User talk:Garhdo

Hi, welcome to Mass Effect Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Talk:Mass Effect 2 page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Tullis (Talk) 17:54, June 29, 2009

Character page suggestion
Just wanted to point out that the suggestion you left on the talk page for Characters would actually be pretty much taking it back to the way it was before the big cleanup and reorg that was done to the page 6 months ago. I commented extensively on it in my reply on Talk:Characters, but the gist of it is, the page is for MAJOR characters, not for plot characters. The vast majority of the names you suggested adding are trivial characters who you speak to once, hardly what I'd call major. And some of them, far from being plot-important, are anything but (IE Jenkins and Nihlus). We're trying to keep the page nice, neat, and not excessively long, as it is not meant to be a complete list. Thanks for the input, but as I stated in my response, I honestly don't see it happening. SpartHawg948 11:33, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Action mode
Noting here the options taken throughout the game if the Action mode of Mass Effect 3 is played. Will be adding to this as I play through my save. It should be noted that I have heard that the game changes depending upon the import. This game was played using an imported Renegon Female Shepard save started in Mass Effect 2 but using Mass Effect: Genesis.

Main Game

 * Most conversations seem to take a Renegade edge by default, however interrupts can still be used, and there are a few Paragon points gained and Shepard is friendly to squadmates both past and present. Shepard also does not take Investigate conversation options.
 * Doctor Chakwas is recruited as the Normandy's doctor.
 * Shepard tells James Vega not to refer to them with a nickname.
 * Allers is brought aboard the Normandy. Conversations make no attempt to remove her. Shepard flirts with her after Tuchanka but not after Rannoch.
 * James was selected to fix the comm station on Menae: Command Outpost over Liara.
 * My imported Romance with Garrus Vakarian was ended. No other romance is being pursued.
 * EDI is told not to alter her programming and that Shepard is not the best person to ask opinions of.
 * Shepard doesn't buy a round for either the soldiers or James.
 * The biotic students are forced into an active combat role.
 * NB: This was with an import with a loyal Jack, circumstances may vary if Jack or Jason Prangley die.


 * Steve Cortez is encouraged to visit the Citadel.
 * Matriarch Aethyta and Liara T'Soni are encouraged to talk.
 * Septimus Oraka can't be reasoned with and Shepard tells Aria to kill him.
 * Jona Sederis is released from custody.
 * Aralakh Company chosen over the Rachni Queen/Breeder.
 * Dalatrass Linron's offer and the sabotage is not mentioned to Eve and Urdnot Wrex/Urdnot Wreav
 * Shepard tries to persuade Mordin Solus not to cure the genophage but will fail. The interrupt must be used.
 * NB: this was with an import where Maelon's data was saved and Wrex died. May be different if Eve dies, or Wrex lives.
 * Shepard later reveals the truth of this to Garrus during a conversation on the Normandy after the Fall of Thessia, if the interrupt is taken and the genophage is not cured.


 * Kaidan Alenko/Ashley Williams cannot be talked down and is killed by a squadmate, or by Shepard via a renegade interrupt.
 * However Kaidan/Ashley can be won over by lowering weapons with the Paragon interrupt, but they are not recruited and are instead sent to Admiral Hackett, becoming War Assets.
 * Shepard allows Captain Aaron Sommers to kill the Cerberus agent.
 * Shepard executes Balak
 * The Commander draws their gun on Falere if she is alone, but needs a Renegade interrupt to execute her.
 * NB: Performed on an import where Morinth was selected over Samara. Unsure what would happen with Samara present


 * Shepard will not miss the shot against Garrus on the Citadel.
 * Shepard will not reinforce Lee Riley, leading to her death.
 * Shepard will plead with Tactus for the medical supplies.
 * Admiral Koris cannot be persuaded to give his co-ordinates and thus dies against the geth.
 * The Geth VI was stopped from uploading the code and thus the quarian fleet destroyed the geth.
 * NB: this was with an import where Legion was sold to Cerberus. May differ if he is present.


 * Shepard allows Miranda Lawson access to Alliance resources.
 * Shepard cannot convince Henry Lawson to release Oriana Lawson, and so a renegade interrupt must be used to avoid losing Miranda Lawson.

From Ashes
Main mission content unchanged. However towards the endgame Javik is encouraged to use the memory shard. When asked, Shepard responds that he/she is fighting for their loved ones.

Mass Effect 3: Leviathan
Story content unchanged, however conversations are all renegade. The interrupts to save Ann Bryson remain.

Mass Effect 3: Omega
Conversations are more renegade, but the interrupts remain for shutting off the power and sparing Oleg Petrovsky. Story content unchanged.

Mass Effect 3: Citadel
to be added.

Endgame
to be added.

Yep.
Having fun? :)

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 22:05, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Always feel free to quote anything you want for your new blog. Garhdo (talk) 22:20, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

I'm already up to ten pages.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 22:22, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

I give up. the man is a complete moron and is grasping at straws in a vacuum.Garhdo (talk) 23:34, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Notice how every other comment is about rape with this guy....

Yeah, I'll start working on that blog tomorrow maybe. --The Milkman | I always deliver. 23:37, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

I swear this moron is playing a different Mass Effect to the rest of us lol. Can't wait for your blog dude.Garhdo (talk) 23:51, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

It Wasn't You
It was quite literally everything else, and the other user's comment is quite literally what broke the camel's back so to speak.

However, the walkthroughs have always been a part of the site and I don't see that going away. I have gotten several comments, and heard over Xbox live that we are a good place to go for them as other places are not as reliable. Walkthroughs, like the articles for the novels (Mass Effect: Ascension), the games (Mass Effect 2), the comics (Mass Effect: Redemption), the class guides (Vanguard Guide (Mass Effect 3)), the player notes of weapon articles, and most of the multiplayer articles are intentionally written out of universe because they have to be.

A number of other wikis, very large ones, also have the practice of having both in-universe (NPCs, player character, places), and out-of-universe articles. One of the largest I can think off of hand is the Vault, and Nukapedia. They manage to do it quite successfully. I know there are others, but I wanted to give one very big example. Lancer1289 (talk) 03:46, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

That's fair enough, but this issue won't be resolved. I know the other user was being rude about it but the fact is that the comment, while a joke, is unnecessary. If you can find three other examples of such jokes I will happily retract my point but I believe it should be removed. I have asked SpartHawg to intervene simply so that the issue can be resolved.

I understand the walkthroughs should be written in a different style in order to meet their purpose, but that doesn't mean they should resort to jokes - they should still be as concise and informative as the rest of the wiki. Nevertheless an incident like this is causing contention and must be resolved asap.Garhdo (talk) 03:53, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Image on Talk:Turian
Would you please make the image on the Talk:Turian page smaller? It's currently quite unwieldy. (And since it is your comment, I am not allowed to change it.) Instead of using the whole image URL for images hosted on our wiki, you can use wiki-text like the following, so you can change the size. Trandra (talk) 07:53, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't realise the whole image posted as I was just trying to post the URL, same as I did for the turian image. Any way I can do that rather than just changing the size?Garhdo (talk) 08:14, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

It's ok I think I've sorted it.Garhdo (talk) 08:28, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Inflammatory comments...
Look, I get that it wasn't meant as an insult, but surely you can see how someone who has devoted a great deal of time and effort to this wiki might not appreciate being called "out of touch". Things like that can really tend to throw wrenches into discussions and derail the whole thing. Is there any chance you can avoid further inflammatory statements toward other editors in the future? I mean, a blind man could have seen that the "out of touch" remark was only going to cause drama. Please note, this is a request, nothing more, as your comments were in no way a violation of site policy, they were just (IMO) ill chosen. Thanks, SpartHawg948 (talk) 08:35, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

I understand and respect the contributions Lancer has made in the past, but you must be able to see that recently he is acting in a way where he is against the entire community, including other admins. All of his comments are curt and abrasive, verging on rude. As I said to him if he is having as many personal problems as he says he needs to step back as he is not helping this perceived divide between admins and community which is permeating this site recently. I said what I said as, at present, it is the best description of his behaviour and I believe admin involvement to curb his antagonist attitude is sorely needed. My comment was also meant to highlight to him exactly the way he is being perceived, and perhaps spur him to take some action to improve his attitude. Yes the comment was bound to cause trouble, but it is also the harsh truth. Still, I understand where you are coming from and I will respect your request, as I was perhaps a bit too harsh, but I follow with a request of my own - talk to Lancer. If he is having as many issues as he suggests then he should step away from the wikia until he can be more agreeable, as all he is doing at present is furthering the divide and causing more drama.Garhdo (talk) 08:45, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I will second that. Lancer is constantly curt, hostile, abrasive, and inflexible, not just recently but for quite a while.  Case in point would be this exchange where he snapped at someone for just making a suggestion about a page.  It is harming the community and is a major source of the antipathy that many of the users are feeling towards the Admins in general.    TheUnknown285 (talk) 09:00, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Garhdo, I've been talking to him. He's stated his desire to step back and take a less active role in discussions, policy, etc, at least for the time being. Which is exactly why comments like the one you made are so frustrating. They draw him back in and only serve to draw out the abrasiveness. It's a "one step forward, two steps back" scenario. And TheUnknown285, perhaps the community isn't blameless here. Just as "many of the users" are feeling "antipathy" toward the admins as a whole because of the actions of one, the actions of a small but vocal minority of editors, who are needlessly antagonizing admins and deliberately insulting them for no other reason than to antagonize certainly isn't helping admin-community relations either. I've taken the insults directed at me in stride, but not everyone else is so inclined. SpartHawg948 (talk) 09:15, February 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * That is no reason to take it out on others by snapping at people for making a suggestion (see the link I provided above) or leaving curt edit summaries like "Fail," or "So not a valid source" or "Not even remotely trivia," especially when there's no apology either. It's bad enough to snap at someone out of misplaced anger, it's something else to not even apologize for doing so.  And again, this has been going on for quite a while, so I'm not sure I even really believe your reasoning to begin with unless there was a conflict I somehow missed in the year-plus that I've been a frequent visitor to this wiki (and the 2.5 years that I've been a member).  TheUnknown285 (talk) 10:02, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well thanks. Your "I'm not sure I even really believe your reasoning to begin with" is greatly appreciated. As for a conflict, you mean like that time we dealt with a vandal for a month+ who alternated between flooding this wiki with porn while impersonating Lancer and going to other wikis to vandalize them while impersonating Lancer? That was over a year ago. Not sure how over, but over. Ever since that whole episode, in which people ignorant of the facts came to this wiki from other sites for the explicit purpose of bashing Lancer (who was, at the time, also dealing with the vandal impersonating him), Lancer has been a bit jaded. Understandably so, IMO. And for the record, while "fail" does seem uncalled for, "so not a valid source" and "not even remotely trivia" seem like valid edit summaries. (I'd leave the "so" off of the first one, personally.) I mean, they are literally short summations of why the edit was undone. SpartHawg948 (talk) 10:13, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and thanks, Gardho. As I said, it was a request. You could have told me to shove off. The fact that you didn't is just plain awesome. SpartHawg948 (talk) 09:15, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Is that last point genuine or sarcasm? Because it sounds like the latter when I am trying to be amicable. I understand the community minority you are talking about aren't helping - I have seen this in action and I know who are causing problems, whether they are right or wrong. The fact is some valid points are being raised by both sides, but attitudes like Lancer's muddy the waters. I'm glad he's stepping back. Its a shame but I do think he needs it. Tell him I wish him well.Garhdo (talk) 09:20, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Which last point? Everything in my message was genuine. The last point (as I see it) was me thanking you. That was 100% genuine. So too was my comment to TheUnknown285. People, for example, creating blogs for the sole purpose of insulting the admins in infantile ways certainly are doing nothing to help. I understand it's a minority, but just as the admins as a whole are being tarred, per TheUnknown285's comment, being continually insulted by members of the community can cause even the most patient admins to become extremely frustrated, resulting in interactions with other members of the community that are, at best, curt, and at worst, rude and abrasive. SpartHawg948 (talk) 09:26, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * OK then thank you. I know I haven't taken a huge role on this wiki previously but I would like to help resolve the current issues in any way I can.Garhdo (talk) 09:36, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Which, btw, is greatly appreciated. One of the things I've been complaining about from day one is that the folks opposed to the chat policy changes haven't been putting up viable alternatives other than "do your job better" (which is pretty much literally what some have said). If we're going to get anywhere here, alternatives are needed, as are people willing to actively engage in discussion on the topic. As for not having had a huge role previously, there's nothing wrong with that. A fresh perspective can often be beneficial to discussions like this. SpartHawg948 (talk) 09:51, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

The priiiiize...
Alright, I'll tell you what you get from beating Vega's pull-up record:

A compliment from James.

183 pull-ups and all you get is a lousy compliment. XD LilyheartsLiara (talk) 18:53, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

HAHAHAHA! I am laughing so hard! You built that up so perfectly Lily - Kudos! Garhdo (talk) 00:13, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Language Policy
Note that we do in fact have a Language Policy here. We have zero tolerance for inappropriate or crude language. Any further violations of this policy will lead to a ban. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:19, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

I know about the policy. Sorry where was my breach? Garhdo (talk) 22:02, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind think I found it and it has been corrected.Garhdo (talk) 00:14, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Chat Mod
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 * Wow, I am honoured! Thank you very much. I hope I live up to the task. Garhdo (talk) 00:44, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

ME: Citadel content
I would advise you to check this link before you undo the stuff on Garrus: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Tali%27Zorah_nar_Rayya?diff=392047&oldid=391869.Typhoonstorm95 (talk) 01:57, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

I just left a message on your talk page, but i'll look at that as well. Garhdo (talk) 01:54, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Guy who missed the Point!
thats you! no humor no nothing, jerk --Charles Saracino 06:03, March 9, 2013 (UTC)