User talk:Lancer1289

Welcome to My Talk Page. If you don't find an issue that you have brought up with me in the past, then please check my archives because I have moved a lot of it to there. However I ask you to NOT edit there, just drop me a new message to bring up the discussion again. To leave me a message, please click on the "Leave message" button above, rather than just editing the whole page. That way I know what to look for. Thanks.

Please do leave me a new message unless there is a conversation that is already in progress that you wish to comment on. If you have a question that has no bearing on a conversation that is under a heading, then please don't edit there. Just leave me a new message. For example, if you see a section called Help, but your question doesn't relate to what the conversation was about, then PLEASE don't edit in that section, just leave me a new message. The comments will be moved to the end and I'll create a new section for it.

Mass Effect Wiki Twitter
Hi Lancer! I am the one responsible for adding the twitter feed to the main page after discussing it with SpartHawg who gave me the green light. What we are hoping for is to have a Mass Effect Wiki twitter feed that is run by both Wikia and the wiki itself. If you are interested, I can give you and the other admins the information to help run it! Also, with your permission, I was hoping to have it on the main page to help promote it. Let me know your thoughts! Bob (profile)•(talk)•(email) 17:33, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see that he did say it was ok, and I have since put it back on the page. However, I currently can't do anything about it in the near future as I have a lot of work. I actually don't even have a twitter account and personally don't like Twitter for a number of reasons. Commdor, Jake, or Spart probably would be better. I could really care less about it. It's there, it's there, it's not, it's not. I may do something later, but not now. Lancer1289 17:39, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's fine. Thanks for letting me put up the widget on the main page though! Bob (profile)•(talk)•(email) 17:45, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #1
Can you edit my page Batarian Victim because somebody put it up for deletion and I want it fixed. If you could do it, thank you.
 * I'm only two messages in, and about two hours after archiving my talk page and I already have someone who can't follow a simple request.
 * As to the point, I put it up for deletion, and I will not remove that tag because of the issues with it. If you think the article should stay, then argue it on the talk page. And FYI, that isn't your page, as soon as any mainspace article is created, it no longer belongs to that user, it is the property of the wiki. Lancer1289 18:20, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Trivia
Hey, I've read the MOS section on trivia, but in seeing you remove so much "trivia" I wanted to check with you before I add a piece I discovered for the Awakening mission on ME2. I put it on the talk page there, but no one has replied.

When you're questioning Miranda at the end of this mission, one of her responses is, "This is the only shuttle off the station. If you want to stay here and rot with the mechs, be my guest." However, before you open the final door, if you look over the railing of the landing outside (look on the opposite side from where you initially enter the area) there are three more shuttles parked below. --Martolives 18:29, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, for all we know, those shuttles have been disabled. I really wouldn't classify that as trivia. Lancer1289 18:39, March 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Just something I noticed on my last run through. Still getting a grasp on some of this Wiki's policies, so bare with me when I make a mistake or two, if you will :p

Cheers. Martolives 18:42, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #2
Hi Lancer, I'm aware that the Rewards sections I've been adding don't fit into the MoS. If I wanted to compile a list of what the player can receive from the mission where should it go? Perhaps as a subsection in the Walkthrough? --Ngene 23:59, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * It is now so blatantly obvious that no one can follow simple directions anymore, even when said directions are in plain, and simple English. I specifically state at the top of my talk page directions for contacting me, but I do not see what is so hard about following them. I have only five messages since last archive earlier today and already three people can't follow directions.
 * As to the point, even with the current standard, that isn't an opinion. No walkthrough has anything even resembling that, and to allow it now is really not an option. Things like are to be integrated into the walkthrough, not listed out and duplicated. That is so redundant. Not to mention it looks horrible. Lancer1289 02:18, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, what? I just clicked 'leave message'. Sorry if I got anything wrong, I'm new to Wikia editing.

Anyway I just wanted to make a list of what's in the mission so players won't miss out on mods, weapons, etc. Is something like the item list at the top of Priority: Sur'kesh acceptable?--Ngene 02:30, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * And considering I just removed it, along with a duplicated section, no. Again those things are to be integerated into the walkthrough, not in a list format. This wasn't done for ME, it wasn't done for ME2, and it will not be done for ME3. Lancer1289 02:35, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, got that.--Ngene 02:46, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #3
Hi,

I just want top discuss with you the edit I made and the later removal by another person claiming what I put was wrong.

The edit I did of the rank structure was based on things I've seen in Mass Effect 3 and the real life military structure.

The things I'm talking about are how Doctor Chakwas holds the rank of Major which in the real structure is below the rank of Commander yet is shown on the page as equal to a Captain.

The reason I noticed this error is cause while she knows Sheppard personally, she speaks to him as though he is like in the real structure, her superior.

Another person who similarly speaks to Sheppard as though he is his superior is the Captain you meet in the C-Sec office on the Persiduim who after stopping him, looks down at the floor in the same way a child of a subordinate would after being told off.

Lastly you have Kaiden who if you saved him instead of Ashley is now a Major (which is equal to a Lieutenant Commander) will like Ashley does after you recruit her, salutes Sheppard which further goes to show the rank structure as it current listed is wrong.

There is also no indication that the Systems Alliance is any different from Starfleet in Star Trek which uses standard military rank structure, plus the Mass Effect universe is only 150+ years ahead of where we are now so even if we did end up meeting other intelligent races in the galaxy, unite into world government and start exploring the stars, we would change the military rank structure to the point where a Marine Major and a Naval Captain are equal ranks.

So I ask you this, do you believe as I do that the creator of Mass Effect used the standard military structure as used by all militaries around, or do you think they actually spent time thinking up a whole new one which bares no resemblance to what we currently use?

I await your response on this.
 * It is now so blatantly obvious that no one can follow simple directions anymore, even when said directions are in plain, and simple English. I specifically state at the top of my talk page directions for contacting me, but I do not see what is so hard about following them. I have only five messages since last archive earlier today and already three people can't follow directions.
 * The problem is that you edited the Codex, which is verbatim from the game. If it isn't in the Codex form the game, then it isn't listed here. It is plain and simple. Not to mention that your "observations" about this are irrelevant. What matters is that is what we have to go on and since we haven't had anything else to contradict that, then we have to go with what we have.
 * As to the question, I really don't want to voice my opinion because things like that have a very bad habit of getting out of control. If you want to discuss that, please take it to a forum or a blog post.
 * And it's "Shepard" not "Sheppard". Lancer1289 02:18, March 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * You really should sign your messages. You do this by adding four tilde marks at the end. You also shouldn't alter Codex pages, as they are directly from the game's text. The main Codex page says: "Please note: These entries are quoted verbatim from the game and should be kept pristine. Edits and updates should be placed on non-Codex pages relating to the same subject (e.g. don't update the Mako's Codex entry, update the Mako article instead.)"


 * The Codex page is what developers of Mass Effect intended, so yes, the rank structures differs from the standard US or Western rank structure. The ranks of Operation Chief or Staff Commander should have tipped you off to that. Mass Effect places fast and loose with chain of command, as seen in Mass Effect 3 by turian generals saluting Garrus. BTW, Shepard is a Lieutenant Commander, not a Staff Commander. Seburo 02:26, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Spoiler template violates guidelines
The spoiler template for Mass Effect Invasion Violates community guidelines on profanity in articles.--BrewCrew4Life21 04:09, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * And that is a quote, and therefore doesn't violate policy. Now please remove the tag from my page as it puts a category on my talk page and that is a violation of site policy. If it isn't removed, then I will do it myself. Lancer1289 04:11, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Arguements
is there a dedicated page where I can find all the arguments that take place between people in ME3. IE: Joker bugging Liara over her "hair tentacles"
 * No. And I do not see a need for one. Lancer1289 15:01, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #4
Forgive me for getting lost in all the pages here, I have searched through and am not finding the simple answer I am looking for. I have never edited or written anything on Wikia before, but added a bit of information for the first time that I noticed missing. It was a simple paragraph and a list of clusters, but for some reason the separation isn't coming out how I originally typed it in. If you could be so kind as to inform me on how to format the simple paragraph I would appreciate it. I am sorry for the trivial request while you are so busy with other things, but I cannot find the answer through the resources provided on my welcoming message. Thank you
 * It appears to have been squared away. In the future, note that just hitting the return carriage button will not provide a line break. You need a full empty line to get separate paragraphs. Lancer1289 15:01, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Character infobox images
So The Illusive Man keeps reverting to the previous infobox images for Kai Leng and Javik saying that the ones I took with flycam aren't standard for the infoboxes. Can't find such paragraph in the MoS, but that's beside the point. The images he reverts too have the characters both tinted by the environment and/or not showing a good closeup of their head/shoulders. I'd like your opinion on the matter instead of going on an edit war spree. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  18:09, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, this was something I thought about asking Lancer about too, so I was probably a bit too hasty in reverting your edits, my apologies. The main reason I reverted them is the character infobox images thus far have been taken from cinematics and conversations, thus look more livelier and not as dull and flat as opposed to one wearing an empty expression in flycam? Those types of screenshots work for the adversary infoboxes but I'm not a fan of their use here. I do not agree with your "tinted" argument because one could say the same for Kaidan, Ashley, and Jack. It isn't that I dislike your images, I just feel that the main character image should have more than a blank, empty expression. Lancer may disagree with my evaluation, of course. The Illusive Man 18:19, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd have no problem with getting a cinematic shot, if there was a way of using flycam in there, prefferably coupled with playersonly freezing, as it makess for good positioning.--Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  18:26, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * While I am hesitant to make some kind of ruling, it seems that the situation is beyond that. After looking at a number of shots, I honestly can't tell what images are what. However, I would have to say that we should go with the better image. I'd strongly favor the new Javik one over the old one as it shows up better, and is in much better lighting. Overall, I'd say just go with what renders better in terms of size, focus, lighting, elements, etc. Lancer1289 18:37, March 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * If that is feasible? I'm not sure. It has been my experience that the cinematic screenshots can be burdened by timing if taken normally. The Illusive Man 18:40, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Again, I would just have to say that going with which renders better in general, or specific terms, is probably the best way to go. Javik's could definitely use some kind of improvement and while Kai's isn't as big of an issue, the other image had things going for it as well, yet so does the current image. I'd say that one is more personal taste than anything.
 * If we need to get more specific on this issue, then I don't have a problem with that, but for now, just go on what renders better. Again, I don't take images, and in fact, I don't own ME3 for PC, I do have ME and ME2, and I'm still very...um...unsuccessful with images to say the least. Lancer1289 18:46, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Kainzorus Prime is acquiring images through this method, navigating the camera to an idle character and taking a screenshot, rather like at the 0:26 mark on the video. It is my opinion that the shots are a little on the stale side for the character infobox but work wondrously for taking screenshots of enemies. There is no rules on how the images are acquired, of course, but there is a bit of a precedent. The Illusive Man 19:20, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * True, however pulling them from YouTube vidoes usually don't end up well. Lancer1289 19:25, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * What TIM meant is using the same method as shown in the YouTube video, Kai can take a screenshot from anywhere. Anyway, I have to agree with Lancer. Whichever is the best picture, however the method is obtained, should be used. I believe there's some pictures in this wiki (probably walkthroughs) here are taken in this method. — Teugene (Talk) 21:31, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right, Garrus: Eye for an Eye is a good example of this. I do want to reiterate that my qualm is not with the nature of how these images are being taken, just that the image of the character infobox be more personable and animated than the use of the flycam outside of cinematics and conversations can grant. I'll defer judgment on the matter to others. The Illusive Man 22:24, March 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know. I was saying that pulling images from YouTube videos never turns out well. Lancer1289 21:59, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Baria Frontiers split
Not sure if you remember, but back in January you proposed splitting part of the Baria Frontiers article off into a shop page. Somehow we all forgot about the split. I've tallied the votes and you've got the okay to carry it out now. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:44, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw that and it jogged a few memories. A lot of things happened right in that time frame, and I probably forgot about it. I'll take care of it now. Lancer1289 18:48, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Delete images
Lance, could you please do me a favour and delete these images?


 * 1) ME3Enemy_Container-A.png
 * 2) ME3Enemy_Container-B.png
 * 3) ME3Enemy_Container-H.png
 * 4) ME3Enemy_Container-S.png

Thanks a bunch! — Teugene (Talk) 22:47, March 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I got it, Lancer. -- Commdor (Talk) 22:53, March 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks a bunch! — Teugene (Talk) 22:55, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #5
Regarding Tali'zorah datapad dialog.

Should I add a note to the end of the page with a link, much like unique dialog?
 * Is anyone capable of following directions anymore? I ask people to follow a simple set of directions and that seems to be impossible to follow. This section has nothing to do with the one above, so why, in direct opposition to my directions, does someone edit there. Perhaps I should start removing messages where people can't follow directions.
 * As to the point, it doesn't belong anywhere as it is already being covered in the Mail (Mass Effect: Datapad) article. Lancer1289 14:17, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Unnecessary Title #1
Hey, that piece I added about Javik, it's true, but if it's not trivia, what is it? Where should I put it? --Martolives 14:00, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why can't people follow directions? I specifically ask people if a section is entitled something, yet if what is being asked doesn't have anything to do with what is already in that section, then don't edit there. Make a new section for a separate conversation and a separate topic.
 * As to the point, if anything, it belongs on the UD page, and even that is questionable. Lancer1289 14:17, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I though I had added that Javik thing here, so to answer your first question, that was a mistake. Mistakes happen. Chill. I usually do try to follow "directions", but everyone makes mistakes, and I don't think chiding them for it will be very helpful.


 * As for UD, it's not dialogue, it's still trivia. The fact that he doesn't show up in engineering at all if you find the hamster straight away may imply he makes the trip to grab a player's attention to that area of the ship - I left out that little piece of speculation as according to site policies, which I just went through regarding trivia again - it does not explicitly forbid this little tidbit. In fact, "Trivia is classified as information players may not have been aware of and is impactful or interesting. Ideally trivia sections should be no more than half a dozen snippets of information, not more than a line or so long."


 * End of the day, I don't care if it's there or not, whether it's on Javik's page or UD, but it's trivia. And it's harmless. --Martolives 14:32, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Except it isn't trivia because that has nothing to do. Wouldn't anyone explore a new ship that they've never been on before? It isn't trivia and even the UD page is questionable. Lancer1289 14:49, March 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Whatever. I thought you might like to know that the above reply that I made that started with "Ok, I though I had added that Javik thing here..."


 * To add that post, I clicked on the "edit" button beside the post titled "RE:Trivia" to add it to that section - for some reason, it added it down here. Don't know why. That's where I tried to add my initial post, btw. So it wasn't my mistake, there's either something wrong with the Wiki, or your talk page... I dunno.

You know what, I just looked at your edit history cuz I was curious about why my posts were showing up down here instead of the relevant section I was posting in, and all I have to say is, I followed directions just fine, thank you very much. I posted in a section I had set up myself, "RE: Trivia," which my TRIVIA-RELATED inquiry was DIRECTLY related to, and you moved it, and made me look like a moron for being incapable of following "direction", which I did PRECISELY. Would you prefer I posted a whole new section entitled "RE: More Trivia?" I added my query EXACTLY where I intended, and EXACTLY where it was relevant. It was a section I fully intended to use for further trivia inquiries, considering it is a subject I find rather ambiguous, since you actually have very vague guidelines on what is and isn't trivia except for a few specific points.

I want to be able to contribute here, Lancer, and I believe I've already been of some service in combating vandals, although I understand I've made a few mistakes here and there, but being relatively new to this particular arena, I would expect that people would understand. But if you can't figure out what's going on on your own talk page, why should I bother?

Please clarify your directions, Lancer. A section entitled "RE: Trivia", especially one I put up myself, seems like a perfect place for me to continue my trivia inquiries. --Martolives 15:14, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Except that this question had nothing to do with the previous question. The previous question was asking about something in a completely different game. This question was asking about something recent, and in ME3. The two are only connected by the fact that they were "trivia" and that is it. I actually state this at the top. "If you have a question that has no bearing on a conversation that is under a heading, then please don't edit there. Just leave me a new message. For example, if you see a section called Help, but your question doesn't relate to what the conversation was about, then PLEASE don't edit in that section, just leave me a new message. The comments will be moved to the end and I'll create a new section for it." It doesn't matter who created it, or anything else. If the conversation doesn't relate to the one already in there, then don't edit there. Leave me a new message. I don't care if there are 15 headers saying trivia. This has no relevance, no bearing, no nothing to that conversation because it doesn't relate to it. This allows me to keep my talk page organized, and keep all conversations about specific topics under one heading for ease of navigation, ease of reading, and ease of finding information. Lancer1289 15:23, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Delete this?
Could you delete that image? I was able to figure out around what I thought I was going to need it for, and don't need it now, so no reason to have it on the wiki, getting in the way so to speak.
 * Done. Lancer1289 20:15, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Much Appreciated.--Xaero Dumort 23:35, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Arrival
My edit to Arrival in regards to the autosave was not incorrect. It has happened to me with everyone of my characters and it has happened to all of my friends I have talked to. Don't just assume it is incorrect unless you can back it up.--- BrewCrew4Life21
 * So what The fact it doesn't happen to me say different, or are we only using your game experience and ignoring everyone else's if it happens to be different? Lancer1289 23:21, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Ti0nEz--8    Skip to 7:40 and watch the loading screen and further gameplay and you will see no save logo--- BrewCrew4Life21
 * and another instance at 4:10  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4nQMT0rHgg&feature=relmfu   BrewCrew4Life21
 * and once more at 9:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czta0plUfTo&feature=relmfu  --BrewCrew4Life21 23:34, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict x4) If you are not even going to give me a chance to respond, then I will cease responding. It is common courtesy to give someone a chance to respond, and not spam them with messages.

And what I see is not what is experienced, and I'm also seeing a lack of a save icon at locations I know it occurs. I think that the video, now videos have the autosave function disabled, and therefore I'm not willing to call this evidence. Again, do we ignore what happens to me or only what happens to you. Every time I have seen this played, there is an autosave right before the conversation with Hackett. I've even had my console freeze during that conversation and not had to repeat the fight. Lancer1289 23:36, March 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * The evidence I have provided is irrefutable, there is NO autosave after the conversation with Hackett. So far you have provided no evidence aside from your questionable word that says what I have stated is incorrect.  Just because you are an admin doesn't mean your right about everything you like to think you are and that we are supposed to take your word on it.  I have evidence, you don't.  And I apologize for spamming, that was immature.--BrewCrew4Life21 23:43, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * And you have yet to address everything in my comment. There are save points which I know exist that I didn't see in any of those videos. Therefore, a logical conclusion is that they have that feature turned off. Not everyone leaves it on you know. And FYI, there are plenty of times that I've been wrong. Lancer1289 00:00, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then explain why it happens to me and my friends who never have autosave off. It happens to me every time I go through and replay it.  And I know you have been wrong, it just seems like you expect us to take your word for things--BrewCrew4Life21 00:05, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * And then explain why all of my friends have an autosave just before the conversation with Hackett? And don't tell me something, when you want to do the same thing. There are clear instances where an autosave should have happened, yet they didn't. Lancer1289 00:08, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Can we compromise? Your happy and I'm happy?  Can we agree to put this on the page:  "In some cases the autosave function does not work and will cause you to repeat the final battle and conversation with Hackett.  This can also lead to alternate dialogue in Mass Effect 3 which implies you never played Arrival."--BrewCrew4Life21 00:22, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess I can live with that. Lancer1289 00:43, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done! :D  --BrewCrew4Life21 00:47, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Cheevo Archive Wiki Afiliation Request
Hi Lancer1289,

I am here on behalf of the Cheevo Archive Wiki in order to make a request of the ME Wiki.

Firstly, I guess I should give you a rundown on exactly what Cheevo Archive Wiki is. Well basically it is a wiki that was made in order to provide easily accessible guides and to Video Game (such as Mass Effect) achievements/trophies. The wiki was formed on February 28th 2012 and so far is going pretty well. We were approved of Wiki Spotlight on the 22nd of March and are now working on getting some partnerships going with other affiliated Video Gaming wiki's such as this one.

So now the big question, would the ME Wiki be interested in forming some kind of affiliation/partnership? We would add a link to the ME wiki on our main page and add the ME Wiki to our list of Affiliated Wikis. We believe the partnership could be mutually beneficial.

I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this request.

Thanks

.50CalAssassin - Talk To Me Fellow Editors! 23:50, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Spart has already given you an answer to this question on his talk page. Lancer1289 14:57, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Dr. Brynn Cole - Edits
Hello! I'm pretty new and trying to figure out some edits to the Dr. Brynn Cole page. I had added a citation where it was noted one was needed, and both my citation and the reference to the voice actor were both removed as being an invalid source. I can't find anything about what would be a valid source, and I've seen IMDB referenced on other wikis - is it not acceptable here? If not, could you give me some examples of what would be valid? Given that the actors for individual smaller parts aren't given in the credits for the game, I'm not sure where else to reference the information. I had a trivia note removed previously for not being confirmed, but the trivia note giving further information about the voice actress (who is no longer noted on the page) is still there. Any clarification you can give would be greatly appreciated, as I'd like to improve what I'm adding. Thanks! Cyberwench 20:08, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * We have never, nor will we ever, accept IMDb by itself as a valid source. We need a much more reliable, valid, and inddependely verifiable source before we allow voice actor/actress information that isn't listed in the credits. I will remove the trivia since it was missed. Lancer1289 20:19, April 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Could you give me an example of a valid source for this information? It seems like there wouldn't be any other possible source for voice actors listed in the "additional voices" section of the credits. Voice actors are one thing that I specifically come here to find, so I'm wondering what the best way would be to make sure they are listed correctly.Cyberwench 20:23, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Some reliable gaming websites, Gameinformer, Offical Xbox/PlayStation Magazine, BSN, BioWare's own website. Basically any site that has a reputation for being truthful, reliable, and that isn't a blog or forum site. We never take those. Lancer1289 04:26, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

I have been taken to your leader!
Hey there,

I'm quite unsure as how to word this, so I figure I'll just bluntly make my point. My name is Adam, and I'm an HTML5, CSS, PHP, and JS coder and head of 2 wikis, and adopter of 1, founder of 1, editor on 11. I'm also a big fan of the Mass Effect universe, and reading through your userpage, you and I have a lot of the same interests and opinions, so I figure you (seeming to be the leader of MEWiki) should be the person for me to talk to about this. I'd like to at least make you aware that my specialty is web graphic design, mostly with HTML5 and WMP/MW coding, and that I'm more than willing to help tackle any tasks you might want help with, not to mention I've got access to some neat coding toys that aid with the Wiki, (like UTC clocks and adding contributions to your user menu, customizing userpage rights buttons, etc.) and I would be greatly interested in helping out here, as well as helping work with minor page edits and things. I like big projects (if you can't tell), and I'm at your disposal, if you wish, as an editing VI for ya. So, hit me up if you've got anything you want to sic me on. Adam -Commander
 * While I have already left a message about templates, we don't have objections to things like that, they just require discussion first. Multiple times people have done things and no one has shown interest or they have been removed entirely. Lancer1289 18:39, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

new images
i have uploaded new improved versions of my old images please take a look and tell me what you think --MSV Estevanico 16:17, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Aria: Blue Suns
The quest Aria: Blue Suns does not appear in the search box; typing in Aria: Blue S results in only Aria: Blue Sins, a deleted page. Just wanted to bring your attention to this. --Go Bruins!/Go Red Sox!/Go Pats! 16:50, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * And there isn't anything we can do about that. That is a problem with Wikia, again. Anything related to things like that are almost always a problem with Wikia. Lancer1289 16:57, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah well sorry to bother you. It isn't anything more than slightly annoying; mostly when you type "Aria: Blue Suns" and it autocorrects you to "Aria: Blue Sins". One thing you might be able to do is create a redirect on Blue Sins to Blue Suns. --Go Bruins!/Go Red Sox!/Go Pats! 17:07, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * It is more than likely a caching issue that will go away in time. Therefore, all we end up with is a useless redirect. If it persists, then it may be necessary, but for now, not really. Considering I just tried it and I went to the correct article. Also, please remove the red link. Lancer1289 17:09, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Red link removed. --Go Bruins!/Go Red Sox!/Go Pats! 02:50, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the Resurgence Pack Source
Regarding the Resurgence Pack source:

As I stated, if you decided to actually read the summary I put: The info is on the gameinformer page, which is already there at the end of the paragraph, I deemed it not necessary to put it there, since it was already there. So there. I also put the EXACT writing. Here: The pack is available to download on April 10 on Xbox Live, Origin, and PlayStation Network in North America. '''Its available on PlayStation Network in Europe on April 11. ''' Thank you for your time.

Spammer
Hi Lancer. I just thought I'd let you know that User:Sandros12 appears to be a spambot. He/She/They/It has posted a blog post and a link in an article linking to some fishy health insurance site.--WouldYouKindly 15:30, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #6
Hermia glitch

So did the glitch I mentioned not count for anything? Just wondering since it was taken down pretty fast. --XavierGTR 21:38, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because it is unconfirmed. Having done this myself several times, I never seen it happen. Lancer1289 22:47, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Piercing/Shredder Mods
This kind of content belongs elsewhere - pray tell, where? I'm serious, that's rather important information when picking mods, isn't explained anywhere ingame, and one would expect it to find it on the mods' page. - von Boomslang 23:45, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * More than likely the Combat (Mass Effect 3) page or a similar page. The Weapon Mods page is for noting the specifics of the mod and any bugs directly associated with that particular mod. Not for noting things like that. Lancer1289 03:07, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

My Feros: Geth Attack edits
On the Feros: Geth Attack page I added the warning to the start as an actual warning to tell the player to have those specific requirements BEFORE starting the actual mission. I understand that it is labeled farther in the article itself, but by that point the player will not be able to go back and fix the problem before it happens. I am trying to save the player from having to replay hours of gameplay by putting the warning at the start. This is taken from personal experience as I am playing through Mass Effect again for fun, and I had to redo a little over two hours of gameplay because I had forgotten that this was required (as it is NOT mentioned at the start of the mission article) but I had a save file before so my case was easily fixable. Thanks for listening! Daniel7400 19:36, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * And no other article does that as it is both redundant and unnecessary. Lancer1289 19:43, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * As a wiki that is dedicated helping players and displaying accurate information, I feel that it makes sense to place that warning at the start to inform the player what they are getting into before they begin the mission. I understand that you might think that it is "both redundant and unnecessary" but the purpose of redundancy is the duplication of critical components or functions of a system (article in this case) with the intention of increasing reliability (how reliable is something if it makes you restart the mission because of the lack of warning) of the system, usually in the case of a backup or fail-safe (the warning will serve as the initial point, and is shown again when it is that point) as stated from Redundancy (engineering). Think of this warning at the start of the mission article as a form of an "Early-Warning System" to avoid replaying this part over because of not knowing what was coming ahead. Daniel7400 21:00, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Except we have no need for duplicated information, especially in the same article and especially when it is noted elsewhere as well. I also find the link to be an insult as you assume I have no idea what redundant means. Lancer1289 21:04, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why you would be insulted about something that happened in a conversation over the internet... As my intentions were not to insult but to use the word you used against me and repurpose it for my own argument. If I were to insult you I would have clearly stated it. As I look through what I said, I can see that I did not say that in any way, and that is because I meant no disrespect to you and only posted the link to have a backing to my point (so you would not assume that I was just making stuff up.) It is obvious to me though that you have a pre-decided opinion on this and nothing I will say or do will change that, sorry if you can't understand my intentions which were only to warn players what they were getting in to before they realized they have to redo twoish hours of gameplay. Daniel7400 21:31, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * And now I feel more insulted. You think just because it is the internet that anything said is not offensive and that no one can take offense to what you say or do? Wow, I really have no words to describe that. Lancer1289 23:52, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * -.- You take everything I say out of context and make it offensive... What I meant was that this should not be such a big deal; I have not once tried to offend you. I probably could have done a better job so that they could not have been seen as offensive, but let me assure you that I have not once intentionally tried to insult you. So let’s cut this conversation here because you don't agree with my point and so that I do not "insult" you again. I apologize if I hurt you feelings. Daniel7400 00:03, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Menae Template
Menae should have it's own moon info template. In game all stats are listed as "CLASSIFIED" and you can't do that with the curresnt template.--BrewCrew4Life21
 * Or you can be completely rude and ignore me --BrewCrew4Life21 22:21, April 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cut Lancer some slack. He gets more posts on his talk page than just about anyone else around here, and it's easy for some topics to get lost behind others that are posted later. The "New Messages" pop-up doesn't tell us how many new messages we actually have. -- Commdor (Talk) 22:27, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well then what do you think Commdor?--BrewCrew4Life21 22:31, April 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm looking into a few possible solutions. -- Commdor (Talk) 22:34, April 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Awesome! Thank You!--BrewCrew4Life21 23:06, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #7
User:Nohead13 has been editing the article Illium:_Liara:_The_Observer with some nasty commentary. Edited out two comments so far - these comments are being made in the article itself, under the mission summery section.
 * I have seen to the matter. Lancer1289 14:51, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Datapad edits
Hi, I saw that you'd removed the images I added to the Datapad section.

I'm sorry if I boobed somehow, but I followed the simple 'add photo' process in edit. Can you let me know what I did wrong?

If there's a better way to add visual information, I'd be keen to know that too. VEry new and just wanted to help.

Thanks

S. --Silesti 15:20, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Hey
Just thought you might like to know that in one fell swoop TheEliteBrit has not only violated language policy but they did so to a sever degree while they edited -S- User page as well as are editing warring over that stupid Marauder Shields thing.--Xaero Dumort 17:09, April 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Took care of it. He's a repeat offender. -- Commdor (Talk) 17:34, April 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks Commdor. Just realized I forgot to leave a message on your page.--Xaero Dumort 17:37, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I was sitting in math class learning about vectors and the law of cosins. I remember this guy, and apparently some people can't learn. It's sad really. Lancer1289 18:17, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Time
What time zone is used here on the Wiki? It is only 9:31 where I live (central time), but when I post it says it is hours ahead.--BrewCrew4Life21 02:33, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be UTC (also known as GMT: Greenwich Mean Time). Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 02:34, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks--BrewCrew4Life21 02:39, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Our unfinished discussion
I'm not surprised you withdrew again and I don't care if that's because you don't care anymore, don't have the time or just realized you were wrong. I don't take it lightly that you just come over with the self-righteous attitude of yours threatening to ban me because of rules that only exist in your head. I've contaced Wikia support about the maintenance edit I made (and yes, it was nothing more) and that's what they answered: ''Thanks for contacting Wikia. If it's the same picture but of higher quality, I'd say that's totally fine. There are some taboos when it comes to editing other people's user pages, since most people view them as their personal space, but in general maintenance-related edits are fine.'' --ShardofTruth 13:43, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * You know the reasons, I got sick of your rude, arrogant, hostile, bigoted, complete self-righteous attitude, and of trying to make you see reason, which you are clearly incapable of. I informed you of a site policy, which I even pointed out to you, yet you ignored it, threw everything back in my face, insulted me at every turn, and you continually think you are above the rules here on the site. The fact you went to Wikia is not only a further insult, but also tells me exactly who you think you are, someone who does think they are above the rules and regulations here, despite being informed of them at least three times. We do not allow other users to edit the user space of another user. That is site policy, yet you flat out refuse to see it for whatever reasons. This is not my problem it is yours. Until you realize this, I see nothing further to discuss. You violated site policy, refuse to see it, and that is what happened. Lancer1289 14:14, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I went to Wikia to ask about their opinion on userspace maintenance edits, not to blame you our drag this conversation out to light to some admins, which I didn't by the way.
 * You violated site policy
 * No, for the hundredth time no. There is no site policy that says that, only you. That's why I don't see reason and that's why your behaviour is indeed the hostile one. I did a maintenance edit, you came to me telling me this is a banable offense, which it isn't. I'm not above rules and regulations, you are, because you making this stuff up. That's not my problem but yours. I would have had no problem if you reverted the edit and told me (or not told me) "We don't usually do this stuff here, I will restore the missing images later." But no, you took the most agressive and offensive way possible, although you were in the wrong. That's your attitude, face it. --ShardofTruth 15:34, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * As stated previously, I have nothing further to say. You violated site policy, you were warned about it in the same way that everyone else is, and you refuse to accept that. Lancer1289 18:15, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Apologies if I'm interrupting, but I was going to quote the policy that mentions about editing other user pages but... all I've found was disallowing edits of other users' comments. There's no mention of disallowing edits of other user pages, not even under banning. I thought there was a policy about this but I can't find it myself. So, I know it's has been common practice since who knows when, but unless I'm unaware of another policy page somewhere, ShardofTruth has a point here. — Teugene (Talk) 19:40, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * He doesn't have a point, leg, or anything else to stand on because, even though I've quoted it, he doesn't listen, is incorrect, and now I find that I have to repeat what I've already said again. It is listed in the CG. "A user's page and Talk page belong to that user, and they have control over what goes on it." "A user's page" is any page inside their user space and "they have control over what goes on it" is saying that they are the only ones permitted to edit their user space. That said, even that only goes so far within the bounds of other site policies. Attacks against users, profanity, or illegal images are not permitted in any circumstance.
 * For the last and final time I again, have nothing further to say because I am done repeating myself on this issue. Lancer1289 19:48, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying. I supposed this is where it is mentioned which I read earlier and thought that could use some clarification, especially it comes under a slightly misleading title "User Talk pages". — Teugene (Talk) 19:57, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I was actually going to comment pointing to where site policy does state the each editor is the owner of their own user page and, as such, has editorial control over it, but Lancer already highlighted it. SpartHawg948 20:02, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Having read this discussion, perhaps it's time to make this stipulation of the policy much clearer and highlighted, so that any user can find it very easily. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 20:05, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Couldn't hurt, that's for sure. SpartHawg948 20:08, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds much better now. Not that I ever intend to edit other user page anyway :P — Teugene (Talk) 20:29, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

I'll tell you what ShardofTruth does have a point on, Lancer's attitude. Honestly Lancer, your a total dick. I'm sorry man but the way you treat and talk to people is just down right rude and disrespectful. You quote the rules about attacks against users but the way you treat users and insult them is an attack in and of itself. You jump down people's throats and if someone breaks a policy, even if they didn't know about it, and you threaten to ban them. You could say "Hey, just wanted to let you know that you broke a site policy. (Explain what they did).  It would be much appreciated if you read our Community Guidelines so your'e informed on how to help keep this wiki running the way we have tried so hard to do.  If you are ever unsure of what to do please ask me or any of our other admins.  We'd be happy to help!  Just please know that if you break site policy again we may have to ban you.  We aren't trying to be mean, we just have enforce the rules.  And if you ever need tips please read our Manual of Style.  Thanks"  But nope you just go "Do it again and your done." So if your such a stickler about upholding the rules, which appear to be your Holy Bible, then you need to ban yourself. Have a wonderful day (said with the utmost sarcasm). Yours truly --BrewCrew4Life21 21:36, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh man you just kicked the beehive. I agree sometime Lancer can come off as a bit hostile, but most of the time its when he is provoked by a user doing something, that is, to put frankly, stupid.This happens all the time. Also who are you to judge Lancer, you just attacked him and broke the language policy. Have a pleasant day.--Legionwrex 21:46, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't break the language policy. And I didn't attack him.  I told him the truth about what he's like.  It's not like I said anything vulgar to him.  I told him what he's doing wrong and how to fix it.--BrewCrew4Life21 21:54, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * You did actually, try third word from the end on your first line. JediSpectre117 21:59, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * "Dick" is by no means whatsoever a curse word. And if we're going to be a real stickler about the language policy than any quote with a curse word in it, in fact ANYTHING with a curse word in it, be it template or quote, needs to be changed.--BrewCrew4Life21 22:05, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

I think this problem is resolved now, but I'm still feeling like I should add two things: I never intended to took control away from SpartHawg's personal pages nor did I vandalise them. I edited the page in good faith to get the two missing images back on, nothing more. Even with the updated guidelines this could hardly be taken as an "extremely bannable offense", even a Wikia staff member herself said so. Lancer pulls out an agressive tone really fast, lecturing and admonishing wherever he can, even if he is cleary wrong about something. I'm only active again on this wiki since march but I've witnessed many examples of his plain rudeness. Maybe this is only my personal perception, but I don't like if someone talks to me like that time and time again, regardless if he has 20.000 or 90.000 edits. --ShardofTruth 22:27, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I couldn't agree more. I have proven him wrong in the past, I even provided evidence to prove I was right, but he blatantly disregarded it and expected me to take his word on the subject.  In the end he got his way.  He needs treat people with respect, not as an object he gets to control.--BrewCrew4Life21 22:36, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Its not a curse word? Really, do you honestly believe that.--Legionwrex 22:39, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Uhh yes I do. How is it a curse word? It's a slang word people use to describe someone they don't like.  It's not a curse word and if you think it is then you really shouldn't be play Mass Effect 2 because the words you will hear Jack say will set your ears on fire.--BrewCrew4Life21 22:44, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Menos Avot Trivia
Hello again, I do understand we did not get off on the best of cases but I apologize for it and I hope we can put it past us. I do indeed believe that what I put was considered trivia (going to quote the Mass Effect Wiki:Manual of Style as evidence, not as an insult! :c ) "Trivia is classified as information players may not have been aware of and is impactful or interesting." I would indeed say that what I added to the Menos Avot article would classify as "trivia" in the sense of how it is described in the Manual of Style. Thanks for listening and let me know what your side is! :) Daniel7400 23:24, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * It isn't trivia because female officers being addressed as "sir" really isn't that out of the ordinary. One of the biggest examples of this recently is Battlestar Galactica where all senior officers are addressed as sir. The practice isn't that uncommon. Lancer1289 23:41, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, that makes sense... Now that you put it that way I guess my thing doesn't really qualify as trivia after all. Thanks for the insight! Daniel7400 03:02, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Adding images without messing up the format?
So, after a few weeks here, I've decided to stop just posting on ending-argument blogs and get down to actually helping with the wiki. One of the things I wanted to do was add this image to either the Cerberus or Starships page - it's currently nowhere, and either page would be a good fit. However, I can't figure out how to add it neatly. As you can see, I'm not sure how to resize it, but besides that, I'm also not sure how to fit it in without messing up the page.

I don't want to cause any trouble here, so any help you have would be appreciated. Thanks.

--Zxjkl 06:44, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * First please remove the image, and just link it because it is huge and breaking up the formatting on the page. Just link the image at most, and please use the preview setting to see how it would look.
 * As to where it should go, I'm not entirely sure. It really doesn't fit into either article. Lancer1289 14:40, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I removed the image and just put in a link. As far as the pages go, I figured it could go next to the Alliance fighter on Starships, similar to how we have pictures of the turian and Alliance cruisers higher up on the page.

It should probably be added to the Starships category, anyway. For a wiki on a science fiction game, it sometimes seems like we have a shortage of images of spaceships. --Zxjkl 21:29, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not to sure about that because of the lack of space in the article already. It will more than likely end up causing formatting issues. Lancer1289 23:23, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I can see that, which is why I was asking. You may be right that it can't be added, and I'll probably just put in the Starships category instead. But for future reference, how do you resize images? I can't seem to find it in the Help.--Zxjkl 04:35, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

My Edit
Hi, the reason for my edit was that you dont need to be a spectre. This time I saw the Summary field, but when pressing return for a new line it got published right away...

--Virsacer 13:58, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ver well then. Lancer1289 14:40, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Sandbox
How do you access the sandbox? --Dragonzzilla 19:56, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Create a page with any name under your user page.
 * Example: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dragonzzilla/Sandbox


 * Then under the sandbox, you can create subpages under it.
 * Example: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dragonzzilla/Sandbox/TestPage, http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dragonzzilla/Sandbox/SomePage, etc.
 * — Teugene (Talk) 20:31, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * There is also the wiki's main sandbox. Mass Effect Wiki:Sandbox. Lancer1289 21:15, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I tested it. Could you check? --Dragonzzilla 18:52, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Check what exactly? I can't check anything without a link and what I'm supposed to be checking for. Lancer1289 18:55, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Click the first link you gave me; I'm lazy like that. --Dragonzzilla 19:04, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

War Assets and minimum EMS
I have given it some consideration, and perhaps you are right: the comment belongs on an article titled War Terminal (like the Intel Terminal). However, There is no reason to have such a page when it would essentially be a redirect to the War Assets page. It could alternatively redirect to the Galaxy at War page. I'm weighing the options at this point, but I do wonder at this point whether a separate War Terminal page is more apt or if information about the War Terminal should be integrated into another page. At this point, the only reference to the War Terminal is in the War Assets page (the page where I placed my edit about it). What do you think? Gamemako 04:22, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem with that is there would be massive overlap and that isn't an option. The GaW page porbably is the best for now, but it didn't belong there. And please remove the red link. Lancer1289 16:39, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Anyway, organization is a problem. Both additional sections on the War Assets page are not actually about war assets but rather about the GAW system and how it affects the endings to Mass Effect 3. Logically, we should merge all information regarding GAW that is not directly about war assets to the GAW page and leave only short info and a redirect the the GAW page in its place. However, with all that merging, the GAW page could quickly get out of hand. Not to mention all the issues with naming: you access the War Terminal to see your War Assets and their combined Total Military Strength as well as your Readiness Rating and Effective Military Strength, with GAW seemingly as a separate page; however, in the Coalesced, it's all referred to as GAW, and it is all directly controlled by GAW. I don't know that there is a good answer, but the current setup doesn't make much sense either. Gamemako 20:46, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually the current system makes a lot of sense as that is how we do things here. War Assets are distinct from the GaW system and deserve a seperate article. Lancer1289 20:57, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I was unclear. We currently discuss Readiness and ME3's outcome in the War Assets article. I do not believe that is correct in any sense. I agree that War Assets are distinct from the GAW at large, but they are still a part of that system. For an (admittedly-lazy) analogy, Combat (Mass Effect 3) is a part of Mass Effect 3, but it is not Mass Effect 3 and wouldn't be in the same article. There is a lot of information that feeds into GAW, and I am just wondering how best to organize the information. I believe that the current distribution of information is poor (e.g. the Readiness in the War Assets article) and should be revised. Gamemako 02:29, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well they are still relevant there, but perhaps they could be cut down. Readiness probably shouldn't be in that article as much as it is because while it is still relevant, it really belongs on the GaW page. Lancer1289 02:46, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have created a quick mockup for a GAW page redesign on my user page. Most of the excess info would be trimmed out of the War Assets page and appropriately labeled there on the GAW page. Let me know what you think. Gamemako 04:00, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #8
why did you delete the trivia about the crucible/tower of babel? its in-game, relevant, and interesting. Not subjective in any way.
 * Can no one read instructions anymore? Considering that this is the eighth time I'm doing this, I guess not. I specifically ask people to not do edit in sections that have no relevance to what they are asking.
 * As to the point, it is subjective because of the differences between the two. They were for different reasons and even Mordin's comparison is stretching it. Therefore, it isn't trivia. Lancer1289 16:43, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

New Editor's Question
Hi there. I'm probably not going to be a very active contributor at Wikia, I signed up so I could make minor edits. That being said, I didn't think I'd be a top 1500 of all time contributor at Wikipedia, so I really can't judge how I sink hundreds of hours of my time in advance (really, I must have no life at all).

I have a few 'settling in' style questions. Well one major one:

What's Wikia's or at the very least Mass Effect Wiki's policy on copyrighted images? You all are using an absolute ton of screenshots, something that wouldn't fly over on Wikipedia, and I'm not finding license tags on the images. Well, that's not entirely true... some of them have Template:Fairuse on them, and I spotted a claim of Public Domain on File:M490.jpg (which I must say, unless I'm missing something and Bioware gave a release, is incorrect).

Do you have some policy pages you could point me to? (If there's any need, I can clean out images and image license very easily, it's something I've got a ton of experience doing.)

Cheers, Sven Manguard 16:15, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * The main reason that License tags aren't found is because very few people even bother to add them, and even some of them are incorrect as you pointed out. We really have no official policy on that, but to date we have yet to get into trouble about them, and considering we know we have had BioWare devs on the site, including lead writer Mac Walters, I really don't see a problem with it. That said, Commdor seems to be the one to deal with images more than myself, and may be working on something to that end, I usually focus on article content and only rarely on pictures, so I'd recommend asking him before doing anything.
 * As to policy pages, the main ones are linked on your talk page in the welcome message, but Mass Effect Wiki:Manual of Style, Mass Effect Wiki:Community Guidelines, and anything in the Category:Mass Effect Wiki category. Be aware however that some of those pages have never been updated, or updated a long time ago. Lancer1289 17:11, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Prologue: Earth
Hi. Recently you reverted an edit of mine on the Prologue: Earth article, deeming it "Irrelevant". How is this fact that I posted to the article irrelevant? Numerous other trivia sections in this wiki contain references to things far more obscure or ambiguous, and even some pure speculation. I fail to see how something such the presence of real-world building does not merit mention, when Mira's supposed reference to Microsoft Office, Joker's references to The Hunt for Red October, or the references to (and appearances of) Big Ben, do. Please help me understand.

Thanks.

CamossDarkfly 16:15, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * And it is quite irrelevant because there is no reason to mention it. The Mira trivia is devconfirmed trivia, Joker's trivia is shove it in your face trivia, and the Big Ben thing is relevant to the character. Not to mention he says that and only appears in one article I might add. Each has more support than yours does, and just to say this, each trivia item is evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Your "trivia" is trivial, not trivia, and therefore not relevant. Lancer1289 17:06, April 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * In that case, why state that the 'save game files' indicate it takes place in Vancouver, but not a known Vancouver landmark? Or for that matter, why not just say that Anderson stated he got out of Vancouver?  Plus, the presence of Canada Place establishes that this is Vancouver, Canada, not Vancouver, Washington.  Finally, the role of Canada Place was mentioned by art director Derek Watts in an article in The Globe and Mail on March 6, 2012.  You can find it right here. CamossDarkfly 17:38, April 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree it's not irrelevant. They went out of their way to put a landmark in the game. Also the surviving character (Kaiden/Ashley) talk about English Bay (an area in Vancouver). Anyone who hasn't been to Vancouver, which I will guess is a large amount of the players, will not realize that Canada Place is an actual building. The book The Art of the Mass Effect Universe, on page 158 states "We knew we wanted a beautiful harbour setting and kicked around many ideas for the city, including Rio de Janeiro and Hong Kong. In the end we stayed closer to home, choosing Vancouver". --Interitus 18:13, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * And it was irrelevant until the article was presented. There is no reason to mention landmarks in trivia to say the same thing because they aren't relevant to the item itself. However, now that the article was presented, the trivia can be modified accordingly based on developer statements. Why none of this was presented when the edit were made is beyond me. If you don't add things without sourcing them, then you have zero right to complain when they get removed because they don't meet site standards. Lancer1289 18:26, April 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you Lancer1289. I did not mean to sound like I was complaining so I apologize if I came across as such.  I'm still fairly new to editing on a Wikia that has actual enforced standards, and am more than happy to learn.  If you don't mind, I can re-edit the article later (with the reference intact).CamossDarkfly 18:33, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I already did that. Further expansion shouldn't be required as the link is present and we don't need to bring up everything. Lancer1289 18:35, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Councilor Names
I have a question. I added the name of the Turian Councilor from ME1 to the Notable Turian page, why did you remove it? If it's simply because the Turian Councillor in ME3 can have a different name, then why not put both of them in? And yes, I know that if you click on the Turian/Asari/Salarian Councilor link it takes you to a page with all of their names, but I still think it would make more sense to refer to them with their actual names. Also, please note that when I added this via your "Leave a Message" button, it was added to the Priority: Earth discussion by default, and I had to edit it manually into a new section. As a new wiki editor, I have to ask, did I do something wrong when I submitted it, or is that simply an oversight with the "Leave a Message" button, that unless a title is given it automatically adds it to the previous discussion? Ataki Uchiha 15:58, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because of the fact they can change after ME, so therefore just saying Councilor is for the best. Lancer1289 18:52, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's fair enough. And do you have any ideas why I may have had that problem with the "Leave a Message" button?  Ataki Uchiha 19:52, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Apologies for missing that. I'm guessing you didn't leave a title in the "Subject/Headline" box in the upper right of the edit window. Lancer1289 19:54, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah. I completely missed that line in the window, so no, I didn't leave a title...  Thanks for telling me that, I'll be sure to remember next time.  Ataki Uchiha 20:15, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Banshee Edit
Regarding my Edit of Banshee Tactics. I've seen countless players be careless around a Banshee during wave 11s. Since there is a significant XP decrease in Full and Partial Extractions and the fact I've seen many players make this mistake I felt like this is information that is beneficial. Where do you suppose I include this information? I am a new editor so I'm just asking for my own edification. I'm not trying to dispute your removal of my edit.
 * And my question is how is that relevant or not pointing out the obvious? Things like that aren't notes and are not noted because of the fact they stare you in the face. Lancer1289 22:02, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Lancer, maybe you could consider creating a Multiplayer Guide page, where players can put all the little tips and tricks they've found for ME3 Multiplayer, sort of like a "Player Notes" page for Multiplayer. That way, people who want to know what others have found out could look there for tips, tactics and stuff, but you keep the main pages clear. Ataki Uchiha 23:45, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Things like that are noted as appropriate. However, pointing this out that are already noted, or are obvious, are not worth making a note out of. Lancer1289 00:05, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Question on creating an article about the ME3 weight system.
Hello,

Firstly, I hope this is the right place to ask this, I am a long-time reader of various Wikia (mostly for game series, including this Mass Effect one), however I have never contributed before. I apologize if this should be directed somewhere else.

While sifting through the ME3 Coalesced.bin I noticed several things pertaining to gun weight, or as it's called internally, "Encumbrance". After a couple hours of tinkering with various gun's encumbrance, the various class's encumbrance bonuses, and the power cooldown bonuses (or penalties) related to encumbrance, I feel I have a good understanding of how the system works.

I would like to create a page on encumbrance detailing the system. Including but not limited to: a list of all gun weights, how the cooldown bonus scales with encumbrance, and how much encumbrance each class can handle when speced for it.

My main question is about proof. I don't have solid evidence (in the form of a developer post or something of the sort) outside of the data within the coalesced file, which is probably a bit too complex for the average wikia user. How would I go about providing evidence for this page, or is it necessary at all?

I would be happy to provide a short summary here before beginning work on the page if you or someone else would like to verify with their own coalesced file.

Thank you, --Nikx 11:16, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * The thing is that we don't accept interpretation of game data as fact. This has been around for a while now. Not to mention there is absolutely no way for anyone to confirm what you come up with. We need backup for something like this. Lancer1289 18:58, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh OK. It would have saved me a lot of time if someone who had discovered these things before me were allowed to make a page on it. The exercise was fun nonetheless. Perhaps I'll make a post on the Bioware Social Network and/or /r/masseffect so at least it'll get out there and maybe help someone. Thank you for your time.--Nikx 22:44, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * It isn't that a page like that wouldn't have been welcome, it is just that it would need backup, and that is crucial to a page like that. We've been mislead by things like this before, and that is the reason we are so cautious. If you can find backup for it, in the form of a dev, then we can see, but again, it is at this point, mainly an interoperation of game data and original research. Lancer1289 22:48, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #9
Hi just wounding why you removed the (Ultra-Rare) thing on the Javelin page as it is a Ultra Rare Multiplayer weapon by BioWare mass effect 3's own Multiplayer Manifest I did have the info for it in the Player Notes but some1 moved it to the location that you removed so where is that info meant to go then??? --Cpt Kent James 21:55, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sigh, I guess no one can follow simple, plain English directions anymore. They this can't be followed is beyond me.
 * As to the point, relevance and redundancy is the main issue. We don't need something like that when it is noted in a link. Not to mention it looks sloppy, and crude at best. Lancer1289 21:59, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Adding CSS
Hey Lancer, could you add the following CSS to the global CSS to implement adjustments to the templates as listed in Forum:Update Milky Way Templates?

 /* Galaxy template styles */ .galaxy-details { width: 270px; color: #fff; line-height: 15px; padding: 1px; margin: 0 0 1em 1em; border: 1px solid #334 !important; background-color: #1e1e2e !important; } .galaxy-details th { background: #334; text-align: center; } .galaxy-details .col-header { padding: 6px 0 3px; } .galaxy-details .col-title, .galaxy-details .col-caption { font-size: 1em; text-align: center; font-weight: bold; padding: 4px 10px 6px; background-color: #334; } .galaxy-details .col-left { width: 125px; font-size: 0.9em; text-align: right; font-weight: bold; padding: 4px 10px 4px 0; background-color: #223 !important; } .galaxy-details .col-right { width: 125px; font-size: 0.9em; text-align: left; font-weight: normal; padding: 4px 0 4px 10px; }

/* Point of Interest template styles */ .point-interest { font-size: 0.9em; text-align: center; line-height: 18px; padding: 2px; margin-top: 10px; border: 1px solid #1E293D; background-color: #0a1627; display: table; } .point-interest th { font-size: 13px; font-weight: bold; background-color: #36445a; padding: 8px 10px; } .point-interest td { background-color: #1E293D; padding: 8px 10px; } .point-interest .poi-bullet-red { background: #1E293D url('http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/masseffect/images/c/cc/ME-POI-red.png') center center no-repeat; } .point-interest .poi-bullet-yellow { background: #1E293D url('http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/masseffect/images/1/19/ME-POI-yellow.png') center center no-repeat; } .poi-bullet-red, .poi-bullet-yellow { color: #1E293D; font-weight: bold; font-size: 18px; }

Thanks in advance for your help! — Teugene (Talk) 04:22, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah no problem. I just have to find my glasses, then my keyboard, then do it before...I...zzzzz Lancer1289 04:26, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate. Have a good night rest! — Teugene (Talk) 04:49, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Unlikely. I haven't been able to fall asleep before 4:00 am for the last week. Not to mention I've had a on and off headache all day and a stomach ache as well. I really need this school year to be over and I still have three more weeks... Lancer1289 04:53, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Scorpion Edit
Hi, I noticed you reverted an edit the Scorpion page due to "salarian" being capitalized. However, that word was followed by "STG." Wouldn't this fit into the exception for unit names and/or alien governments (while not the name of the government itself, it is/was an organization within the salarian government)? Thanks TheUnknown285 18:32, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * After looking at it again, the only way it would be capitalized is if it is that way in the weapon's description. Given BioWare's tendency to make sure on things like that, odds are it is lowercase. However, if in the description it is upper, then there is little we can do about it. Even if it is followed by STG, the fact remains that salarian is never seen in uppercase apart from the beginning of a sentence. Lancer1289 18:35, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * So, are you saying, based on the Manual of Style, that it should be capitalized unless the in-game description has it lower-cased or that it shouldn't be capitalized unless the game does so? In other words, if this piece of text were not taken from in-game text, would it be "Salarian STG" or "salarian STG."  Thanks again.  TheUnknown285 18:46, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * The term "STG" does not include the word "salarian". STG is just STG and not "Salarian STG". Therefore, the word salarian is not capitalized. — Teugene (Talk)
 * I think you may be misunderstanding me. The article in question, as written now, says "salarian STG."  I'm asking if "salarian" should be capitalized like we do for "Salarian Union" or "Asari Commando."  TheUnknown285 18:54, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * No. If the description capitalizes it, then it should be here as all descriptions are verbatim from the game. As Teugene pointed out, while the STG is a salarian organization, the word salarian is separate from the title. Asari Commando is a unique case as normally asari wouldn't be capitalized, but if you are referring to Asari Commando (enemy), then it would be as that it the name of the enemy. Basically, if it isn't capitalized in the game, then it isn't here as it has been demonstrated multiple times that all race names are lower case. Lancer1289 18:59, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying.  TheUnknown285 19:08, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Email Notification
Lancer, please check your email and respond when you have the opportunity. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:36, April 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've sent you a second email regarding a separate matter. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:33, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Got them both, but don't expect a reply on the first one for about a week. Lot of stuff going on. As to the first matter, I'm looking into it right now. Lancer1289 18:43, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #10
Just curious why did you delete my edit on the Mattock page? --Jmoonz91042 18:22, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you had read my edit summary, it was both confusing and because of that, it really wasn't a note. Lancer1289 18:30, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #11
I was just wondering if there is a miscellaneous page that contains small details that don't necessarily effect the game or something like that. If there is not could you please tell me how to create a new page. There is something from ME3 I would like to add. It is the tooth brush Traynor spoke of near the beginning of the game. I know that is not that big of a deal but I would like to add it. Any help you could give on the page would be much appreciated. Also, if there is anything else you come across that you feel I should make a page for like the aforementioned one I would be happy to make it. Thank you. --Jmoonz91042 23:07, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, eleven people cannot follow simple instructions.
 * As to the point, there is no reason to create a page like that, and either way a sandbox would be necessary before anything would be done on this point. Lancer1289 00:51, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry I just thought it was a good idea. --Jmoonz91042 03:01, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #12
I was just wondering why you thought my recent edits were incorrect?--Jmoonz91042 17:09, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because it was the wrong character. There is no room for error there. Detective Anaya is the one who takes Samara into custody and is scared for her life because of it. The only way Dara is involved is she gives Shepard the location where Samara is. Nothing more or less. Lancer1289 17:56, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

oops my bad I didn't notice that I was rather tired at the time. Next time I will pay more attention.--Jmoonz91042 19:47, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Image Deletion
Lancer,

Would you please remove the following image? It is a personal image I uploaded.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ugly_Shepard_Hit.jpg

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 04:42, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Lancer1289 05:29, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #13
how was my edit in any way a spoiler
 * *Sigh* / Thirteen times now that simple directions cannot be followed. I don't know why, they are in plain English. Maybe writing simple instructions in a different language would be better.
 * As to the point, reading the Manual of Style on Perspective states that intro paragraphs must be written from the time they are introduced. Humans, as of Mass Effect, are the newest race. To suddenly say they are not, is a massive spoiler. The raloi are not introduced until after ME2. Lancer1289 06:09, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Confirmation
Hi Lancer1289,

Do you think I could maybe make a page on Urdnot Torsk, or Fred Mazzei, from the Shadow Broker's video archives? There is no particular reason, I just feel like expanding this excellent wiki. Thanks
 * Not really. There is next to nothing to say about them apart from the archive. We don't have a use for one/two sentence articles. WE usually leave things like this in whatever they are mentioned because of very limited information. In this case, they are best just left in the archive. Lancer1289 23:20, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks

Heads up on Grouping of Galaxy at War Missions
Hi, It's me, the trouble maker again. :-D I have suggested restructuring the Galaxy at War Missions list in the Missions page. The link to the thread is given here. I thought of giving you a heads up since you have contributed to most of the walkthroughs and I thought you would be interested in my suggestion. P.S.: Don't think that I am trying to restructure everything. I am just trying to fix the accessibility/usability aspect of some highly important pages. P.P.S: This time. I did start a conversation before editing. :-D --NisansaDdS 10:28, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, bad idea. Lancer1289 18:49, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Krogans and Turians, etc.
Heya, Lancer.

I didn't mean to ignore anything. I'm just new to this site, and have never seen an "edit summary" before.

About the line in question, it just seemed pretty vague to me. The original line stated, "Without hundreds of krogan offspring being produced at one time..." But what length of time is indicated by "one time"? A minute? A month? It's not very specific; so why specify "hundreds"? That's what was going through my head.

Aside from that, I changed "they could not hope to stand against" to "the krogans stood little chance against" - which probably seems a pretty arbitrary change to make. But, as the word "hope" had already been used in the previous sentence, it didn't need to be emphasised with repetition in this sentence. Variation of expression makes for stronger writing, in my opinion.

Hope that seems alright to you. Let me know what you think! --Truffy 11:10, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because we do know that krogan can have clutches that have hundreds of births in one go, so the article is accurate and anyone who knows the lore behind the krogan birthrate knows that bit of information. I cannot support any change because you are merely replacing words with different words and they all mean the same thing for your readability. Lancer1289 18:52, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. But a wiki isn't just for the benefit of people who already know the lore. Some people want to learn. Others may have read the whole codex in all the games, but have forgotten some details. So, it's helpful to be specific. "A single clutch," for instance, would be much more helpful than "at one time". --Truffy 07:17, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Sirta Shop ME3
I made a change on the page of the Sirta Foundation (shop) concerant an error in the subtitle in French but I do not know if the same error exists in another language and being French, I am not against the help to improve my English.

Yo
Hey Lancer. How is you? Still funny?

Anyway, remember me? My username right now is ashleywilliamshusband. I got banned for having the username vaginasaresexy but it was only supposed to last for 2 weeks. Do you think you can help me with this?69.131.150.126 01:31, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Taken care of, Lancer. -- Commdor (Talk) 02:12, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Not sure what this is about...
...but it's certainly a problem. Someone named Crackenback46 appears to have created an account solely for the purpose of posting a "blog" that is a copy-paste of Wikipedia's entry on Adolf Hitler. I believe it's already been reported, but if not I felt someone should bring it to your attention. --Zxjkl 05:32, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Deleted and user banned for spam. Lancer1289 15:34, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Here's something interesting
To quote Commdor "I'm not sure the language policy applies to personal user spaces aside from blog posts." So are you going to somehow make up a reason as to how I still managed to violate the language policy two weeks ago on my personal page? This is what I have been getting at. I don't want to be your enemy but you don't seem to understand the language policy yourself. The language policy states there is leeway in talk pages and on personal user space. That implies that you can swear on talk pages and personal user space. So please for the love of God admit your'e wrong for once!--BrewCrew4Life21 00:57, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think leeway means you can swear all you want. I would guess it means something more along the lines of minour expletives used infrequently. --The Milkman | I always deliver. 01:01, May 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Lancer isn't wrong. Rest assured, the language policy applies to personal user spaces. I love Commdor to death (which is why I proposed he be made an admin and then personally promoted him to that position) but he is incorrect in this instance. Ask yourself this: Why would the language policy apply to blogs, but not other "personal user spaces"? Answer - it wouldn't. There is no leeway in talk pages and on personal user spaces for profane language. I've debunked this allegation more times than I care to remember. As the Bureaucrat of the wiki, and as an admin who was here when the policies in question were written, I can assure you, Lancer is correct. SpartHawg948 01:05, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then why does it say leeway?? If you took that out of the Community Guidelines I can guarantee that you would have fewer issues with swearing!!! Please just put something that makes it explicitly clear that there is no swearing on this wiki. Period.--BrewCrew4Life21 01:08, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's already in there. You have to read more than just the section entitled "Language" though, oddly enough, to have a full understanding of site policy. Scroll down a little further and you'll see a section entitled "Banning". There are several examples there of activities that can result in a ban. "Crude or offensive language" is among them. The leeway you reference refers to insulting language, not offensive language. I suppose the leeway line could go, since it seems to cause confusion amongst people who only read that one paragraph of the guidelines. SpartHawg948 01:16, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Jack's poetry
Hi- I happened to check back in on the Jack article and noticed that you reverted my edit to the Trivia section for this reason: "Subjective and confirmation required". That the lines in Jack's poem are a reference is nearly incontrovertible; the Sandia report's version, which I linked in the edit, reads "This place is not a place of honor / No highly esteemed deed is commemorated here" and [Jack's poem's version] reads "This is not a place of honor / No esteemed dead are buried here". What, precisely, do you believe is subjective about this edit, and what constitutes confirmation if not a nearly literal quote of the source material? --EDG (t c) 03:42, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because first, nothing is a reference without devconfirmation. Either you get it or it cannot say "is a reference". Second, it is subjective because it could be nothing more than coincidence. Things like this in the past are extremely subjective and always need confirmation because of that. Coincidences are not trivia, and never have been. Lancer1289 04:51, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that's not what "reference" or "subjective" mean in general parlance, but it's your wiki. Have fun.24.236.195.78 13:39, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * And you are who exactly? Either way, that is what it means here, which is the only context that matters. Lancer1289 14:14, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Terminology
Describing the weapons accurately doesn't do them justice? -- Griever0311 14:19, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, describing them using a term that a, most people don't recognize, and b, most people don't associate with a very high rate of fire, is inaccurate. More people are familiar with a minigun than an LMG and given the rate of fire of the weapons, LMG just doesn't to it justice. Lancer1289 14:26, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * So, if you want to use that logic, then the one doesn't do the "minigun" label justice, either, when you're considering things that are spitting out 4000, 6000, or in one notable case (reputedly) over 10,000 rounds per minute. When you look at a lot of LMGs, especially the closed bolt types, you see things close to a thousand, or a little over or under, like the ones here. Nothing in Mass Effect (or hardly any other games) comes close to that, even the actual "minigun." And the "familiarity argument holds no weight. I mean, if you've ever played Call of Duty, Battlefield, any other FPS, or seen a war movie in the last 40 years, you've seen one of these neato belt-fed or magazine-fed guns that are bigger than the rest and fire for a really long time really quickly. Griever0311 14:33, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Did I not state that I knew what a minigun was? Apparently not because I am stating it again. I full well know the difference between the two so please stop implying that I do not as I find it rather annoying. For most people however, they do not know the major differences between the two and if it is very fast firing, like the two are, then they skip past machine gun and go straight to minigun. The familiarity argument is a perfectly valid argument in this case and does hold weight because of what it is attempting to imply. Dismissing it with no reason isn't a dismissal, it is just ignoring it. Lancer1289 16:18, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Your Attention Please
I would be obliged, if you can spare some time to contribute to the following discussions, in-light of the new developments; Talk:Aria:_Blue_Suns and Talk:Irune:_Book_of_Plenix--NisansaDdS 08:30, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Priority: Eden Prime
What is wrong with adding advice on which squadmates to bring? Similar information appears in the articles for other missions/assignments? TheUnknown285 23:36, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because the MoS on missions does not permit that kind of section in a format like that. Lancer1289 23:39, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * So, the issue was just formatting and not content? TheUnknown285 23:46, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * There were some issues with content as well. The problem is that it was almost stating the obvious rather than providing useful content. Lancer1289 23:52, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Headquote
Hey, I was wondering if the quote from the Mass Effect 3 section could be changed.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Talk%3ACommander_Shepard#New_Headquote

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 23:16, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

M-90 Indra in Multiplayer
Hey, just curious why you are removing the references of the M-90 Indra being available in Multiplayer now.

Here's associate producer from Bioware Billy Buskell confirming that it is now available in packs on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/ehlien/status/198857804273041408

His tweet was in response to this screenshot: http://twitpic.com/9hougb

My brother got it twice yesterday on the Xbox 360. Shouldn't it be OK to add it to the list of available MP weapon unlocks? 99.82.241.52 04:51, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * And nothing you have presented is a valid source. Twitter isn't valid without it being confirmed. Until a valid source is presented, nothing will be added. Lancer1289 04:56, May 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I guess since Bioware hasn't added an image for it in the Multiplayer Manifest, and they didn't mention it in the Balance Change patch notes, then there's nothing else I have. The Multiplayer forums on BSN are littered with threads discussing the Indra, but that wouldn't be valid either. Just curious, how would one confirm the twitter statement by Mr. Buskell? 99.82.241.52 05:05, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * There are multiple ways. A confirmed twitter account naming that account as belonging to that person. A post on the BSN forms of that person, or a dev, lising that account belonging to that person. We need something official, trustworthy, and reliable to confirm it.
 * And I find the way you put confirm in bold is extremely rude. We have standards on the site, and you are making it sound like I'm asking you to do brain surgery. Social media is in its own class for confirmation which was established when we first let it be used. Lancer1289 05:10, May 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wasn't intended to be rude. I was honestly just asking. So for twitter to be used as a valid reference, it needs to be a Confirmed account (of a legitimate source, like a Bioware dev)?99.82.241.52 05:13, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess the reason I was asking this is because the Bioware devs don't generally have Twitter's "confirmed" flag. Would producer Mike Gamble's @gamblemike account be considered confirmed? He regularly converses with Buskell's @ehlien account, including in his most recent tweet. Would something like this help confirm that @ehlien is who he says he is? https://twitter.com/#!/GambleMike/status/198212416109162496 99.82.241.52 05:18, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) It needs to come from an account we have confirmed, and only from those accounts. Current confirmed accounts are Casey Hudson, Christina Norman (although she no longer works at BioWare), Mac Walters, Preston Watamaniuk, Jesse Houston, Manveer Heir, Mac and Corey Gaspur. Lancer1289 05:26, May 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * This bioware blog post interview with Buskell links to his twitter: http://blog.bioware.com/2012/02/14/billy-buskell-and-corey-gaspur/
 * The link is in the lines: "BB: Hi, my name is Billy Buskell, I’m an Associate Producer on Mass Effect 3. I’m responsible for the Gameplay, Animation, and Character Art teams on the project." 99.82.241.52 05:26, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * There we go. I will now readd the information and make a note of another confirmed account. Thank you for making this process relatively painless. Compared to the last time this situation came up. Lancer1289 05:31, May 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem; glad I could find something concretely acknowledging his twitter. :) For future reference, is there a page for discussing confirmed Twitter accounts? I am surprised Mike Gamble's was not one you mentioned 99.82.241.52 05:35, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm similarly surprised Patrick Weekes (@patrickweekes) is not mentioned either, since you mentioned about the "last time this situation" came up... *roll eyes*. As for Michael Gamble here's the confirmation: Jessica Merizan from Bioware Twitter account is @jessicamerizan. She and Corey, confirms Michael Gamble's Twitter (@gamblemike) . Jessica also confirms Chris Priestly's Twitter (@bioevilchris) . So there's a whole lot of Bioware confirmed Twitter accounts, if you knew where to look. — Teugene (Talk) 16:24, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well we can add three more to the list. Lancer1289 18:12, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Your Undo
Not sure what "violation of site policy" you were referring to when you undid my improvements to the description of Fabrication Rights Managements on the ML-77 page; it would have been helpful for you to elaborate. Nevertheless, the real point of the edit was to clean up the grotesque grammer -- the lack of subject/verb agreement in the statement "a controversial set of measures which is employed." In English, singular subjects take singular verbs. E.g., "the boy is." And plural subjects take plural verbs. For example, "the team are." The other significant edit was to remove the pointless and needless speculation about whether FRM is a humorous reference to DRM. It obviously is. TwinSwords 22:01, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * What you did was not "clean up the grotesque grammar", which is one of the most subjective and biased statements I've seen recently, but you completely changed the meaning of the trivia. You stated that it is a reference, and until we have devconfirmation on it, nothing is a reference without it. Lancer1289 00:08, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * There's nothing "subjective or biased" about my factual claim that I fixed bad grammar -- bad grammar you then proudly restored. As for what you go on to say, does it seem possible to you that I did two things, fixed the grammar *and* removed the pointless ambiguity about whether FRM is an allusion to DRM? Because that's what actually happened. TwinSwords 02:40, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Reread my previous comment as it is blatantly obvious that you did not read it, or glossed over several facts. Without devconfirmation, we cannot say anything is a reference. You changed the trivia to say that it is a reference without any sort of confirmation on it. You did that in complete violation of site policy. And that is a subjective and biased statement because while the grammar is unusual, it is still valid grammar. Lancer1289 13:57, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Characters
Hi Lancer

Do you think in the Characters section, under 'Mass Effect 3' "Adversaries", I could add Harbinger, as he is the biggest enemy throughout the entire trilogy? Omega958 23:18, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * So instead of waiting for a response, you decided to do it anyway. Why? I have removed it for reasons that I stated in my edit summary. Lancer1289 00:09, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Feros and Elysium Edits
According to Commdor, similar edits are allowable for Illium and Bekenstein regarding those planets' ME3 fates. What is wrong with similar notes for Feros and Elysium? TheUnknown285 00:28, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have since removed the Illium edit as that isn't trivia and better left in the News Stories article. Now, if you want to make a case for it going back in, then please do so, but things like that aren't trivia.
 * Bekenstein is a unique case because Allers gives specific reasons for why the colony is attacked, how it is attacked, and that is reflected in that trivia item. Lancer1289 14:00, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

The Jona Sederis Page
Just an FYI, the Jona Sederis page never got deleted even though the delete proposal passed 3-0. So in case I missed something I just thought I should let you know.--BrewCrew4Life21 00:51, May 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * It was deleted at the time, but re-created after the character made an appearance in ME3. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:53, May 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok. That's kinda what I thought but I wasn't sure. Thanks.--BrewCrew4Life21 00:56, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Quick Access to Forums.
Take a look on the Dragon Age Wiki, one of the affliate wikis of this site. I was active in the wiki as a viewer, contributor and forum poster until I stopped playing it. One of the things I liked about theirs is the display list of forums. Whatever is on top of the list means it is a hot topic (it is often edited by users to write down what they want to say). The forums there are not limited to just gameplay help, but lore as well, along with the posters' opinions.

I know that the Mass Effect Wiki has forums that are not so different and can be accessed, too; you may think of me as lazy, thinking that it is just a few clicks of the mouse, but this slight touch may encourage more users to become active.

Please add this feature. Thank you.

NicKeL BreaD  Talk 08:03, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not even sure what you are asking here and I'm quite puzzled what is going on. Every wiki is different and anything like this would require a community vote, one I doubt will pass. If you could please elaborate on what you are talking about, then it would be appreciated. Lancer1289 14:01, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Multiplayer Balance Changes
Hi I am asking here fist as I don't no if there is any point in adding it to the wiki but there have been some Balance Changes on Multiplayer here is a link to the BioWare page it lists all the Changes to each enemy, weapon & skill and when they were implemented. Cpt Kent James 12:13, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * The only problem I see is how to integerate the information. Since it is the devs posting, I cannot remotely see a problem with it, but it is just getting the information into the article(s), and where to put it is the problem. Lancer1289 15:05, May 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Will just adding it in to the bottom of the Description on each page be ok but have it say Multiplayer Changes to this ???? go then a link to the bioware site be ok. If not I will live it to some1 other than me to add it to this wiki. Cpt Kent James 15:01, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * I really don't think that would work as it could get cumbersome over time. Perhaps this would be another subpage for the Multiplayer article as that is the only thing this affects, but that really would need more input. Lancer1289 18:53, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Weapon Notes subsections
Hi Lancer, I know that I am an incredibly inexperienced contributor to this wiki, but I have had quite a bit of time (3 Years) on UESP as a contributor, so if you could here me out it would be great. I am trying to propose the addition of a new section to the page of every weapon that appears in ME3 Multiplayer entitled 'Multiplayer Tips/Guide'. This would be for the benefit of people who didn't acquire the weapon in SP and therefore are highly uninformed as to how to use it effectively and would like help. I think that at the moment, everyone (including myself) has simply been placing any tips on how to use a certain weapon in MP in the 'Player Tips' section, which is causing these to rapidly expand and become congested. In an effort to streamline the search for advice, I proposes that this section is split into SP and MP sections, and when I posted this in the blog GroverA125 encouraged me to contact an admin such as yourself for authorisation/advice, as I am a) unsure of how to set up a Forum:Projects page that works and b) would like some help. I hope that this isn't a huge waste of your time, --SanjayBeast 17:53, May 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you're talking about sorting the Player Notes in weapon articles into mode-specific sections, we could probably do that now. There's little governing what goes into Player Notes sections, so there's generally nothing standing in the way of changing how they're organized. In fact, the PN sections could stand some cleaning up. See M-3 Predator for how I split the PN section there; I can take care of the rest shortly. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:12, May 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cheers - thats almost exactly what I intended. Can I go around and Categorise to my hearts content in the same way? In addition, for some articles should the notes that apply for both go in both or just to whichever is most applicable?

EDIT: I will presume no until told otherwise, don't worry. --SanjayBeast 18:57, May 11, 2012 (UTC) Could I also include the possibility of adding in the weapons rarity to its Acquisition:Multiplayer section (i.e instead of being 'randomly awarded by purchasing an item pack' it could read 'randomly rewarded by purchasing an item pack (Ultra-Rare N7) etc

Images used on my sandbox
Hi

I'm not sure quite what's going on here, but the 'upload new version' options for these pictures I've uploaded don't seem to work. I'm also not going to revert any more in an attempt to set it right, because that doesn't seem to be helping: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dodge_Arrow.png http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Fist.png

If it's a normal thing that takes a bit of time to update itself, then I will be patient. If there is no solution, would it be possible to have them deleted and I will start afresh?

Sorry for the trouble. Phylarion 19:19, May 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Never mind. it seems to have fixed itself! Phylarion 20:36, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the delayed response. I'm spending the day vegging as my finals week, and a chaotic semester is finally over! Anyway, back on topic.
 * Sometimes the Wikia image software can take up to a few days to regester a change to an image. I am unsure why this happens, but it is annoying at times. Lancer1289 21:01, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Grats on 30k
Congrats on 30k edits :). Also, you a PC gamer? Or do you have a console? JouninOfDespair 20:24, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * PC is strategy, simulation, and limited shooter and RPG. Lancer1289 21:01, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Minor Troubles
I'm home for Mother's Day weekend, been having connection troubles most of the day. The home wireless network gets knocked out if too many people are on at once. I have to shut my computer down now (can't have both it and Minecraft XBLA connected because my brother wants to use his computer now), but I should be back in a few hours to finish sorting the Player Notes sections on weapon articles. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:08, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Ok. I'll try not to fall asleep. Hmm, how to keep myself awake? Wait, now where did I leave the Stargate DVD... Lancer1289 23:13, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Can i help? or would you prefer only one opinion on what is SP and MP ? --SanjayBeast 12:02, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why are you asking me? I'm not the one doing this. Lancer1289 15:19, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #14
I am curious as to why you think that Arrival and Overlord are assignments? Assignments do not show up on the galaxy map, missions do. Both of these are downloadable MISSIONS, not assignments. Thus people get confused when they go to the missions page and do not find them. Also, the Firewalker pack is also a series of Missions, not assignments. This is no different than the Shadow Broker "Mission" which is downloadable. And assignment is something along the lines of finding the forged ID's and delivering them to the girl at the Citadel.
 * And now it is up to fourteen people that cannot follow simple, basic instructions.
 * As to the point, where does the journal put those? In the Assignments Category, not the Mission Category. We define missions and assignments per the ingame journal. If you have a problem with that, then take it up with BioWare. And I would highly suggest taking another look at the journal because it is obvious that you either didn't, or don't remember correctly. Lancer1289 23:16, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

CG Edits
Can a non admin make edits to the CG page to correct the unlikely mis-information or spelling etc...--BrewCrew4Life21 23:55, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * No. Lancer1289 00:15, May 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I only ask because I didn't see anything about editing the CG page on the CG page. And user Teugene was made an admin but his name hasn't been added to the list of active admins on the CG page.--BrewCrew4Life21 01:20, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * That has since been corrected. Lancer1289 06:23, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Multiplayer Class Pages
I think they're just about done.

User:Phylarion/Sandbox

I've (hopefully) removed all references to my own Sandbox and if you approve, they can be directly transferred into proper pages. Phylarion 13:22, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * You don't need just one admin's approval, you'll need to put it up to a vote in the projects forum. There's already a thread Forum:MP Class pages started (that you have posted in before). Trandra 14:46, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be accurate. This is not something that one admin can approve. We need a full community vote on this one. Lancer1289 15:18, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Editing templates with unapproved material?
Lancer, is there any protocol for the following? Phylarion did a lot of changes to the Template:PowerDetails. Many were helpful (added links to ME3 powers), but he also added some content that hasn't been voted on. I removed that, but I wanted an admin's opinion. (I put a new section on Phylarion's talk page about it.) Trandra 15:27, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I also left a message about it. While some of the changes can be tolerated, as they needed to get done, in the future, he cannot keep doing things like that. Large scale changes need to be approved, no matter what type of page they are on. However, that said, some and I do seriouly stress the some, need to be done, but again, this behavior cannot continue. Any large scale change needs to be approved. Lancer1289 15:31, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I noticed you'd left your comment on the situation before I finished leaving this one "informing" you about it. :) Trandra 15:36, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw your comment before I started mine. Either way, this just cannot continue. Lancer1289 15:40, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Updating and styling the MoS
I've started working on some changes to the Manual of Style page that could make it easier to navigate (still in progress), easier to read and understand, and make it a bit clearer. Not much as been done but I'll appreciate input before making major changes.


 * 1) I moved the list of the MoS subpages to hard-coded infobox and separate it based on topic they address. I also added links to all relevant sections of our guidelines and policies to make navigation a bit clearer. The same infobox could be implanted in all MoS pages to make navigation between the pages easier.
 * 2) I'm believe splitting the content on this page into another subpage titles "Important" or anything along this line, for all section that relate to issues that repeat themselves on a regular basis (like race name capitalization, speculations, and spelling fixes) could be contain direct editors to a shorter, but important information and might help avoid those issues (maybe even adding something about what should or should not be discussed on talk pages).
 * 3) *Alternatively, all the section on "How-to X" like uploading files, inserting them into articles, how to redirect a page, and how to use categories, could be moved to a seperate page to avoid cluttering the main page with redundancies - it doesn't really have anything to do with style, but relates editing the wiki in general.
 * 4) The MoS does not mention anything about the Projects and Policy forums, which I believe is important and mentioning it could potentially direct editors to the right place.

It's more questions then a working example, but personally it took me months until I read the entire MoS. It's not really an easy read and some improvements could be made to it. If and when this goes to the Projects forum, I would like for the sandbox page to be complete for accurate voting (if you and rest of the admins believe in the changes I propose).

Thanks for your time. --silverstrike 18:08, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am really not in favor of this. Not to mention considering the page, this wouldn't go into the projects forum as that could and probably would, cause more problems than it would solve. This is something admins would probably have to agree on, but currently I cannot see what is the point of changing it and making it less user friendly. Lancer1289 22:35, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you against all of the changes/suggestions?
 * I continued with some more changes and created a pseudo proposal for the admins. I would still appreciate comments about the changes I made, if any of them is relevant, and whether you think a change in a different direction could be more helpful. --silverstrike 11:20, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry for adding the categories on Zorya, my computer wasn't showing any of the categories. Thanks for reverting my edits Lancer.Typhoonstorm95 20:34, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Auto-Refresh
Hey Lance, about that auto-refresh option in the Recent Changes, I had not seen it since the admin tab bar appears. Is that supposed to be normal or the script does not take into account of the admin bar? 08:22, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you can ignore this message. I know what's the cause of the problem. 11:22, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Apologies for not getting back sooner. I spend yesterday just enjoying myself as I needed a day off and I spent the day watching a large portion of Season Three of Stargate SG-1. Lancer1289 17:40, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #15
Hey Lancer!

We over at CleverNoob (the creators of the Indoctrination Theory Documentary; recognized by Bioware staff, even broadcasted on a radio station to all of Southern Toronto) were just wondering if we could post up our Insanity Mode Walkthrough videos on the respective level pages?

We noticed there are currently no video walkthroughs present for the game on this Wikia, so we thought ours would be of great contribution to the wikia.

However, before we go adding videos to the Wikia, we wanted to know if this would be alright with you.

CleverNoob.com
 * Now up to fifteen people. Sigh.
 * As to the point, we do not permit videos of any kind on this site. This is elaborated on in the Community Guidelines FAQ. Users are free to embed videos into their user page, but any videos uploaded to the site will be deleted on sight. No exceptions. This has been site policy for quite some time now. Lancer1289 05:50, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the response Lancer! And while this may just be one person writing this, it is on behalf of all of our staff, so, I guess you could say you're up to 30 people now. ;-)

I do find that slightly odd, though. Why wouldn't videos be allowed when they contribute directly to the Wikia? And actually, if you read the link you gave me, it says "MEWiki only accepts videos in very rare cases", rather than "no exceptions". I honestly believe this should be one of those exceptions. Many people have a hard time with Insanity mode, and sometimes a written guide just doesn't cut it in those cases.

Furthermore, Bioware is already aware of our videos, because we have spoken directly with Bioware staff who have complimented us on our work, and have never once brought up anything relevant to copyright claims.

Even further, these would be a very small numbers of videos explicitly on each "level's" page (one for each level's page), and nothing more.

I would understand if people are posting stuff purely as advertisement, or irrelevant to the page, but if it directly relates to the page at-hand, doesn't obstruct anything on the page, doesn't take-away from anything, is professionally done, and is actually beneficial to the readers; then why not?

I'm more curious than anything else, as our videos have been allowed multiple times on other Wikia pages and welcomed with open arms. CleverNoob.com - Julian (CEO of CleverNoob), and the rest of our staff.