User talk:Commdor/Archive 2

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I see how it is...
The U.S. Air Force's dating system isn't good enough for you, is it? Have to use the namby-pamby civilian version, eh? :P SpartHawg948 21:58, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Exclusive Content
I was just curious, since you mentioned it and if you are able, could you please find that interview where a developer confirmed that Sony does demand exclusive content. If you can't, I'll understand, but I am curious now about this. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 04:20, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's what I've been looking for during the past hour. After fighting the Google beast, I finally triumph: Ping! -- Commdor (Talk) 04:55, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Lancer1289 05:05, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Art Book
Just out of curiousity, does the book say meters or feet for the Queen's length? I'd check but I don't have it unfortunatly. Lancer1289 23:02, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * It specifically says feet in that instance. I wouldn't have reverted SkyBon's edit otherwise, seeing as there's a related hullabaloo going on at the Gillian Grayson article. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:07, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hooray! I've been looking for my copy, but have yet to locate it. Fortunately, Commdor is much more on the ball this afternoon than I am! :) SpartHawg948 23:08, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) Indeed, it is getting pointless. Here is the exact quote from Ascension. "He flew twenty feet through the air..." I don't see meters anywhere else. Personally I think we should have what is in the book, which is the source of the information. Lancer1289 23:11, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Request
If you put up an article for redirect, deletion, move, etc, please open the discussion on the talk page. Otherwise people who are voting don't know why the article is up for such an action. Not every checks page histories for edit summaries. It is also asked in the Community Guidelines to do that for the reasons that I listed above. It also helps keeping track of the various articles. Thanks. Lancer1289 23:17, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

LotSB Release
Since you are in college, I'm just curious how early you are going to be able to get to the pack? Since we were both writing the Overlord stuff at the same time. Lancer1289 01:19, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, I'm not at college currently, and I won't be heading back until the 19th (and I'll be moving into an apartment then which won't have internet right away, FYI. I may need you to watch out for the CDN if it takes a while to get internet working. I'll let you know what the situation is once we get closer to that date). So, I'll be here for all the fun of updating the wiki with LotSB info. Another plus is I've scheduled all my classes this coming quarter for after 12 noon EST, so if there's any more DLC up until late December/early January, I'll be here for that too. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:31, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Realized I didn't quite answer your question. I'm not quite sure when I'll have the pack ready. My home's router is painfully slow, so anything around 1 gig takes 90 minutes to download. A ballpark estimate is I'll be able to start playing LotSB around 10:00 AM. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:35, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I'm already back in class, but all of my classes, except Tuesdays starting on the 14th, are in the morning, so I'll be back by 11:15 CST. On the 14th, I'll be in class from 9am to 10pm, but I have breaks and on top of that, my teacher has an Xbox 360, and knows how to hook it up to those fancy projectors in the classroom. Both of my afternoon classes are game design classes after all, so playing is encouraged, until it disrupts class that is. I'll download the pack before I leave in the morning, and then start writing when I get back.
 * I also noticed that you are an anthropology major, intersting choice. I took one anthro class, and it was probably my teacher more than everything else put together, but I didn't like it. It seemed like an interesting subject, but I think my teacher ruined it for me. As to my majors, I am current a game design and music education major. So yes I'm taking a lot of classes. Lancer1289 01:39, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming you ment 10:00 am EST right? Well I have class from 9:30 - 10:45 CST, and a half-hour travel time between school and home. So the earliest I'll be able to start playing will be around 11:15 CST. Unless something happens, which I doubt. I don't consider cutting class, espeically this early in the semester, unless it can be avoided. I only overslept once, and that was for the summer. Lancer1289 01:42, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, 10 AM EST. Wish I thought of game design. But I've never been good at computer-heavy stuff. As for anthropology, it's alright so far. It's given me a new perspective on several National Geographic and Travel Channel programs, for one thing. The downside is anthropology is a tricky degree to turn into a profession, there's just not much call for anthropologists. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:53, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I'll be watching your additions while I sit in class then. Since I have a reputation for getting walkthroughs up quickly, as in the same day, with Overlord and Kasumi, I'll get home and start writing. I just have to choose which Shepard I'm going to use. Since BioWare stated that they players will get more out of it if they play it after the Suicide mission, I have a number of choices. I'll just have to get back and typing when I can.
 * Thankfully the Pack will be downloaded when I get back as I can just set it up in the morning. However I might go to bed early and get up on Tuesday to start. I'll have two and a half hours to three hours to play before I have to go to class, and probably some of that will be taken up by downloading. I'll probably just start with the walkthoguhs then expand to the rest of the pack when I finish them. Which probably won't be until the evening.
 * Overlord took a while, mainly to explain the Hammerhead sections and getting all the logs, but I think that the car chase will be somewhat complicated. I guess I'll just have to wait until I get him to start. Man that is going to be an agonizing two hours including the travel time. I guess I'll be typing as fast as I can when I get home. Lancer1289 02:05, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Righto. I'll see if I can have most of the mission pages set up for your walkthroughs. Depends on if, when, and how often I'll have to do Codex updates and add in the bric-a-brac for new planets (as Overlord taught me, the latter is tedious). -- Commdor (Talk) 02:20, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I did the planets for Kasumi, and that is very tedious work. Lancer1289 02:32, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

LotSB Preview Info
Then why don't you add that info since you found that page with the proof on it instead of playing the waiting game. Shadowhawk27 00:25, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Um how about that is almost copied word for word off of that site, so that is already a big problem. The actual Lair of the Shadow Broker page is a hub for the entire pack, like every other DLC pack page, see Kasumi - Stolen Memory, Firewalker Pack, Zaeed - The Price of Revenge. That is walkthrough information, and apart from having no place in that type of article, it comes from someone else's experiences from paying the pack, and they don't provide tactics, just an overview of the pack. The walkthroughs, which I'll probably end up writing, has no place on that page. It's place is on the individual walkthroughs, which is the content part of the pack. So we WILL wait until Tuesday for actual walkthroughs that not only provide tactics, but aren't based, and basically copied, from a review. That isn't the point of the page, and that information has no place on that page. Also it is worded inconsistent with other walkthroughs and again that page is more of a hub for the entire pack, not the place to describe walkthroughs. If I hadn’t been at dinner I would have just rolled back the whole thing like Commdor already did. We have separate pages for walkthroughs and we don’t describe gameplay portions of the pack on the hum page. Remember that section was removed from the Overlord pack page as it was inconsistent and not relevant to that type of page. Lancer1289 00:40, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Downloading LotSB
Well it's finally here, and I don't know about you, but I just started the download, curse Xbox Live right now. HOwever the pack is huge, 1.52 GB, wow. So that will probably take me about an hour, so I guess I woke up early for nothing. I guess I'll have to wait until I finish class to play. Started downloading yet? Lancer1289 11:53, September 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Started downloading at 7:10 EST. I'm at 43% (I have a few choice words about my slow router which I won't utter in good company). At least there's time enough for breakfast. -- Commdor (Talk) 12:01, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I jsut checked again, and considering you've been downloading for over an hour, and I've just been for 15ish minutes, I'm already over 50%, please don't kill me. So, I can maybe start playing before I leave, but I just need to keep an eye on the clock, becuase I really can't mis class with that quiz. Lancer1289 12:06, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well walkthorughs will be coming fast actually. Just checked my email and class is canceled. My professor didn't say why but I guess now I have some time, as that was my only class today. Lancer1289 12:26, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 77%! Again, I hate you. At least leave me the planets or something. I want to contribute too! :( -- Commdor (Talk) 12:42, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 84%. I'm bored. -- Commdor (Talk) 12:49, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * No objections, me = walkthoughs. Lancer1289 12:50, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Finally, DL'd! Onward! -- Commdor (Talk) 13:08, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Mission Summary Statments
I have been trying to find where this was brought up before, as I'm pretty sure it has, but alas I have failed. However I found that in MoS for both assignments and missions, it doesn't have the blockquote template, and it is written like it is now. Also there isn't that Debriefing bullet either. I know someone had talked with me about this before, but I can't find where. Just figured you should know. Lancer1289 21:55, September 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Gotcha. I was going off the Overlord missions when I first posted the LotSB mission summary. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:58, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I looked at the history and saw that I did that. All I can say, brain fart. Lancer1289 22:02, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for catching my mistake on the SB page. -- Also, what's the code for inserting a hard return (or break) while writing? Thanks! AnotherRho 21:31, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think what you're looking for is   . -- Commdor  (Talk) 21:52, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you. AnotherRho 22:12, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Human-Reaper
On top of the edit note for the jpg summary, the edit you undid from me did not claim the structure was made entirely of liquefied humans, only that liquefied humans was used to make it. That much we can verify. Anything else, such as what kind of metal it is, or if it even has metal, is pure speculation until we receive confirmation in official sources. Shadowdragon00000 00:53, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah... sweet irony. SpartHawg948 01:16, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed I also don't see a reason why it was change/removed. It mentions liquified colonists but makes no mention of metal. While it is pretty apparent that they are made of metal, I didn't see a reason why the previous version was incorrect. It stated facts and I don't see a problem with that. Metal isn't even mentioned in the caption. Lancer1289 01:21, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

As I had mentioned before, we don't know if it has metallic elements in it or not. By saying "It looks metal, therefore it must be metal" is the same thing as saying "The humans looked like paste when they were liquefied, therefore they were turned into paste", which is something SpartHawg personally deemed to be speculation. By allowing speculation as to what the Human-Reaper appears to be made from, in the same mindset, we should rightfully include the descriptive element one of the in game characters gave to the human ingredients. Shadowdragon00000 01:22, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * By allowing a caption that states only that the Reaper is built at least partially of a substance we know for a fact it is made (at least in part) of, we're speculating? How? Nothing is stated there that is not stated in-game. No mention is made of any other materials, such as metal. You are the one who inserted metal into this issue, as it does not appear in the caption. SpartHawg948 01:25, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

It's speculation in the sense that we're assuming other ingredients were used in the construction of the Human-Reaper, which has neither been confirmed or denied by any official BioWare sources at this point. Shadowdragon00000 01:26, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Confused. Aren't we all in agreement that 'humans' (in some form) are an ingredient in this reaper's constitution? --AnotherRho 01:27, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would assume so. It's stated in not one but two sources. SpartHawg948 01:28, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * As for "It's speculation in the sense that we're assuming other ingredients were used in the construction of the Human-Reaper, which has neither been confirmed or denied by any official BioWare sources at this point.", it is explicitly stated in-game that the Human-Reaper is a hybrid of organic and inorganic materials. Inorganic, you say? Hmmm... SpartHawg948 01:29, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) Inorganic metals, hmm maybe then the Reaper is made of other things isn't it. In that case, the caption is very true in that is made of partially liqueified colonists. So again, I don't see why this issue was brought up. Lancer1289 01:33, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

The human body is also comprised of non-organic elements, such as carbon and iron. Hmm... Shadowdragon00000 01:32, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed it is. However, we do have statements that humans were turned into "organic sludge" for use in the Reaper, but no statements that they were turned into organic and inorganic materials for it. Seems like speculation to say that both organic and inorganic must refer to the liquefied humans. SpartHawg948 01:35, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Indeed. The current caption states what we know and nothing more. Why should we modify it to what amounts to speuclation when it's present from it states facts and what is currenlty known. I don't see a problem with that. Lancer1289 01:37, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

"Organic sludge" was nothing more than a descriptive element that Chakwas used to described the material, which is ( again ) something you deemed to be speculation on your own. Shadowdragon00000 01:36, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Think so, huh? Maybe you should try to get the source right before assuming the intent, because right now you're swinging and missing. SpartHawg948 01:38, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict infinity)Anyway, to everyone here, I shouldn't have said Reapers are made of metal in that edit summary, that has complicated this immensely, but I point out that my undo did not add "metal" into the clause in the article. Saying Reapers cannot have been made of other materials is just as speculative is saying metal is involved. I believe the caption, before Shadowdragon edited it, is as middle-of-the-road as possible. It does not speculate on what other materials aside from the organic sludge (a valid term according to ME: Retribution, FYI) are used, but it also does not completely rule out other materials. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:38, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Congrats to Commdor for correctly identifying the source, rather than making assumptions! Yay! :) SpartHawg948 01:39, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Commdor, that was what I was trying to convey. I'm not admitting nor denying the possibility that other materials could be used in the process. As of right now, the only thing that we know for a fact, is that humans were used to make it. By saying it was "partially" made implies nothing more than there were other ingredients involved. We just don't know that yet. Shadowdragon00000 01:42, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * And on the other hand, not saying 'partially' implies that the Human-Reaper is made solely out of processed humans. Mighty speculative. So do we sacrifice accuracy in favor of semantics? After all, we do have a source for organic and inorganic material, and only a rather rigid interpretation can deem both of those to refer to the same source material (i.e. humans).SpartHawg948 01:46, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * (edit conflcit) Indeed without the 'partially', it makes the entire caption extrememly speculative. Lancer1289 01:49, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Failing to mention whether the Human-Reaper has more than one ingredient in it or not does not deny the possibility that there could be more than one ingredient. Shadowdragon00000 01:47, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Fine, we DO all agree. And Shadow is not incorrect here (about the use of the partitive "from", or "of" for that matter). But for clarity and friendliness, why not write, "made at least in part of humans"? AnotherRho 01:50, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because it seems terribly clunky to me. Not to mention less accurate. 'Maybe made at least partially of liquefied humans'. Still pretty clunky and asinine, as it assumes that humans can be turned into energy weapons, but less inaccurate than stating that it's 'made of liquefied humans', implying that's all it's made of. SpartHawg948 01:54, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh... this is all about a caption to a screenshot. AnotherRho 01:58, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Indeed all over a caption. Anyway I also don't see a problem with the current one. It's accurate and states what we know. I have yet to see why there is a problem stating facts. Maybe this time I won't get edit conflicted. Alas not. Lancer1289 02:01, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * It sure is. This situation is frustrating, ridiculous, and hilariously ironic all at the same time. SpartHawg948 01:59, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Lancer1289 02:01, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep. And I can't even look at another page on this wiki without that new message notice appearing. Now I know what it's like to be you two on some days. -- Commdor (Talk) 02:01, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Although I think that would apply more to Spart than myself, but I have had a few days like that. Lancer1289 02:03, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * You know it. Have you seen the time-frame my last archive covers? It's ridiculous. SpartHawg948 02:06, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

So, after all this, what's the consensus of stating "Made at least partially of liquefied humans", as was suggested twice already? That is the only statement that doesn't bring question and what-if's to the table. Shadowdragon00000 02:23, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup. Better than implying that humans are the only component, and apparently better than going with what appears in-game, as a ridiculously narrow interpretation can apparently call that into question. SpartHawg948 02:26, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind...
This whole character page thing with Liara was going nowhere fast, and the comments section had become a vicious cycle of argument with only two people, neither of whom were making headway, so I initially suggested just stopping the arguing till you deemed the time right for voting (as you're the one who started the forum), but then I went ahead and did it myself. Due to the multifaceted nature of it, there's actually two votes. Should you want to change it up a little, feel free. SpartHawg948 10:59, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

It's about the readers
Why did you revert my edit? It is a very plausible question, and one that has been answered. So why on god's green earth should we not duly note that in the article, for readers' convenience? Or let me guess, you don't care about the readers. You obviously don't. Why am I even trying to talk sense into you. --87.79.84.240 20:02, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * And you watch your attitude here. Commdor, if you had noticed, didn't delete it, but rather moved it to the top of the article. I was fine with it in the Notes section, but to be honest it looks good there too. SO it is still there, just in a different place. Lancer1289 20:04, September 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * {Edit conflict) If you paid attention to my edit, you would notice that I merely moved the info you added to the top section of the page. I did not revert you. There is no need for insults. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:06, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict indeed) Wow... such civility. Don't try to ask nicely, or genuinely inquire as to why. Oh no... instead, we have to come out with all guns blazing. And loaded statements galore! "Or let me guess, you don't care about the readers. You obviously don't. Why am I even trying to talk sense into you." Do a little research next time before spewing vitriol at someone who didn't even do what you claim they did. SpartHawg948 20:07, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was a mistake. Thank all three of you for not even remotely considering that possibility. You are doing great. With regard to my initial comment: Sorry guys, my bad. Guess I'm too used to people undoing useful edits on Wikipedia. --87.79.84.240 20:10, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey... you get what you give. At least, unlike your comment, we weren't going after you for something you didn't even do. I suspected it was a mistake. That matters not at all. You still acted like a jerk to Commdor for no reason, did you not? Next time, take a deep breath and look at the edit to figure out what actually was done, not what you think was done. It will really cut down on incidents like this. And remember, when you fire the first volley, it's pretty childish to get mad at people for firing back. SpartHawg948 20:14, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Offline
Since you stated that you would be off line for a period of time, I guess we'll have to rely on FridgeRaider88 to update CDN. However if he doesn't get to it I guess I will. Just let us know when you get internet access in that apartment you are moving into. Also have fun. Lancer1289 04:37, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oops
I didn't even see there was a talk page for that image. Since images usually don't have them, I really didn't even bother to look. Interesting, anyway glad to see that resolved, no one's perfect. Lancer1289


 * No problem. I only noticed the talk page by chance anyway. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:37, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Friday/Saturday Funtimes in Londinium
Just a heads up to say I'll be spending the weekend with my brother in London this weekend, so if you could do the honours for CDN that'd be awesomesauce. Cheers. --FridgeRaider88 00:09, October 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure thing. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:29, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Spoiler Template
Something was brought to my attention and I'm wondering if you would like to work on it. Since Incursion and Inquistion don't have spoiler templates, I think we do need them. We have spoilers for every other form of media, and I think that these should be no exception. Just let me know of you are interested. Lancer1289 18:23, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll see what I can come up with. I'll try and have something presentable tomorrow, my schedule's a little hectic so I can't devote the necessary time to this right away. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:22, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure whenever you find the time then. No rush. Lancer1289 20:24, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * You know is there something else. I noticed that the talk page for the Spoilers (Mass Effect) template had a point, there is no quote for it like we have for the rest. I was thinking taht we should add a quote to match the rest. However I'm just not sure about what quote. I have a few, but I was wondering what you were thinking. Lancer1289 20:56, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * What are your suggestions? I don't have any ME dialogue fresh in my mind. I'll either pick one of yours or cruise YouTube. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:01, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, the Spoilers (Galaxy) template is absent a quote too if you were seeking for some uniformity amongst them. For ME1, I would suggest/recommend something from the conversation with Sovereign. --The Illusive Man 22:06, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's a few suggestions: 1"Anyone who fights us is either stupid or on Saren's payrol." 2"Just because I like you doesn't mean I won't kill you." 3"Who votes to take the vehicle into the creepy underground tunnel?" 4"The Council can kiss my ass!" 5"Your species must know its place." 6"Sometimes crazy is the best way to go." 7"Is submission not preferable to extinction?" I like numbers 2 & 7 personally. --Effectofthemassvariety 22:54, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * For Galaxy you could put "Stop right there young man, or I'll fill you full of holes." which was said by Black eye. Or you could put "I've got my eye on the Captain's quarters." which is said by Jacob. These aren't as good, but I just thought I'd give at least a couple suggestions. --Effectofthemassvariety 23:03, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

And the templates are all done. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:47, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

ME Spoiler Quote
I decided to play around with the Mass Effect spoiler tag to try and get it more updated, and put a quote on it. I am not very experienced with doing that kind of stuff, but I thought I'd try and save you some work. They look the same as the current tag, they just have a quote, and different wording. They're on my Sandbox if you want to check them out. --Effectofthemassvariety 16:52, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I picked #9. It struck a chord, I think it really sums up ME in a neat little package. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:48, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that, since they were numbered, and since multiple users were notified to take a look and opine, there would be some sort of discussion before one was picked? 9 is the one I was leaning towards too, but this all seems a bit abrupt and arbitrary. SpartHawg948 20:17, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * It looked to me like Lancer just wanted me to pick something. If a community-wide discussion was intended, I was unaware. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:20, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming that's what was intended, based on the message I was left earlier today asking for input, or if I had any other quotes I thought would be good to use. SpartHawg948 20:25, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the misunderstanding, I guess my message was a little um...cryptic may be a good word. Anyway I really was looking for some input first, then we could see what people thought. Again apologies for the apparent confusion. Lancer1289 20:38, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

It's cleared up now, and no harm was done. Start up the discussion! -- Commdor (Talk) 20:49, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm afraid that I may have added to the confusion as well. Sorry. Anyways, where is the discussion taking place? Have we started one? --Effectofthemassvariety 21:15, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think any discussion has begun yet. Template talk:Spoilers (Mass Effect) would probably be the best place to start it. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:31, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, it's kind of a formality at this point. I'll start the discussion, but I think that your choice was the best one. I'm sorry about the confusion. At first, I actually thought it was going to be your responsibility to pick one, from Lancer's comments in the above section. Then I thought that we should discuss it, so I messaged the Lancer and Spart to give input on my "prototypes." So, yeah. I apologize for the misunderstandings and confusion. Anyways, I'll start the discussion.--Effectofthemassvariety 21:38, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah... not to sound like too much of a jerk here, but there really isn't any decision (certainly not one of this sort, impacting the look and design of the site) that is the responsibility of one editor. If anything does arise which needs to be decided by one or a very small number of editors, it'd be up to the administrators to decide, not the editors. But matters like this do need to be discussed. It's site policy, plain and simple. This situation is pretty much identical to the situation with the wordmark, which was handled properly, with a forum discussion and vote and whatnot. SpartHawg948 03:42, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Commdor, I figured I should let you know that we've moved the discussion to Forum:Spoiler Tag Quotes for this and others if necessary. Just letting you know. Lancer1289 18:47, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Mass Effect Wiki templates category
You are quick to eliminate changes. The "purpose" was both obvious and written in the summary. The Category:Mass Effect Wiki templates is partly unreadable with the new skin, because the Spotlights bar overlaps one of the columns. But I repeat myself. If there really is nothing that can be done, then perhaps that ought to be stated; but nevertheless the problem deserves notice by whomever is concerned about making the Wiki legible, rather than useless or annoying. But is there nothing that can be done? Furthermore, I've not yet found any other category page which suffers from the same problem; so it is at least somewhat unique. - Are you using the "New Look"? --AnotherRho 04:15, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you're both partially right. Commdor is correct in saying that we can't change how category pages are displayed. They're always three columns wide. The reason this category in particular displays incorrectly is because the page names are extraordinarily long, due mostly to people's sandbox pages being in the category. The obvious (maybe) solution is to have the category removed from those pages (especially since they shouldn't be in that category in the first place). It's possible that this won't solve the problem though (some remaining legitimate pages are still pretty long). Even if it does, it's a temporary solution that doesn't generalize well. It's quite conceivable that we'll, at some point in the future, have legitimate pages that belong in categories, causing the same sort of problem. We really can't change it on our end though. I've contacted Wikia about it, but I'm doubtful that they'll be able to make a change (if any) in the near future. I've also left messages with users who have sandboxes in the offending category. Hopefully that will fix the issue. -- Dammej ( talk ) 07:07, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Informative Message regarding awesomeness
Just throwing this out there in case there is anyone who has been living under a rock or some such. This Commdor guy everyone has been talking about? Yeah, he's pretty much the epitome of awesomeness. If you were to look up the word "awesome" in the dictionary (or the words "extraordinary", "suave", or "superlative"), you'd see Commdor's picture looking back at you. I dare say he is, quite literally, the greatest thing since sliced bread (other than the Mass Effect franchise and Chuck Norris, of course). In fact, he may even be the greatest thing since before sliced bread, since scientists have posited that Commdor in fact created sliced bread. So yeah, if you have any questions about any and all things awesome, this talk page is the place to leave them. SpartHawg948 06:38, November 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Speaking of awesomeness, I figured I'd let you know... I took your advice and started DVR-ing The Walking Dead, and for a while I hadn't watched it because I missed the pilot and was too lazy to look it up online, but then they had a marathon of all 5 earlier episodes prior to the finale. So, I was able to record the pilot, and I'm watching it right now. I must say, it's pretty good. I initially wasn't prepared for how gory and explicit it is, but you get used to that pretty quick, and the rest of the show is great too. Good characters, interesting story, etc. (I do have one issue about the part where the main character was running down the street firing a Beretta M9 at zombies and getting a perfect killshot each time he fired... no one is that good... but I digress) So yeah, basically, thanks for recommending it! :) SpartHawg948 05:27, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Busy Day
Well it look like you did have one didn't you. Sorry for not being around, but when a friend you haven't seen in a year calls, I really don't know how you can say no. I spent most of the day playing Axis & Allies, great board game if you need one and catching up. So thanks for being on the lookout. Lancer1289 03:03, December 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Just whiling away the idle hours, you know? -- Commdor (Talk) 03:29, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed I know what that is like sometimes. Lancer1289 04:33, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Removing shop links
I started this conversation on User:Lancer1289. Please explain "unnecessary" -- it's an RPG, players want to know what they can buy.
 * See my talk page for that explaination. Lancer1289 23:44, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Moved to Mass_Effect_Wiki_talk:Manual_of_Style/Planets

CDN comes to an end
Thanks to Changonauta, who was browsing through the BioWare Forums, and I've just confirmed it via my PC, it seems that CDN will come to an end on January 24. However there will be posts for one week leading up to DLC releases and two weeks leading up to the release of Mass Effect 3. I am sorry to see this feature go and you can read more on the Talk:Cerberus Daily News page. Just figured I should pass the message along. Well I guess all good things must come to an end eventually, but I am going to miss this feature. I'm not sure about you, but I did enjoy reading the stories every day. Lancer1289 19:05, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Parliamentarian?
Hey there!

Your diligence about keeping up with ongoing votes is admirable. Do you have a system, or do you just remember all of that information?

When I was in college, I played the "Parliamentarian" role in several club meetings. Technically, we followed Roberts Rules of Order, but we didn't adhere to it very strictly. About the closest thing we did "by the book" was dealing with motions related to bylaws and treasury, and I actually kinda liked it. Amending motions, defeating motions, tabling motions. Ah, it was all great fun. Sometimes I miss that structure when I'm stuck in a poorly-run meeting at work. :P

Anyway, your assumed role of bringing votes to a close reminded me of my gavel-banging days. Good times. Perhaps your unofficial title should be "Parliamentarian Commdor?" Something to think about, anyway. :P Have a good one! -- Dammej ( talk ) 01:12, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah. That makes sense. So much so that I'm embarrassed that I even asked. :P I guess it was just an excuse to give you an anecdote. Ah well. Thanks for the reply, and for all the work you do on the wiki. :) -- Dammej ( talk ) 02:05, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

PS3 Packs
Ok are those the only two PS3 content packs avaliable? Or is the Terminus Weapon and Armor pack seperate from the other two? I do need some carification on this, and I'm not sure if you own a PS3 or not, but I can't find this on PlayStation's site. Lancer1289 21:38, January 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * The PlayStation site doesn't have an online DLC store like with Xbox Live. Anyway, the situation is thus:
 * The Alternate Appearance Pack, Aegis Pack, Equalizer Pack, and Firepower Pack are available on PSN for $1.99 USD each.
 * The Terminus Weapon and Armor Pack is free.
 * The new Recon Operations Pack is on PSN for $1.99 USD also.
 * The N7 Complete Arsenal Bundle is a bundle of the six miscellaneous DLC packs, available on PSN for $7.99 USD.
 * Does that help? -- Commdor (Talk) 21:45, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * So they are all listed seperatly then? Lancer1289 21:48, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, they're all separate items, seven DLC packs total counting the bundle. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:52, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok then. When I do get my PS3, probably around April, I guess I'm going to have to get used to the system. I saw it once, and I gave me a headache. Xbox Live is easier from what I saw, but I guess I'll just have to judge then. Lancer1289 21:54, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

"Slave" Trading
Thanks for catching that on the missions page. I thought I had delt with the guy before, and apparently he created an account before I could ban him. So I had to do it again. We all know what the assignment is called, but apparently someone has their own opinions. And talk about personal opinions. Lancer1289 23:46, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Salarian Blood
Just out of curiosity, does it state in the Codex, or some other source that turian blood is blue because it is possibly from the presence of hemocyanin rather than hemoglobin? I know that when Maelon is shot by Mordin, that his blood is green. I believe that all blood animations from Salarians are green (but unsure if that is completley true). Oxygenated iron is red, hence red blood, oxygenated cooper is green, hence green blood. I realize that it is speculation, but isn't the 'possibly from the presence of hemocyanin ...' also speculation? I also thought I didn't matter since in the rules it says that reasonable speculation is allowed if it is stated that it speculatory in an article. Let me know. Turianfiend 23:33, January 31, 2011 (UTC)Turianfiend


 * Even with the MoS, we prefer to keep any information of a speculative nature out of articles. Unless it has an approved in-game (the Codex, character dialogue, etc.) or official out-of-game (comments by a BioWare dev) source, your info about the various aliens' blood chemistry is speculation and subject to removal. As for the issue of turian blood, I don't believe there is any approved source which states exactly what it is made of; I'll look around some more, and if I can't find a source then that bit will have to go. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:44, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

That's all that I ask for. Thank you for the explaination Turianfiend 03:26, February 1, 2011 (UTC)Turianfiend

Asari Blood
I figured I would just run this by you before we have a repeat from above. But Tela Vasir blood has a purple coloration to it. So pretty much same as above but with asari. Same question as before, does it say somewhere that turian blood is blue due to hemocyanin ...

Snowmageddon
Hey Commdor, I'm not sure if you know, but I live in the greater Chicagoland area. I'm sure you heard about the storm last night, i.e. over two feet of snow falling, and because of that I will be popping in and out today with some frequency as I try to clear my driveway. Which is somewhat easier since I do live at home, but it is still a pain. I stuck a yard stick to measure the snow, and almost lost it. Granted some of that is from blowing snow, but it will be a pain for some time. I also shovel, or in this case snowblow, for a neighbor, who is elderly, although sometimes you wouldn't guess it, and I have yet to start that project. I'll check in when I can, but I will be out for about one and a half to two hours at time. I've been up since 9am CST digging out, and only have half the job done. For reference I came in about 11am CST, or about a half hour ago. They haven't even plowed our street yet, and according to my city's website, there is no guarantee they will get around to our street before tomorrow since they are still trying to clear the main roads. Maybe no school tomorrow then, but I figured I'd let you know what I'll be doing today. Also for reference, my college, which is a community college, was closed today along with Chicago Public Schools. The last time CPS closed was back in 1999, so we all knew it was going to be a bad storm. I'll try and keep up, and I'll be sure to let you know when I'm done. It is also helpful that the sun it out and no more snow for some time. Lancer1289 17:38, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alrighty, I'll keep an eye out on the wiki front. It's funny, wherever I am in the world during a given snowstorm, you can be guaranteed there won't be snow. Columbus has had severe weather warnings since Sunday, yet we've gotten nothing worse than a quarter inch of freezing rain. Which is bad for me at least, I really could have used a snow day this week, my classwork is starting to overwhelm. And it looks like I won't be getting another chance this year. :( -- Commdor (Talk) 19:44, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nice picture, sometimes that is what happens around Chicago as well, we get predicted a huge strom, as it happened earlier this year, 8 inches of snow, guess how much we got? A dusting. I was using a leaf blower to clean off the driveway. Anyway I'm done, but as I'm finishing up, the neighborhood comes out, and then everyone within a reasonable distance has driveways and sidewalks done. Sometimes I do like the neighborhood I live in, a lot of really nice people, except for this one house that never shovels anything. As for your situation, freezing rain is one big pain in the rear. I'll take rain or snow, but not freezing rain. Driving in it is chaos. Anyway I'll be on more frequently now so thaks for keeping a look out. Also sorry to hear about your corsework. I do know the feeling. Just hang in there and do bits at a time, work for 30 minutes or so, then take a small break. That helps me get through some monster work. Lancer1289 20:56, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

That picture
Howzit! I see we share similar majors; I'm a freshman sociology major at Jacksonville University, a very underrated Division I school. Anyway, I'd just like to know where you got/what is that picture on your profile page. It is very nice. --L B C C C P 05:48, February 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Got it from over yonder. It's some early ME2 concept art. -- Commdor (Talk) 06:08, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Emily Wong
Hey there. Is there a reason my edit to Emily Wong's entry under Mass Effect 2 was removed? I can see where it might be edited for possible DLC, but otherwise the information about Emily's cameo appearance is still valid AFAIK. Mojo1970 16:43, February 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Addendum: Sorry I piggy-backed on someone else's message - I simply missed the "Leave a message" button. Call it an "IWEF": Infrequent Wiki Editor's Fumble. Mojo1970 16:55, February 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem. Anyway, concerning your edit to Emily Wong, whether or not the email "insinuates" that you meet Emily again is entirely subjective. I could easily argue there is no such insinuation, no evidence that Shepard will or may or was intended to meet Emily again at any time. Furthermore, the fact of the matter is you don't directly encounter Emily in ME2. Going at length to say this in the article is needless, like adding to Harbinger's article that "after the suicide mission, you do not encounter Harbinger in the game again", etc. It's stating the obvious. -- Commdor (Talk) 17:12, February 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * On the one hand, I am okay with leaving out the insinuation. On the other hand, I favor pointing out that very fact that one cannot interact with Emily in ME2. So you prefer the solution of just leaving the article as-is, offering no benefit to newer players of the game who might be curious about Emily's presence or direct interaction with Shepard? IMHO this is not the same thing as the finality of Harbinger's departure; there is no reason for Emily not to appear again. Mojo1970 17:19, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry to jump in here Commdor but I have to agree. Stating obvious things in articles isn’t necessary and I would have to say that I'd remove that as well. It isn't necessary and there are a number of others who send an email who don't have notes on their pages saying you don't meet them again. Lancer1289 17:43, February 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * (Edit Conflict) Except that she doesn't appear again. Just like Lizbeth Baynham, Chorban, Dr. Chloe Michel, Samesh Bhatia, and most of the other ME characters who send you an email in ME2. Adding to all of these pages a note that those characters don't have any role in ME2 aside from the emails is frivolous. We could say a million things that these characters don't do in ME2: they don't send you more emails, they don't send you gifts, they don't visit your ship, they don't appear on X planets and locations, they (likely) don't transform into rachni, and so on. There's no point. If an article doesn't say that a character has a role beyond what is already stated, then it should be apparent to the reader that those characters have no other role. -- Commdor (Talk) 17:50, February 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I see your logic, except that the reason I don't lump Emily along with all the other characters is very specifically because only her E-mail seems to lead to an invitation to interaction. But thanks for presenting your point.
 * As for not stating obvious things on Wikia, does this extend to detailed walkthroughs of missions? Mojo1970 18:21, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

It depends. Do you have a specific example in mind? -- Commdor (Talk) 18:30, February 12, 2011 (UTC)