Talk:Tali'Zorah nar Rayya

Femshep post-loyalty dialogue
What dialogue does Tali have with Femshep after her loyalty mission? I was only able to talk to her once, and the dialogue was the same as for Male Shep, with a difference in Tali's last response. After that, she didn't talk to me anymore, saying that she needs to clean the engine. She did talk to my Male Shep, but this results in romance, and for Femshep, is there any more dialogue at all? Kiadony 14:08, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think so, but it's like that with basically all squadmates the same gender as Shepard after their loyaly missions. They don't like to talk much unless you can romance 'em... =/ PikaShepard 14:17, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Post-endgame Romance Dialog
So this article claims that, if you have a Romance with Tali and she survives the final mission, she comments on how she is feeling afterwards. When/where/how does this happen? When I played the game she simply kept repeating the dialog that gives you the chance to break things off with her, the same as she did before the final mission.216.243.212.33 23:08, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Right after the mission, she says it. She starts it after you choose to talk to her. MEffect Fan 23:11, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia: unnatural stance
This is clearly evident and worth noting. The way tali tip-toes in the squad selection screen is not in her range of movements anywhere else in the 1st or 2nd game--Taq 11:54, August 27, 2010 (UTC).


 * Do you mean (by 'unnatural') that quarians can't tip-toe? I've noticed the weird stance too, but maybe they can stand like that, physically, and in-game models just don't have enough 'joints'. By the way, does anyone has link to a screenshot of the first game's squad selection screen? Kiadony 13:11, August 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I mean that quarians walk like Human and Asari, so seeing her tip-toe is just as weird as seeing any Human/Asari henchmen posed in such a way. I think she is displayed this way because it makes her look sexy, not because it makes sense. Although, maybe at some point quarians were supposed to share this stance with the Turians.Taq 14:50, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok after sorting out many issues this morning, this is not trivia. Noting something like this isn't the point of a trivia section and frankly it isn't that interesting. So I'll be removing it. Lancer1289 14:57, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * It is interesting, just like the early Batarian codex picture that was replaced, it depicted an anatomical difference from that actually used. It is absolutely possible that quarians, that already have a lot in common with the Turians, were supposed to walk like them as well. it also explains why they're shin bones are so bowed. My addition was fairly laconic and stated observation in a none "fan-offensive" way. please reinstate, or provide better rational than: "not to my liking=gone"--Taq 15:52, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting how I might ask. You don't know if it was a model thing, or the way that it was intended. There is no reason for it to be listed as it doesn't fit with how the trivia sections are, and it is not just because I don't like it. Have it noticed it yes, it is trivia no, becuase it is more trivial than trivia. We don't have a note about how Grunt's armor is different than any other krogan, remember race name caps by the way, and we don't need one. Trivial things aren't trivia. There is a lot of "trivia" that would be added if that was the case, and this again isn't trivia, just trivial, which isn't trivia worthy. Lancer1289 16:19, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is your personal privet view of Trivia VS Trivial, you have just demonstrated this by dismissing some of the graphic features that makes Grunt unique as trivial: The only krogan to be created in a process involving consumable collectors tech happens to have a unique head crest and armor, in which he was probably grown. The admins here let much more personal and trivial things fly, especially when it comes to some fan's opinion that everybody should now that the quarian exile reminds them of BSG, or that biotic power is similar to SW "the force". You can even see an example in this page, in the trivia entry where someone mentions how tali "like legion" was to be recruited earlier - every henchman that's not one of the initial 6, would have something to say if you edit them into a save, but the person who added this entry is "only" a tali/legion fan. You want to cut content, start with trivia that references unrelated fiction, not things that just do not meet your criteria for "interesting".
 * Really the admins let things slide, well I am an admin here, and the other active one is usually much more strict about trivia than myself. As to your notes about the trivia. The BSG was brought up on the talk page because there were way to man similarities to dismiss, to which both active admins agreed on. As to the biotics thing, I removed that becuase they funciton differently, and there are much more differences than similarities. As to the cut content, multiple pieces of cut content are mentioned, there is even a whole article for that, Mass Effect 2 Cut Content, and multiple pieces of cut content are preserve in articles. As to the mention of the recruitable thing, that is valid trivia becuase there is supproting dialogue for both characters and that wouldn't only apply to a Tali/Legion fan. Again this is trivial, not trivia, and therefor shouldn't be mentioned. Oh and to the Collector tech, you don't know that the armor and Grun't head crest was because of that. The armor maybe, but we don't know that for certain, and there is already a trivia note about his head crest about how the Devs wanted him to look younger, "like a baby". See his page for more on that. His armor doesn't deserve a mention becuase it is trivial that it is different, and as such not trivia. Also if you would word Collector tech into it, then its speuclation because we don't know that. Lancer1289 17:10, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

It's pure fluff and nonsense. Truly trivial and not trivia. You call it an anatomical difference. So, if I stand on tip-toes (as you acknowledge that she is basically just standing on tip-toes), will I be anatomically different than I was before standing on tip-toes? No. That notion is absurd. Your "it's like when the batarian codex image was changed" analogy is... well, I'm not sure what to call it. I suppose ridiculous will have to suffice. In one case, the Codex image for a race never seen in the original game (besides the Codex pic, and before BDTS), had its image updated. It looked much different. In the other, one member of one race stands in a slightly odd pose for brief periods. Nothing about the quarian appearance is changed. Nothing, nada, zilch. See how the analogies don't line up? As for trivia referencing 'unrelated fiction', what trivia would that be? I see trivia regarding other BioWare games, where the relation between the two is clearly demonstrated. But I see no trivia referencing 'unrelated fiction'. This doesn't seem to be you stumping for something that is actually warranted, but rather pushing for one little piece of fluff that doesn't work just because you find it interesting, and site policies be damned. Argue all you want, just don't try and get legit trivia thrown out as some form of petty 'payback'. SpartHawg948 20:05, August 27, 2010 (UTC) So you start your message with "fluff and nonsense" and i'm looking for petty payback... Nice. Also didn't know that BSG was a Biogame creation, or is it non-fiction? I did mention that in my post, but you of course were quick to ignore that one. I could piss around this wikia and "gather notes", like that molly millions thing, but that would be pointless. since it's now clear that you are just treating this wiki as your own personal fan-site, dismissing criticism as petty behavior.--Taq 23:15, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * BSG is mentioned in Tali's trivia section? Where? After all, this talk page concerns Tali'Zorah nar Rayya/vas Normandy. Not anything else. If there are issues with other trivia sections, take it up on the proper talk pages. And yes, it did seem like petty payback. Unlike, say, my offering my opinion on a new subject. It's hard for me to be looking for petty payback in my initial comment, isn't it? My point was that it seemed that you were, in essence, saying "Well, if my trivia can't stay, I don't want this trivia to stay either!" See what I mean? It was nothing personal, though you seem to be taking it as such. And no, trust me, I am not treating this as my own personal fan site. Were that the case, it would look vastly different, and most people (yourself included) wouldn't be able to edit. After all, I'd be treating it as my own personal site, remember? SpartHawg948 23:44, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * And now you have both active admins telling you the same thing. Trivial and not Trivia indeed. So what was that about "[t]he admins here let much more personal and trivial things fly..." again? Lancer1289 20:27, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, your daddy is stronger and taller than mine, you must be very proud... I won't intrude upon your wikia again, apologies.--Taq 23:15, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Such maturity you display. When all else fails, throw a tantrum, eh? SpartHawg948 23:46, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I guess what is meant by Taq is Digitigrade as opposed to Plantigrade. In other words, if it's going to the trivia section:
 * The squad selection screen shows Tali as Digitigrade, while in-game Tali is actually Plantigrade

As to whether that is significant enough to add into the trivia section, I'll leave that to the admins.

Pepoluan 02:27, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Article Name Change
Should the article be renamed to Tali'Zorah vas Normandy (redirected from Tali'Zorah nar Rayya, instead of vice versa)? Canonically, her name has officially changed, no matter what course of events occur in the game, though it could be considered something of a spolier to those who haven't played 2. Then again, posting it here as a discussion could be viewed likewise, along with anything else discussed here :P Kakurenbo1 21:10, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Um what about that being an absolute massive spoiler for both Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. All of these articles are written from the point of when they were introduced, in this case Mass Effect, where her name is nar Rayya, not vas Neema, or vas Normandy. This discussion has already happened and an article name change is out of the question. See the style guide on perspective which can also apply to article names. Considering this would be a massive spoiler for anyone who hasn't played ME and parts of ME2, and we have to put any spoiler information under a spoiler tag, no. I think we already have redirects for vas Neema, and vas Normandy, but a name change goes against the spoiler policy. A move is out of the question for many reasons. Lancer1289 21:15, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Main quote (that is on the very top of her page)
I guess I have a memory loss, but when does she say that? --Kiadony 08:54, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * IIRC it is either when you talk to her in Udina's office, or during one of the conversations aboard the Normandy. Lancer1289 12:49, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

It's in Udina's Office, after you rescue her. Tali&#39;s no.1 fan 21:03, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Tali's Age
Shepard being a pedo I don't know about anyone else. But it lists the year that Tali is born as 2161. I belive that ME2 takes place during 2175. This would mean that when you romance her that chronologically she's only 14.
 * Well you are completely incorrect. Tali was born in 2161, but Mass Effect 2 takes place in 2185, not 2175, which would make Tali twenty-four, not fourteen. Lancer1289 06:05, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks My bad
 * No problem. Lancer1289 06:17, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Is there a source for Tali's age? Bluegear93 20:52, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't remember off hand, but it's either the website or the Galactic Codex. I can't remember which. I know that it is sourced, I just can't remember from where. Lancer1289 20:58, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I only asked as I didn't see a source for it, you know anyone can put anything and say it's true. Bluegear93 21:08, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh if ever there was a true statement, it's that. Again though, I do know that it is sourced and accurate, I just can't remember where from however. I remembered in December, but I can't recall now. Lancer1289 21:15, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * As long it has a source it's all good. Bluegear93 21:26, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

I know this is old as hell, but I think it's pretty ridiculous to think that she was 14 at the time. I didn't know her birth year until ME3 came out, but I knew she was supposed to be in her early 20s. Kastrenzo 13:57, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Tali in combat
anyone else feel that in me2 Tali is nearly useless in combat?

i love Tali, but it really feels like outside of the drone shes just got nothing in combat.

ive never seen her hack an enemy synth, ever, and the shield drain power i cant even tell if shes using it, outside of she doesnt go down very often.

they should have gave her at least 1 offensive power, or an ammo power.
 * This isn't the point of a talk page. Please put things like this in a blog or the Forums. Lancer1289 20:15, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

ME3 playable character confirmed?
I'll be straight to the point. The ME3 area seems patchy, it mentions that she will return, but does not confirm that she is a squadmate, like it shows beneath the ME3 part of her page. Was any new info given confirming she will be a squadmate, is this just someone reading the points, or am I just reading it wrong? 86.163.176.200 16:16, May 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sources have been added by other users to confirm this, such as the June 2011 issue of PC Gamer magazine; though I'd tell you that I'm a bit wary on the topic until the issue is released or at least sourced here for viewing. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 16:19, May 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Here's a site with scans of the magazine (slow to load, though): http://biowarefans.com/2011/05/pc-gamer-mass-effect-3-article-scans/ I'm about to look through to verify the latest Tali info is true. Update: The scans confirm Tali as a full-time squadmate like Ashley, Garrus, and the others. See page 46. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:32, May 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, though it's at the very bottom of the article's last page. P.S. I dislike edit conflicts like just now. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 16:41, May 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I only thought that this information could have been wrong, and then we'd have a horde of people arguing that it's the truth and a load of discussions and broken hearts when the game is relased. Good to see it is true though, no angry fans in the Tali area.86.163.176.200 16:49, May 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * No need to apologize. You saw something that had you curious, and instead of just removing the information, you asked where it came from. Usually people do the former so it's nice to see someone do the latter for once. And yes Tali fans seem to be the most...um...active at expressing their opinions about her.
 * And H-Man, yes we all hate edit conflicts. Lancer1289 16:51, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

Loyalty conflict
I've just noticed that Legion, Miranda and Jack all have info about their loyalty conflicts on their pages, but this page lacks it. Should it be added? --kiadony 08:17, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see why it shouldn't. It's only consistent to include it. — Teugene (Talk) 08:24, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Another question - what are the dialogue options like if you side with Legion and then restore Tali's loyalty through Charm/Intimidate? How high are Paragon/Renegade requirements? I've never done that since I always have enough Paragon to resolve the conflict. I know you tell Miranda that she should understand that Jack is a special case, you tell Jack that it was "lip service" to Cerberus, and Legion that you lied to keep Tali happy (at least from what I've read on this very Wiki). But somehow no such info about Tali. --kiadony 09:19, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Can't help in that as I didn't take that option myself. However, I'm searching Youtube recordings for the conflict to see if there's any info on it. — Teugene (Talk) 09:33, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, we're in luck. There's a video here on conflict resolutions. Skip to 9:40 of the video to see the outcome if Shepard sides Legion and tries to make amends with Tali later. — Teugene (Talk) 09:49, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah that kind of information belongs in either Tali: Treason or Legion: A House Divided not here. That is walkthrough information and doesn’t have a place in an article like this. I have since reworded the information to remove as much as I can, but we don't allow walkthrough information in articles so words like "paragon/renegade" don't have a place in articles like this. Lancer1289 15:40, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Wow... When you use a paragon option to restore Tali's loyalty, she looks like she'd rip Shepard's throat with her teeth if she didn't have a mask. Anyway, yeah, I did feel that that info belonged on the loyalty mission pages, and Tali: Treason also lacks any conflict info. Oh and also, the renegade option is "He's not a pet". How nice, Legion as "he" again... --kiadony 16:03, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah they are somewhat inconsistent with the it vs he thing. Lancer1289 16:21, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe Shepard is as confused about it vs he as we are^^--Icemoomoo 07:46, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Please take comments like this to the proper location, which isn't here but rather a blog or forum post. Lancer1289 13:34, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

E3: Where's Tali?
Seriously... Mass Effect 3 talks are probably done by now, are they really such big asshole that they're not showing her?!


 * Again, watch the language. She's 100% confirmed in-game. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 20:25, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed the language was completley unnecessary, and topics like this are mroe appropriate in the forums or in a blog post, not here. Lancer1289 20:27, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Or what, what are you bunch of dickheads gonna do about it?

Considering your the dickhead, ban you. I'm capable of following the rules, yet swear repeadetly in real life. We said watch the language nicely, now, they'll enforce it with a ban.--BriNg iN DeR FLAmeS?! 20:59, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Langauge now on two counts, and one count for two people. Lancer1289 21:06, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Lets get back on topic people! 209.66.200.45 21:20, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Conflicting Info.
I've just caught sight of something from the June OXM magazine, and this part caught my eye: "Garrus is a fan favorite... ...and he was the only returning squadmate for the second game." Interesting. This further brings me to my point that it seems that all the more recent magazines have no mention at all about her being a squadmate, or anything about her existence (even not showing her in the list of returning squadmates on the most recent magazine), and we've already been told that some of the info we have been given is incorrect. Combine these and in my head it seems possible that something's not right here... I've only seen one magazine stating she will be a squadmate, and nothing more recent even says a word to confirm ot deny it. I fear we may have been fed incorrect information.86.185.189.247 22:01, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually Tali is confirmed as a squadmate by PlayStation magazine, which is one of the more reliable sources out there. There is some incorrect information out there, but currenly Tali, Garrus, Ashley/Kaidan, Liara, and James Vega are confirmed as squadmates via reliable magazines, dev interviews, or even from the devs themselves. I don't know who wrote that article, but they need to pay more attention to things. Again those 5 are confirmed, as you can only have Ashley or Kaidan. Lancer1289 22:07, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... Perhaps the more recent magazines have been stockpiling information and not editing where they should have, leaving us without some info. Either way, fingers crossed you're right Lancer, it'd be a really strange if she weren't there. Think of it this way, the Normandy's going to be imperative to the survival of galactic life, so it would make complete sense to bring an engineer who has worked with the ship before (granted, new upgrades and whatnot) instead of a engineer who's "green" to the Normandy. I doubt Ken and Gabby could do it alone too.86.185.189.247 22:16, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * You don't need to cross your fingers as again she is confirmed as in the game and as a squadmate, but Adams could come back to help out. Tali’s right, I did miss him in ME2. Lancer1289 22:20, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought that Adams was killed when the SR-1 got blown up, I recall Joker saying something about him, or some engineers (which they probably included him in).86.185.189.247 22:24, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, there was no mention (that I'm aware of) of Engineer Adams being dead, and I'm 99% sure his dog tag wasn't at the Normandy crash site. SpartHawg948 22:30, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * It wasn't, so you can rest easy there Spart. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 22:49, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Huzzah! And I will rest easier now! I always liked Engineer Adams. :) SpartHawg948 22:56, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also Joker was talking about Navigator Pressly, not Adams. Tali mentions she misses him but that's about all we get on him for ME2. Lancer1289 23:24, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

So, do which info do we trust?209.66.200.45 15:20, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * The info that is in the article because of it's reliability. It's from a source that can be trusted, so there's no reason to remove it. Lancer1289 15:43, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Chiktikka vas Paus trivia
Quick question gang: Is there any kind of source for the reference trivia? If not, we need to add one of those angst-causing "likely"s into the article. And then drama will probably ensue. So yeah, if there's a source (dev-confirming, if possible) for the trivia, I'd greatly appreciate if someone could point me to it. Thanks! SpartHawg948 09:21, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand what you mean, but Chiktikka vas Paus/Fastpaws is a rather unique name, so it isn't likely to be a coincidence. The thing that really bugs me about that trivia item is a comparison of Tali and Aerie. I think it's pointless and irrelevant, unless, of course, a dev confirms that Tali was based off Aerie or something. Besides, Tali wasn't a love interest in the first game, and having a support role in combat thing is questionable. --kiadony 11:08, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Um, anyone? --kiadony 09:15, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes? I was hoping for a yes or no answer. Were I to accept the one above, it'd be a no. SpartHawg948 09:18, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess we should remove the whole Chiktikka/Aerie bit since it has no source, but I also think that people would keep pointing this out, if not trying to put it back. On the other hand, it's quite quiet around here, so maybe no one will notice >.> --kiadony 09:42, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not suggesting we remove it, just add in a "likely" or some such. SpartHawg948 10:02, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Aw man, I misread the original post >.< I assumed that since everything without a source is removed, you're suggesting the same here. Well then, we should probably change it to "might be a reference", though the comparison bit will sure keep bugging me. But I guess we need more opinions on that. --kiadony 10:10, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion references, confirmed by the devs or not, are ALWAYS trivial and useless. (Unlike evidences, sources are questionable as even the devs can try to justify afterwards something they didn't mean initially) Let's see how this one goes ad absurdum : Get back to pre-history and have a look at Baldur's gate 2 : Aerie was a winged creature but lost her wings pre-game. Aerie is obviously named after the butterfly Aeria. It makes sense : If Tali is a reference to Aerie, she is a reference to a reference to a flying insect. (And the insect's name is probably a reference to something else but nevermind). To simplify Tali is a reference to a flying creature with no wings. No source but a solid evidence here : she has no wing (like Aerie) but she still has chicken legs. quod erat demonstrandum. It is easy to build a very artificial argument, so the reference should always be just "possible", and better : "Absent". I am very old, but I had to do some reserach after Baldur's gate because I played the game many years ago and didn't remember the name of this temporary follower, and it is very unlikely new gamers will ever play it, as it doesn't run on consiles or on newer computers. So in my opinion mentionning the "possible" reference to an obscure background character in a prehistoric game is pointless.Croquignol 12:56, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Tali originally meant as F/F romance in Mass Effect 2?
I've been poking around one of my most recents saves on the PC, a female Shepard (Colonist, War Hero, Infiltrator, Paragon), and I was originally going for Garrus as a love interest but I don't know why... I decided to take another route with Tali as a romance just for the LULz and, possibly, kill the save in question.

I did it this way: using Gibbed Save Editor to turn Shepard into a male at those romance-related moments involving her: talk with Kelly when she first comes aboard the Normandy, the announcement on Level 28 of the Citadel that mentions any love interest with you, showing interest in her one mission after her loyalty is adquired, and finally locking her into a romance). If I didn't do any of these I didn't got the lines out of them and even get a different dialogue from Tali.

I've been keep doing everything else as Female Shepard though. Once I even wanted to talk to her right after I showed interest on her, and both female and male got the same line she tells you at that moment, or at least I think it went like this:


 * "I've some... job to do. But I haven't forgot what we talked about. Later, maybe?"

I even got the same dialogue from her one mission later while Shepard was still female to see if it worked that way, it didn't, so I turned her into male again. Once the romance was locked in, I stopped turning Shepard into male. I went to talk to Kasumi after that and, to my surprise she said something like:


 * "Tali is so cute. You're all she talks about, in that rainbows and butterflies kind of way. She loves you Shepard... be good to her."

That was the line she's supposed to say, I didn't know if I should be surprised but... well, I went to talk to Tali after that and, as expected (or not), she talked to me like she's meant to: as if I successfully romanced her. When it was my turn to say something well... my Shepard didn't say anything, and didn't even move her lips (but the subtitles were on, so I could see it actually registered my action), I guess that wasn't planned to be programmed in-game. Not surprising, Tali then gave her speech of sharing herself with me before the Suicide Mission, and to my surprise (I guess), Shepard DID smile when she turned her back on me (I mean... kinda, is hard to say, I don't even know if it even was a smile)...

Well I kept going on missions (doing everything important before going for the Reaper IFF), and after Mordin, Samara and Zaeed loyalty missions, I went to talk to Mordin, as expected, he talked about how different species react different to stress. Right after that he mentioned my relationship with Tali, but man after I picked a choice I was SHOCKED. I picked "I care about Tali" and Shepard TALKED, not just subtitles, I mean full voice, moving lips, dialogue and subtitles... so... WOW, she even said that part about Mordin jerking me around.

I decided to keep that save as an extra just in case, but I haven't move forward yet, there's still Lair of the Shadow Broker, the scene before hitting the relay and the aftermath of the Suicide mission for me to complete and see, the parts when a romance is again mentioned, and if this happens again...

My point is, we all knew that at some point of development in Mass Effect 1 a male Shepard could romance Kaidan and Ashley if a female Shepard, and we all know it got dropped before the game was finished. Apparently they did try that again in Mass Effect 2 and, again, it got dropped during development. And now they said that feature would go for sure in Mass Effect 3 (or not, they could drop it again). But it is kinda weird right? That it gets dropped in the middle twice. Well, my next mission, even before all this happened, was Lair of the Shadow Broker anyway, so I will see if there's more of this F/F romance thing going.

Feel free to give your opinions and everything about this, and, if you want it, I could try and record that moment with Mordin for you to see it, and again if it does happen on Lair of the Shadow Broker (though I highly doubt it, being a DLC released 8 months after the game and everything), I'll try it again. --StrikerXE 02:14, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is somewhat interesting, but in order for something like this to go into the article, it must come with devconfirmation. As to asking for opinions, that is something that beyond a doubt goes into the forums or a blog post as asking for opinions on something like this is not what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 02:18, July 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, the fact that romance dialogue lines were recorded for both male and female Shepard for some characters seems to still be quite mysterious. Fans take it as a proof that the characters were "meant for same-sex romances", yet BioWare never said anything clearly, didn't they? But in fact, things like that, leftovers from something that was there during the game's development but then dropped, aren't really weird. It happens in many games. Maybe they didn't have time to clean it up properly, maybe they left it there for the lulz. Either way, this shouldn't be considered canon, and unless ME3 states otherwise, Tali is a M/F option only. --kiadony 07:17, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to point this out, this really isn't the proof we need, and since it was cut we really do need devconfirmation on this one. Somehow I don't think it will be that hard. Lancer1289 14:32, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well I... would like to apology because I misunderstood the use of the Talk page, I didn't thought about devconfirmation on this, I was just mentioning my findings... Sorry... And... well, just as a side note, I completed LotSB and went throught the Omega-4 Relay, the DLC had recorded audio, and Shepard had a male voice before hitting the relay, so I guess it really was meant as a M/F romance all the time. Sorry. --StrikerXE 20:14, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Trivia:Talsi'Orah
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/13/index/7637945/6#7954889

Tali was originally named Talsi Orah. looks like this got taken down so i'll just leave this here and let you decide amongst yourselves.
 * It was taken down because no source was provided for the trivia, and for something like that, a source is needed. Had a source been provided, then it would have been a different story. Now that a source has been provided, it will be added. Lancer1289 01:40, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

"Unfinished Buisness"?
What unfinished buisness does Tali have? I'm just curious.
 * We don't know what it entails as we don't have anything more than what is in the article. It is more than likely that BioWare won't elaborate on that for a while yet. However, if we are going to speculate what it will be, then take that to the forums or a blog as that isn't what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 12:28, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would say the whole Quarian vs Geth thing or her loalty mission--Icemoomoo 07:51, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Please take comments like this to the proper location, which isn't here but rather a blog or forum post. Speculation has no place on a talk page. Lancer1289 13:35, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Quarters?
Where does Tali rest on the Normandy SR2 when she's not working? I mean she says she made some suit repairs when shot on the Alarei, figured that means she had to remove the suit somewhere. Thoughts?
 * This is not the appropriate place for this discussion. Take it to the blogs or a forum post as this isn't what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 21:06, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Profile Picture
I think this picture should be her profile picture Crimsonterminator1000 07:50, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * And that is not permitted. The image is from ME2, and the image at the top must reflect when they were introduced. In this case ME. Lancer1289 07:52, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Why is that? Crimsonterminator1000 22:13, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Spoilers. Lancer1289 22:15, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Oh okay thanks for clarifying Crimsonterminator1000 01:34, January 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Why is a wiki so concered with spoilers? It's supposed to cover every detail of everything, not be a guide on how to play. Especially when Mass Effect is the series that, by nature, has the least possible spoilers of any series I can think of. I know this doesn't really belong on the Tali talk page, but I don't think there is a place to ask... Alex T Snow 10:35, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because that is how our pages are set up. It has worked well actually. Lancer1289 12:27, March 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I understand that, I meant, why are they set up to avoid spoilers, when the point of a wiki is to have all the information about everything, and for it to be correct. I'm just confused by it, as all of the other wikis I know say everything as it is, without worrying about spoilers. Alex T Snow 08:40, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because every wiki is different. They can do what they want with how they set up their articles. This is how ours are set up. That way people can avoid specific spoilers. Lancer1289 14:13, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

"Tali'Zorah" only?
In response to the Article Name Change, how about just removing the "ship name"? I think (correct me if I'm wrong) Zorah is the surname. Rael'Zorah, a member of the Admiralty Board, is the name of her father (I'm sure on this one).

NicKeL BreaD  Talk 17:23, January 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Because articles are written from the time they are introduced, in this case Mass Effect. She isn't introduced as “Tali'Zorah”, she is introduced as "Tali'Zorah nar Rayya". Therefore the article title is appropriate. Quarians place a heavy emphasis on names and titles, and we reflect that in more ways than this. One I admit, I didn’t initially agree with. Lancer1289 17:27, January 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Understood. Thanks!


 * [[File:Wikia sig.png]] NicKeL BreaD  Talk 16:11, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Notch!!! Fix Talis Face!!!

(SPOILER ALLERT) Tali Face
Many says this http://media.multiplayer.it/thumbs/images/2012/03/07/1331085432148201-620x_jpg_640x360_upscale_q85.jpg photo is tali on her planet? Fake? --217.203.132.98 14:42, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I mean it's kind of to early to tell.I hope that's not her real face. --Yellow 94 23:37, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

It's confirmed to be real. It is also confirmed to be a stock photo that Bioware photoshopped so it would look less human. If you look closely, you can see where the fingers are cropped out. --161.253.14.25 23:45, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Well it's not too bad, I guess. I was just hoping for something a little bit more than a photoshopped face. --Yellow 94 23:49, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * These topics belong in the forums or a blog post as this isn't what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 23:52, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Tali's unmasked picture?
Someone explain to me how this is considered speculation. The item in the game is listed as Tali's Picture.
 * I can't explain the speculation edit, however the picture isn't allowed for multiple reasons, including it is super low quality. We have standards for images, and that doesn't even come close. Lancer1289 03:07, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, that makes sense. I am a little new to editing wikis. Thank you. :) Bresslol

Two images showing her face;
 * High quality one of Shepard holding her photo.
 * Lower quality one that is the same image from above just re-orientated, compared to the photo used to create the image.

Based on the quality of the first one I'm sure somebody could re-orientate it like the second one but with much better quality. 81.132.94.107 23:39, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I may take a hacksaw to the first so it can be used and hopefully not diminish the quality. Can't while at class, however.

There is currently a discussion in progress here as to a deletion request for the "unmasked-photo". Please see the discussion and leave input if you have time. If consensus there decides to keep it, we will continue the discussion here as to whether or not consensus agrees to its inclusion within this article. Thanks. DrNegative 02:25, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Tali's knife?
What does Tali do with her knife in Mass Effect 3? I've played through the scenes of her in several different ways and I don't recall her using it. 173.17.169.171 01:33, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

If you choose the quarians over the Geth, Legion will attack you, complaining that he/they should never have trusted organics. Tali draws her knife and stabs legion, killing/destroying him/it to save the player.

Tali x Garrus
I note that it says that Tali and Garrus get together in ME 3if you didn't go after either one of them. When does this happen? Stormkeeper 04:36, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

After finishing the Cerberus Base, before going to Earth. You'll walk in on them in the Gun Battery, and they have a very funny attempted explanation for what their faces were doing so close together. --JimmyTheCannon 00:34, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

suicide pic
if you chose the geth over quarians Tali will suicide [as seen <]clicky
 * Can we please not put images in talk pages. Just link them as it messes up the formatting. As to the picture, I'm not sure why it is here. If it is for inclusion, right now, we can't put it in because of size constraints. We need the section to be bigger before inserting more images. Lancer1289 03:15, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Choose the Geth over the Quarians how, exactly? I allowed Legion to upgrade the Geth, over Tali's objections, and this didn't happen. --JimmyTheCannon 03:23, March 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Did you make peace with the two or did you actually choose the geth over quarians. After you defeat the Reaper on Rannoch, legion/Geth VI will ask to upload the code. Choosing [Upload the Code] and then [Allow Legion] will play the cutscene where you see the Quarians get obliterated by the Geth. when debris fall, Tali suicides. VeteranCookie 03:50, March 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you're right, I made peace. That initial statement by whoever put the picture up was a little vague. --JimmyTheCannon 20:16, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Tali glitch in ME3
New at this.

There is a glitch in ME3, when Tali is in the war room (during the Geth missions). She is typing away at a terminal. If you interrupt (in my case, after saving the admiral, but before the server mission) and talk to her, she turns around, but once the dialogue is over (I chose nothing, just hi-bye), she forgets to turn around. After that, she seems content to type into air, her back to the console.

Can't find a bugs/glitches page(s). Are all bugs in the bugs sections of each page? If so, wouldn't main character sections become fairly large?

Romance glitch ME3
During the main plot, Tali -spoiler!!!!- However, before the endgame, she arrived in my quarters to play out the romance cut scene, big glitch

It must be that hallucination.

Well I had her commenting on the events of sanctuary, long before we actually went there. so I'm not surprised Kastrenzo 13:18, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Could we add a Abilities tag?
Like we can describe her technical expertise as well as her weaponry mastery instead of just listing powers she had in each game?--NaruHina fan 18:24, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Um what? Can you explain that better because if you are saying what I think you are saying, it is already noted for all games. Lancer1289 18:27, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I mean from a story perspective. Like describing Tali's powers and special abilities while leaving the video game powers in their own sections of the articles.--NaruHina fan 00:20, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why should we do that? They are there for gameplay purposes, nothing more. There is no way they could be written like that, and even if it can, I would oppose that because it is not relevant. Lancer1289 00:23, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * In other wiki's that I've been to, main characters if they have any special abilities are described in an Abilities tag, as well as a description of their appearance in a Appearance tag and a Personality tag. They add a lot of completeness to the articles.--NaruHina fan 06:46, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * And we don't do that here. What other wikis do on their articles is irrelevant here. Lancer1289 15:16, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Even if it adds more completeness to the article as well as more information?--NaruHina fan 21:12, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Javik's Comments on Shepard/Tali Relationship
In the ME3 Tali/Romance section, I have added two parts of information concerning what the crewmember Javik has to say about it,

one about a call between Javik and Tali shortly after she rejoins the ship, and the other is dialogue between Javik and Shepard after the Sanctuary mission.

I felt that the first set of info was clear and concise, not too short or long, but I feel that I didn't get the point across in the second one properly. the bit about Shepard's "reasons for fighting" and so on.

If someone would like to clean it up you're more than welcome, I'm not trying to say I did a bad job, I'm just saying that Right now I can't think of a clearer way of getting the info out, it's still valid to the topic I think, comparable to Liara's comments about them during the Shadow Broker DLC in ME2 Kastrenzo 13:22, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, perhaps it may be a good idea for all romance pages to do something similar to what was done with the ME2 Pages. have a subcategory for "From Ashes", to put all the Javik dialogue. Thoughts? I made one for now, if anyone has any serious disagreements with the notion please say so, I don't see why not. Kastrenzo 13:24, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Non-Drunk scenario?
I've actually found one person who didn't get the drunk scene with Tali, and that even changes the dialog between her and Javik later on. The only condition I can put to why this person's was different is that he saved Miranda while being in a romance with her, though I don't know if that's a definitive reason. Should this be made a note of?--KrimzonStriker 05:06, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Have to say that I just reached that scene in my playthrough last night. Am romancing Miranda and renegaded my dealings with Henry which allowed Miranda to live. Tali was there as expected using her emerrgency induction porrt. If there's anything which does trigger Tali to stay sober it must be something other than you have speculated. Infiltrator N7 05:22, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

I also got the drunk Tali conversation just now. I had Miranda live after Horizon too, used the Paragon option with Henry. Was in a romance with Miranda as well.--Snake241079 01:56, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Where to put pre-ME1 events from ME3
Tali describes in greater detail what happened before she went to the Shadow Broker and met Shepard on the Citadel (provided she survives) Where should this be placed exactly, in the ME1 section or ME3?--KrimzonStriker 05:08, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * In ME3 because it is during ME3 where she reveals it to you. — Teugene (Talk) 05:18, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Tali x Garrus if you romanced Tali in Me2?
Does Tali/Garrus happen in ME3 if you romanced her in ME2 but discontinue the romance in Me3? Or do you have to not romance her at all, including ME2, if you want to see the Tali/Garrus thing? --Markus Ramikin 07:58, April 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * i did the inverse: my femshep romanced garrus in 2, broke up in 3, and still caught him and tali calibrating heads together. it probably still applies here. Temporaryeditor78 08:26, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

ME3 survival/death?
Around the end of the ME3 section there's a note that Tali (or any squadmate) can die if your EMS isn't high enough during the final push to the Citadel. Is there a hard number anyone can provide for Tali... or any squadmate for that matter. If this isn't the right page for it, then what is?--Nintendogeek01 04:09, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Emphasis?
I'm confused. Crappy Russian Gold Edition of ME1 is so poorly dubbed that I expect any errors. So my question is what syllable should be stressed in the word "Tali"? I clearly hear it's the first but they say "Ta'li", not "'Tali". Sounds terrible and disguisting. Fortunately I found out about this release just recently and played original versions as always, but shocked nevertheless. I started listen attentively to dialogs about Tali and I'm not so sure now which emphasis is right. Sometimes they sound almost at equal tone and loudness.

Screw those translators, not only they never do it right they often doesn't even feel that some things should be only subtitled but not dubbed. :[ Talimancer 14:43, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * The stress is on the "Tal" as it is "Tali-i", and tone down the language. Lancer1289 14:20, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * So the stressed vowel is "a" and not "i"? Glad it really is. Thanks for the clarification. Talimancer 14:43, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Playable
In Mass Effect 3, is Tali playable after the end of the Rannoch mission? I am currently in that quest line and want to plan the order of my missions without being spoilered with any other information than a yes\no answer.

Thanks! Badslacker 06:48, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * She is a squadmate if you make peace with the geth or side with the quarians. If you side with the geth, she will kill herself. Lancer1289 18:08, May 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * No Spoilers, remember? Intoxicação Alimentar

Depending on a certain choice you make, Tali will remain in your squad after the Rannoch mission. Shika1929 18:26, May 6, 2012 (UTC)Shika1929

Trivia: Tali afraid of spiders?
Is it worth putting trivia on the fact that Tali seems to be afraid of spiders? There are several videos on youtube of Tali freaking out about the rachni during the Attican Traverse: Krogan Team mission in ME3. We also see mention of her fear of spiders in her conversation with Garrus over the Normandy's radio, when they talk about their toughest missions.

Here's the links to the youtube videos for evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDtU-JzuKKg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIQ-iGF1t-4&feature=related

Hitokiri Akins 02:59, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * That is not trivia. Lancer1289 16:06, June 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, is it worth mentioning? I think it's funny, and every time I've played ME1 since, I've thought about her freak out and started mimicking her freak out in ME3. Hitokiri Akins 15:17, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Tali's picture
Hello, can anyone help me with the plot/bool id for tali's picture in shepard's cabin ? I romanced tali at first but now i want to change my romance to liara, but tali's photo still remains in my cabin. Thanks.

Tali's fear of spiders.
Why is this not trivia? It is mentioned more than once in the games--TW6464 (talk) 17:18, January 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * I see no reason why it shouldn't be mentioned. TheUnknown285 (talk) 18:51, January 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * thank you!--TW6464 (talk) 18:56, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Recruitable Squadmate Trivia
This is a general notice. Any and all edits regarding the fact that Tali is one of the squadmates that is recuritable in all three games is not classified as trivia. Any and all additions of this trivia are to be removed on sight. This has been repeatedly added to both this article, and Garrus' article, and has been removed an equal number of times. This is not trivia and will be removed on sight. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:30, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Tali's accent
Moving it here since it was deleted on main page but I still thinks it is interesting:

Tali speech is undetermined and may have been made up entirely. Depending on the audience, it is depicted as either Middle-Eastern, Eastern European, Turkish or even Filipino.-- David Latapie (✒ | @) 10:18, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Addition: Someone mentions that "She spoke with a fairly normal American-like accent in ME1. Apparently during or possibly before the events of ME2, she upgraded her suit's human-language translation programs, so now her voice includes an accent." So that may be a voice distorsion effect; it is still possible to rationalize the different accent between different Quarians with a bit of legwork.-- David Latapie (✒ | @) 10:21, February 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * and those are proof HOW? how about everything you posted is speculation since you provided no proof that the devs intended it to be that way. it's just regular BSN and forumer folk thinking what they want to think, not word of god, and we don't allow stuff like that on the wiki. not to mention this ain't what talkpages are for.


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Citadel DLC
I didn't get the scene where Tali comes to my aid, instead I got Liara. Is this a glitch or did I not do something right?--TW6464 (talk) 22:32, March 10, 2013 (UTC)