User talk:Lancer1289

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Missing Title
please message back there is something that has popped up
 * Ok what has come up because it would be much more helpful if you had explained everything, and left a new message at that.
 * Ok now I know for a fact that leaving a new message is now impossible. Really, is clicking the "Leave Message" button so hard instead of editing the whole page? I ask people not to do that and it happens anyway. Lancer1289 20:43, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Categories
If you wouldn't mind, could you add the DLC category to the two DLC pack articles I just created? I'm using the Firefox 4 beta, so a lot of the Javascript-reliant stuff on the wiki won't work for me; for the time being, it would seem I can't add categories to articles unless I switch to another browser. Thanks. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:40, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure no problem, and please do see your talk page. I have two questions I do need answered. Lancer1289 21:42, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a minor note: You don't have to rely on JavaScript - just add  at the bottom of the page. --silverstrike 21:59, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Female Turian
Check out Issue One of Mass Effect: Evolution, page 16 in the first frame the human cuffing the oddly-shaped turian. He even says "God, even the women look like him. How do you skull-faces stand it?". The turian looks clearly different from the turians we know and love. That's a turian female. PARAGADE74 02:55, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh, I was just typing this very thing. But yes, it is strong implied that Lieutenant Abrudas is a woman given by, I believe, Ben's line upon capturing her and also a distinct difference in appearance from any other turian we have seen as of yet, notably (and strangely) lacking a fringe. --The Illusive Man 02:59, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) I can't say I'm convinced. The diaogue is a bit vague, and maybe guess work, and frankly did you ever consider that visuals can be misleading? Just because someone looks different, doesn't mean they are female. There really is no other evidence to support this, so mention of "she", "her", or any variation. I'm pretty sure they would have made that more distinct. Maybe the Lt. is a differnet kind of turian, a differnt type. Lancer1289 03:02, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh and just saying, "strongly implied" =/= fact. Maybe it will be resolved in issue two. Lancer1289 03:05, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * There isn't really any cause for Ben to say what he did besides the realization that the Lieutenant is a woman. Perhaps future issues will verify or dismiss it. --The Illusive Man 03:14, January 20, 2011 (UTC)03:13, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps but he could also have been making a joke. I'm sure you've see military movies where drill sergeants call their male recruits "women", and I'm sure Spart probably has a story or two. Maybe not, but this can also apply to real life, and other movies, TV shows, books, and I can go on. Now I need to kill a Thresher Maw. Lancer1289 03:21, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I agree Lancer1289 tries too hard to assume this is not a female turian Turianfiend 21:08, January 31, 2011 (UTC)Turianfiend
 * There is no need for petty jabs like this on my talk page or anywhere for that matter. I stated my reasons and there are more than a few problems. I'm not trying hard to assume anything, I'm merely pointing out that there are more than a few problems and maybe it will be resolved later. I'm hoping that it does as we have no knowledge of what turian females to in their society. Since turian culture is based off of Roman Culture, and in Rome, women didn't serve in teh military. Just saying... Lancer1289 21:18, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * But in the Turian Hierarchy, women do serve in the military. This is a case where we know turian culture deviates from Roman culture (which it was based on, not copied directly from), so I can't see the relevance of the lack of women in the Roman army. SpartHawg948 04:25, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I forgot about Orinia. Since I am clearly outnumbered on this argument I concede and I'll make the adjustments to the turian and Abrudas articles. Lancer1289 04:36, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Even more support. I too forgot about Orinia. I was actually thinking of the female turian Garrus mentions serving with in ME2. The one where Garrus had reach, she had flexibility. SpartHawg948 04:43, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I forgot about that one. I have made the adjustments as appropriate, but they could probably use a look over.Lancer1289 04:46, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

If we ever are proved wrong, we can always edit it back. That's the beauty of it, the universe is dynamic. Turianfiend 04:50, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Kasumi does know about Morinth
Regarding your revert of 142.59.79.244's edit of Morinth's page, Kasumi does know if Morinth replaces Samara. It's even mentioned in the page itself:
 * If Morinth has replaced Samara, Kelly Chambers, Joker, and Kasumi Goto notice a change in her behavior, suggesting that her impersonation of her mother isn't perfect. In fact, Kasumi will mention her by name after completion of the suicide mission, urging Shepard not to be enticed by her, as he/she will die. [Emphasis mine]

--Swooshy 21:17, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * And what? That is a trivia note so why exactly are you bringing it up? It is talking about the moment when you complete the loyalty mission and the fact Kasumi mentions it should be mentioned in trivia as they all have suspicions not fact. They all notice a change in behavior, nothing more. Kasumi mentions it because you had to kill Morinth and it is most likely she doesn't believe what happened actually happened. It is a trivia note saying that it may not be perfect, but the facts are that only Shepard knows the truth. Lancer1289 21:27, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Let's talk
I think you have misread me as an obstinate trouble poster, so I'll assume that I misread your actions as well. The justification for deleting my addition as being "unnecessary" confuses me. As I had stated, trivia is literally defined as something unnecessary. The connection I listed was actually of more importance to their raison d'être than the other numerous connections, yet still trivial. -- Shoggoth1890 21:29, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * No some trivia is worthy of note and belongs in articles. Trivia is interesting points where clear parallels can be drawn and there are multiple examples of that. Trivia as a whole unnecessary, I would have to say no as there are some trivia bits around that are not only interesting, but relevant to mention. My favorite on is on the quarian page and it definitely deserves to be there.
 * Your trivia it seems, has problems as Spart has pointed out. The quote is apparently not only vague, but contradicted in future works, making the quote not only out of date, but inaccurate. You had to cherry pick what you presented, and directly from Wikipedia at that, to make it true. Yet as Spart said "Lovecraft's mythos is so convoluted and contradictory that statements like what you are adding really only apply if you selectively pick and choose bits of the mythos. If you take it in its entirety, they cease to have relevance." I tend to agree. Something is unnecessary when it connects two things that are not only a stretch, but incorrect or come from vague statements. Lancer1289 21:40, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

This discussion is split between several pages. I realize that I made a mistake in not posting on the Sovereign talk page. Any particular way you suggest we consolidate it? Going to avoid making anymore counterpoints till we can make this discussion less cluttered, so I don't bloat the activity page. -- Shoggoth1890 21:49, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I really don't see what there is to consolidate, nor how to consolidate the information any further. Or what to consolidate for that matter. Lancer1289 22:00, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, some points were addressed on the other page. I have not cherry picked anything from Wikipedia, that quote is directly from "The Call of Cthulhu", minus an aside.
 * No you cherry picked what you were pulling from. You pulled from sources that were rendered obsolete by new information, which means that it is no longer canon, and the statement means nothing. Spart stated his opinions on the subject and has many things that counter what you are saying. I am monitoring the conversation on his page, and I'm already out of my league so we will have to continue this once that is over with. Lancer1289 22:29, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's confusing stuff. Multiple authors, and authors contradicting themselves and each other, and all sorts of good stuff. I've even got my copy of the Necronomicon right next to me and even with that, my head's swimming here. Trying to do too many things at once, I suppose. SpartHawg948 22:35, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed it's confusing and full of seeming contradictions. I am a bit more of a Lovecraft loyalist, and dislike anything other authors make as they just make things worse and Derleth was pretty well known for his liberal assumption of the Mythos. Despite my dislike of it, it exists and is quite popular. As such, I would not deny a comment in a game about "Hastur's squidface brother" as a reference to the Mythos. I found this connection interesting considering it relates the central plot of the game to the Mythos. You may not have, but I'm sure others would, and the point of my arguement was asking why it should be deleted if it didn't actually harm anything about the integrity of the article.
 * Because it's a fairly subjective piece of information, as we can clearly see here, depending on the selective reading of parts of the mythos, which you almost have to do because of how convoluted and contradictory it is. Further, the item you are adding doesn't really seem to conform to site trivia policy, and this episode is honestly making me reassess the whole Cthulu trivia item. SpartHawg948 23:27, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Then feel free to remove it, but if we could continue this elsewhere as it is starting to get off topic, and like I said, I am really out of my element on this argument. The knowledge I have already has been used up, but from what I understand, it is confusing and contradictions abound. Lancer1289 23:30, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Clearing some confusion
Hi.

I noticed that you changed the Legion profile page of the wikia back to its previous state a few minutes after I made some alternations to it. I suspected this would happen, so instead of going back and changing the sentence, I thought it would be a good idea to explain my reason. During my recent playthrough, I heard Legion say “I” for at least five times during the game (I can mention its exact lines too, if further proof is needed).

Anyways, thanks for your contributions to the ME wiki. The activities of dedicated people like you are what keeps this Mass wikipedia in its impressive state.

Regards

MMight 22:25, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * First, thanks for the compliment, as those tend to be hard to come by. We do try our best. :)
 * Anyway if you could provide the lines, what mission/assignment, and context, then that would be a good thing. A link to a video, please don't upload it as we have a policy about uploading videos, would be even better if you can find it. This might be something that has to be changed but I can only remember that one time, so if you have others, then please do bring them forward. Lancer1289 22:33, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

I believe I have a save right before activating Legion. That should make it easier to replay the game and record his/its dialogues.

The ones I can remember are once during its loyalty mission, when the player is given the option to choose “Activate defenses” and “Yes”. The first one prompts Legion to say, “Yes, I can activate the turret […]” (I have to check this one. I’m completely sure it says “I”, but may use a different verb to convey it.)

The second one I noticed is when the mission is over and they are back on the Normandy. Questioning it about the fate of the Heretics eventually leads to Legion saying “In the time it would take you to voice a question, I can review all my time aboard the Normandy.”

The other three I heard were during the suicide mission. I was deliberately waiting a little before opening the valves to hear its responses. First it said “Path is blocked. I am unable to proceed.”, then a few minutes later: “I am unable to preceed again, Shepard.” … Personally, I think they are deliberate. Its use of “I” and “Shepard” (instead of Shepard-Commander) get more frequent when it is in danger. I am sure I heard Legion say “I” during regular battles as well, but I have to replay the game to state its exact words in those sentences. :)

MMight 22:53, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Legion is an it, no gender.
 * Well the one on its loyalty mission is confirmed as I found a video saying "I". If you could check the rest and get back, then we will have something. Right now even that is enough to change, but now the wording is a problem. If you could check that and get back as quickly as possible. My current saves are a little far from this mission. Meaning I would be playing for many hours before I could check these. Lancer1289 23:09, January 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * My bad. The 'he' slipped after reading some fanfiction. And I checked the lines I mentioned. "In the time it would take you to voice a question, I can review all my time aboard Normandy." is correct.


 * And this is getting interesting. This time in the suicide mission it said "Path is blocked. I am unable to proceed." and "I am unable to continue without your assistance, Shepard." I wonder if it has other dialogues for that ventilation shaft part with more “I”. I used FRAPs to save it this time. Should make it easier for me to watch it again with more attention.

I still haven’t finished most of the side missions, LotSB and the Overlord DLC in this playthrough. I will let you know if it prompts anything remarkable.

Thanks for your cooperation. :)

MMight 23:36, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure if something is inaccurate, like this, then it does need to be changed. Right now it is the wording that needs to be hammered out. If anything comes up, then feel free to mention it. Lancer1289 23:39, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

These are two of the dialogues which we couldn't find on Youtube. I extracted this part of sound file from my playthrough video:

http://www.4shared.com/audio/yOkJJqKb/L1_online.html

http://www.4shared.com/audio/RbDFgvtk/L2_online.html

Regards, MMight 14:45, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Apologies for note getting back quicker, but i had something I had to deal with, and then class. I would have to say that there is enough now to say that Legion does say I more than a few times. I'll adjust the trivia accordingly. Lancer1289 16:54, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

No need for apologies at all. And thanks for helping. :)

MMight 18:40, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. Lancer1289 18:41, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

I have some questions...
Hey, Lancer1289, I am a huge fan of Mass Effect 2, and I was the user who debated with you about Ashley and her belief with God. Thank you for clearing that issue up for me. Knowing that you are very smart about alot of Mass Effect Materials, I wondered if you would answer some questions I have:

1. In Mass Effect 2, I realize that if you choose the wrong and/or unloyal biotic party member on the long walk/run part of the suicide mission, one of you squad members will be carried off by the seeker swarms. However, I have never seen Grunt or Kasumi be carried off. Is it possible for Grunt and Kasumi to be carried off by the seeker swarms? (Note: I have figured which party member will die. Whichever member jumps onto the barricade and says something about proceeding quickly after Shepard moves ahead will be the possible victim if something goes wrong. For my friends and I, it was the second party member in order that we chose. For example, After choosing the next leaders, At the squad selection, we chose Zaeed first and Garrus last. Garrus was the one who talked about moving quickly but then was carried off.)

2. I was told by a friend that, if Shepard and only ONE of the final team Shepard chose to go to fight the HUMAN REAPER were the only ones that survived, Shepard will die. But, when Shepard jumps onto the ship and tells them to tell about the reapers, it will be the one and only squad member that is still alive that will say unique dialogue to Shepard and yell something as he falls, instead of Joker. Is that true? If so, what is the unique dialogue for each party member? (Note: My friend did this with Grunt, and can only remember Grunt saying something like he wouldn't let his battlemaster die. He doesn't really remember because this was a year ago, but he was sure he said something like that.)

3. And, if it's possible, could you or someone you know here do a video and show the results or post them on unique dailogue sections? I can't find these anywhere on Youtube so I don't know if they're possible.

Thanks for letting me ramble about on of the coolest things ever. Please respond to this message if you can.
 * Let's see...
 * I believe it is random who is carried off, but since I avoid killling off squadmates, I wouldn't know about Grunt or Kasumi. Perhaps they can be, but I have no idea. Also I have seen instances, via YouTube and other places where the first party member selected is carried off.
 * If you have just one squadmate alive, whether in the final squad or not, Shepard will survive, or at least that is what I have read. I'm not sure about the dialogue, and we don't have it noted, but even then we do have multiple accounts of people suriving with just one squadmate.
 * I really don't make videos and I'm not sure if anyone here does. But any unique dialogue does go into their individual dialogue pages.
 * That is about all I've got I do hope I did answer your questions. Lancer1289 21:27, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Thaks for responding. The reason the first question was important to me was that half of my friends claim that Grunt is so big and heavy, that is must be impossible for him to be carried off. Kasumi I just have never seen.
 * I'm fairly positive that anyone can be carried off. While we know krogan do weigh a lot and have a lot of weight in armor, I forget the actual numbers, but I know it is somewhere, I think that Grunt could still be carried off. I again state that I believe the person chosen is random. Lancer1289 21:59, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

HEY I HAVE YET ANOTHER QUESTION. When you are on the mission trying to save Garrus from the merc band, but his vital sign bar completely runs out, if he dies, is that a critical failure game over, or does it mean Garrus is not recruitable for the rest of the game and Shepard can still continue through it?
 * I'm assuming you mean Dossier: Archangel, I have never had it happen but I think that if the bar gets depleted, like every other time that appears, its "Critical Mission Failure". That's my guess as I've never had it happen. Lancer1289 03:21, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

HEY I HAVE YET ANOTHER THING. In Mass Effect 2, on Dossier: the Justicar, in the police station near the crime scene, there is a turian who looks exactly like Nihlus, with the same facepaint and armor. I tried to put that on Nihlus' trivia, but an unnamed contibuter took it down. I know this is a fact, because everyone of my friends who played the game noticed this turian looking like Nihlus. Do you agree with me putting this on the trivia page? Could you put it on so it isn't taken down? If not, explain why and where it can go. Thanks.


 * First of all, I'm not sure how you could miss my name. The article history and Recent Changes make it pretty clear that I undid your edit. Now to the point, the info you added is not trivia-worthy. You're saying a random turian on that particular mission looks like Nihlus. How is that relevant to Nihlus? The only thing the two have in common is their appearance, and even that isn't particularly notable. From an out-of-universe standpoint, BioWare may have simply reused character textures. In-universe, we know that 1). Phantom armor is not one-of-a-kind, if Shepard can buy it, so can other people, so there are very likely other turians aside from Nihlus with that armor; and 2). turian facial markings represent the colony a turian hails from, and unless Nihlus is the sole member of his colony, there could be thousands of other turians out there with the same markings. I fail to see how pointing out that there's another turian out there that looks like Nihlus is relevant to Nihlus, or at all notable. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:09, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed. First it wasn't some unnamed contributor, it was Commdor who has a long history of good edits. Second, had I not been at Mass, I would have taken down myself. This has been brought up on multiple pages and dismissed multiple times as not trivia on any page. Commdor has presented information that I would have otherwise presented, given that I was attending to other matters. I will not readd the trivia and I oppose its inclusion on any page given the facts presented above that I now don't need to type. Again. Lancer1289 01:16, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa, didn't mean to make him angry. The edit log said it was an wikia contributor. It didn't say Commdor at all.
 * It sometimes catches and displays like that. And I don't see anyone getting angry or at least not based on comments. Lancer1289 01:28, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Squad Members Guide edit
Hey Lance, my bad on editing ur edited... but I undid a user`s wholesale delete of the page and I thought that that word was left over from that contrib`s edit, so which is why I did so.... but now I see you`re the one who put the code word there. H-Man Havoc 21:48, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * No harm no foul. The tocright template puts the Table of Contents in an article on the right hand side. Useful in very long articles, or ones with a lot of headings.
 * Also note that admins and bureaucrats like myself and Spart respectively, along with some other users, have a function called "rollback". This function leaves the edit summary: "Reverted edits by ___ to last version by ____". Rollback is a handy tool can be used to quickly undo vandalism, or revert unconstructive edits, however the former is used more than the latter. This is what I did in this case. The function reverts edits by one user and puts it back to the last editor before that and usually restores the original before the vandalism. There really isn't a need to undo when a rollback is done, however sometimes it is necessary to fix things manually. Lancer1289 21:59, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hey friend
Just for you, I'm going to label what each section of this comment is, so you're not confused.

[quote] 'Finally how do I render myself guilty? This is something I’d like to know. Lancer1289 22:04, November 19, 2010 (UTC)' [/quote]

[critic] You banned me for saying derp, incorrectly thinking I was call you anything. No language, no culture has ever used derp as a term of offence. It is an Internet word like lol or Problem? You took any reason to shut me up because your feelings where hurt, and you couldn't just deal with it, to deal with someone elses choice of words. You justify your irrational feelings on a lack of knowledge of your own belief system. There's such a thing as not being a over sensitive, and you lieing that you explained yourself when you did not, and putting words in my mouth just testifys to your adminship of a wiki. I can't explain to you again what you've done, since you won't listen, and you lack the humility to look back and look at what you wrote down those 3 months ago. This is for me and anyone else reading this frustrated over this dictatorish behavior. [/critic]

[opinion] You sir, are a fool and a egomaniacal child. [/opinion]

P.S. Banning me for three months on one wiki hasn't changed my life. I haven't lost sleep nor thought over how I can't edit. Besides, Wikis aren't even factual half the time.
 * Wow you are back for all of a day and you are already on thin ice. I banned you for a good reason, your frequent edit warring, insulting of other users, and repeated violations of the Community Guidelines. I did not van you to shut you up, but I banned you for the reasons I listed.
 * I will not engage in another long discussion with you about your behavior, which you already betrayed as you care for no one but yourself, and that isn’t just my opinion. I will warn you for the last time, you have already insulted me again, and if you cross the line again, you will be banned permanently. I suggest if you which to continue editing here, then either shape up, or ship out. Lancer1289 15:23, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * I am greatly entertained by your ability to make a mountain out of a mole hill. And why do you alway say I'm on "thin ice" when you say it every response you make to me? This ice you keep referring me to is very odd, it's always thin, but I can walk on it until I say derp.
 * No you have violated the language policy and insulted me. Two violations of the Guidelines, which everyone has to follow, that are taken very seriously. I am not making a mountain out of a mole hill, you are as I am performing my duties of an admin to say that you have violated the Guidelines and telling you that you did.
 * Also you are on thin ice due to your past actions, and your past behavior. Again, shape up or ship out. Lancer1289 16:50, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * "I dont want to continue another discussion"

Continue discussion.

It's my duty as a user to point out your logic makes no sense.
 * I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that, in common usage, derp is an insult or, as you put it, a "term of offence". And it doesn't take a genius to understand that "fool" and "egomaniacal child" are insults, and as such are clear violations of site policy, regardless of whether or not you surround them with /opinions. Funny story - despite your allegations of dictatorial behavior (the proper term, as "dictatorish" isn't a word), no one has ever gotten banned for following site policies. If you don't go around constantly insulting people, (big shocker here, you might want to site down) you won't get banned! Maybe you should work on that? SpartHawg948 17:17, January 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hahahahahaahahhahaha, oh man, you're too much. You really are trying to find anything to make you feel powerful, aren't you? There is so much wrong in that post right there, I can't put into words your foolishness. And the worst part of it is I can't properly tell you two off because you are admins, and therefor, have a louder voice than me or any other user. Derp is not an insult, it is a statement of something obvious by ordinary people on the Web. And the Urban dictionary is not a valid source of information due to definitions being voted by popularity. This was even ruled true in the court of law.


 * http://jezebel.com/5310877/urban-dictionary-ruled-not-a-reliable-source
 * To quote you, good sir: "Hahahahahaahahhahaha, oh man, you're too much." Rather, I should be thanking you. Why? Because, in attempting to "refute" my post, you actually helped make my point for me. Let's see what you said: "Urban dictionary is not a valid source of information due to definitions being voted by popularity." (emphasis added) Sounds like exactly the sort of source one would turn to in order to determine the common usage of a word, doesn't it? Nor is the fact that Urban Dictionary is not admissible evidence in a court of law relevant, as I was not trying to prove anything in a court of law. Talk about a statement of the obvious. So again, thanks so much for undermining your own position and helping make my point for me. If only everyone were so considerate. :) SpartHawg948 00:20, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * I used the event as an example of the foolishness of using a system based on popularity. If 400,000 people voted the words Christian and Jesus as offensive on Urban Dictionary, then by your definition, it would be true that those words are offensive if used in everyday usage. So, now I know if I gather over 9000 brothers in arms to vote up this new definition, then you'd follow this action as valid if you had no knowledge of manipulation. "Sounds like" is something I would expect from a person that is admin of a wiki, and another getting offended from someones use of words is typical as well. Herp a derp, good sir, and may you wurp as much as you durp, and help you find insult in nonsensical words.
 * Negativ-o, good sir. Were you to try any such thing with Christian and Jesus, well established words whose definition has been clearly know for centuries, I'd never know, as there would be no reason to consult the 'net for definitions of words whose definitions have, again, been known for many centuries. Made-up words, on the other hand, don't have the same centuries-long history, and so common usage is key. And given that the common usage of words like that is on the internet (as opposed to words such as Christian and Jesus, whose primary common use is of a non-net variety), the system based on popularity is a pretty decent way of determining common usage. As for your example, it would probably have helped if the article you cited said something (anything) along the lines of the point you were using it to prove. It didn't. There was literally nothing in the source you provided stating that Urban dictionary was ruled inadmissible because it was a system based on popularity. Generally, when citing an example to back a claim, it helps if the example backs up the claim. As for made-up words, you're free to use them as you will. All I ask is that you not go around breaking site language policy (or any site policies) anymore, as you did with your first post to Lancer today. Avoid conduct like that, and we'll be A-OK. SpartHawg948 03:40, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also just pointing out that if you were doing something wrong at say your job, wouldn't your boss keep pointing it out as part of his job? Just saying... Lancer1289 17:22, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup. And if you keep showing up to work with no pants, or keep cussing at and arguing with customers, coworkers, and managers, you tend to get fired. SpartHawg948 17:34, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Permission Granted
You, Lancer1289, have my permission to move the AudioBox template onto my userspace. --Swooshy 21:55, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Starships
In the starship section you claim that, my picture isn't a turian fighter. It is, you really get too hung up on speculation, not liking specualtion in and of itself isn't bad, but you take it to a level that is unnecessary. If my fighter isn't a turian fighter then the picture of the Alliance figher should also be removed. How do I know that is an Alliance fighter? I would like a detailed description of where and when it appeared, as well as proof that it is Alliance, nothing short of a figher pilot announcing to the Mass Effect community that he is a fighter pilot, and that he is getting in an Alliance fighter (which by the way is only employed by the Alliance). To which the Mass Effect Universe as a whole will return and respond "Yes, he is correct he is a pilot for the Alliance and that is an Alliance fighter." Only if I see that will my skeptism be quenched. But since for what ever reason you have decided that is an Alliance fighter, and we know that only the turians were battling the Alliance at Shanxi and I saw a fighter shooting at an Alliance fighter, then the other fighter must be turian. It isn't some pirate, it isn't an incident of friendly fire. It is a turian fighter, because exists as a concept drawing for one, just as the Alliance figher is a concept drawing, and it is actually being employed as a fighter in a source that is considered canon in the ME Universe. That is how I know it is a turian fighter. Which is the same way we all know that it is an Alliance fighter. True, not all concept drawings are fleshed out and made into something, but these ones were. As far as the picture goes, again, it is the only one I have available, there probably are some better ones, but I make due with what I have (in the turian page they have a concept drawing of a turian that is unarmored, I think it should be removed cause I've never seen a naked turian in game) and that picture is what I have. The wiki is suppose to be a comprehensive compilation of everything ME related. I have more examples of fighters, I think they should be archived with the rest of the fighters. I also agree on that with other styles of ships. We don't need every ship, character, object, or doodad ever put up on the site. But having only 1 example of a class of ship is underwhelming. The cruiser has 2 examples, one Alliance and 1 turian. Because those are the 2 that we see at the battle of the citadel. This is a sci-fi wiki, so we should have all the things that make sci-fi fun, the races, the tech, and the starships up where we can view and see as much as we can. We only have 1 asari ship, and that is the Destiny Ascension, when we get more asari ships I hope someone puts them up. Turianfiend 20:46, January 31, 2011 (UTC)Turianfiend
 * Now I know beyond a doubt that simple instructions are impossible to follow
 * So the fact that your image overloaded the section means nothing? Or that it is extremely low quality? Or that is an extremely granny image? Or that every other picture on that page, which is written from an in-universe perspective, is from the games, and not from concept art? Not every picture gets a place in articles for various reasons. We do know those are Alliance Fighter, and used in the game. Your image is not in the game, it is only concept art, and we don't have much concept art on the wiki. Your image also is never seen in the game, and the fighter image is and in Evolution. Also it is visibly different from the turian fighters that are present in Evolution.
 * You are making this a much bigger issue than it has to be. I would suggest taking a moment to calm down before things get out of hand. Lancer1289 21:03, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

3D images often have that capacity, to look different if presented at a different view point. And I am calm, this is a public forum, not your forum. Everything I post is legitimate, have you heard of Vandalism it is posted on Guidelines? I post something and come back after 10 minutes and everything I have done is remove, and not just me, every post that I have witnessed. My addition was valid, was it perfect ... by no means. Like I said, I'm just trying to add to the experience that is ME wiki. And no a picture or 2 here and there doesn't overload anything. Was my picture too big ... I didn't think so, but it doesn't mean it wasn't, so as an alternative you can always resize it. Do I expect everything I do to remain posted. Heavens no. But everything I do, isn't good enough for you.
 * No this is not my forum and frankly I'm getting tired of hearing that. I'm an admin here, which means I am to uphold standards and make the wiki better. However, if an edit is done counter to that, then I do have to revert it. Which so far the vast majority have been. In addition, you did dodge the questions about it overloading the section and the one about the image being granny and low quality. Images like that have been added, removed, and in some cases deleted. If you had looked at the article after you added the picture, it was not only way to large, but it also broke up the formatting of the article.
 * As to the vandalism question. You have been here for all of a few hours, I've been here for over a year, and have seen every instance of what is described as vandalism, many, many times over. Lancer1289 21:34, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Hades Nexus systems unlocked with only Project Firewalker
Hi Lancer, I was a bit unsure why my edit of the Hades Nexus page (Mass Effect 2 version) was considered unnecessary "since it didn't appear on other pages". Are you saying that if a system has no assignments/missions involved with it, then it's always automatically unlocked? (hence, not worth mentioning explicitly on the article) Rtl42 00:08, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, acutally Pamyat is locked, like Sheol, if you don't have the star chart from Baria Frontiers. In situations where multiple systems could be unlocked by DLC, or other triggers, it doens't list every system that can be unlocked by having this DLC pack. Since the Sheol system has an assignment, the note is saying that only two systems, the gateway and assignment system are unlocked, while you need the map to access the other two. Hades appears to be unique in this situation, however, it is usually handled by the Prereq tag in every cluster/system/planet article. Lancer1289 00:22, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * While I think I understand the convention about what to write/what not to, I just wanted to point out that Pamyat is not locked like Sheol. (I haven't even gained access to Illium and I can go to Pamyat.) I know it's not a big deal, so I'm not trying to make this into anything, but imho, as long as we are going to explicitly write out which systems are unlocked by what, it seems reasonable to me to write it accurately. Rtl42 06:22, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Really? Because Pamyat is locked for me and I did do a lot of research on it before I added the note. Right now I am thinking about just changing the note, but I will need some time for more research. Lancer1289 13:48, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I see. Unfortunately, I don't have any recording equipment to show some real proof (I'm not sure if screenshots would cut it), but I'd be glad to help if you need to ask me anything about my game "state" (what missions I've done, what DLC I have, etc.). Rtl42 16:14, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * The thing is that some systems have a habit of unlocking at odd times and some systems unlock with different circumstances/triggers. Every time I have done Volcano Station, without buying the star chart, I only see two systems on the map for Hades Nexus, the gateway and Prothean Site system. Pamyat is never shown without the star map. I also saw this on several YouTube vidoes while doing the research, leading to the current note. However, the prereq tags on the planets and system page for Pamyat all say that you do need the star map. Like I said, I'll do some more research and that will take time. Lancer1289 17:09, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Request re: wikia.css and common.js
Hello Lancer,

How go your preparations for the snowpocalypse? I'm hearing forecasts for 18 inches of snow in Chicago... sounds like a fun time!

I'm writing to request an amendment to MediaWiki:Wikia.css and MediaWiki:Common.js.

Because of the upgraded MediaWiki software, the kludge needed to work around issues with embedding audio in articles is no longer needed. Specifically:

/* Hack to make the button not an obnoxious green on IE */ div.codexaudio button { filter: none !important; }

/* Hack to make the "Native browser support" appear (Chrome, FF) */ div.codexaudio video, div.codexaudio audio { height:38px !important; }

can be removed from MediaWiki:Wikia.css, and

/* We have an old version of the oggHandler extension, which has the native ogg players for firefox and chrome (among others) dead-last in priority. This piece of code promotes it   to the head of the pack, working around an issue with Quicktime causing freezes on Firefox as reported by SpartHawg948 (later reproduced by Dammej). Big thanks to Pcj from the community wiki for the suggestion and code. */ $(function { if (typeof wgOggPlayer === 'undefined') { return false; } if (wgOggPlayer === null ) { return false; }

wgOggPlayer.players=['videoElement', 'cortado', 'quicktime-mozilla', 'quicktime-activex', 'vlc-mozilla', 'vlc-activex', 'totem', 'kmplayer', 'kaffeine', 'mplayerplug-in', 'oggPlugin']; });

can be removed from MediaWiki:Common.js.

Whenever you find yourself with some free time, do you think you can make these changes? Thanks in advance! -- Dammej ( talk ) 03:13, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry was driving back home in a mini-blizzard, which will only get worse tomorrow after a small window of calm weather. Anyway I would just like to clarify that the strings of code you are giving me are to be removed, not added or replaced correct? I just don't want to break the wiki here. Lancer1289 03:44, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, they can be removed. The upgraded software has made them obsolete. -- Dammej ( talk ) 03:51, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK then two removals coming up. Right after I get my popcorn out of the microwave. Lancer1289 03:52, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Done, and as to my preparations for the upcoming blizzard, you are working off old information my friend. The predictions are now up to 20+ inches for my area. The college sent around emails today to say they may be closed on Wednesday, considering it's a commuter college, and my only class on Wednesday his optional. My teacher said come if you can, and if you can't, here's the work for Friday along with the quiz. I do have a snow blower, and a shovel for the upcoming days. And it is already snowing, up to 4 inches tonight. Driving wasn't bad, but I'm sure it will be bad when I have to come home tomorrow, if class isn't canceled. I'm predicting I'll be home on Wednesday one way or the other, considering I live 30 minutes, on a good day, away from school. Lancer1289 04:00, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a doozy. I'll be working from home tomorrow afternoon and Wednesday for sure. Good luck with the storm! -- Dammej ( talk ) 04:11, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, good luck as well. Lancer1289 04:14, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Alternate appearence dlc
Why do you keep deleting what I'm posting as it is relevant and not listed yet? Tivis014 04:47, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * See your talk page. Lancer1289 04:50, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

DLC Price Formatting
I changed the price formatting in the DLC page because it was confusing. I originally saw the point/dollar amounts as for the same piece, as 80 points = $1 USD. After being shown by another member that wasn't the cause, and that the two were different as the USD amount reflected the Playstation Network and not the actual price of the points, I edited the field to be easier to understand for people. I didn't believe this required discussion due to the information being the same, just cleaner. WNxSajuukCor 20:51, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * No it did require discussion since it is beyond a doubt a very major change to the page. It changes how information is presented and that always requires discussion. What Commdor did is what I would have done because Kasumi, Overlord, and LotSB are included on the disk for the PS3, they are not downloaded and therefore not available over PlayStation Network. I also frankly would say no to an overhaul like that because some people may not know the markings for MS points, or for PlayStation Network, or frankly what the PC meant. "Where do you buy these PC points I need for this content?" is what I was asking myself. I’m guessing that some people may not make the connection between PC and BioWare points from the BioWare social site. The way it is now may be messier, but it is also much more to the point and presents the information better than symbols that everyone may not understand. When it comes to pricing, it is best to present it in the simplest way possible, e.g. with words over symbols to eliminate confusion. Even if we wanted to eliminate confusion, we still have USD next to say "$1.99". Lancer1289 21:01, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Opinion
Hey there, boss-man. Quick favor to ask you... In case you hadn't noticed it, there's renewed discussion on an old topic on the quarian talk page (Talk:Quarian), and an outside opinion (specifically yours) has been requested. Basically, I'm still asserting that the garb quarian females wear (enviro-suits and the cloth pieces they wear over them and all that) do bear some physical and cultural similarities to burqas. The other user disputes this claim. Originally, he'd wanted to have the other three admins review the matter and opine, with a majority decision determining whether the trivia item stays or goes, but since, as you know, Tullis and DRY haven't been active in quite some time, that isn't really an option. However, your opinion on the matter would still be greatly appreciated. So whenever you get a chance, if you could pop on over, take a look at the discussion, and let us know what you think, it would be much appreciated. Thanks! SpartHawg948 20:27, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure I'll check it out and get back. I just got in from Snowmageddon acutal reporters were using that term. I just spent three hours shoveling/snowblowing not only my own driveway and sidewalk, but then the neighborhood comes out in force, and suddenly everyone within reasonable distance has driveways and sidewalks done. I'll need some time to catch up, but it looks like I didn't miss much. Rest asured I'll get around to it and give my opinion. I just have one more message to drop. Lancer1289 20:51, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Roger that. I'll probably see it later then. Duty calls, so I'll be doing the worky-work thing here starting in a little bit. At least now I'll have something to look forward to when I get home! :) SpartHawg948 20:54, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

AudioBox Template
I've finished the AudioBox Template and yay/nay voting is open. I'd like your input, please. --Swooshy 23:05, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism on Forum:Index
It seems to me that Forum:Index is being vandalized pretty frequently. Since the page isn't meant to be edited much anyway, would semi-protecting it be out of the question? -- Commdor (Talk) 01:05, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Frankly it has been vandalized a lot, especially frequently. We protect articles very little, and given that it is a page that is only supposed to be edited very infrequently, I don't see why Spart would object to it being protected. I will leave him a message and see what he says. Lancer1289 01:09, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, just the usual "free speech is good, protection is bad, don't reward the bad behavior of vandals with blatant admission of frustration and defeat" libertarian goodness I usually have to say on the subject. SpartHawg948 02:01, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

MoS and other edits
Recently, when informing an editor of policy, you wrote:

"So when was this change to the Manual of Style agreed upon because I can't seem to remember this discussion anywhere? The MoS is generally only edited by Admins, or with the permission of an Admin. If you have a problem with something bring it up on the talk page, but editing articles that are for wiki policy, no matter the circumstances, require discussion, not arbitrary change."

Emphasis mine. I take issue with this. Intended or not, this comes dangerously close to saying that only admins should edit the MoS, which is of course not the case. If it were, the page would be protected.

I believe it is inappropriate to assert or imply that admin permission is needed to change the MoS. Admins are not special when it comes to producing content on a wiki. They exist to help the community. Period. The MoS is not something that should be developed solely by the admins with input from the community. It should be developed by the community as a whole, since it is the community that is agreeing to abide by the policies set forth in that document. For the purposes of developing that document, an admin is just an ordinary user with the same voice as any other. Their status as an admin carries no weight. Their reputation as a respected editor might, but their status as an admin should be of no consequence.

I'm not saying the change made by the user should be in the MoS, or even that the user's behavior in repeatedly changing the MoS despite clear opposition should be condoned or nurtured. I just think that you need to choose your words more carefully when describing why it is that the MoS changes are being reverted.

Instead, I would have told the user that their changes are not in line with what the community has previously come to a consensus on, and that their change should be brought up for discussion in the talk page so that the idea can be fleshed out more and receive input from more users; Adminship notwithstanding.

I hope I'm not way off base in telling you this. I have the utmost respect for a user that works endlessly to ensure that the wiki is in top shape (I wish I could afford the same amount of time). I just don't want anyone to get a mistaken impression that an admin exists as the gatekeeper of the wiki, through whom edits must be blessed.

Thanks for reading. -- Dammej ( talk ) 05:04, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * That is how the system has generally worked in the past. Generally, any time an edit has been done to the MoS in the past, it has been either by an admin, or by someone with an admin's permission. I said generally for a very good reason in that it does in no way imply that admins are the only ones that edit it, but the majority of the time admins are the ones editing it. Anyone is of course free to edit it, like most pages, hopefully with discussion first if it something major, whether it be to clarify something, as you did on one occasion with no permission I might add, or adding something that was agreed upon, adjusting something for (insert reason here), or even just to fix a small error in there with spelling or grammar. The MoS however, like the Community Guidelines, are official site policy and generally are only edited by admins when something comes up, or a change is agreed upon. Again though, it is free for anyone to edit, which has happened also in the past, but examining the history of the MoS, the majority of edits, 49 of the 76 edits, if I counted correctly, to the MoS were by admins, Tullis, DRY, Spart, and myself, with 8 of my edits being before I was an admin. IIRC, one of those edits was done without permission of any admin, or at the very least part of it to clarify something, which is again what you also did on one occasion.
 * Admins are here to help the community and respect it's wishes. Admins are of course moderators, not gods or rulers or kings/queens, but they are there to guide, help, and officiate when necessary. This is also why admins have only one vote when it does come to voting, but at the same time they can break a tie if necessary. Admins are also bound to follow the same documents, the MoS, CG, and anything else, just like everyone else has to. Which is why you don't see Spart or myself breaking them and advising others to not break them, and warning them if they do. An admin is not a gatekeeper, nor a senior editor, or anyone else for that matter, however that has come up in the past when edits by the same person constantly get reverted for any number of reasons. Any edit in line with the MoS and accepted guidelines is of course welcome, but admins, or anyone else for that matter, do have enforce the MoS and advise people who do go against it. Admins do serve the community, but at the same time, when applicable, have to step in to resolve arguments and maybe advise of site policy. Lancer1289 05:37, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm aware that you spoke correctly (in general, edits to the MoS are only done by admins). I merely wanted to point out that an outside user, unaware of any history about a user or their past actions, could interpret that phrase (the one I highlighted earlier) as them having broken some unwritten rule that admins should be the only ones editing the MoS. I wasn't accusing you of actually implying that edits should only be made by admins, merely pointing out that your statement could be interpreted that way. If your goal is to nurture and educated rather than imply admin authority (which, given your heartfelt sentiment above, would indeed seem to be the case), then I merely encourage you to be sensitive to those issues. Nothing more, nothing less. -- Dammej ( talk ) 05:55, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess that comes from someone else's view of the word "generally". I see generally as "this is how something usually works", but that does again no way imply that admins are the only ones who can edit it. I can see now how that might be interperted as "only this group can edit this article", and I'll try to word things a little more carefully in the future. Lancer1289 06:03, February 6, 2011 (UTC)