Talk:Romance/Archive1

Listing Romances in Mechanics Section
It's not as redundant as someone pointed out, because only 3 characters will grant the 'paramour' achievement, and the romances for Kelly Chambers and Morinth do not follow the other rules. I would repeat them as it is a source of confusion, especially if someone actually intends to romance Kelly/Morinth. I strongly think these should be repeated in the mechanics to resolve that confusion, that's why I put them in there.Killswitch19 03:06, February 5, 2010 (UTC) can you actually have sex with the consort?


 * It's implied sex, but yes. If you seem disatisfied ("That's it?") with her reward for helping with the turian general, she steps in close and there's a cutscene of her hand sliding down a steamy window. IGN Video--avfanatic (talk) 04:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Reminds me of that scene from Titanic.... what? No one else saw that? Is it possible for the two main female characters (if you play as male Sheppard) to get into a catfight? Kap2310 21:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not clear on the Romance plot. How do you have a relationship with someone other than Liara? Example, Kaidan. When do I rescue Liara? Does that matter? What if I just never talk to her?(talk) 11:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The beginning of the "Romance" subplot begins on Eden Prime, when you, Kaiden and Ashley find the beacon. Whichever teammate is your opposite gender (male > Ashley; female > Kaiden), he/she will activate the beacon and you will save him/her. Later, in the infirmary, he/she'll apologize for getting in harms way and tell you that they carried you back to the ship. Give the Paragon answer for both statements and he/she will give you a look of interest. Next, immediately go rescue Liara. After you do so, begin talking to your chosen love interest repeatedly. As you complete Assignments/Missions, he/she will start dropping subtle hints of their interest in you. Generally, giving a Paragon answer will almost always ensure that you pursue their interest. Eventually, though, you will have to make a choice between your human love interest and Liara. From this point onward, there's almost no way to fail the Romance subplot, except by refusing sex on the night it's offered or letting your love interest die on Virmire. King Zeal 19:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Confusion
Extremely Confusing - The main page states that if you talk to Liara after initiating the romance with either Kaiden or Ashley that the next time you speak with them they will ask you how you feel about Liara. In my case this was not true at all. Ashley mentioned Liara but no choice was given. However, Liara blatantly asks you if you are interested in Ashley. Now the main page says that if you show interest in the other party it will end the relationship with the one you're talking to and since I hadn't yet seen the confrontation I wanted to romance both of them. Going by what the main page says I told her we were just friends. Apparently unless you say "Ash is special" your romance with Ashley is over. Not only did Ash not ask me how I felt about Liara but going by what the main page said and not telling Liara that Ash was special somehow ended my relationship. There's no way for somebody to know that you can end your romance with Ashley while talking to Liara. I'll admit this is a mistake on the developers part but I think the main page should plainly warn users of such an easy screw up. It's a bit odd for you to be talking to someone about your feelings for each other and your plans after Saren is gone and all of a sudden you never speak of such things again without a conversation. I'm pretty angry about this if you can tell. Thoughts anyone?--Loscakes 17:45, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * There seems to be a particular point in the relationship when you can sort of string both of them along, but it's a hard note to hit. It seems to be dependent on whether you've just done a major mission, and which order you're speaking to them in; if you tell Liara you're not interested, for example, Kaidan won't ask if you're interested in Liara. There's also a bug I've encountered where, you pick the bottom option and definitively tell Liara you're not interested, she basically blatantly ignores you and still acts as if you're romancing her. So maybe you're right; that section of this page needs to be rewritten for clarity to explain this. I'm sorry if it caused you problems but I agree, the romance path is sometimes a little muddied.
 * I think the litmus test is this: if, when you say goodbye, your romance calls you "Shepard" or says "I'd like that" about talking again, or something, you're good and still in a romance. If they call you "Commander", it's over. --Tullis 18:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't be sorry this is a great guide. The only alteration I would recommend is to be sure to tell Liara that Ashley/Kaiden is special whether you plan on romancing Liara or not. Otherwise your relationship with the human will end with that one dialogue. Bioware dropped the ball on this one. They made it as if Liara immediately runs to engineering and tells Ashley what that you said they were just friends and Ashley just takes it on faith and never speaks to you about it again. I had to go back to a save 10 hours back and sure enough when I told Liara that Ashley was special rather then we were just friends my romance with Ashley didn't end like it did before. They sure do make it 100x easier to romance Liara.--Loscakes 17:14, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ye-ess... there's more than a hint of 1950s "show me more of this Earth thing called kissing" about Liara, I have to admit. Her attraction does seem very foisted on the player. While Shepard at least has a few things in common with Ash and Kaidan, Liara doesn't actually seem to have any reason for falling for Shepard -- enough to decide to have her first sexual encounter with Shepard, I might add -- apart from being rescued which, I agree, is a powerful motivator. However, Shepard is also the one who helped kill Liara's mother, and if you do Noveria before ever meeting Liara, she never asks you to explain it, and is still eager to talk about how asari do the deed. Makes it sort of uncomfortable. --Tullis 18:06, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

0 Paragon Romance?
Is it possible to complete a romance without getting Paragon points? Romancing Ashley for example awards Paragon points for "favorable" choices. So is it possible to get a romance with 0 Paragon points at Illos? 165.21.154.72 13:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Why would you want to do that? It's not that Paragon points hurt even when you play Renegade style. And if you do, your Renegade bar will be at 100% on Ilos anyway. --84.57.115.162 23:39, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

It's good to know that you never actually lose points in either direction if you do one or the other. They both simply add up.

Yes, unlike Fable/Fable II. That just got annoying as fudging fudge.

On recieving the Cipher.
"On Feros, when Shepard is given the Cipher, the love interest looks concerned and wants to know if the commander is okay"

I don't think this is especially limited to the love interest. When I take Garrus with me, he acts all concerned and asks if I'm okay as well. Maybe this is just relative to who you have in your team and in which order (chosen 1st or 2nd in your party)? --Digital Holocaust 13:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't find anything wrong with that statement... Skarmory The PG 23:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Alternate route?
I'm curious, but not enough to check myself...

Has anybody chosen this path: Is it possible to pick a human over Liara, lose them on Virmire, and then start a romance with the Asari? It makes sense dramatically, the going for comfort and all that. - Skarmory The PG 23:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * My b/f got that option, but only because he hadn't made the effort to really shoot Liara down beforehand. --Tullis 23:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Fox news
Near the end of one of the paragraphs it said somewheres basically 20 second sex scene in a 20 hour long game. I beat the game in exactly 11 Hr. 14 Min. 52 Sec. Eat popscicles Fox News! *Cough*I did Ashley*Cough*-CORTEZSNIPER! HUZZAH! 17:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Do we need a transcript of the video? It seems it would be better if we just talked about the segment and included a link to the video? Dweller93 04:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Removing list of books
Sorry but I've removed the list of Lawrence's books and their Amazon listings--I don't want to give this woman publicity she doesn't deserve. --Tullis 21:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I seriously doubt anyone is going to read this then buy those books - if anything it will hurt her because when people google her or/and the book names this will hopefully come up so people can see behind the PR facade :) I've changed it back for now but if you still think it's going to help her in any way after this feel free to do whatever and reply again! But I am serious it won't don't worry. The links are also useful for people that want to review her too (the amazon site doesn't have a list of books by her you can only search and get tonnes of results for people that aren't her) >:)


 * If you think I'm out to spam for her or anything just check the history I'm the one that added the explanation of what "misspoke" means ;) --kittenofdoom 01:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I know you're not spamming for her, but sorry, I'm going to remove them again. Firstly it doesn't really fit with our neutrality as a wiki, and secondly, though I endorse people's right to express themselves, I'm not going to endorse one-starring... because we're better than her. :) --Tullis 01:56, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Music
"If Shepard's love interest is sacrificed on Virmire (after a developed relationship), after the debrief the romance theme will play instead of the Normandy's background music, until the Galaxy Map is used again." – I just had Kaidan die on Virmire, with a male Shepard, and the romance music played on the Normandy. So the previous sentence can't be entirely true – well, I guess it technically is, since the sentence didn't say "iff", but there must be some additional criterion. I did have Shepard go out of his way to make friends with Kaidan, though…maybe that's it? ShepardWhyThisJubilee 07:17, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm, maybe. Though it's never happened when I've played a female Shepard, and sacrificed Ashley after making friends with her. How odd. --Tullis 13:54, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think that the music has anything to do with the romance subplot. The music change is to enhance the tragedy, and to show the impact of the character death - the same reason for the change in Joker's voice when he asks Shepard if he wants to contact the council. --silverstrike 16:07, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And then I played as a female Shepard again, and didn't get the romance music after Ashley died! I think it played during the debriefing scene itself, but didn't continue to become the Normandy background music like it did that previous time. Weird. ShepardWhyThisJubilee 22:29, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just finished a playthrough of Mass Effect as a fem!Shepard and I got the romance theme playing at the debriefing after I'd sacrificed Ashley. Maybe I should see if going male!Shepard and getting as friendly as I can with Kaidan will produce the same results.. if I work up the nerve to ever sacrifice him. 68.35.32.89 13:02, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

What did Ashley want to say and where did she say?
After the sex scene Ashley says: "Hey, Shepard? Whatever happens down there, I just wanted to say... Wait. You know what? I'm not telling you. You wan't to hear this, you'll just have to come back to me." But I never figured what she wanted to say. Is it just forgetten to say in the game or am I blind? And somewhere the have to say 'Yeah, well if you want me in a tin foil mini skirt and thigh-high boots, I'm gonna need dinner first... Uh... sir...'. But where and when? Roytjuh


 * Three little words. Do I really have to spell it out for you? 71.101.142.163 04:27, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I got food? 81.182.180.163 21:48, April 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Playing as a male Shepard, after you first go to the Citadel and are told to track down either Barla Von or Harkin, don't pick up Wrex and Garrus right away. Go with Ash and Kaidan down to the Wards, and go up to the large window in the middle (directly across from one of the Ward accesses, I forget which one. It's the large window behind Emily Wong, anyway.) Look out at the view, and pick Paragon responses. She should say it then. --Tullis 20:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

ME / ME2 split
I vote we clear out the ratings issue sections, leave a link to where it's documented on Wikipedia if we want to, then split this page into Mass Effect romances and ME2 romances. --Tullis 16:37, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * I second that. The whole sex scene/ratings controversy isn't really that relevant to the Mass Effect universe and reads just a wee bit vehement. Maybe the format of the section could be changed a little too, possibly by character. --TheWilsonator 16:47, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

ME 2 reference
Since I know people don't always check the history for this stuff, I'm going to repeat it here (even though they also don't always check the talk pages first... boo!) It IS CONFIRMED that your love interest from Mass Effect will NOT BE A SQUADMATE in ME2. For confirmation of this, refer to the Holiday '09 edition of the Official XBox Magazine, page 23, in the "Mass Effect 2: 5 Biggest Rumors- Debunked" article. I'll post the relevant section in it's entirety: That, btw, was from Casey Hudson. So I think it's fair to say it's legit. :) SpartHawg948 06:03, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Rumor #4: I can't have my old love interest in my squad- Your love interest from Mass Effect is definitely part of the story in Mass Effect 2. However, the squad you form in Mass Effect 2 is joining you on a suicide mission, so odds are high that many of them won't survive the ending. Because the love story that began in the first game will continue to the end of the trilogy (if you want it to), we wanted to make sure these important characters would survive Mass Effect 2.

Is it possible to refuse but still keep the romance?
Is it possible to just refuse the sex when offered but still keep the romance until the end??
 * If you are talking about the events of the 1st game, then no, the romance will not be complete unless it is consummated. H-Man Havoc 12:20, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

ME2 FemShep romances
The Best Buy chat with Casey Hudson link pretty much says flat out (the answer appears right after the halfway point of the chat log) that there won't be any f/f romances in ME2. Since it seems that he reserves the term "female" for humans of the female gender (he calls quarians "female-looking but asexual"), this would seem to rule out Miranda, Subject Zero, or Kelly Chambers (though he notes that she "isn't necessarily a love interest") as FemShep romance options. That said, it pretty much leaves everyone else on the squadmember list (everyone revealed to this point anyway) as possibles, not to mention any other non-squaddie, non-human-female characters as yet unrevealed. Derint 00:14, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

It's probably a likely scenario that a female Shepard can have a romance with Samara, assuming she is available to, as she is an Asari and it happened with Liara in the first game. There was only one f/f romance in the first game, so that's probably the case with this game. H-Man Havoc 01:26, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think he misspoke. As we know there are "male" and "female" quarians I think the reference was directed towards asari. Who while looking female aren't really.--Xaero Dumort 01:45, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

I think the whole situation is strange. It's not as if there is a taboo about it in video games. As long as a potential scene remains short and not very revealing, similar to a certain scene in ME1, then it should be added in. What does Bioware have to lose if it decides to start a bit of a precedent. I heard they did strange things in Dragon Age: Orgins, but nothing's strange here. H-Man Havoc 05:02, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I get the feeling like there was an alien same-sex (kinda) relationship in ME1, there will be one in ME2, but this time it will be Thane that can be romanced by both genders. The German (or was it Polish, I can't remember) voice of Shepard said in an interview a while back that there is a male-male Romance this time, and it wouldn't surprise me if they went the same way they did with ME1 and have that relationship be with an alien.JakePT 05:36, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

I guess that would tie in to what happens in Dragon Age: Origins, as it is possible to initiate a male/male romance in that game.H-Man Havoc 13:05, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * But that was an elf! You can't count elves as real men! :P SpartHawg948 11:28, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

OK I'm going to rant here...

There's a little known game called Fear Effect (and Fear Effect 2: Retro Helix) that was released onto the PSX console in 2000 AD/ACE (2001 AD/ACE). The main characters are Hana & Rayne, two lady Femme Fatales who save the day and they are in a relationship.

In Mass Effect we're told that gender is un-important in a relationship as you can romance a female or male character and even the A-Sexual Asari. In Mass Effect 2 we're told the same thing except that certain members of the crew are specific about who they will court which is true to real life scenarios. However, it has to be said that since no relationship is possible with Tali on the Female character side then I'll just stick with Liara. D382H November 17th 2010 14:45 GMT/UTC

Miranda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fQwgzYQ7Vc

Is 0:27-0:30 enough to add Miranda at this time? You can see a tiny bit of what looks like Shepard's forehead.

JakePT 10:42, January 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm going to have to say no. You can see a tiny bit of what looks like Shepard's forehead. Hardly confirmation. SpartHawg948 10:49, January 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Regardless.... Damn, that part's still sexy. On another note, it could be Shepard's forehead. H-Man Havoc 12:23, January 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * It could be. I never said it wasn't, just that it isn't for certain. Or, as you put it, it could be Shepards forehead. (thanks to you two, btw. I love it when all I have to do to make my point is quote what you said and add some strategically placed emphasis. That wasn't me trying to be snide or rude, either, I intend that to be read at face value.) Until we get something more definitive than a split-second something that could be Shepard's forehead, and that looks like Shepard's forehead, something more along the lines of a statement of confirmation from someone at BioWare, we don't have confirmation. And given that Casey Hudson totally dodged the question and refused to answer it when brought up at the recent Best Buy Q&A, I doubt we'll be getting that statement prior to the 26th. SpartHawg948 12:30, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * YEAH ALL NIGHT GAMMING!!! MPS Biotic 21:46, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

It's been confirmed that the "forehead" in the Youtube video is that of Commander Shepard. This is confirmed through the "Sci vs. Fi" documentary, specifically part 3 of the overall program. Here is the link:

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-sci-mass-effect/60957

I just hope she could be a love interest for a femShep. H-Man Havoc 23:06, January 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's fine. If there's an actual source (I'm waiting till the Sci vs Fi airs out here in 5 hours to find out) then include the information AND THE SOURCE in the article. The problem is that people just want to insert that it's confirmed that she's a romance option with absolutely zero evidence/sourcing to support it. People need to realize that when they add new info about a forthcoming game, they need to add the sources themselves. They can't expect everyone else to do their homework for them or pick up their slack. SpartHawg948 23:12, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

The source IS gametrailers.com, which unless I'm wrong, doesn't provide written sources to its videos. They simply are showing advance viewings of the program before its actual airing. There is another part of the vid that is not yet available for viewing on that site (Part 4/4), I'm waiting for that, as because I'm in Canada, the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission) effectively prevents the Syfy network from being aired in that country. H-Man Havoc 23:25, January 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Again, that's fine if gametrailers.com is the source. Notice I never questioned that. What I was talking about was the spate of edits we've had where people have added in the Miranda is a confirmed romance with NO SOURCE WHATSOEVER, gametrailers.com or no. If you re-read what I said (and actually read it) you'll see that this is what I said from the get-go. If there is a video that elaborates on the romance scene, great. If it's just the one that shows the snippet that might be Shepard's forehead, not so great. But again, my issue was inserting new info with no source whatsoever. SpartHawg948 23:32, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, alright. Point Taken. H-Man Havoc 23:35, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Old Squad, New romance.
I dont know why, but my posted how people from the ME:1 squad that couldnt be romanceable can be in ME:2 got taken down, but Im glad someone re-added it.

Anyways, the Director dude said that those squadmates can be romanceable. Could it be Tali and Garrus? They are the only two characters from the old squad that stays involved with you in the new game.
 * I don't know why it was taken down either. If only there was some way for people to summarize their edits, then we'd know. Wait, nevermind! THERE IS A WAY TO SUMMARIZE EDITS! And what's more, I DID provide an edit summary stating EXACTLY WHY your edits were removed. It was, and I quote (or you could just check the page history) "screwed up the images, and this is info that is already known, and stated above". As I stated there, your edits screwed up the image formatting and didn't contribute anything. No one "re-added it", they added new info. All you did was state that there were going to be some characters returning from the first game who would be romanceable, which was info that was already know, and stated above the bit you added... kind of like what I put in my summary. Now it says that there are characters returning from the first game that you couldn't romance then, but can romance now. See the difference? So, that in a nutshell is why your post was removed and not re-added. SpartHawg948 01:18, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

I sense a lot of animosity in your posts for the last couple of weeks while I browse around this wiki SpartHawg. No offense but calm down and re-assess your situation. Peace. 24.87.4.53 03:20, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry. It just gets really frustrating having to explain basic concepts like edit summaries. It took all of 5 seconds to determine why your original edit was removed, less time than it took to ask the question here. It can get a bit trying. However, not really sure about all the supposed animosity in my posts. Most of my posts lately have been as polite, civil, and restrained as usual. If you care to cite specific posts, I'd be happy to take a look at them. I don't see the need to calm down, as I'm not excited or worked up at the moment, and I see no need to re-assess my situation, as that would imply there is something wrong with my current situation, a premise you've offered no evidence to support. And for the record, I am a big supporter of peace, it's just that I adhere to the philosophy of "Peace through superior firepower". :) SpartHawg948 03:29, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I expressed doubt that I had shown a trend of animosity in my posts (excluding obvious momentary frustration over issues such as having to explain to people the concepts of edit summaries and page histories), but conceded that it may have been possible that I did show such a trend of animosity. I asked for specific examples so that, if I had displayed any such animosity I could concede that I had been mistaken and make amends to any who were treated unfairly. I gave time for said examples to be provided, none have thus far been forthcoming, leading me to conclude that I was correct in doubting the supposed trend of animosity. SpartHawg948 23:40, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

I guess Tali is confirmed now. http://www.justin.tv/clip/d1c971eca86838b0
 * Nope, not quite. All that video shows is Tali saying she will try to find a way to make it possible to be romantically involved with Shepard. See the difference between trying to find a way to make it possible to be romantically involved, and being romantically involved? I'm convinced she will be a romance option, but it's not confirmation. SpartHawg948 06:21, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

SPOILER WARNING! Now she's confirmed. http://www.justin.tv/clip/484ea1edf445ff4d --Kamikaz 23:45, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Hopefully in the full version, her face can be seen..... H-Man Havoc 01:44, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Garrus is romancible, scene here: []

Kelly Chambers
Hi, I'm mostly a lurker but I have one issue that's been bothering me. I honestly think Kelly Chambers as an option was said in jest by that one particular dev as a tongue-in-cheek remark to everyone obsessed with the romantic subplot(s) in the game (part of the forum's "culture", I suppose. From my understanding, sometimes the devs like to mess with the heads of the fans). Considering it's been theorized (or implied) that both gendered Shepards have approx. 3 options this time around and that Miranda is seen having sex with a Shepard in the 'Sci vs. Fi' preview video (which is an indicator to me that she is an option and bear in mind the Best Buy interview with Casey was *before* this clip surfaced) and that there will more than likely be a M/M romance this time around, wouldn't it be easier to not have Kelly up there for now and add her later if she really is? Would save a bit of egg on the face of the wiki, IMO. =] --Mekairinek 16:13, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * To put it frankly, no. We have a source stating that Kelly Chambers will be a romance option, and we have a suspicion/opinion on your part that she isn't. The source wins every time. For that matter, the video you claim shows Miranda having sex with Shepard... really doesn't. It shows Miranda stripping, with a brief flash of what could be Shepard's forehead, as I've pointed out several times now. As for the Best Buy Q&A, I have kept it in mind, especially the fact that Casey Hudson dodged the question of whether or not Miranda would be a romance option. His answer, when asked flat out 'Is Miranda Lawson a romance option' was "Miranda is a great "femme fatale" character. She is obviously very close with the Illusive Man, which makes it interesting for Shepard to navigate a relationship with her. As for whether she (or other characters) are romanceable, I want to let you discover that on your own." Hardly indicative. But, back to the point at hand, if you have a source stating that Kelly Chambers isn't going to be a romance option and that it's a joke, we'll have to consider which to run with. Even if it does turn out false though, I doubt we'll have egg on our faces, we were just taking what they said at face value, as we do with everything. SpartHawg948 20:09, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Kelly isn't really a romance option like the others, 'getting' her won't grant you the Paramour achievement for example. On the other hand this doesn't exactly allow for interpretation. :p --81.191.1.103 12:16, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Morinth as a romance
Should Morinth be considered as a viable romance option, since she can only be recruited during Samara's loyalty mission, and kills her partners afterwards? Tantalus91 15:26, January 28, 2010 (UTC)Tantalus91

Probably not, considering that there is really no extra dialogue or development besides what she has to say when you first get her. None of the dialogue changes no matter how many missions you do, until after the suicide mission of course. And because you do die after you romance her, there is really no record that you even did romance her, because you have to reload from your last save.


 * No extra dialogue or development? Hmmm... I'll want to take a look at whatever crystal ball you used to ascertain that there will be no added impact or record of romancing her come ME3. But, the fact remains, she is a romance option. Not the smartest romance option out there, but she is one. And we can't say that there's no development or record or anything, because for all we know, sleeping with her and getting killed will have a major impact in ME3. SpartHawg948 05:44, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not claiming to have any "crystal ball" but the fact remains that the development and dialogue change only once throughout the course of the game. And the fact is you do die, you have to reload the game from an earlier save, so technically, there is no record that you did romance her.
 * Regardless, just did a little fact-checking (should have done it before commenting, but better late than never!) and this whole thing is moot. The article clearly does not consider Morinth as a "viable romance option", simply noting (after the section on viable romance options) that it is possible. She gets the same treatment that Sha'ira gets in the ME section. SpartHawg948 05:49, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, i figured it was just an easter egg type thing, something for bioware to laugh at when people are pissed off that they just died. But you are right, I don't know for sure if it will have an impact or not. Just speculating.

Romancing Morinth does have an impact on ME3 because you can not transfer your save file to ME3 if Shepard is dead (providing the game auto saves after the romance scene.)

All Interests?
Is it possible to romance every love interest in one playthrough? (Excluding Morinth that is)
 * No. I don't know about the others, but Tali forces a choice. --Fiskn 04:40, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

There is a strange work around for ME2

-Renage have sex with Jack mid-relationship (ending it). -Have relationship with Miranda and complete game (don't talk to tali after her mission). -after the suicide mission pursue a relationship with tali and break it off with Miranda. Immediately after she talks about doing research and antibiotics etc. then it cuts to your cabin. --User:NULL 14:30, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Having a romance with the Mass Effect1 characters kaiden or ash
I've been trying to figure out if i could still have a romance subplot with ash but it seems that is out of the question because when i first visited her on horizon she gets upset about me being gone for so long and she storms off ANGRY and then later in the game she sent me a message saying that she was sorry (i wonder if i can still have the achievement if i stick with her because i am getting ready to finish ME2 i wonder what will happen because my mass effect character was imported, could someone tell me if i would get the achievement because my chacater is still in love with her???

THIS IS AN URGENT MESSAGE

No, I am pretty sure that you have to pursue a romance option in Mass Effect 2 to get the achievment. If you want to keep your romance with Ashley in your storyline but want the achievement, you will have to start a new game after completing your current play-through and have a romance with one of the Mass Effect 2 characters

Does this work both ways? I got the achievment in my first playthrough, but I want to continue my romance with Ash. So theoretically, I can playthrough again and not romance any of the ME2 characters, effectively keeping Ash as a romance character in ME3?

Yeah, that would work too. I did the same thing, except with Liara on my second playthrough. You would just have to be sure to upload the right file to ME3. Too bad we have to wait a year.

Ms. Chambers' interests
Ms. Chambers flirts with both male and female Shepards. I've invited her up to the Captains Quarters and she accepted while playing a femShepard.

It just showed them going to the elevator, then coming back to work the "next day" with Chambers making a comment about being up late.

I just thought she was Bi.

Yes, she's quite certainly bi, this is easily evidenced in the fact that both fem and male Shepard can have Kelly dance and flirt and clean their fish tank. The only issue with it is, she doesn't count as a romance option officially, and there's no "scene" like the others before you go through Omega-4 relay, because Kelly isn't around at that time, she's also not part of your squad. Kelly also has interest in aliens of all kinds, really during your chats with her, you learn she's into anything. Jaline 02:32, February 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Specifically, she states that varying races and genders "don't matter". That would make her pansexual, rather than bisexual. 217.120.178.21 20:16, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but that term always sounds ridiculous to me. Bisexual people also think gender doesn't matter. There are only two genders and thus pan- can only refer to the same two genders as bi-. Totally off-topic but I can't help it since I'm sick of people using that term, especially when so far the people I've heard use it have actually just been gay and have been using it to avoid saying "gay" or even "bi". Teclo 00:26, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do transsexuals fit that binary gender-sex division of yours? There are bisexuals who wouldn't touch a tranny with a ten feet pole for example. 201.58.255.152 17:43, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey watch the language here people we have policies about that. Lancer1289 18:00, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Possible Glitch or Bug? ME2 Romance (M Sheph)
How exactly do you get the romance option, i i dont have full paragon but half way there, naer the end of the game about to go to omega 4 relay and i still havent had a opportunity for a romance relationship (I am male shepherd) i have spoken to all possible 1s and completed their missions.
 * It has nothing to do with renegade/paragon. It has to do with the conversations. There are certain conversation choices which will lead to romance options. SpartHawg948 04:25, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

The Picture On The Desk
Hey i read that your previous lover's (if you imported from ME1) picture is displayed in a little picture frame on your desk. Also, the picture frame is supposedly turned facedown if you pursue a new love interest in ME2. I would like to know a few things:

A) If the picture appears to be black, does that mean that your imported character had no relations in ME1?

B) If the picture is black and the above is true, does Shepard still turn the pic facedown when the new romance starts?

C) I would like confirmation as to EXACTLY where this picture is. I'm pretty sure it's the frame standing up underneath the desk lamp near the left side of the desk next to the little orange and white handheld note-displaying thingy

Please, anyone who has experience with this respond.

A) If the picture is black, but you had a relationship in ME1 walk over to it and the picture will turn on.

B) If there was no love interest before, there's no picture to turn down.

C) Yeah.

I'm not sure the responses above are correct. I just completed ME1 and my Shepard had sex with Ashley. So, I'm assuming that means I'm in (or at least was in) a relationship with her. I just converted the save file and started up an ME2 game with my imported ME1 Shepard, just got the new Normandy, and am currently standing in front of a blank/black pictureframe on my desk. I've walked right up to it and no image of Ashley appeared. So, what's up?
 * Bah, small mistake. There are 2 pictureframes in your cabin. The ME1 interest appears in the one on the desk immediately adjacent to the bathroom. Perhaps the one on the desk that's closer to the clock/stereo will hold the ME2 interest.

ME2 Opposite Gender Problems?
Okay, so I don't know if it's just me, or if it's something completely related to romance.. My issue is that it seems that all the females on board (aside from Kelly) completely ignore my female Shepard, not in the meaning of me trying to romance them, but just in general, because they don't speak too much at all.

On my first play, Tali completely ignored me after her loyalty quest, I would complete missions, come back, be able to chat with Mordin, Grunt, Jacob, perfectly fine, they'd chat about their stuff and all, however Tali would completely ignore me, saying she has work to do. I'm not sure where I messed up with her to shut her out, because I did her loyalty quest perfectly, with paragon options, and without getting her exiled or messing up her father. She just wouldn't talk to me anymore.

The same thing happened with Garrus, where if I didn't initiate his romance line (as in tell him I wasn't talking about sparring, and saying we could test reach & flexibility, that he just told me he has work to do.) I'm not sure that it's because these two are from ME and you learned all about them back then, or if it's because they lock out *very* easily from talking to you.

Also Jack won't talk to my female Shepard much after the loyalty quest, she asks why I keep coming down to talk to her, and I tell her "I'm curious about you" and she just tells me she's not a girl's club, and just continues to tell me to piss off for the rest of the game, even when I had picked her over Miranda in their little fight. Miranda didn't talk to me much in my last game either, but I think that's because I got her loyal again so late in the game, not sure.

Anyways, yeah, I just find it exceptionally odd, why does Mordin, Grunt, Jacob, have no problem at all chatting with me, in fact Jacob I found it *hard* to avoid getting a relationship with him, because if you choose paragon options he seems to develop a crush, if you choose renegade, he seems to start getting closer to you, so no real idea why he kept talking to me. Anyway, my question is: Does being female Shepard drop a bunch of conversation from Jack and Tali, or do they just not talk much after their loyalty quests? And Garrus too, if you're not in a relationship with him, you can't talk to him?

Thane talked to me quite a bit strangely enough, I never started a relationship with him, but chatted with me lots, same with Jacob, is Garrus different because he and Shepard are so familiar anyways? I'm just thinking it's all weird because it cuts off a lot of options to get more renegade/paragon I would think, since you can't talk to these people anymore, Mordin/Grunt/Thane/Jacob all get me some morality by chatting casually with them, but the rest ignore me completely and I wasn't able to get morality from them due to that. Jaline 02:46, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

As a male Shepard, Garrus stopped talking to me after his loyalty mission and Jacob did once and now always says he's good. Jack stopped talking to me after I did the "nasty" with her before her loyalty mission using pure Renegade options. Miranda stopped talking to me after apologizing instead of kissing her after her loyalty mission. I made it a point before starting to play that I would romance Tali and no one else. Jack was just for the sex, not the relationship :P. Besides, she's the one who wanted it :O.

Anyway, I have yet to complete the other loyalty missions, so I can't comment on that. But it does seems that once their loyalty mission is done is when they have no more to talk about. --ArmeniusLOD 02:57, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it has anything to do with gender. Jack had 4 or 5 different convos with my fem ship before she was tired of talking. I think Tali and Garrus don't have many convos because of the familiarity factor. Matt 2108 03:00, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure, characters like Grunt and Mordin talked to me a lot after their loyalty missions on my first time through, however on my second play now, they've talked to me the same conversations before their loyalty missions, this is likely because I'm going back and back over and over to make sure I get the conversations, example: Mordin's sang for me after completing 2 more missions after doing his loyalty quest this time around, however on the first time around, Mordin didn't sing until after a bunch of N7 missions were completed when I was finishing up stuff pre-IFF. I can understand Garrus/Tali having short conversation paths, though I really wish they had more, since they're really interesting characters, Jack I wish had more, since she's another interesting character, but she suddenly goes quiet, even though she's extremely open in talking to you early on after getting her, completely opposite of Grunt/Mordin who take a while to exhaust their chat options, and will talk to you for quite a while, but it seems that with them it's like that because they have no romance options. Also strangely I even managed to get Mordin to give me the sex talk when I wasn't starting a relationship with any male NPCs, though I guess maybe my chats with Jacob got close, like I said, it's hard to talk to him without him hitting on you, or Shepard being very forward. Jaline 03:32, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

I actually just had a long talk with Tali after her loyalty quest – in fact, I thought it was a bug and I was getting male-Shepard dialogue. For anyone keeping score at home, she started by calling the drive core a "bosh'tet", explaining that she had a fever, then finally saying she'd totes link suits with Shepard. But then, I don't think I talked to her after every single storyline mission like you do with people in ME1 – I only started doing that after I'd finished her loyalty mission (because it was pretty much my favourite mission). She seemed pretty flirty though, especially at the end. ShepardWhyThisJubilee 05:25, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed this with Jacob. He never wanted to talk except to cough up his loyalty mission. In his case it proved costly, since I never found out about his background and so didn't realise he was a good choice for fireteam command during the finale. I thought he was just a grunt. 81.178.131.91 17:51, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

ME2 keeping ME1 love interest, Miranda as friend until saving galaxy
Hey, I saved the game just before the talk with Miranda where you can confirm your love interest with her (so your old love interest picture is faced down) and through the dialog you can agree with her to keep being friends along the mission, instead of starting the relationship. Does this mean that you have the choice to consumate the relationship after finishing the suicide mission (this is my second playthrough) or ignoring it and deciding what to do in Mass Effect 3? Armenek 00:38, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

I had the same question, I'm wondering if by saying to wait I won't be able to pick it up in ME3

You can consummate the relationship after the suicide mission if you don't "end" your relationship.

Shepard and the Omega 4 scene.
I noticed the article says Shepard smiles at the picture if you keep faithful to your ME1 romance. This is not true. If you remain faithful, but get close to a romance lock-in for ME2, Shepard will actually frown during the cutscene. Torinir 23:32, February 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ohh, I see. This could answer my previous question. I suppose you are left with the choice for Mass Effect 3. Cool. Good to know. Depending on how acts the other part that does not appear in ME2 (ME1 had a weak acting around this issue in my opinion :P). Armenek 23:51, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I can confirm this scene. It happened to me too, in my second playthrough. I had Miranda close to a romance lock-in. As I said before, via dialog options it ended in an agreement for being friends until saving the galaxy, which I think it includes Mass Effect 3, because once the Suicide Misison is completed and you go back to the Normandy, talking with Miranda gives the "There's much work to do" response. And I have to add that before the scene frowning towards Ash's photograph, Miranda remarks that she hopes to see Shepard in the other side (and you can answer you hope too or that you don't mind or else), and I think in my first playthrought in which I romanced her she didn't to that, she advised him to go to the engine room. So the "picture being faced down" could be more explained (it can be put again in it's original position by telling Miranda you are not interested after lock-in her in and before the romance scene if you don't agree to remain friends). I don't know if this could work for other romances, but it should. Armenek 17:25, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Shepard doesn't seem to be making a particular expression. I've seen several videos of it, and it never looks like a smile or a frown. I don't think the game wanted to pick what you felt at that moment. I'll also point out that your choice of lips effects what you see.HelterSkelter 17:55, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * May be, my Shepard's face was, by default, a little serious hehe =). Armenek 18:03, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

(ME2) Post Collector Base Romance
I screwed up on the Romance subplot in my first playthrough and didn't attempt a romance until directly before hopping through the Omega 4 Relay (when I initiated with Garrus). Obviously, since there is an additional round of dialogue, this didn't trigger the cutscene or the achievement immediately. After finishing the game, I approached Garrus again and got the other set of dialogue (not sure if it is or isn't the same one for before hitting the node) and as soon as I finished that dialogue, it jumped immediately to the Captain's quarters for the romance climax. Paramour was unlocked in the process. --forgottenlord 16:55, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Unwanted Romance
I recently finished playing through ME1 and imported my Shepard over to ME2. Since I wanted to get to know Ashley but didn't want to romance her, I carried the relationship up to the point where she attempts to comfort you after the Council spouts its bullshit at you right before Ilos, at which point I rejected her and thus avoided the private encounter in his room (I also told Liara that Ashley and I were just friends, but I don't think that changed anything). Unfortunately, after a few hours into ME2, I went up to the captain's room and found Ashley's picture waiting for me; on Horizon, she talked about loving me; and after Horizon, she inevitably sent the message in which she speaks of "our night" which I already mentioned never happened. I also found someone with a similar problem: this other player also wanted to avoid romancing Ashley, so he went through an entire game in which he talked down to her the entire time, and still her picture stubbornly popped up in his cabin when he got to ME2. I would like to know, is this a bug, or are we doing something wrong? Is there a solution, short of completely ignoring both Ashley and Liara during the whole of ME1 (or killing off Ashley on Virmire)? Scathelock 04:26, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was recently curious about this... so I did the following -- I played a femshep and did not talk to Kaidan the ENTIRE game. Then I spoke to him ONCE right before the council and the BS before Ilos, and if you pick paragon options, the conversation will end with "do you take the time to get this personal with everyone?", and NO MATTER WHAT I PICK, I say some variety of "no, just you." Even if I pick the renegade option. To which he says "I'll have to take time to process that." Well, apparently he didn't need any time at all, because he was sleeping with my Shepard. The only way to de-rail him from saying "do you get this personal with all your crew?" and thus get into an irreversible romantic situation was to pick a renegade option near the end of the dialogue, which caused Shepard to say something like "I gave up waiting for the good part." Basically, don't talk to them. Ever. Or if you do, you have to be mean. Otherwise the game pretty much forces them into your quarters for some sweet sweet loving. It's lame, I know, but the solutions you mentioned are the only ones -- ignoring, or killing your chosen love interest. --Lilliful 00:27, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * You can't egg Ashley or Kaidan along, you have to nip it in the bud during the first conversation after the first plot world. Yeah, saying "I gave up waiting for the good part." to Kaidan is the only way to get him to stop hitting on you. You can be nice to him for every other convo option though. :p Matt 2108 04:39, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * After doing that, did his picture not show up for you in ME2? Above, Scathelock seems to have had the problem that he was mean to Ashley the whole game and there was no consummation, but the picture still cropped up :( --Lilliful 10:15, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Kaidan's picture has never showed up, whether he died on Virmire or lived. I don't have experience with Ashley because I don't play male sheps (not a Mark Meer fan). Matt 2108 21:11, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * The same thing happens with Ashley also. Your Shepard will say something like, "Do you always second guess your superiors?" (by selecting "You're out of line!") when Ashley says that she doesn't think the non-human crew members should be on board. She will apologize for second guessing you and the romance plot ends. You can still develop a friendship but it will be professional and not a romance. An indicator that there is no romance: In the next conversation, when you hear Sarah Williams speaking, she will say Kaidan is cute rather than you in the message. 74.161.4.198 06:48, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

The easiest way to make sure no romance carries over to the second game is to talk to Liara. When she say she is interested in your character, but was not sure if it was appropriate to act on her feelings because she thought there may already be a relationship between Sheppard and Kaidan/Williams, tell her that the individual in question is just a friend. Then she'll ask what Shepard thinks of Liara and to cut that romance off tell her that you're not interested in her in that way. This is guaranteed to work. And a good way to check if it was successful is to save them on Virmire. When back on the ship, Kaidan/Williams will not say that the other died because of the relationship that the survivor shares with Shepard. For example, Kaidan will not say "Ash died because of us." I always save Kaidan but I once saved Ashley just to see her dialogue post-planet and she didn't reference a romance with my Shepard. 11:30 August 14, 2011
 * With this approach you also need to be careful as to how you approach Ashley/Kaidan. You can still be friendly with them but avoid taking any dialogue options that imply you're romantically interested in them -- for example, the conversation after Virmire, where Ashley/Kaidan says the other died because of their relationship with Shepard, don't pick the "I had to save you" (Paragon) option, choose the "It was my decision!" option. If all else fails, whack them on Virmire, or use a save editor to remove the romance (possible on 360 as well as PC, unsure about PS3).--60.241.148.229 00:41, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

I managed to break off the romance before ME2. At the part where your LI comes to talk to you in front of the lockers, I just chose all of the renegade options and Ashley stormed off. No picture on my desk in ME2 and no email from Ashley. So unless this is just a glitch, choosing renegade options after the Council grounds you works.

Hi guys, I just have an answer for you how to avoid the Romance plot in ME1! I am about to finish the ME1 and I succeeded finally. Here is the tip for million dollars: You can talk to Ashley in Paragon form as much as you want UNTIL you find out that she is talking with her sister about Male Shepard that he is cute and such. At this point just tell her the Renegade option! That you don't want her to talk about Male Shepard that he is cute. After this conversation is finished then you have no options to talk deeply about her family (father, sisters,...) but you will eventually CLOSE romance plot permanently. After this conversation you can talk with her again in Paragon forms till the end of the game. THAT'S IT! Ou and about Liara, just let her know that you are not interested about her and that you want be a friend with her.

To be specific, to avoid a romance with Kaidan in ME, you can say whatever you want to him until the conversation after the first plot world (Therum, Feros or Noveria), the one about where he tells you about Jump Zero. When he says "Anyways. This was supposed to be a casual debrief, not a bull session about stuff that happened years ago.", choose the Renegade option (You're right). Hopefully then he'll leave you alone.UFOTOFU (talk) 01:46, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Killing the Love Interest?
I recently started playing Mass Effect 1 (I wasn't happy with the default settings for ME2) as FemShep, and I don't want a romance with Kaidan - don't really want all the guilt when I go after Garrus, and I don't find him attractive anyway - so I've been avoiding talking to him between missions. However, I gave him a Paragon response after Eden Prime - does this mean the game will place a picture of him on my desk on ME2? And, if that means yes, can I kill him on Virmire and not have the picture? -Archaeic 18:23, February 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I do not know if only that response will mean he becomes romancable, but yes killing him means no picture. Badly Browned 04:54, February 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * In Mass Effect, the romance is complete when you have the scene on the way to Ilos. Virmire is before Ilos. If Kaidan is killed on Virmire, then that means there can be no romance scene with Kaidan on the way to Ilos. So yeah, you'll achieve your goal. &mdash;Seburo 05:02, February 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Excellent, because I just killed him on Virmire. Heartless, I know, but them's the breaks. -Archaeic 16:12, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

ME2 love triangle
What exactly happens when you have a love triangle in ME2? Like if you have someone 'locked in' and go for someone else, or if you just flirt with two (or three?) potential love interests at the same time. Are there cutscenes like in ME when they come to 'talk' to you? Are you forced to choose one or does it work some other way? Kiadony 08:22, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Currently I'm romancing Garrus, and Thane said I have eyes for others. I could continue with Jacob. Reloading the save and ending it with Garrus, I was able to continue with Thane and Jacob. so Thane is picky and Jacob is not? --Hungryghost01 00:26, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

What happens in Mass Effect 2 if you romance Kaiden or Ashley AND pick them to stay and die in Mass Effect 1?


 * Love triangle: At one point of the romance, they'll ask you to end it with the other. Jacob will ask you if you're serious about him, and if so, end it with "the turian", for example. Until you end it with one of them, the romance cannot progress. As for romancing-then-killing, the romance was never completed, and you're not considered to be "together" with them. HelterSkelter 19:47, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

ME2
That is alot of romances, at this point i think it would have been easier to have just wrote down the word everyone in place of the entire me2 romance section, butthat is just me trying to be funny at4 in the morning. Seriously though that is alot, and i think the only reason everyone else wasnt included was for age reaasons, wierd. ralok 08:21, April 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I...what? I'm not sure if I understand what you're trying to convey... HelterSkelter 19:45, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think he was trying to say that there are a lot of romance options in Mass Effect 2 (true...), and jokingly suggest it would've been easier to just say "everyone" instead of listing all the possibilities on the Romance page (untrue :p)

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ME1/ ME2 - No Romance
Okay, here's the scenario: No love interest was pursued in ME2 so there is no "consumation" and there is also no viewing of the picture of a love interest from ME1. What happens in the scene before going into the Omega 4 relay if you have no romance from ME1 or ME2?


 * Nothing, I just had this happen on my playthrough last night. You skip from Shepard talking to the Illusive Man straight to the movie of the ship entering the Omega-4 relay. Bronzey 06:54, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually IIRC, there's a small conversation with Miranda in the command center, she wishes you luck or something. --Kiadony 12:03, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Mass Effect 2 - Bugged Romances?
I spoke to the females after every single mission, after long mining periods, etc but never had any romance options come up until very very late in the game. How do you romance people in the game when they keep telling you mission, after mission that they will talk to you later? I mean I am at the end game now (only Tali Loyalty, Legion Loyalty (if I have time to do it before the IFF is complete), and Integrating IFF (in progress)>Omega 4 Relay remaining) and Miranda was the only one with any type of romance stuff come up but it's progressing so slowly that I probably won't be able to finish it before I reach the point of no return in the game. Mictlantecuhtli 01:48, June 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that conversations on the Normandy update only after completing a mission. I know with Tali and Jack there is only one key conversation which triggers the romance. Remember that you can still talk to everyone after the attack on the Normandy before you enter the relay. In my case in two games Tali wasn't locked in for me until after recruiting Legion, and Jack wasn't locked in until after Legion's loyalty mission. I have yet to romance Miranda, but I never really liked her character. I found Jack's romance very emotionally fulfilling. Just for the record, I never romanced Liara in ME in around 20+ total playthroughs because I hate her character... &mdash;ArmeniusLOD 05:28, June 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah I just beat the game on Veteran (first playthrough, and first time playing any ME game) with an engineer. The options came up but not until those last two loyalty missions. Mictlantecuhtli 06:23, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Tali's Health
I don't think Bioware would pull something like this, but do you think that sex with Tali might result in her death in the third game? She does get sick afterwards, but doesn't seem terminal. What do you think?
 * Seems unlikely. Tali doesn't seem worried about her health when you speak with her. Though a small part of me does wish they'd do it. I'm not usually one for Schadenfreude, but I harbor an unhealthy hatred for the Tali nutters on the Bioware forums. Tali is a great character and all, but yeeesh. -- Dammej ( talk ) 19:51, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can anyone help me with mass effect 1 romance. Im a male and after eden prime you decide if you start your romance by saying its not your fault and you couldnt of know but i didnt want a romance because i wanted miranda to be my mass effect 2 romance but mass effect 3 has a effect if you romance in mass effect 1 and 2. So i chose the middle option about the mission and beacon and now i have finished completing all the assignments in game that arent part of the mission and i talked with ashley and she said i have to wait for her making me think i have a romance with her and this is my 8th playthrough of it to get my mass effect 2 playthrough the way i want. Can anyone help me if i messed up because after eden prime you can say its ok talk about the mission or say you could of got me killed and i dont want to have to playthrough again. 90.196.207.182 16:15, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Generally in ME1, more "paragon-y" and flirtatious options tend to result in the romance, while more "renagade-y" options or "neutral" options don't. Try to be nice, agree with the romance option and sometimes taking a more innuendo-ish response or personal question doesn't hurt. Also, you have to keep talking to the Romance option. After each assignment and/or mission, go and talk to that person. If you don't talk them up. you won't get anywhere.
 * Can anyone help me with mass effect 1 romance. Im a male and after eden prime you decide if you start your romance by saying its not your fault and you couldnt of know but i didnt want a romance because i wanted miranda to be my mass effect 2 romance but mass effect 3 has a effect if you romance in mass effect 1 and 2. So i chose the middle option about the mission and beacon and now i have finished completing all the assignments in game that arent part of the mission and i talked with ashley and she said i have to wait for her making me think i have a romance with her and this is my 8th playthrough of it to get my mass effect 2 playthrough the way i want. Can anyone help me if i messed up because after eden prime you can say its ok talk about the mission or say you could of got me killed and i dont want to have to playthrough again. 90.196.207.182 16:15, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Generally in ME1, more "paragon-y" and flirtatious options tend to result in the romance, while more "renagade-y" options or "neutral" options don't. Try to be nice, agree with the romance option and sometimes taking a more innuendo-ish response or personal question doesn't hurt. Also, you have to keep talking to the Romance option. After each assignment and/or mission, go and talk to that person. If you don't talk them up. you won't get anywhere.
 * Can anyone help me with mass effect 1 romance. Im a male and after eden prime you decide if you start your romance by saying its not your fault and you couldnt of know but i didnt want a romance because i wanted miranda to be my mass effect 2 romance but mass effect 3 has a effect if you romance in mass effect 1 and 2. So i chose the middle option about the mission and beacon and now i have finished completing all the assignments in game that arent part of the mission and i talked with ashley and she said i have to wait for her making me think i have a romance with her and this is my 8th playthrough of it to get my mass effect 2 playthrough the way i want. Can anyone help me if i messed up because after eden prime you can say its ok talk about the mission or say you could of got me killed and i dont want to have to playthrough again. 90.196.207.182 16:15, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Generally in ME1, more "paragon-y" and flirtatious options tend to result in the romance, while more "renagade-y" options or "neutral" options don't. Try to be nice, agree with the romance option and sometimes taking a more innuendo-ish response or personal question doesn't hurt. Also, you have to keep talking to the Romance option. After each assignment and/or mission, go and talk to that person. If you don't talk them up. you won't get anywhere.
 * Generally in ME1, more "paragon-y" and flirtatious options tend to result in the romance, while more "renagade-y" options or "neutral" options don't. Try to be nice, agree with the romance option and sometimes taking a more innuendo-ish response or personal question doesn't hurt. Also, you have to keep talking to the Romance option. After each assignment and/or mission, go and talk to that person. If you don't talk them up. you won't get anywhere.


 * Also, I wouldn't jump to conculusions about ME3. It's still quite a bit off in the distance, and there's nothing stopping you from having two Sheps: one with Ashley and another with Miranda. Tanooki1432 14:27, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Loyalty problems after ending romance in ME2
I was wondering if you end a relationship with a ME2 character in favour of another is there any knock on effect with loyalty. I read somewhere that the spurned character won't talk to you again.


 * Yes, that will end all future dialogue with that character, but as far as I know, it will not affect loyalty. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:18, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Editing romance option in the save game
The Shadow Broker DLC is two days away and it has Liara in it. Undoubtedly it is going to have extra bits for people who had Liara as ME1 romance option. So I was wondering if there's any way to use the save game editor to modify the ME1 romance in ME2 save game? I searched through all the option in the Raw tab and couldn't find anything....and nothing's mentioned in the guide either, so if any one here knows how to use the editor to change the ME1 romance option in ME2, please enlighten me. Thanks.IP no. 59.95.169.10 07:11, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's known for a fact that there will be more than just "extra bits" for people who romanced Liara. The good folks at BioWare have already let us know a little bit about what they mean. Chris Priestly stated that the DLC will give you the opportunity to continue your romance from the first game, and Christina Norman later added that "if you romanced someone other than Liara [during ME2] your name better be Lucy Shepard because you got some splainin to do". So yeah, it's safe to say that there will be more than just "extra bits" concerning romance. As far as your query, I really can't help, as I play exclusively on the 360, though I can always suggest that, rather than trying to 'cheat' this one, you could always just get a new playthrough set up for the DLC, as us 360 users have to do if we don't have suitable ones ready. (I'm actually wrapping up pre-LOTSB playthrough #2 as we speak!) SpartHawg948 07:17, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why would you want 'extra bits' that contradict your playthroughs? Seems like it's going against the whole point of the game. This is what YouTube is for.JakePT 07:23, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is also true. SpartHawg948 07:24, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes Youtube is fun and some of the vidoes there are great. I've used the site multiple times to get information, back things up, or dismiss them altogheter. Still, looking forward to see what happens with this extra stuff if you had a Liara romance. Maybe this hints to a future pack with the opportunity to continue your romance with Ash or Kaidan, or at least do something with them. Or maybe we'll just have to wait for ME3 for that one. Lancer1289 07:33, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Should've been more specific I guess...... :P When I said extra bits I meant dialogue :) Point is that I've already finished ME2 thrice with one character and then again with two more characters.....unfortunately none of the three had romanced Liara in ME1....so, I don't want to start a sixth playthrough for this DLC....Well....the question stands...even a save file would do actually. And checking dialogue in the videos on Youtube isn't just the same.IP no. 59.95.169.10 07:54, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * The only file I have that I romanced Liara in ME1, I already completed, but I also romanced Jacob, so therefore I'll have to re-import my ME1 character.... Would I be able to re-import my ME2 character and it would still show only that I romanced Liara in ME1 and not romanced Jacob in ME2? Probably an obvious question, but I'm not 100% sure. If yes, I can re-import my fully powered ME2 character and still romance Liara in LotSB. H-Man Havoc 12:11, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * The obvious answer is correct. If you use your ME2 character to begin a new game in ME2, then the decisions you made in your previous playthrough don't count. The picture on the desk starts face up no matter who you might've romanced in the earlier playthrough. Only decisions that count are the ones you made in ME1. Anyway, if you do manage to finish an entire ME2 playthrough in two days, without romancing anyone, do upload the final save file. I'll be grateful.IP no. 59.95.169.10 13:37, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just so you know, SPOILERS. Finished LOTSB again with a Shepard that has cheated on Liara (with Tali) and the only explaining he had to do was on Azure. Liara accuses Shepard of "itching to get under Tali's helmet". Afterwards, nothing really happens: the romance scene at the Normandy goes the same as when my non-cheating Shepard romanced her. When he talks to Tali, nothing happens, either. Did it happen to everyone or can someone confirm the opposite? If so, shouldn't we change the text in the main article? PumbaaSmith 23:19, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. Far as the Tali thing is concerned that's a glitch. Check below. IP no. 59.95.169.10 03:23, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Is it a glitch or what?
OK. I successfully romanced Liara in ME and Tali in ME2 before Omega 4. Now I romanced Liara again. After that I dinnered with Kelly (!). It it OK that I can still invite Tali up? SkyBon 16:07, September 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Should be, same situation for me. It looks like the DLC doesn't automatically break you up with your ME2 LI if you choose to reaffirm your relationship with Liara. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:15, September 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Or it breaks improperly. How come could I invite Kelly for the dinner if I was engaged with someone (Tali or Liara) already? SkyBon 16:48, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because inviting her up for dinner does not automatically equal romance. After all, you could just be doing it to get her to feed the fish. And if you're already engaged with someone, the point is moot, as Kelly will only send the message initiating the 'romance' if you aren't engaged to someone by the time of the suicide mission. Otherwise, all it is between her and Shep is dinner and fish feeding. SpartHawg948 19:18, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems to be a development oversight as BioWare "forgot" to code the break of relationship with ME2 love interest. SkyBon 12:54, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Kelly "romance" is unconnected to the others, so that's not a bug. The real problem, though, is the Liara/ME2 thing. I had the same issue, romanced Liara in the original game and then romanced Thane in ME2. While playing the DLC mission Liara makes a brief reference to the Thane relationship, but then by the end she seems to have forgotten about it and thinks my character is single - the dialog actually says "I know you're not seeing anyone at the moment" (or something similar). I was then able to trigger the romance scene with her, despite having and still having the Thane relationship after the romance scene. At the moment this can only be seen as a bug, based on the fact the dialog switches between acknowledging the relationship to ignoring it. --81.129.127.13 20:48, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

I looked at it myself and it seeems to all come down to if you took the interupt option to kiss Liara after you killed the Broker. If you did, se seems to forget you romanced someone else. If you didnt, then she still remembers and, if you choose the option "i want to talk about us", she says she wants Shepard to be happy. You can stay friends or ask to say with her. If you stay with her, she will agree but doesnt want it to be like her and Ashley (Liara: "I don't want to be a bother. No arguments, no choices"). Still, the game is glitched cause you are still considered with the new romance afterwards. Bioware may need to fix that.--Ironreaper 12:13, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, god damn it! I played Shadow Broker twice and every time missed that interrupt! SkyBon 18:55, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

ME2 Romance Lock-in for femShep
In Romance, there's a three-point information on how a love interest is locked-in, but for male Shepard only.

Can someone provide the same information for female Shepard?

— Pepoluan 03:10, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

There are no 'lock-in' points for female Shepard. What it means by lock-in is that there's no way of stopping the love scene with a male Shepard and a romanced team-mate once it starts. There's no turning back at that point, no matter how mean you are. Female Shepard, on the other hand, has control on the situation till the end. When a romanced team-mate comes to her cabin she can still turn him down, thus ending the relationship.

Well that sounded a bit sexist :P. But no, male Shep has "control on the situation" too. I can count about 3 moments when you can end it, out the top of my head. Prismvg 08:57, October 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Care to enlighten me? Please? :D
 * — Pepoluan 09:21, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, they can all be stopped. Actually, I'm not positive about Miranda, but I definitely know Jack and Tali can be rejected. Shepard will tell Jack he doesn't want to deal with her problems, and Tali that he doesn't want to make the risk. I've never romanced Miranda, so I don't know hers. EDIT: Jack, Tali ], and I can't find Miranda's, but in this scene, you can see the option to say "I'm not going to do this" or something. HelterSkelter 14:27, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's similar with Miranda. She can be rejected during "the hormones" discussion, anytime between that and the suicide mission, or when the romance scene begins. Prismvg 15:49, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps someone should add female Shepard lock-in points to the article to help clear the confusion.

This piece of information is significant because you have to go all the way to right before locking in to allow completing the romance after the final mission. And if all romance options are up to that point, you can complete one's romance and then break it off and get another cut-scene with another one. --Lampuiho 08:50, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure as I haven't finished this playthrough, but I believe Garrus is locked in when the following happens: 1) He tells the "reach" versus "flexibility" story. 2) Shepard then says "We could ease stress together." 3) When Garrus says, "I didn't think you felt like sparring, Commander," respond with "That's not what I meant." TheUnknown285 (talk) 22:24, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Bug in Jacob Romance?
In my past playthroughs, I have only romanced Garrus. At present, I am exploring a romance with Jacob for the first time and it's surprisingly nice, especially with the Renegade options. My only problem is after a few conversations with him, there is a point where you can ask him if anything is bothering him. Once I tried to push him for info, he said we should end this and ended the conversation abruptly. I reloaded and pick a slightly better option where he holds my hands and I ask if there's any "I love you". Of course, he didn't really confess anything but he seemed perfectly fine. Strangely, he didn't say "Shepard." when the conversation ended. Later on I went to talk to Kasumi and she specifically said, "I heard about you and Jacob. You were a great couple." Then she went on talking about him being back on the market and wearing her "come hither" hood. So I went back to Jacob and it seems to me that the relationship is still on as he talks about "liking where this is going" and then there's the "call if off" or "stay on" option. But no matter how many times I confirm the "on" relationship with Jacob, Kasumi ONLY speaks of our break-up, except we didn't. Any body knows what's wrong or if it will affect anything? KathTea113.210.67.160 13:11, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

PS3 Non-backstory Comic Romance
I recently purchased the PS3 version, but my code for the cerberus network didn't work on launch day, so I started up without using the interactive comic of ME1 that would allow me to choose who to  romance. When checking Shepard's cabin, I noticed that the frame in which I heard he's supposed to keep a picture of the ME1 romance in has no picture. I'm not far enough to have met Ashley or Liara, but I was wondering what I ought to do here. Given the lack of the picture, does this mean I have no romance from ME1, and am free to court whoever I wish without consequence? or does it automatically set me up with one of the girls from ME1? If anyone has any advice due to encountering a similar situation, I'd appreciate the help.

75.3.143.11 01:58, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * First there is no game called ME1, or Mass Effect 1, there is only Mass Effect.
 * As to the question itself, if there is no picture, then there is no romance. This is the default import, and the default doesn't import a romance. If a romance is imported, then a picture will be displayed, but no import, no picture. From what I understand about Genesis and the PS3 game, if you don't use it, then you get the default import. To get the picture, then you do need to use it.
 * And yes, because you don't have a romance imported, you are free to court Garrus, Thane, or Jacob as you choose. No consequences in ME3. Lancer1289 02:07, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

No romance
Say I don't want any romance. Dodged it in ME1, but in ME2 I have a problem. Shep is male. I want to be friends with Tali/Jack/Miranda and to be able to talk to them. But I got their loyalty missions very quickly, and obviously that didn't let me talk to them about anything else. After I complete their missions, the very next dialogue is about romance, so I either had to say "I'm interested" (while I'm not), or to say "I'm not interested" and after this no further dialogue with the character is available (at least with Jack). So, in essence - I complete their missions, they ask if I'm interested, I say I'm not, and then I can't talk to them anymore. Can't we just be friends? I've had just two or three conversations with them before they gave me their missions. I know there's more, but they give me one choice - either romance them or not talk to them anymore. --44 Magnum 15:39, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * This has frustrated me as well. I think it's a design oversight by BioWare. --Swooshy 15:50, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe BioWare did it that way for a reason, however I have gotten more dialogue before out of Miranda and Jack, I just can't remember what I did. Tali however, not that I can recall. Lancer1289 17:23, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

i'm wondering myself how to just be friends with jack with out ticking her off, when i talk to her about when the guy stayed behind to save her if i say i don't want to be like that she gets mad and won't talk to me any more, but the other options lock me in for the relationship.--Soul reaper magnum 07:44, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Male-Male Shep
Not to stir controversy, but... Is anyone else at least a little anonoyed that the female shepard can have a same sex romance with Liara or Chambers, but male Shpeards has no option? MarcoDelMarco 05:56, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Considering the nature of this might lead, this would be much more appropriate in the forums on in a blog post, but not here. Lancer1289 06:02, February 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, you're the only one on the whole planet ;)
 * If playing Mass Effect 2 on the PC, you can mess around with Gibbed's save game editor to make Shepard female every time you speak to his male love interest. Then pass through the Omega 4 relay as male, and "enjoy" the cringe-worthy scene with female animations and voice acting and bits of missing dialogue. —Lovable Sociopath 13:59, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Just an Opinion but...
Who thinks there should have been a Female Shep x Tali romance Option? I would have I thought it would have been more popular than the other homosexual options. Ahh'well, give me a reason to make a male character. Mr. IP 96.42.198.2 23:38, March 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is the kind of thing that really does belong in a forum or blog post, given where this might lead. Lancer1289 23:40, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Question about Romancing Ashley
I've spoken to her to between planets and even broke it off with Liara right at the start when she first says shes looked into your background. But Ash seems to keep telling me shes needs to clean out the guns or whatever. Whats got me worried is that the only time she spoke to me in depth is right after she finished speaking on the intercom her sister said Kaidan is cute.

I didn't mind at first and continued to finish quests and she started to call me skipper and says she wants to talk but never actually does. I'm at end game now and she didnt come to comfort me when the Normandy was grounded is it safe to say I blew it with her? If I finish the game but don't get the romance scene and transfer the file to ME2 will the photo of her be on my desk to show that I'm in a relationship with her or is it pretty much over?

Any help would be appreciated thanks!
 * You probably did make a conversation choice that ended the romance but you may not have been aware of it. If you don't have someone coming to Shepard after the Normandy is grounded, then there is no romance and there will be no photo on Shepard's desk in ME2. However look at it from a different perspective, you can choose three romance options in ME2 and don't have to worry about cheating. Lancer1289 18:54, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Avoiding Romance
In ME1, is there any way to get to know both love interests, but not engage in romance with them? I ask because I'm playing as femShepard, and I want to go for Garrus in ME2, but I don't want to be unfaithful to my romance from ME1, so I want to avoid any romance in ME1, but I still want to get to know Liara and Kaidan and get those Codex entries.

On another note, I noticed that when you play ME2 with a file from ME1, ME2 deletes the ME1 file so you can't load it again. What if I make two saves of my ME1 playthrough? Will that allow me to load two playthroughs with my ME1 file?

I know this is the wrong place to ask this, but it's related to this because I intend to use it for Romance purposes.

--Cyberweasel89 01:35, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * There are some Codex entries that you won't get unless you romance characters, but to avoid a romance and still be able to get to know then, choose neutral options, not paragon or renegade. As to the deletions, I've never heard of that and I believe that is completely incorrect. I've been able to load the same profile from ME a few times, and yet I can still go back to the original game and play the profile. I just loaded an ME profile that I had completed, and everything worked just fine. Then I went to ME2, loaded a new game with that same character, everything again worked fine, and then went back to ME and sure enough, there is file, still there, still intact and able to be played. You can load multiple copies of the same Shepard in ME2 and it doesn't delete the ME save profile. Lancer1289 01:41, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Avoiding Romance
So, if I tell Liara I'm not interested in her the 1st time, and after the second beacon event, I tell her again I'm not interested, the romance won't occur? Also, if you choose a renegade option in the first convo with Ash or Kaidan, does that make the relationship professional and you can choose paragon options after that without the worry of initiating a romance with them?--J Shepard 00:49, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Ending A Romance
I completed a ME1/ME2 playthrough with a male Shepard, and thoroughly enjoyed it. Its been about a year since I finished those playthroughs, and out of sheer boredom one day, I decided to make a female Shepard and play over again. It's been fun, but I ran into a problem concerning the romantic portion of the game. See, for my male Shepard, I romanced Liara in ME1 and did not start a romance in ME2, so that one went well. For my female Shepard, I decided to wait until ME2 and romance Garrus, but I screwed up. I talked to Liara and Kaidan, and went into both of their romance subplots, and even got to the decision to choose between the two in the comm room, where I choose Kaidan. I am wondering if I can break off this romance, as I want to have Garrus as the romance in ME2 and not get the penalty in ME3 that BioWare has said will occur if you "cheat" on a romance. I have read the main article and some of the posts, and unless I misread them, it doesn't appear I can( unless the "Only a decisively Renegade conversation path will negatively impact the romance at this point" sentence that appears in the on the main article means that you can end the romance when the Normandy is grounded.) unless I sacrifice him on Virmire. I'll appreciate the help, and if it is relevant, I have completed Noveria and most of the side-quests so far. --Guinnessnick 02:49, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

My advice? Kill him... or just load an early save before the romance and pretend that both of them have swine flu.Vault 815 03:59, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the advice then. My only option is to kill the (IMO) whiny bastard since I don't think I can actually  terminate the romance, and even though I have only completed Noveria, I have done all available side missions, and I be damned if I have to go mountaineering in the Mako again(I am a perfectionist when it comes to some things, vidya games among them). I guess he will have to die on Virmire. The only reason I wanted him alive is because for my male Shepard, Ashley survived Virmire, and I just had this weird thing to try to have the opposite sex Alliance squad member survive. Oh well. --Guinnessnick 04:20, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Status of romance after turning down consummation
Okay, so let's say Shepard is in a romance with anyone in ME2 (possibly minus Garrus and Jack) and you activate the Omega-4 Relay. The romance scene triggers as usual, but Shep instead decides that the mission to important and rejects the offer to get physical. Does the romance stay active in this scenario, because looking at the vids nothing seems to imply that they permanently break up? 82.156.214.20 10:37, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes that does end the relationship as in my experience, you cannot get the scene. Lancer1289 15:47, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

ME3 Romances
I went out with Liara in Mass Effect 1 then said to give her time to think in Mass Effect 2 and went out with Miranda. Can I atill go out with Liara in Mass Effect 3????
 * We know there will be consequences for cheating on your LI from Mass Effect, but that's the extent of the information we have. Lancer1289 16:26, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Suspect Inference in the Article
In the sub-section Romance Mechanics, the last paragraph begins thus: "Due to either a glitch or development oversight," etc. I doubt that the phenomenon described is either a glitch or an oversight. After completing the Suicide Mission, the player is notified of the next choice (effectively, continue or go to the main menu); this notice says that, by continuing, the player may (amongst other things) develop relationships. So it would seem that being able to consummate a new relationship after the last mission would be an example of "developing relationships". -- AnotherRho 01:04, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Liara/Kelly "romance" conflict?
Just finished a playthrough of ME2 and something strange happened. I had romanced Liara in ME1 and reaffirmed the relationship in ME2's Lair of the Shadow Broker but when I finished the Suicide Mission, I got a message from Kelly and is now able to invite her up to the Cap't quarter. This had never happened in my other playthroughs where I had romanced Liara or Ash. While this is a pleasant surprise, I'm just worried if my romance with Liara will be recognized in ME3. If anyone can provide some insight and/or a way to check my status with Liara, that would be great.

--Secretasianman500 01:14, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Kelly is not considered a full romance, a light romance is the term that is used. As far as we know, "romancing" her will not affect your ME romance. Lancer1289 01:37, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. As I had read in this wiki, if Shep had not romanced anyone ever or if he/she quit the romance from ME, he/she will be able to invite Kelly up to the Cap't quarters. At least that's the way I understood it. That was the source of my concern. I was afraid that this was a bug and when I import this particular Shep into ME3, the game will think that Shep is still single. --Secretasianman500 02:08, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC (Liara) effect on ME3 relationship
My Paragon Femshep stayed faithful to Liara for ME2. Can I safely skip The Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC and still continue the relationship in ME3? Will the DLC affect the LI in any way?

I've already played the game to death so I'd rather wait for ME3 instead.

Any comments? Thank you!

110.55.0.229 19:15, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well the way that it is supposed to work is that the LotSB romance is to extend your relationship with Liara. There has been nothing yet if you skip the scene. Lancer1289 19:46, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

ME1 Romance
I was just wondering if it was possible to achieve the 'Paramour' achievement after missing one of the post mission conversations with Ash/Kaiden or Liara? Anyone else try this?--thelamppost 21:45, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * They are actually not dependent on missions, they are actually level dependent. I've gotten the conversations without completing a major plot world before, and so have others, so if you miss it, odds are it will still be there. Unless there is something I'm missing here. Lancer1289 00:46, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Refusing Encounter
So I romanced Kaidan in ME1 until right before Ilos. I chose not to have sex with him while he was in my cabin. My Shepard stayed faithful in ME2. Will there still be a romance in ME3 if there was no consumation scene?
 * We have no information on this yet. Lancer1289 00:46, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

No means no
So I was attempting a no-romance run of Mass Effect 1. Liara expressed interest, and I explicitly told her I wasn't interested. Talking to Ashley, I was enough of a jerk to keep her from bringing up the subject. The next time I talked to Liara, I found myself already locked into her romance. Is this a bug, or is the only way to avoid romancing either Ash or Liara to not talk to either of them at all?
 * Probably because you picked one of the neutral or paragon dialogue choices. If you tend to pick either one of those, then you could find yourself in a romance when you don't want to be. There is still a way to get out of it, but not until you get to the Mu Relay. Lancer1289 16:17, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Stop it Jack >:(
So I'm currently playing a male shep because I wanted to go for Tali, and for some reason even though I've flat out told Jack "no I'm not interested in you" twice now she thinks that I'm egging her on and interested in getting with her and tells me that I need to end it with Tali to have her. There's no option to tell her for a third time I'm not interested and just want to be friends, also Tali doesn't say anything about Jack so is the romance with Tali messed up then? --Kyrosnag 20:24, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Romance More Than One.
Hey just thought I'd post this as I'm not sure if it can be used in the article. In my recent game through Mass Effect 2 I romanced Tali first, but as I was at the challenge stage with Jack I broke off with Tali after the suicide mission to get the scene with Jack. I then dumped Jack (leading to her now only repeatedly shouting 'Fuck off!' whenever I try to talk to her) and became available to invite Kelly up to my cabin to dance for me.

However when I played Lair of the Shadow Broker I made the effort to reconnect with Liara, as she was my love interest from ME1. Interestingly though, during one of the Paragon interrupts used on Azure to reconnect with Liara, she only mentioned Tali as my love interest. (something along the lines that I didn't care for her as I had wooed Tali)

My main point is that this sequence of events seems to show two things. 1) only Tali was recognised by Liara as a romantic rival, possibly as she was romanced first. 2) It gave a hint as to how cheating on your ME1 partner in ME2 could possibly go down.Garhdo 09:53, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Re Kaidan Alenko
For those who insist that it doesn't exist just because it's not listed in the Prima Strategy Guide, please watch the attached video in the references, which depicts a scene from an unmodded game, google around for more info and you'll find some blogs and websites backing this. This is not the first time a official strategy guide has got details about a game wrong. Derek Chew 16:59, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Can you sleep with Ashley, Miranda & Diana, all in a single ME3 playthrough?

About miranda's bug
From the wiki: Miranda: "Can we talk?" at the point where she says "I don't know what this is, if it's just stress, or blowing off steam, or..." you can not opt out; every option results in either becoming locked-in, or the relationship being broken off permanently. Hope you saved before the conversation!

Is it been already fixed? And more information, please. How to avoid entire relationships break? Thx. 92.126.104.164 14:08, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Formatting M.E.3 Romances to match with the rest
Just wondering if we were going to format the Mass Effect 3 romances the same way the other two are (i.e. with pictures, categories, and the type of romance option they are)?--J Shepard 11:47, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't see why not. Just a matter of someone taking the initiative. I'll give it a go now.JakePT 11:52, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Won't have the time, will come back to it.JakePT 12:13, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Going to work on this now. Grant Brünner 21:44, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Kelly Romance and Paramour in ME3
I heard (I have yet to reach her yet) that romancing Kelly unlock the Paramour achievement/trophy in ME3. Is that true, because the article right now says otherwise?? 122.57.200.130 11:50, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

ME3 Romances - whats missing
Um... Since save-game edits can open up the FemShep/Ashley in ME1, and this is reflected in a savegame import into ME2 with Ashley's pic on the desk... Does this mean there is Ash/FemShep (either only for imported with the 'romanced ashley' tickbox') or is this one hundred percent not there for Femshep? - Alex Mcpherson, not logged in again.

ME3 "Locked-in" Moments
Just added the Romance Mechanics section for ME3, only giving the examples from my own saves. Can some more people fill in the rest of the blanks for both male and female Shepard? Also, I'm pretty sure I lost the ability to "lock-in" Tali when I did not invite her to the Captain's Quarters prior to completing the geth/quarian mission, but it could have been during the Citadel raid. Can someone confirm the last chance you get? Redraven937 05:20, March 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm really afraid that I've locked in with Liara (the locked-in moment you added for her is pretty vague, I don't remember if she was standing against the rail at one point...), but I haven't even met Tali yet, so I hope I'll be able to woo her when I do? I was just fooling around with my old blue flame while waiting to rejoin my true love... ;) --Tobiasvl 11:02, March 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * - Cortez: when at the bar at purgatory (citadel) you can dance with him and eventually kiss. It unlocks the paramour achievement, so I'm pretty sure you become locked in here. But I reloaded because ultimatly I'm going for Ash, so no idea if this is their only romantic moment.
 * - Miranda: if a door becomes availabe in presidium commons (left wing, left side) Miranda will be inside and you will be able to rekindle ("stop talking and kiss me"), therefore locking you in. No idea, if she will reappear in another romance scene before final mission since I have not gotten that far yet. --128.176.151.222 00:43, March 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Been playing around with gibbed save editor. "Locked in" translates into "true love" flags being set to true for your LI and all other possible LI to false. Here are the plot ids:


 * Miranda: 21750
 * Liara: 19722
 * Ashley: 19724
 * Kaidan: 19723
 * Tali: 19726
 * Garrus: 19725
 * Samantha: 19835
 * Cortez: 19838
 * Jack: 19846


 * It should be noted that when meeting previous LI for the first time (eg. Liara on Normandy after the Mars mission, Jack on Grissom Academy), he/she will ask if Shepard wants to continue the relationship. I'm not sure if responding negatively to this will preclude the lock in moments. However, responding positively to multiple previous LIs doesn't preclude the lock in moments. In general, most lock in moments occur after the cerberus citadel raid (maybe after one or two N7 missions). In any case, I can confirm the following lock in moments:


 * Tali - during the geth/quarian quest line, you have to invite her to your quarter and lock in the romance
 * Miranda - when you meet her in the presidium apartment after receiving the email to meet there. i think you also need to complete the vid conference with her in the spectre office to trigger this email.
 * Liara - meeting at presidium, after receiving an email to meet there
 * Ashley/Kaidan - same as liara
 * Garrus - meeting at normandy dock, after receiving an email to meet there
 * Samantha - locked in after you showered with her.
 * Jack - if you rescued her, she will send an email to meet in purgatory.


 * --Mrdubies 12:27, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * And just to point out that this wouldn't be permissible in the article. We don't accept things like that. Lancer1289 14:04, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Romancing Kelly
This video shows the romance scene between Shepard and Kelly. In fact, Kelly's article and the discussion in this forum thread provides some details on how to romance her. You need to fulfil certain conditions but you'll get there eventually. — Teugene (Talk) 14:46, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

That still doesn't make her a full-fledged romance, but rather a sexual encounter, much like the Asari Consort in ME1 but with convoluted conditions on how to get to that point. It warrants a separate section, if you insist on including it...but then again, maybe EDI/Joker and Garrus/Tali should get a separate section too?


 * You shouldn't be confused with an Asari Consort from ME1 &mdash; whose offers it as a service and is strictly a sexual encounter (she's a consort after all) &mdash; and Kelly in ME3, whose character relationship is well beyond just a "sexual-encounter". Kelly wouldn't have just given a locket "containing a picture of when they first met", reminiscing together, and having a conversation about being together after the war if it's just a "sexual-encounter". If it's anything, it's tells you of a growing romantic relationship between her and Shepard. Her "romance cutscene" may look like a one-night romp but it doesn't diminish any of the points above. And as a bonus, romancing her grants you the Paramour achievement.
 * Secondly, the article is about romance between Shepard and his/her romantic options, not romances between two other characters as you mentioned of EDI/Joker, Garrus/Tali (and Donnelly/Daniels or Anderson/Kahlee while we're at it). — Teugene (Talk) 17:20, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Inaccuracies in ME3 lock-in moments/varations
I romanced Liara in ME, Miranda in ME2, reaffirmed with Liara in DLC. This character had the following experiences in ME3:

Paramour did not unlock for an exceptionally long time. I decided I would respond affirmatively to all romances to see if there were conflict scenes/forced choices.

I never encountered such a scene. Despite giving Ashley the book of poetry and seeing her after every mission (far more than I needed to, as her door was frequently locked when I checked again), she never attempted anything resembling a romance with me. I did not unlock her 2nd bonus power until after I finally became locked in with Liara (it takes forever to get that opportunity), so its possible that the romance would have started after the 2nd bonus power.

I responded affirmatively to Liara at every opportunity. I did not lock in with her until after Priority: Thessia. She leaned against the rail and did not interact with me on repeated Citadel visits prior to that point. When she finally did speak, she and Shepard made out and I recieved paramour.

Prior to that, I repeatedly interacted with Miranda and encouraged her at every opportunity. I had the scene in the apartment and etc. Obviously I was finally locked in by the time I went to Horizon, but from all the summaries I see in dialogue, my Miranda interactions were also identical to what occurs if you romance her 'exclusively'. This includes all the dialogue on Horizon and dialogue with her during Priority: Earth. All my interaction with Miranda never even suggested that there was a relationship going on with anyone else and it sounded in every way like I was in a relationship with her (which was particularly wierd since Liara was standing next to me for all of those interactions).

Liara also never seemed to care about my having cheated on her with Miranda. Is it only the human ME1 romances who care? Because I'm not sure she so much as mentioned Miranda's existence to me.

On a side note, while I was able to bring Traymor up to the cabin and play chess with her, of course I got no further because she is female-only. However, I never had anything that even vaguely resembled romantic interactions with Diana Allers, despite attempting to encourage her and having her up for 2 interviews. When I spoke with her in her room, she never did more than say "Commander." and then ask if she should leave the ship. Does her entire romance (and ashley's nonimport romance, for that matter) only occur after Priority: Thessia? Because that would be pretty wierd, nearly as wierd as Miranda and Liara seeming completely unaware that the other has ever existed. I'm going to import a no-romance male Shepard who kept Kaidan alive and see if there are any variations in interaction with Miranda and/or whether Diana Allers will ever speak to me, or whether Liara will try to initiate something or not.

Incidently, as an opinion, the scene where Liara discusses how she's making precautionary anti-Reaper time capsules is probably the romance interaction I've seen in any of the 3 mass effect games. And I'll note that it was even after that scene that I was reaffirming my relationship with Miranda and that the two of them were still blissfully unaware of each other's existence. Maybe Liara just doesn't care about other women since she's into women too!

71.214.7.109 05:04, March 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Details are still in the gray since it's just over 2 weeks since launch. From one of my playthrough (romanced Ashley in ME1, Miranda in ME2), here's what I've experienced:


 * There's a little hesitation from Ashley when you interact with her. She mentions about Miranda and asks you to decide if the relationship is still on and I choose to continue. In the same time, when I first meet Miranda, she asks if the future still includes her, to which I replied no. After Ashley's hospitalization, bought her the book, visited her a couple of times. After she's discharged, invited her onboard the Normandy, saw her drunk, spoke to her at Citadel and continue the relationship (romance locked).
 * As for Liara, before locking a romance with Ash, I invited her into Shepard's quarters, talked about the time capsule, spoke to Liara on Citadel and there's a romantic option in which if you chose it, Shepard and her kisses.
 * Asked Diana to board the Normandy. Later, invited Diana into the captain's quarters, give her the interview and there's an option to ask her to stay back.
 * Tried hinting to Traynor while playing chess... and obviously she's not into Shepard.
 * Haven't tried continuing a relationship with Miranda.
 * If you realized, the precise period when I did those is not in it as I can't exactly remember when those events happen except for the fact that the above romantic locks take place after Priority: Citadel II and before raiding the Cerberus HQ. That's as far as I can remember. — Teugene (Talk) 07:19, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Mass Effect Romance Question.
Do have the romance subplot complete do I have to talk with Kaidan after every Primary mission world (such as Feros or Noveria)? Or can it only be two? Krazy soldier 08:08, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

ME3 Romance: Liara and Kelly
In ME1 I romanced Liara, in ME2 just the non-paramour Kelly. In ME3, I got the lock-in with Kelly and with Liara on the same visit to the Citadel post the Cerberus attack. If I did the Kelly lock-in first, I got the scene and her picture in the captain's cabin and was still able to have the conversation and lock-in with Liara immediately afterwards (and her visiting the cabin for her love scene prior to the Cerberus base mission later in the game). This seems to be in conflict with what the page is saying. Anyone have clarification? Dbushik 21:06, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

I just experienced the same thing on my run-through of the game and have edited the mechanics section of the wiki to reflect both of our experiences. Not sure if it should be placed instead in a new section called "bugs" since I don't think it was intentional that Shepard can have 2+ romances simultaneously. Someone should check to see if this is also the case with Diana - would imply that it would be possible for Shepard to romance three characters simultaneously without cat-fight since all three would be unaware of his relationship with the others (and not get any renegade points :3 ). No, the other LIs aren't curious as to why he has Kelly's picture in the bedroom and there is no Achievement for having a harem, although it would be awesome if Jacob called Shepard out on it. Will be doing a Tali & Kelly run-through and see what happens with all them pics. Hanafubuku 01:51, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Importing the romance bug from ME2 to ME3
I decided to test the bug (or is it a feature?) that allows to romance everyone after the suicide mission. I romanced the girls in this order: Tali (before Omega 4 relay), Miranda, Kelly, Jack. Then I played LotSB, and Liara (whom I romanced back in ME1) complained that I cheated on her with Miranda. Yet in ME3, only Jack was available for continuing the relationship. So apparently, the game picks the last one you romanced. No surprise, since you have to break up with one squadmate so the other one agrees to be with you (otherwise they say they won't be shared). Will-O-Wisp

ME1 Love Interest Interrupted in ME2
Recently got into the ME series after all the hype about the third game, and I have a question: In ME1 for both my playthroughs, I had romanced Ashley (moreso in second given how I got Paramour), yet given how you can't romance her in ME2 yet can romance Miranda or Jack, would romancing either one of them effect my relationship with Ash before I buy ME3? Please let me know before I go do the Jack loyalty mission. Oh, and how much Paragon/Renegade do I have to be to choose said option in the Jack/Miranda fight, because I don't want to loose either's loyalty for I'm trying to get No One Left Behind during my second playthrough.PocketSnails68 (talk) 10:54, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * In a word, yes. Having another romance with someone will have consequences in ME3. As for the paragon renegade score, that seems to vary as we've had reports from 70% - 85% full needed. Unless you use one constantly, it's better to leave one of their loyalty missions until just before the IFF mission. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:17, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

O.K. thanks. I've mainly been trying to do the upper right choice in conversation now, but if I don't feel like that's how my Shepherd would be or if a Renegade RT pops up, you know.

Can i have a romance with ashley and a bromance with garrus at the same time in mass effect 3 with a male shepard?--Altair2223 (talk) 06:34, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * depends on your definition of "bromance". if you meant straight up swordfighting, no. if you just mean best buds, yes. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 06:38, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

ME3 Re-import Glitch?
My male Shepard was imported from an existing ME3 save in which he romanced Kaidan. In the prior two games, he romanced Liara and Miranda. On this play-through, multiple romance options seem to be glitched. In particular, Cortez emailed Shepard and asked to meet him at the Citadel bar, but is not there; Kaidan emailed Shepard and asked to meet him at the Presidium, but all dialogue options end with the two being friends. Is Shepard still locked into a relationship with Kaidan from the previous ME3 play-through? None of the lock-ins with any other characters have happened yet. Has anyone else run into this problem or know a work-around? 108.86.129.234 22:03, December 4, 2012 (UTC) 108.86.129.234 06:04, December 5, 2012 (UTC) I must have messed up and chosen one of the renegade options back on Mars. Sorry for the noise :). 108.86.129.234 04:00, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Update: After completing another Priority mission, Cortez reappeared and his dialogue works correctly. Kaidan's still does not work.

Romance Bug ME1
Think I came across a bug here in ME1. I locked it in with Liara as my romance by telling her that me and ash are just friends. However, at the scene when Shep breaks down near his locker after the Normandy is grounded, Ash is the one who confronts him. I attempted to talk to Ash after unlocking the Normandy, but couldn't select her, just kept pressing A but no dialogue happened. Spoke to Liara and she expressed her interest in me. When we hit the Mu Relay, Ash enters my quarters. I've never experienced this before, and I've looked for a bug similar to this but haven't found it. Did I make a mistake? I've always romanced Liara, and I've always done it this way, speak to her, tell her I'm interested and never speak to Ash. Sincaral (talk) 04:44, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Thane in Citadel - One night stand?
Just wondering, if in a loyal Romance with Thane, IE not romancing anyone else during the course of Mass Effect 3, will FemShep still wake up with Javik? And will pursuing a relationship with James during the DLC affect the scene with Thane's ghost? Garhdo (talk) 07:59, April 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * not possible to rebound with james/javik after thane dies and shep doesn't take another standard romance. femshep can flirt with james all she wants, but she wakes up alone (the ghost shows up later regardless).


 * if any last-minute standard romances were taken though (like traynor, where you held off from inviting her to the shower for as long as humanly possible) thane's ghost doesn't appear. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 08:14, April 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * So do you need to refuse every other romance outright to see Thane then? And if Citadel was done earlier in the game (ie after the coup when first available) could someone see the ghost and then start a romance afterwards? Garhdo (talk) 09:48, April 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * to see thane's ghost you only need to have no locked romances yet (not talked to liara on the balcony in the citadel, not dated kaidan, not invited traynor to cabin, the rest are mutually exclusive romances from ME2 or manshep exclusives). you can flirt, just not jump into any commitments at the earliest opportunity. you -can- bang allers and still see obi thane though.
 * so yes, if you did the party immediately after the cerberus coup without any other romantic attachments (and, of course, you watched thane die in the hospital), you'll see thane's ghost then you're free to pursue the still-available paramours afterward provided enough groundwork has been laid out. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 18:41, April 16, 2013 (UTC)