's live on the 17th, but if you have early access you get access on the 14th. There's some info in the article, but I'll check BSN as I know there's a forum about it and I'll post the link. But I have to drive home right now, so that will take about 30-40 minutes, and then to find the page will be about another 10. Lancer1289 18:14, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's the BSN page with the FAQ about the demo. Apologies for the delays. Curse traffic and my stomach wanting food. Lancer1289 19:32, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * The tool will be up February 7th 2012 per the BioWare Social Network. --Burkenation 19:35, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

AT-12 Raider Exclusivity
I was reading the section on pre-order bonuses and I think I came across an error; I believer the Raider Shotgun is Available to all Origin pre-orders and not just the digital download --Clockwork 777 01:11, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Origin is a digital download service.--Xaero Dumort 01:52, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually Origin is now EA's store. You can order both physical and digital copies from it. Lancer1289 02:43, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * In the US, perhaps. In other countries such as the UK you can only order Digital Download PC products via the Origin store, they do not offer physical copies, or sell the PS3/Xbox 360 versions. BTCentral 13:57, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

The only reason I brought this up is because that when I ordered My Xbox 360 version of Mass Effect 3 from Origin it said that I would receive the AT-12 Raider Shotgun.--Clockwork 777 04:52, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I learned something today.--Xaero Dumort 08:30, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Since we seem to be in agreement and since I can not edit the Mass Effect 3 page, I would like to see if someone, who could edit the Mass Effect 3 page, could change this line "4Available exclusively for PC version ordered through the EA Origin service." to this line "4 Available exclusively for pre-orders through the EA Origin service.".--Clockwork 777 02:48, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

mass effect 3 ce xbox 360 not available in game.co.uk
made an preorder to game.co.uk some weeks back mass effect 3 ce xbox 360. the order is still on yet when i search for it, its not even available. u can preorder now the standard editions, the ps3 and pc collectors edition, but xbox360 ce is nowhere to be seen. what is going on? what will happen to my order? will they just ignore it and cancel it at the last minute? here is the link to the search results...

http://www.game.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/AjaxCatalogSearch?storeId=10151&catalogId=10201&langId=44&pageSize=20&beginIndex=0&sType=SimpleSearch&resultCatEntryType=2&showResultsPage=true&pageView=image&predictiveSearchURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.game.co.uk%2Fwebapp%2Fwcs%2Fstores%2Fservlet%2FAjaxPredictiveSearchView%3FcatalogId%3D10201%26langId%3D44%26storeId%3D10151&searchTerm=mass+effect+3&searchBtn.x=0&searchBtn.y=0
 * This isn't the place to post stuff like this. Talk pages are for discussing the making of the article itself. Next time use a Blog Post or the Forum. Cheers.
 * As for your question, you'll need to ask Game. Looks to me like it's just sold out.JakePT 09:58, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Jake is correct the CE is sold out I've noticed that 360 limited editions tend to sell out more thank god I ordered mine before this happened — Riley Heligo  11:24, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

I'm about to spoil a small part of the demo
I felt uneasy towards the last half of the first part of the demo. Simply because you see the death of a child right before your eyes. Basically a kid you you see in an air vent is worried you talk to him just to see him run off back through the vent. Later towards the end you see him board a shuttle to escape earth when a reaper blows the shuttle up right in front of you.. Just like in the mw3 mission "mind the gap"  when a child gets blown up in front of you. Are bioware trying to make a compelling story showing us the reality of the situation or are they just making more controversy for the video game indestry. I believe it's for emotion and to make you fell uneasy but I have to admit I felt pretty uncomfortable after the death scene. Anyway I'll end it there I love mass effect and this was in no way a knock at the game for showing a child death I just want to hear what the community says.
 * Stuff like this belongs in the Forum or in a blog post, this page is for discussing the upkeep of the ME3 article. Cheers.JakePT 11:57, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

(Spoilers) Is the Kid in the first mission of the demo a figment of Shepard's imagination or is he real?
I was playing the demo today and noted every time the kid appears only Shepard interacts with him. Even as the kid gets on the shuttle at the end, no one notices or helps him on. Is the kid real or a manifestation of Shepard's fear of failure? 68.45.190.47 06:19, February 15, 2012 (UTC)Red Geist


 * This would be a more appropriate topic for the wiki's Forums. Article talk pages are reserved for discussing the upkeep of articles themselves. -- Commdor (Talk) 06:27, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Armor Imports
IS it worth mentioning somewhere that (based upon one of the recent Bioware trailers) that armor from ME2 imports? or should I wait until the game comes out to confirm that? --This text has been approved by Murfitizer 04:40, February 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * We don't know for certain yet if the armor sets import, it could be that they're included in ME3 from the start. -- Commdor (Talk) 04:42, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Squadmates
I tried to add The Prothean to the list of Squadmates but then I realized I didn't have the reference to cite, but when I went down to the references section to try hit edit I got something along the lines of "references /" {series} instead of the list of sources I was expecting. How do I add a new reference to the list so I can properly cite any info I find?--Nintendogeek01 16:00, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

FA DLC?
I just noticed that there is a section called "FA DLC" in the Mass Effect 3 article. A link under that section goes to an article in Spanish about a fan-made story. Just letting you guys know. --Lilwig09 05:20, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I saw that and see that someone has deleted it. I will probably leave a message on the persons talk. Ill need to translate it to Spanish probably cause commodor already sent him or her a messageTheExiledGear 05:41, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

EU Players get everything via Origin
Please someone add that Buying Mass Effect 3 from Origin in EU gives u all pre-order bonuses. Gotta love EA =) Here is a link:http://store.origin.com/store/eaemea/fi_FI/html/pbPage.mass-effect-3-FI --84.248.192.31 13:58, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Mass effect 3 officially lands
The first two copies of Mass Effect 3 have landed in Northern San Francisco [] Does this mean that we can add the story if by any chance one of the copies that land gets in the hands of a wikia editor?--WOLFLOCKBATTLEMASTER 15:22, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not really as there really isn't a point to list every little detail. We have the story and links and I think that is enough. Lancer1289 16:58, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

This does also beg the other obvious question... will the wiki consider info from these early copies "leaked" since the official release date is still a little under a week away?--Nintendogeek01 16:50, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not leaked, but given that no other editors could play the game and verify anything, anything stated would have to be backed up with references, such as YouTube video or the like. Once the game is officially released benefit of the doubt is given, for obvious reasons. JakePT 17:05, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

BENNING?
I was just wondering, should we add the planet Benning (location of Firbase Ghost on the multiplayer section of the game) to the list of visitable locations?


 * We don't know yet if we can visit Benning outside of the multiplayer. If it turns out we can, then it will be added to the list. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:02, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * But if it's in the game, shouldn't it be listed regardless of if it's in the single player or not? Maybe note it in the section on the multiplayer mode?  TheUnknown285 00:14, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I found a link to a video where its being shown in the single player: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wowb7u0TRvU


 * Firebase Ghost is already listed in the multiplayer article. It can't be listed in the Locations section in the ME3 article because that section is for plot areas in the single-player that Shepard and the team can visit. Once it's confirmed that Shepard and the team can go to Benning in the game (which I have reason to believe is a near-certainty), it will be added to the list. And if you look closely at the Squad Leader trailer, you can see that the fighting happens in Firebase Ghost. Since that's a fairly old trailer, it's possible that the developers transplanted single-player characters onto the multiplayer map to demonstrate gameplay in a contained, non-spoilerish area. It's not conclusive. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:29, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

GAME fiasco
As many of you know, GAME has lost it's stock of Mass Effect 3 due to their financial...challenges. Therefore they should be logically removed from the retail bonus items as they will no longer be carrying Mass Effect 3 Eurogamer Annoucement EA Press Release. --Go Bruins! 17:25, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * They were. I removed them quite a while ago when we first heard. Note that this is for Game in the UK only.JakePT 17:34, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I heard this is worldwide. the Eurogamer article specifically mentions "All GAME and Gamestation stores" --Go Bruins! 17:45, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Game and Gamestation stores in the UK. There's been no indication that situation exists outside the UK. While ME3 is missing from the Game UK website, it isn't anywhere else, and I've seen no reports of cancelled preorders outside the UK. Not to mention that EA's response only addresses the UK.JakePT 18:01, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. I was just trying to be helpful. It isn't totally clear, at least in my view, and I've at least heard reports of people in other countries besides the UK getting their orders wiped out because of this. I am lucky enough to live in the States but I am certainly sympathetic to our UK bretheren in this matter. --Go Bruins! 18:19, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have any links to some of these reports? Granted the main problem here seems to in the UK, but if it is happening elsewhere, it should be noted. Lancer1289 18:22, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * It was from this BioWare Social Network thread . Forget which page specifically, but I can easily look through the 45 or so pages. --Go Bruins! 18:30, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Amazon.co.uk Pre-order bonus change
I was just checking my ME3:CE and It turns out that the N7: Warfare Gear is now the pre-order bonus, while the M-55 is no longer available. Just pointing it out in case some have missed it. Bluegear93 21:49, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Metacritic bad ratings?
The user ratings on Metacritic.com say that ME 3 for PC is really bad, whereas on IMDb it has a 10/10 rating? Please, if you played the game, write without spoilers what do you think so far, because I don't think they would make a game that bad as people on Metacritic rated it. :( --94.253.201.207 19:43, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Article talk pages aren't the right place for this kind of discussion. Here's a forum post already started on the topic. You could also sign up for an account and write a blog post. Trandra 19:46, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Illium?
Illium was supposedly confirmed yet not in the game, unless I missed something --Jwgray1985 04:39, March 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe the source was in error. I read several other previews which confused Illium with the asari homeworld, Thessia. I'll keep checking, and if I can't find Illium in the game, I'll remove mention of it from the article. -- Commdor (Talk) 04:37, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Why every humanoid female have such large breasts?
Self-explanatory. I mean, Miranda always had it but Liara, Ashley even fucking Jack, that were piratically absent in ME 2. Fan-service much??

HitBoxMaster 05:29, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * First language. Second this isn't even on the same level as for what a talk page is for. Take it to the fourms or a blog post. Lancer1289 05:32, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Ikr, if you look closely you can even see Miranda's camletoe.

Installation Issues
So this obviously won't help most people, as I doubt they would read this before trying to install Mass Effect 3. Essentially, when you are installing Mass Effect 3 Collector's Edition (and possibly SE) the installer will be attempting to communicate with Origin and will fail if you are not already logged in; the user will receive an information message that the setup cannot continue and the only thing they can do is click on the 'x' to close the window and this will illicit a warning message.

Just confirm it and proceed to log into Origin if you haven't already. Once you're logged in, activate your product on Origin using the CD Key provided. Finally, browse to the disc (normally D:\ on Windows machines) and from the top level directory in the disc, there should be a 'Setup.exe', launch that. If you followed the steps above, the installer will appear and ask for the directory to install to (aka everything will continue normally, no downloading required).

The installation instructions say just to start by launching 'Autorun.exe' (they don't mention Origin). That is incorrect, and will result in the process I described above. Log into Origin before you even insert the disc to make your life easy. Remember that with the physical disc, you can run the setup once you're all logged in and registered. Don't waste time downloading it as well as installing it. Incrognito 14:46, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Yet another reason why Origin sucks and Steam don't

Sabotage/AI Hacking
Just want to clarify something. Sabotage is an ability from the first game. It isn't replacing anything. If anything AI Hacking has been merged with Sabotage. MERGED not REPLACING. Please use the proper term for clarification sake. Esparc 22:15, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Ending Discussion
Who else here thinks that the ending options for this game are complete garbage? I for one hate the ending of mass effect 3! Not only does it leave a cliff hanger (if you dont have a high enough military strength.) But I can't see my Tali anymore! :( Plus I would have liked to, oh I dont know, survive and play on like in ME2? That would have been nice, maybe more cuddling. This game's ending almost brought me to tears, and not because of how sad it was, but because of how stupid it was. My stomach and lungs have some kind of feeling I can't even describe. Maybe it's because I cant be with my Tali. :( Duck On Quack 22:46, March 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Reading parts of this article, especially the Fate of the Galaxy section (apparently written long ago before release, based on gaming press previews) creates a cognitive dissonance. "The player's choices in the previous games are expected to have a much more significant impact on the plot than the choices in Mass Effect had on Mass Effect 2." Well, OK, that part is still party true because frequent references to your decisions (if a save file is imported, obviously) are present throughout...but mostly as mentions in passing in NPC conversations. The really important decisions are simply ignored (new asari, turian, salarian councilors even if the Council was sacrificed and Udina led the "all-human" council referred to in the codex if Shepard is renegade, the Reaper-"constructed" Rachni Queen etc. etc.)


 * "This will result in a story that diverges into wildly different conclusions based on the player's actions in the first two chapters." Yeah, well, no comment.


 * "The player's choices throughout not only Mass Effect 3, but the entire trilogy, will affect the fate of these civilisations and the endings the player can receive." Again, no comment. Even with the ending"s", it would have been possible to at least mention what happens to humankind and the other species, to the alien members of Task Force Hammer stranded on Earth after the relays are destroyed etc. in text form (like in the Jade Empire epilogue). That would have at least slightly redeemed the ending. A damned shame, since, like lots of people have said already, the game is so absolutely brilliant, it is all the ME franchise embodies and represents - until the last 2-5 minutes.


 * Anyway, coming back to the article, several sections either need to be rewritten or it must be mentioned that several aspects as reported in the gaming press and described in the article are missing in the game. 46.183.97.68 14:12, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

It leaves many more questions then damn answers. How was it that Shepard was able to breathe, let alone talk to the child personification of the Reapers’ creator without a helmet or any equipment allowing him to?

How did my squad, right there with me in the thicket of battle on Earth somehow end up on the Normandy, which then managed to escape the explosion of a Mass Relay and safely crash land on an unknown planet? For that matter, how did my squad end up on the Normandy in the first place? Joker is a good pilot, no doubt, but we’re expected to believe he just maneuvered his way through massive Reaper forces, extract a few, and then mosey his way on out?

We learn in Mass Effect 2’s “Arrival” DLC that the destruction of a Relay would effectively destroy whichever system it was located in. Is that not true for the Sol system, which would in turn destroy Earth and make all of your work for naught?

How is it that Anderson managed to make his way to the Citadel/Catalyst’s control room even though there is seemingly only one way in or out of it – the path that Shepard walked?

I have seen videos of EDI being in the final squad choice, followed by the player choosing the “Destroy” option which of course meant the end of all synthetic life. Yet, EDI still walks out of the Normandy with Joker and your other squad member at the end of the game.


 * The Mass Relays

No matter which of ME3′s endings you choose, the Mass Relays are all destroyed. Yes, despite the weakness of an ending that robs the galaxy of critical technology, the multicolored explosions (player choice!) are certainly pretty. But in The Arrival, it was firmly established that the destruction of a Mass Relay would result in an explosion resembling a supernova, destroying the relay’s star system. In Mass Effect 3′s ending, the Mass Relays are destroyed in explosions so massive that they’re depicted as being visible from a perspective that resembles the Normandy’s Galaxy Map. Which means that Shepard has probably killed more life forms than the Reapers could on their best cycle.


 * Inferred Holocaust

But even if we assume that this time, the Mass Relay Network’s destruction was a completely different kind of explosion that didn’t wipe out hundreds of star systems, (that players are forced to fill in blanks like this is another point of contention, incidentally), even a relatively benign end to the Galaxy’s most critical technology suggests a terrible outcome: Everyone in the galaxy is stranded where they happened to be at that moment, including thousands of ships and millions of alien races now orbiting a ruined Earth.

It’s safe to assume that the fleets who travelled to Earth for the final Reaper battle were stocked with supplies, but with the Mass Relay network knocked out, they’re all basically stuck there. That ending’s not just bleak — it implies outright extinction. While the galactic races have access to faster-than-light travel, the relay network is what made moving about the galaxy possible. Even conventional faster-than-light travel means decades before any of those ships makes it home, or even to another star system. It’s more than safe to assume no one, not the Quarians, not the Turians, not the krogan, Asari or Salarians, no one is going see home again.

Unfortunately, the burned husk of Earth certainly can’t support the combined military forces of the galaxy. And remember folks, Turians and Quarians can’t eat human food anyway. The assumption then has to be that everyone scrambles to find a colony to support them, and/or they all die. In all likelihood — faced with starvation, the krogan slowly eat everybody.


 * The Normandy’s Escape

This is probably the biggest WTF of all. As the Mass Relays explode, we see a short clip of Joker furiously scrambling in the Normandy Cockpit, followed by the Normandy barely staying ahead of the chain of explosions. Eventually, the Normandy crash-lands on a convenient, Earth-like jungle planet. Joker survives, and as he staggers out of the ship to see the new, presumably permanent home, he’s joined by members of Shepard’s crew. In almost every ending, these crew members include Shepard’s love interest and at least one person who joined Shep in his/her final push.

There’s just one little problem. At the beginning of the final mission, every single squad member travels down to earth with you. Whichever two you chose to accompany you to the Conduit are with you during the final push when you’re blasted by Harbinger. That blast nearly kills you and Anderson. It can only be assumed – again, the player is forced to fill in blanks – that your squad was also hit in the blast. Meanwhile, Joker remained in orbit around earth to take part in the final battle. So how did he A) manage to rescue your squad and B) get the ship to the Charon relay in time to outrun the explosion? The ending cutscene makes it clear that the explosions begin almost concurrently with whichever end to the Reaper threat you chose. So, did Joker chicken out and abandon his post along with your crew? Did the game suddenly introduce Transporter technology? Was it some kind of magical nonsense?

Who knows? BioWare certainly didn’t explain it. Which means that for the rest of time, players must end every Mass Effect 3 game knowing that Joker is probably looking at a Court Martial for cowardice.

This is not even remotely close to the point of a talk page. Take things like this to the forums or a blog post. Lancer1289 19:31, March 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Not sure whom you're addressing here, but in my post above, despite a little rant which I'll admit I've made, I actually spoke about the article (I know how talk pages on Wiki projects work and what they are good for as I've been, and still am, quite active on Wikipedia for several years).


 * I specifically referred to the Fate of the Galaxy section, which is problematic, as it mentions things that are not existent in the final, released product, or are present in a way different to that which was advertised. This difference between official statements ("promises", if you want to use the word) from BioWare and actual game content definitely NEEDS to be mentioned in the article.


 * I don't know whether a Criticism section is really warranted here, but I believe that there should be at least one or two sentences dealing with the controversy about the endings in fan circles, as said controversy is quite prominent (COUNTLESS forum discussions, Metacritic user scores as more important/reliable source etc.).


 * While agreeing with you that this is not a blog or forum for personal use, the user who made the post above did raise several valid points pointing out inconsistencies in the endings with the established canon of the setting. These inconsistencies exist in the game, are relevant to the article and they should be mentioned as well. 46.183.97.68 23:28, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

This. ^ The ending controversy more than merits treatment in the main article, especially considering the extent of the backlash. It's in Forbes magazine, for cripes' sake. 132.198.15.47 15:36, March 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's only in there because the MINORITY is stupidly vocal.

You'd probably be better off discussing this on the Bioware Social forums or something, but there's literally hundreds of people who are saying the same thing so you know, don't be surprised if/when you see it Kastrenzo 14:37, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Either take this to a forum or I will. This is not the point of a talk page. This is a final warning. Lancer1289 16:13, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Take it to a forum then. (Not saying it like "Do it, punk." Saying it like "Please do it.")

Given the degree of the fan response to the ending, and that it was actually worthy of mention on the wikipedia page of the game, why wouldn't it be worth at least mentioning the controversy here? It's gotten coverage in magazines, all over the web, and has impacted the reception to the game to a very substantial degree. Why wouldn't it be mentioned here?
 * And that is completely 100% irrelevant. It isn't appropriate here so stop commenting. Lancer1289 18:47, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Platform Status
I demand this Mass Effect 3 is the sequel to Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 developed by BioWare for the PC, PlayStation 3, and Xbox 360.

being changed to that

Mass Effect 3 is the sequel to Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 developed by BioWare for the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and also ported to PC afterwards

ME3 is such a pathetic cuntsole port with 3 actions assigned to 1 button, awful texture quality and 5 years outdated graphics and whole other stuff.

And stop using endings as the only excuse, the whole game is terrible. It's the world we're living in. Why make good game if we already have a huge name and cuntsole kids will buy it any way.

Mass Effect 1 mechanics were too complicated for cuntsole users, that's why ME2 was more popular and sold better.

Current gen cuntsoles. Ruining games' quality since 2009.
 * This is not even remotely close to the point of a talk page. Take things like this to the forums or a blog post. Lancer1289 19:50, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Noveria
Noveria is listed under locations, but it only appears in a minor side mission that doesn't impact the main story. The Citadel, Horizon, Tuchanka and Eden Prime all appear in priority missions, but is Noveria really worth mentioning? Or is it only included because it is returning from a past game? SilentCircuit 14:45, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably becuase of the latter reason. Don't forget that it also returns for a multiplayer map. Lancer1289 14:50, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Question
I am almost done with the game, but I have a question: When I choose one of the endings, will the game allow free-roam (traveling the galaxy after beating the game), or will I be left at the last mission? Or something else?-- 22:58, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

No, you will be sent back to right before the Cerberus Base Mission.--Legionwrex 23:02, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * And when you see the endings, you will know why you can't have a freeplay.--Psysteel 14:23, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Endings
SPOILERS

Something to check out is this:

http://gametipcenter.com/mass-effect-3-endings-list

Haven't tested it myself but might be good for an addition to the wiki.
 * Things from that article are noted in several different places as that kind of information isn't appropriate on this page. This page is more about the game itself, rather than the full plot line or walkthrough information. Lancer1289 00:43, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Multiplayer unnecessary?
The main page still claims that the same results can be achieved using only the single-player, but this doesn't seem to be the case. The best ending requires at least 4,000 effective war assets, 5,000 if you can't charm or intimidate the Illusive man, and I've yet to see any users report being able to get 8,000 war assets in the game.

I know that Bioware's official position is that the multiplayer isn't required, but it doesn't seem to actually be possible to reach 4,000 with a galactic readiness rating of 50%. Can anyone actually verify that it is possible?


 * Galactic readiness is undependable from war assets quantity. You can easily get over 6000 war assets, with only 50% readiness. Important is only the the line below when it is fulfilled and green, you're fine.--Psysteel 14:20, April 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * You need to have an effective military strength of 4,000 to access the best endings, and that requires a sufficient paragon/renegade score to deal with the Illusive man. Since the galactic readiness rating is 50% as a default without multiplayer, this means you need 8,000 war assets to access the best endings. By all accounts so far, this isn't possible, even if you have an import that maximizes the war assets you can obtain. Bioware's official position is that it's possible to get the best endings, but it doesn't seem to actually be the case. Zero132132 17:38, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Controversy Section
This game has spawned a lot of controversy, especially regarding the ending. Does this merit a section on the page?

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 19:28, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * We've never done one before, and I really don't see a reason to start now considering how opinionated it will be. Not to mention I'm sure in the long run it will end up being a lot more trouble than it is worth. More than likely to the point where we have to lock the article to where only admins can edit it. Lancer1289 19:36, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * That was actually been done before, on the Romance article. I agree with the rest. --silverstrike 19:40, April 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * (Edit Conflict): Problematic. It can open the article to many subjective opinions and ideas that have no place on the wiki. If such addition is approved, a careful guideline must be explicitly defined to negate the problem (as much as possible). --silverstrike 19:37, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think Lancer and silverstrike have some good points, but we shouldn't avoid adding information in fear of the repercussions. I would propose that this be shelved and dealt with at a later time, when the controversy dies down, and we can edit clearly and from an unbiased viewpoint.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 07:35, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * However, even then, I doubt we could ever do that. It would open it to way to many personal opinions. Wikipedia can't even do it right. Lancer1289 18:46, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

That's for true. --The Milkman | I always deliver. 06:16, April 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * I disagree that we should omit relevant, appropriate, well-sourced information simply out of fear of some initial imperfection. There is no timetable on completion for this wiki. Creating a well-sourced, NPOV controversy section would be well-suited and may ultimately be necessary due to the extended-cut DLC (though it would be quite amusing to have everyone put blinders on and pretend the DLC came out of thin air). Gamemako 02:59, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

I've started a sandbox page, and started an outline on the controversy. I've made attempts the provide information in an unbiased, fair manner. Any feedback on it is appreciated. User:AhYesTurians/sandbox/Mass_Effect_3 AhYesTurians 06:59, April 22, 2012 (UTC) EDIT: Typed that in a hurry. Went back and editted some typos.

Fourth Ending!

I just found the new, fourth ending. Just shoot the Catalyst-Hologram and you'll see. Someone's gonna post it on YT eventually.

Yes we are aware. It's the Refusal ending, you get it by shooting the Catalyst or refusing to choose any option. It's already on YouTube and the wiki.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 22:26, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title
Mass Effect 3 Story Continuation?

what if Bioware fixed the ending that leads to many diffrent outcome based on Player's actions? if Shepard united the Galaxy and survive the War against Reapers, you know, Shepard doesn't have to destroy Reapers, only way he could convince them that what happened in events of an attack on the galaxy, they learned that all Races, Machines or not, united against Reapers who would wipe out the smart, advanced races. soon as they realize that Shepard was only one who actually put end to this problem that was created by their machines long long ago. they would actually stop this war and end it, would finally find a way through peacekeeping, finding other solutions to work together with other races with the help from Commander Shepard. then that means if this happened, it would continue into Mass Effect 4 from the events of ME3. i mean, you return to Earth, most of cities are being repaired, rebuilt with help of Geth, Reapers, Quarians, Krogans, Turians all working together to help rebuild the buildings and lives that was destroyed in reaper attack. and the Earth and its Alliance is officially a part of Citdital Council, Commander Shepard gets promoted to Captain, he will select new officers to man Normandy, he selects his friends, his love on Normandy and Normandy leaves to go on a new mission for many things, like... goodwill mission. everywhere you go to, the cities on worlds are still being repaired. as you just thought it was over for good, but it never ends, Normandy gets a distress signal from nearby system an signal came from a Turian ship. it's being attacked by unknown enemy, Normandy are ordered by Captain Shepard to evac the Turians from the ship while under heavy fire. i believe it is very new threat that's very dangerous and deadlier than past events that happened in ME1 and ME3. while they rescue the Turians, Normandy gets hit hard by unknown energy blast, it causes Normandy to shut down, adrift in space. but attacks stopped as Normandy was hit, it is strangely quiet here of sudden. when all Turians were aboard, Normandy comes back up online, powered up. the gunfire resumes, Shepard orders the ship to jump, Normandy swerve the gunfire, avoiding it as it starts to ftl up, Normandy jumps, 30 mins later, Normandy arrives at Earth's new Starport, "Liberty" many people on the station are shocked as they see blast marks on Normandy. Alliance Command Officers is very stunned by what they just saw. and out come is crew of Turians along with injured Normandy officers as Captain Shepard walks out with his crew, friends, Commander Shepard goes right to the AC Officers, and said, "i need to speak with Alliance Command." well.. so.. that's my good story/theory. what do you think? XxBlaze1055xX (talk) 05:58, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * This is not even close to the point of talk pages. This belongs either in the forums or a blog post. Lancer1289 (talk) 17:27, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Mass Effect 3 Special Edition
Should the image for the Mass Effect 3 Special Edition be added to the article to show the distinction or not? Figured it wouldn't hurt to have an accompanying image with the content.--AdmiralPedro1stFleet (talk) 21:38, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Firefight & Groundside Resistance
Are these DLC's above included in the wii U version? I think I saw the Cerberus Harrier on a Wii U SP youtube play through. If this is true will you add this info to the downloadable content and this page. thanks

Link to Guide/Walkthrough?
Don't you think there should be a link to the Guide / Walkthrough on this page? When someone searches for Mass Effect 3 Wiki... they generally end up here, makes sense to me to have a frickin' link to what they are actually looking for...?

68.195.61.182 16:25, March 31, 2013 (UTC)Anon