User talk:Lancer1289

Welcome to My Talk Page. If you don't find an issue that you have brought up with me in the past, then please check my archives because I have moved a lot of it to there. However I ask you to NOT edit there, just drop me a new message to bring up the discussion again. To leave me a message, please click on the "Leave message" button above, rather than just editing the whole page. That way I know what to look for. Thanks.

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Question.
So, I think this is a pretty good idea that should be implemented, but I always like to get admin approval. Would it be okay if we added a "Loot" section to walkthrough pages (at least for ME2 and ME3 articles), as it is annoying to have to skim through an entire section to find the info. The reason I ask you is because you are lead of Project Trailblazer.

Additionally, I want to apologize for my activity, or lack of therefor, on project Trailblazer. Had I not been appointed os lead of Chronicler, I think I would have actually attempted to help in Trailblazer.--Legionwrex (talk) 18:59, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am going to be completely opposed to that idea because I see is as a needless waste of space. I have argued this point several times over and my position has not changed. I also haven't been doing much work because I really haven't found anything that really needs to be done. There are only a few things and things that often others will catch because we can't see it or we just overlook it. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:10, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay then, I just figured I would present it.--Legionwrex (talk) 19:20, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Blog Oddness
Hey, just wondering if you've been having issues seeing blog posts lately. I'm unable to read them, the posts appear blank and no comments are visible. When I make an edit to a blog post, I can then read it again, but when I exit out of the wiki and return, the problem is back. I think it may be related to a recent update for my browser, but I'm not sure. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:29, November 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Never mind, the problem was apparently some sort of weird browser plug-in I didn't know I had downloaded. Fixed now. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:54, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've seen this problem before and it is usually an issue with the browser, a plug in, software, or most often a Wikia caching issue. Good to hear that it is resolved, but I just figured I should share that. Lancer1289 (talk) 01:57, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Heads Up.
,This guy has broken multiple policies, including using offensive language and insulting another user.--Legionwrex (talk) 00:08, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Blocked for 3 months. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:37, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good riddance.--Legionwrex (talk) 00:38, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Chat bugs
Hey, several of the users and I have been experiencing bugs in the chatroom, mainly messages not popping up and not being able to type. Can you check it out? Nord Ronnoc (talk) 03:55, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Please don't report things like this to us as we have no control over them. Things like this should be reported to Wikia staff members as they can do something about it, we can't.
 * On a side note, the only time I want to hear about Chat is when someone brakes rules. If there is a problem with it, I could honestly care less. Lancer1289 (talk) 14:08, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Vandal Alert
An anon user 50.21.187.202 vandalised Milkman's profile.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 16:47, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Character Customization
Hi Lance

Havent been talking lately. Thought I'd pop a message by and just basically say if need me to make a good edit or two on character customization such as powers, tips that sorta stuff, gimme a buzz, been working every Wednesday-Friday providing tips and tricks. After all, I like helping people out with their problems, and I know I've provided quite a few ideas which some people may not have thought of, and I thought, I'd be considerate and give you a reason to "order me about". Hehe, but in all seriousness, you give me a buzz every wednesday afternoon-evening, and I'll see what I can do for you and the community. Ciao JouninOfDespair 18:29, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have to ask this kind of question, then the answer should be readily apparent. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:58, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

?? Thats not a question, I think thats a statement. Oh I CBA going down that road because that will make things awkward, anyway off to bed after a hard days graft. Oh and its me birthday now on a side note. Bye :) JouninOfDespair 01:13, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

user images control additions/amendments proposal
i'm currently drafting one and i'd like to see your opinion on this. it's basically something that'll place some responsibility on uploaders to tag their images properly while getting rid of seldom-seen irrelevant images tolerated because of "personal space" issues. support the idea, oppose the idea, don't care about the idea, on the fence about the idea, i'll probably post the specifics under projects after some feedback. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 08:40, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * The thing is that people are already supposed to tag images they upload with the relevant category. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:51, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

well, the thing is, if they themselves don't tag their own images properly and leave the tagging to other users (specifically user images), it'll have to go. even if the image is being used on userspaces. cleanup and responsibility are some of the goals here. (MOS doesn't specify who does the tagging, i took that to mean anybody can do it, i'll specify that the uploaders themselves do it mandatorily, among other things) T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 16:10, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually according to Mass Effect Wiki:Files Guideline, and I quote, "Images uploaded for personal use that are not related to Mass Effect must be tagged as such, either when they are uploaded or after the fact." The fact is that I've discovered that people just don't listen at all. Lancer1289 (talk) 16:12, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

so clarify. can anybody just tag some random user's images as User Images or do the uploaders themselves have to do it.

if the latter, then i'll simply undo my attempts at tracking the wiki's old files, let the uploaders do it themselves, then proceed with opening discussions for the second part of the proposal: deletion of nontagged images even when used in userspaces. now that is the part that actually needs scrutinizing since it seeks to amend the statement

"If images are not tagged for personal use when they are uploaded, they will more than likely be put up for deletion and eventually deleted if they are not used or they are missed being placed in a user space."

if the former, same thing really. minus me having to undo taggings sooner. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 16:33, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * If an image is being used in a user space, then it is a user image and counts against the limit if it meets the guidelines as such. If it isn't being used in a user space, then it isn't a user image and shouldn't be placed in that category. If it isn't being used, then it really don't matter. I really see no reason to do anything to it anyway since again I've noticed that people here don't seem to listen to guidelines like that anyway. Lancer1289 (talk) 17:00, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

i did just list "files cleanup" and "uploader responsibility" as part of the reasons for doing this. a couple of others: obviously there's a bunch of utterly irrelevant images on the wiki just sitting here and i'm even willing to do all the hunting for such things (hint: i did some months back and as i said it's a nightmare. and actual deletion is about one of the only things remaining).
 * easier future organization (retroactive cataloguing is always a nightmare and deletion of noncompliant files even if ostensibly used in userspaces should force policy compliance to some degree),
 * increased awareness of site policies (of course),
 * forcible duplicate elimination (why upload the same thing for "personal use" when it already exists on the wiki - this and this, and one of them is protected from deletion simply because "it's in use"),
 * forcible undesirable images elimination (let's face it we get one-time users who upload irrelevant stuff and scram never to return. this and this),
 * bandwidth saving (probably negligible for wikia but still, storage and bandwidth does cost money).

tl;dr: pruning.T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 18:09, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I really just can't see the point of most of this. I really could care less if there are unused images on the wiki since they aren't doing any harm. We ask people to read policies, yet some people just won't or don't care. No matter how much we will push them, unless we put them on every page, there is really nothing we can do to increase awareness since people don't read them anyway. As to duplicates, well that has to be caught and the lower res one deleted. The undesirable image deletion is something I'm against, since if it is usable, then there is no harm, but if it isn't, they are typically tagged anyway. The last point is really irrelevant since there are wikis that are many times our size. There are some good points, but most of this is either really unnecessary, contrary to some other things, or something that we just can't do anything about. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:03, November 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * i actually made allowances in my draft for handling personal images by inactive users that are actually usable by the wiki but aren't posted in mainspace: concept art, official screenshots, files used in projects or as confirmation for bugs/glitches/etc but are posted in forums/blogs/any other userspace. also, good example on User:Dammej's page. in such cases they're to be left alone since they're potentially usable. all others, well, as i said i already did the cataloguing for all past images and i'm willing to shoulder half the work again (deletion is obviously going to be on your end).
 * some people are bound to complain when they log in one day and ask "hey y my shepurd pic deletid". pointing them at policy should enlighten them that they're in the wrong. being a persistent prick should be enough to earn them a ban (can't even do 5 seconds of tagging + potential breaches of user conduct). the rest won't care to return anyway and there's also no harm in deleting their images.
 * the lowres duplicate i pointed is currently protected from deletion since it's being used in a blog. per current rules on userspace. i'm sure you'll also want to have it removed and i'm also assuming you're referring to this point (and undesirable images) as contrary because it violates userspace property. if you also noticed we have categories that aren't supposed to be here but left alone since they're marked on userspace. shouldn't we be keeping the wiki clean not only in presentation but also in the backend side? dealing with unwanted categories are another matter but this issue did just include them because of relation. wiki cleanliness should take precedence over userspace, and we can't do that with existing rules which is why i'm seeking to have some of them changed for that purpose only. starting with images.

it's true that we can't do anything about some things like indolence but we have to start somewhere if we want to have a slicker wiki. we can at least be proud that every user-collaborated aspect of the site is tightly organized compared to other wikis. ah well. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 20:20, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #1
I hope I'm not overstepping my boundaries, but I'd like to inquire as to why you deleted my entry on KEI-9's page. Shepard DOES, in fact, express interest in calling KEI-9 'Bolto' if you talk to it enough times; that entry was not a lie. I would like to contribute what little tidbits I can to the wiki, so I hope we can resolve this. Xiaolruc (talk) 06:16, November 20, 2012 (UTC) (P.S. Sorry, I fixed an accidental double-post on my part.)
 * As I stated in my edit summary, we have had multiple conflicting reports on this issue and until we get confirmation it will remain out of the article. Lancer1289 (talk) 06:20, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't understand. What exactly is the 'issue'? Xiaolruc (talk) 06:27, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * What is so confusing? We've had people say they've heard it and others say they haven't. Given we have had more of the former than the latter, we require confirmation before it goes in. I do not see what is so hard to understand about that statement, or the original one for that matter. Lancer1289 (talk) 06:28, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

My apologies; I didn't realize the term 'issue' was referring to the KEI-9 page. (Insomnia can do that to a person.) I'd have understood right away if you'd specified it as such. I'll look into getting some proof, then. Xiaolruc (talk) 06:46, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #2
I apologize. I have an aggressive sense of humor which doesn't come across well in type. Also, I'm just excited for the weekend. Ctrl alt belief (talk) 08:14, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Two people now.
 * And that isn't the point. There was no excuse for that and there won't be any time in the future. Lancer1289 (talk) 20:11, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Request
Can you please remove the second photo I uploaded? I was just comparing resolutions. http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Corsair_Banner.jpg Sqarkplugz (talk)

A little help with some work.
Hi again Lancer, I've been working on preparing the notes for the new classes as they come out using Word pad, and I'm not sure if I could save what I have done onto maybe a sandbox link, or a file or whatnot. I figured planning ahead will make editing those classes so much easier and also help people out sooner. At the moment I've just finished the "Asari Huntress Infiltrator" and I've also done the Drell Infiltrator and Quarian Soldier and I just need to do the Batarian Adept, Turian Engineer, and Volus Vanguard, which I will do at some point today or tomorrow.

Basically long story short, I need to find a place to save these things, so that when the classes DO come out, you, and I and other people can access that data swiftly, and put that straight into the Character Customization pages. Do you know what I'd need to do to do this? Thanks JouninOfDespair 13:09, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why do you keep doing this? You do not need my permission to make every little edit. And more to the point, how can you make notes for something that isn't even out yet? We do not accept leaked information, which is the only way you could have gotten it. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:56, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, your not getting my point. I'm not ASKING for permission. I'm asking if its possible to store it somewhere. Anyhow, I got the info because the powers are posted below in the multiplayer y'know the bit with the links TO the characters. So because they are in a word pad ready to be uploaded when needed, I'm not breaking any policy, I'm preparing myself, like a farmer prepares his crops for the long winter. Please do not take me the wrong way. I learned that leaked info back on the CoD wikia. So to reiterate, I got this info on my own general assumptions - NOT from leaked information on the internet, well in a sense I guess it was because the powers of each class that isnt out yet is posted on the Wikia. BUT POINT BEING I havent broken any leaked policy agreement rule. Thank you :) JouninOfDespair 22:36, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, you are creating notes for characters you haven't played with? How is that logical? I don't care where you get the info from. It is leaked information and isn't permitted. I will not allow you to put notes on for characters that you haven't played with as that defeats the purpose of them. "Assumptions" = speculation, which isn't permitted. Your "analogy" isn't one, it is a bad attempt to try and relate it to something. If this is what you have been doing, then I will tell you to remove all notes you have added for classes that you haven't played with. That defeats the purpose of them and is dishonest to say the least. Lancer1289 (talk) 22:41, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I want an answer to those questions. Now. Lancer1289 (talk) 23:04, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh for the love all things holy. I HAVENT put leaked info on this wikia, I've merely put them in a word pad, ready for when it DOES need to be added, or is ALLOWED to be added. Please do not start having a go at me for something I havent done man, I have not ONCE uploaded any information on any classes or anything that has not been released yet. All my information I HAVE added during my 600 edits have been explicitly based on the items that are already up I.E the weapons, the classes that HAVE been released. Yes I HAVE created notes, in a word pad, but I have NOT put that info up on the wikia. Its logical because then when they HAVE been released and I've been given the all clear to put up that info, THEN and ONLY then, will I put the info up on the wikia. Do you understand me now Lancer1289, or are we going to fast fall out? I surely hope not! Because as said, I cannot stand being accused of something I have not done, that makes my blood boil! JouninOfDespair 23:45, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * And you have failed to answer my questions, which is what I asked you to do. Are you writing notes for classes that you haven't played yet? And have you been doing this? How can you write notes for classes that haven't even been released yet and ones that you haven't played yet? If you haven't played the class, then you do not have a right to make notes about it. Now either answer those questions, or I have enough reasonable doubt to remove a large amount of your edits. Lancer1289 (talk) 23:57, November 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * What else do I need to say? Right I'll explain this as simply as I possibly can. The edits I've done on this wikia, have all been within the boundaries of policy and regulations. I AM writing notes on the Asari Huntress, Drell Assassin and Quarian Soldier, but they are on a WORDPAD program on my computer, like microsoft word. Those classes have not been leaked in any way shape or form, and certainly not by me. The notes on the WORDPAD program will be added, but only when we are given the all clear to do so. Basically take a look at the link here: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect_3_Multiplayer/Character_Customization#Retaliation  The powers are described here, I took the opportunity to open a wordpad as said, and write down the classes general notes for all three of the classes mentioned.

As for the edits on classes like the Vorcha Engineer which was already out, the Asari Valkyrie, which is also out, the Volus Engineer and Adept, which both are already out and I only started editing usually a day after they did come out. I will only make edits when I'm 100% confident we are not going into the "Leaked information" policy issue. As said, think of a farmer preparing his crops for the winter ahead. I'm preparing the information on the classes that HAVENT come out yet, yes, I'm doing that on the WordPad accessories program, but I am NOT putting said information onto the wikia, until at least a day or two after the classes in question have been released. Please tell me you understand now Lancer, because this is genuinely becoming painful for me. JouninOfDespair 00:09, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * So you are posting and preparing notes when you have no idea how the classes will play, you haven't played them, and which aren't even out YET? HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE. You are posting things when you have no idea if they even work. How long have you been doing this?
 * Your analoyg isn't an anology, it is an excuse for you to post false and misleading information. Now either answer my two questions, and only those two questions, which I will post below or do not reply.
 * So you are posting and preparing notes when you have no idea how the classes will play, you haven't played them, and which aren't even out YET?
 * How long have you been doing this?
 * Now that is what I want you to answer. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:13, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Only today. I have not done this for ANY other class/race or species. If thats what you want. And I'm not "posting" anything as I said. I've just put notes standing by, remember, like anything those can be changed at will, so if its not what I thought it'd be, then I can edit those at will, get it? JouninOfDespair 00:16, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * So you are telling me that everything you have been posting for however long now you tested before you posted? And use indents properly. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:17, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Facepalm*. No. I have only taken notes of those 3 classes TODAY around 12:00pm GMT time (12 hours from now). I have not been doing that for the other retaliation classes, I waited at least 24 hours for the other classes like the volus adept/engineer, or asari valkyrie before I put myself into doing something serious. Btw please dont be too much longer, I have job centre in the morning and I really need to be getting to bed. JouninOfDespair 00:20, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * First, lose the attitude because it is not remotely helping you at this point. So then I can say that everything you have put into articles you have tested? That you played with the characters? Tested their powers? And tested all of the weapons? And that you somehow managed to get all of the new classes and weapons within a day of them being released? I am going on questions and answers right now and I will not comment on any point further until I have the answers I want. So either answer them, using proper indents, it is not that hard, or I will go off of the information I have. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:25, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did unlock those characters very luckily admittedly, I got all the classes the day they came out, I tested them, tried some techniques, and yes, I got a lot of information from them. I WAS also going to put in that there was a glitch with the new Retaliation DLC characters where sometimes you would end up getting more skill points than normal, and you'd end up with all five skills maxed out, but figured thats not logical. I noticed the invulnerability gained for that brief second like usings shield ops survival pack when using shield boost, I noticed the information that you can only get UP 90% damage protection from the same power (and others combined). And I most certainly noticed that the Incinerate power has range over the Flamer. I do play ME3 regularly you know. How else would I get the info? I have a very, VERY sharp eye for details. JouninOfDespair 00:29, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict x2) Ok now that you have actually given me a straight answer, I will ask more questions and get the answer to those.
 * How can you prepare notes for classes that are not even out yet? You cannot have tested the powers, or how they play so why even make notes for something that you have not played or used? Lancer1289 (talk) 00:33, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, given it does seem far-fetched, but some of those classes uses the same powers OTHER classes use, take a good look at the main character customization screen look through each one carefully. If it was powers I havent even heard of, then yes I wouldnt even bother, I'd be wasting my time. Your right that I obviously havent played the classes, but I HAVE used their powers since I used other classes that have them, such as the N7 demolishers Homing Grenades which Drell Assassins have, or the Recon Mine the Volus Engineer has. I know how they work, and I've played with friends who've also used the classes that are out. Remember, the notes in the word pad are only grass roots. If I need to edit them, I can at will, and it will save me so much more time than writing it all out from scratch after playing with those classes. I'm not all dim-wits and no sense :) JouninOfDespair 00:39, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * So you are making notes based on assumptions and guesswork? That is not logical since the only way you could have gotten them is off of leaked information. If you post any notes within 72 hours of new class releases, I will remove them for being based off of leaked information. It does not matter what powers they have, or anything else. The fact remains the only way you can even put any of these notes up is if you test them first and that is based off of you getting them quickly. The only way you can post notes is if you test everything first, so that does mean starting from scratch. There is no cheating here. I will now take every edit that you do with a severe grain of salt. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:45, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * So if I HAVE tested something, I can put it up, but if I HAVENT I can't? Is that what your saying? *Sigh* Why is it I'm always hindered in some way or another. May as well be saying if you havent tested it that I'm gonna get smacked with a baseball bat, this is what I get for being extremely observant. Its not ALL guesswork and assumptions like you think it is, sometimes I know that information because I look at the numbers, calculate it using a calculator and say this does x amount of damage like with the Overload for the Geth Engineer way back in I think the Earth DLC? I am disappointed suffice to say. Very disappointed this is the way it has to go down. JouninOfDespair 00:51, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. The point is that you should test it before you put something up. How is that no a reasonable or a logical request? It is common sense that you test something before you post not. Not look at numbers. What you were thinking, and possibly doing, completely lacks common sense. Lancer1289 (talk) 01:02, November 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * You seem to have a lot of anger issues with not just him, but me as well. That is what I have noticed about you Lancer, you seem to have a fairly short fuse and always seem to fly off the handle at just about anything. I've had anger issues too, but I've at least learned to control myself. Plus you pretty much flat out threatened me that unless I test something you will remove any edit I make. If I've seen it for myself, and I know my stuff and put an edit up even though it is correct or only slightly wrong, you will remove that edit. You'll claim it was leaked information, which is completely different from undoing something based on lack of proof. That is a very serious problem Lancer. I'm sorry but some people are going to lose respect for you as an admin soon, and I'm not just referring to myself. Consider this constructive criticism of your personal self. I'm not downright slagging you off here, I'm giving you a little insight. Seriously. Given, spamming blog messages isnt the most constructive thing, but neither is threatening to undo edits for "leaked information" when I would be doing it within the boundaries of "leaked information policies". JouninOfDespair 22:52, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Please do not put comments in a section that has nothing to do with it. That entire comment was completely off base from the entire topic and was not relevant there.
 * The fact is that what you were planning to do was a very serious problem, one that was both dishonest, and hurtful to the wiki. You would put in notes that you have not tested and will not test. You would have put in notes based on your assumptions, and that is not right. It is expected that you test the things you are putting in notes to see if they work. Not just put in notes based on assumptions. All of the notes you were/still are making about classes that have not been released are based on leaked information, and that would not be tolerated, either before or after the fact. It is expected that you test the things, and you apparently think that is a completely unreasonable request. Lancer1289 (talk) 23:17, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * How dare you! You cannot judge me based on a few notes, and you certainly dont have any proof that I would not test something. HOW DARE YOU! You just think I cant change, and you just think I wouldnt test and prove that something is right and that DEEPLY offends and angers me! I can truly say I have no respect for you now whatsoever. You are a judgemental, obnoxious, unreasonable weak excuse for an admin, and all I can say is that I TRULY hope one day you take a severe look in the mirror and see what you have effectively become! ALMOST EVERY EDIT I MADE I MADE SURE IT WAS CORRECT and NOW you have the audacity and the nerve to say I based my notes on leaked information, which is NOT true, you have on your multiplayer customization page the powers of every power that even the classes that havent been released have got, that is NOT leaked information. You could say my information is ILLEGAL because its before the classes are released but it is NOT based on leaked information. I feel sorry for the poor people who've been unjustly accused, and probably punished because of you. You have absolutely NO idea at all. All the gear and no idea! You genuinely have angered me and that doesnt happen often but when I do, its like detonating an atom bomb! And to get my respect again will be nigh impossible. All the other admins I dont care, I havent really talked to them, I have no qualms with them, my beef is now with you, YOU have made this personal! JouninOfDespair 03:14, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have made this personal? Take a good, hard look because I am not the one yelling here about something that they were indeed planning and admitting that they were going to do. You were planning on putting notes for classes into articles that you never would have tested with that class can call them genuine.
 * If anyone needs to look in a mirror it is you. You are the one who made this personal a long time ago with your comments. You flat out admitted and I quote "I've been working on preparing the notes for the new classes, "I've just finished the "Asari Huntress Infiltrator" and I've also done the Drell Infiltrator and Quarian Soldier and I just need to do the Batarian Adept, Turian Engineer, and Volus Vanguard", and "I AM writing notes on the Asari Huntress, Drell Assassin and Quarian Soldier". You flat out admitted to using leaked information to create notes for classes, make assumptions for them and how they would play with those powers based on their power listing, again from leaked information, and then planned to put that into articles without even testing them. How is that honest? Answer me that? How is that honest?
 * You were going to put information that was not even tested into article based on assumptions and how they work with other classes. "I got this info on my own general assumptions" not from testing and authenticating. It does not matter how those powers worked with other classes, what matters is how they will work with that class. You were activelly making notes for classes that were not released based on assumptions and a simple list.
 * You already lost my respect when you admitted that you were working on notes for unreleased characters, from leaked information, then planned to put those notes into articles and then say that "I tested all of this information so you can take it as you will". You have the audacity to say that is honest and proper is really just infuriating. That is blatantly dishonest because you are admitting that you are basing them off of how they have worked with other classes, and not how they have worked with that class.
 * And FYI, the expectation that all editors putting in player notes that they have tested was the standard from the beginning. I have actually not unjustly accused, or punished anyone. You are saying that because this has become personal for you. You are the one who is basically chewing me out for stopping you from putting information in that you have not tested and admitted that you have not tested.
 * And the fact that I made this personal is really quite laughable with what you just put on your user page. The facts are plain as day, but you cannot see them. This is your personal affair because you were going to cause problems with edits based on assumptions, speculation, and that were not tested. If someone put something in an article that they had not tested, and it got you killed, would you not say something? Would you not be angry? That is exactly what you were going to do. Just look at what you said again and tell me that is not what you were planning on doing. Putting notes into an article based on assumptions, not actual testing. Lancer1289 (talk) 03:33, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * All I have to say to you is you have it completely wrong and I would test something before it was done, after all, I need proof it actually works. And you are not a real admin. You are scum. And always will be. You are nothing but a judgemental, obnoxious, and completely ignorant waste of good genes. I thought I got away from all this aggravation when I left the CoD wikia, apparantely not. Its now taken the form of you. Oh and heres another thing, unlike you, I've been making huge edits on those class pages legitimately, while you just sit back on your high horse doing little or nothing to help those pages, even after classes have been out for 3-6 months. 33k edits? So what. Most of it is undoing stuff, or small bits of information that arent even useful. And the fact you want to do a complete and utter smear job on me before I did to you. Thats the icing on the cake. After this, you can stay away from my page. Because I dont want people like you on it. And likewise, I'm going to avoid this page like the plague, because I want to work with people who are genuine, who are reasonable, and arent complete morons, because when that person accuses me of doing something wrong when I am really not, or even worse still, accuses me of planning on putting a huge stack of notes up untested, then that person has made it abundantly clear they are not a real editor. JouninOfDespair 10:22, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Project Collective head position appointing
Lancer, I know you're probably still mad at me about me lying to your face, but hear me out; Project Collective's head, Mr. mittens, has been MIA for quite some time now, and Collective needs a new leader. so I suggest allowing myself to take the position. I'm a good leader, and I can get people to do things. Of course, I'll return the position to Mr. mittens, if he returns. I hope you consider this both a suggestion and an apology for my behavior a few months ago. I am truly, truly, truly sorry for lying to you. And again, please consider this both a suggestion and an apology--TW6464 (talk) 18:10, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * No. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:37, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * oh...... Ok......--TW6464 (talk) 19:41, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #3
As an entirely outside advisor, may I ask both why not and what was the lie? 109.144.161.53 20:55, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * He basically committed himself to a massive wiki-wide project, then backed out saying he didn't have the time to commit to it citing school commitments. He then, in the three days since he pulled out until I called him out, continues to spam the blogs making 26 edits on one day, then over 40 on the other two, the vast majority on the blogs. Now I said to myself, if you have the time to continue reading blog comments, make over 40 blog posts per day, then you most certainly do have the time to commit to this project. So I call him out on it, then he admits flat out that he lied.
 * I then look at his edit count as of today, which is 1701, of that 1,363 are blog comments. That is more blog comments in 3 odd months than I have in almost 3 years. It was clear where his priorities are. He just wants to socialize, not contribute to the site apart from socializing. For reference, he has just 93 mainspace edits, and all of them are small, correction type edits, or have been undone entirely. I am still livid at him because of this. Lancer1289 (talk) 22:13, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Question.
So... why'd you withdraw? I mean, I know it was very annoying to deal with, and that we were in the minority, but is has only been a day. If it is something personal or whatever, feel free not to answer.--Legionwrex (talk) 17:52, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * It was a combination of things. I won't go into it but it was causing problem after problem and it was just better to do it this way. Lancer1289 (talk) 17:56, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Project Trailblazer
I'd like to apply for Project Trailblazer. I've taken to editing walkthroughs a lot lately, and feel it is where I could help contribute sufficiently. Thanks in advance, Sqarkplugz (talk)

Troll
This moron here goes on some personal trolling on Milkman's page. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  21:38, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * It was already taken care of. Lancer1289 (talk) 21:41, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Legionwrex's behavior
He decided to throw a fit and troll other people because the Walking Dead, a episodic downloadable game, has won GOTY on Spike TV's VGAs. Could you tell him to end that kind of behavior?
 * I will look into the matter and deal appropriately. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:25, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * It wasn't really much of a fit (I thought it wasn't at least) but I am truly sorry for causing an incident. Please view my talk page for my full response.--Legionwrex (talk) 19:40, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

So....
Am I forgiven? Are we good? I know the incident itself is over, and I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I know you are the type of person whose respect and forgiveness is hard to earn back.--Legionwrex (talk) 20:34, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you are going to keep pestering me, then it will not help. Lancer1289 (talk) 20:51, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I will let you be.--Legionwrex (talk) 20:53, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

The contribution you deleted
About my contribution to Omega: Aria T'Loak article. I reported that glitch based on what I have encountered when I played that mission. What are the confirmations you need in order to approve my contribution

A reminder in case you forgot

For v1.04 only, if Shepard's a Vanguard, try to limit the use of Biotic Charge as much as possible. Because there is a glitch that will cause Shepard to die instantly when Biotic Charge is used during this particular part of the level.
 * What is needed is clearly listed in site policies. Lancer1289 (talk) 04:19, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

If you checkout the Talk page of the article, you'll see that I'm right about that glitch and I'm not the only one experiencing it. I just tried to warn people because that particluar one is really frustrating. Being a Mass Effect Veteran myself, I've known the game and its glitches well enough to differentiate between persistent glitches and the glitches that happen only once. I've encountered tons of glitches when I played each game in the trilogy but this is the only glitch I reported because it happened four times in a row
 * Irrelevant. Site policy is site policy. Lancer1289 (talk) 04:41, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Was this the rule you were talking about | Manual Of Style
 * Really? There is nothing else in there for this... Lancer1289 (talk) 04:56, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Then could you tell me where to find the site policy
 * And it is expected that before someone edits, that person reads all of our policies and can find them. Lancer1289 (talk) 05:01, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Can you please take it easy on me as I am new to this. I can't be the first one to make such a mistake and I certainly won't be the last. All I ask of you is a link to the mentioned policy. I read the Term of use and the style guide and still couldn't find anything that would indicate that the information I provided is in violation of any of the site's rules

Archiving My Talk Page.
The title says it all. How would I go about doing this?--Legionwrex (talk) 16:37, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * By creating a like like User talk:Legionwrex/Archive . Paste that into your user page/talk page, hit preview, then just open the red link in a new tab. Copy paste all of the information, then save the archive, then save the page where you put the red link. Preferably your talk page. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:47, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Legionwrex (talk) 18:53, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Martolives Behavior.
His behavior on this blog has gotten out of hand. He has repeatedly insulted both me and Nord, please talk to him about this.--Legionwrex (talk) 19:46, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm going to do things about it, but your behavior was also not above reproach. While not as bad, not even close, it was still something that didn't help. Lancer1289 (talk) 20:29, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I just didn't want to lye down and take it. It was a stupid thing to do.--Legionwrex (talk) 20:31, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * And there are times where you are just going to have to suck it up. Your behavior of late has been a concern and I would highly suggest calming down and avoiding the blogs for a while. You are getting very hot headed quickly of late and if it continues, then there is going to be a problem. Lancer1289 (talk) 20:38, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Point taken. Maybe focusing on some mainspace edits will do me and the wiki some good. I don't want to cause problems, I am here to try and help.--Legionwrex (talk) 20:43, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #4
My contribution.

It's not "subjective." Did you even look at the reference link? Jon Briddel looks identical to the face of the Illusive Man, and pictures from Mass Effect 2 are even included in the IMDB photo gallery on his page.
 * And a third person who can't follow simple instructions.
 * As to the point it is subjective. That is nothing but subjective. Even then, IMDb is not even remotely an acceptable source. Lancer1289 (talk) 03:17, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

A Tribute
We all saw Mr. Mittens's post on Gavin's talk page, about him being brain dead and all. So I was kinda hoping we can do a memorial service or something to honor his memory. I don't have many ideas about how exactly we can deliver a fitting tribute, maybe a blog or a forum? We just want to know if such a thing will be approved by the admins.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 15:34, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Anon comment
Hello there Lancer. I have left a comment on this blog, and the second reply to it is my anon, an accidental edit, when I assumed I was still signed on. Could you please delete it for me? Thanks man.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SpartHawg948/Seriously%3F%3F%3F

&#123;&#123;SUBST:User:TheOddMusketeer/sig2&#125;&#125; (talk) 20:15, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Question about a certain user....
I have been in contact with User:Ralok recently, and he genuinely seems to have changed. He is admitting that his ban was just and that he deserved it. I think he is ready to be introduced back into the community through the ban review panel, and he says he would mainly focus on editing and avoid blogs and whatnot, another good sign.

Anyways, I am just bringing this up because I know Sparthawg has been considering it for awhile now, and I really think that Ralok would have a positive affect and that he has changed. Non the less, I will respect whatever your decision will be on the matter.--Legionwrex (talk) 19:40, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * This should not be brought to me since I have little recollection about what actually happened, if any at all. Spart would be the one to bring this to since he has more on this than I ever will. I cannot do anything, nor would I feel comfortable doing anything with something I know next to nothing about. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:42, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough.--Legionwrex (talk) 19:47, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Question on Paragon Lost additions
Hey, is there some official staff actions being made against Paragon Lost details? I noticed that some of my edits are preserved while others and my screenshot contributions have been removed. I bought the movie via iTunes and that's what I've been using for those screenshots. And I know the iTunes site (and iTunes store) both say a release of 12/28 but you can buy from them anyway.

Got any insight on that or any rules on posting that material here?
 * Um yes. It hasn't been officially released yet, so we can't have material by it since it is leaked information. And all of the screenshots you uploaded where nowhere near the quality that is expected. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:43, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

Chat Module
Hi, Lancer1289. You're a great admin. I am not really good in creating template pages but I discover how to make a chat module. Means there's a chat floating(they don't move) on the right side. I think I would be great to put it on the main page as there are no the chat thingy there. What do you think? By the way, Merry Christmas! -TomWelling (talk) 21:54 December 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well thanks for the compliment, and the wishing, which I return. It has been a good day so far.
 * As to the question, I'm going to say no. We have Chat the way it is and that is enough for now. It also has been having a number of issues with people not following site policies, general issues, and a general lack of interest of late. I can't justify adding something that really has no interest. Lancer1289 (talk) 22:22, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #5
Alright, Lancer. This is about my edit on Trebin. What would you deem the noises you hear when near the location of the probe protected by Scavengers to be? I'm quite sure I've heard those noises in other locations that the Wiki has deemed to be Rachni songs. Xiaolruc (talk) 20:44, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Now four people who can't follow simple directions.
 * As to the point, the fact rachni songs have been reported all over, the they require confirmation. Confirmation details are outlined in the MoS. Your attitude is completely unnecessary and also rude. This is the way things operate to ensure that the information is accurate because false information, especially on this subject has been posted before. Lancer1289 (talk) 20:51, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Rude, you say? I was simply asking for your input; I thought you'd know. Xiaolruc (talk) 20:58, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * The fact you put "you" in italics is quite rude. You made it personal by saying that it was my rules, rather than how things actually work, that made me undo the edit. Rather it was in fact the opposite. Because of the abundance of false information that has been posted on this topic, we require the same level of confirmation that is spelled out in the MoS. Lancer1289 (talk) 21:01, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

I can see that. Perhaps I shouldn't have tried to 'paint' my words (I have a habit of trying to do so since plain text only goes so far). I'll rephrase: Would you be willing to hazard a guess as to what the sounds might be? I would like to hear your opinion. Xiaolruc (talk) 21:11, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Image updates bugging out
I updated the [[Media:Kamille Praetorian.jpg]] to a higher res version, but it seems stuck at the original resolution of 960x540. Is there anything that I might have done incorrectly to cause this? Also, for general reference, how can this be corrected? I wanted to go ahead and get a more acceptable image uploaded. If we can't get the original image updated, should I just create a new upload? Or would you rather I link you what I have first to make sure it's ok to post? Shadowdragon00000 (talk) 02:07, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * As it turns out, the image finally updated. Does it normally take that long for an image to update? Also, is the new version acceptable? Shadowdragon00000 (talk) 14:40, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * It sometimes takes days for images to update. This has been a reoccurring problem. Lancer1289 (talk) 17:23, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the heads up. I'll be sure to keep that in mind next time. How is the update image? Is it acceptable to start using on the wiki? Shadowdragon00000 (talk) 17:32, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

FYI
With Spart's permission, I've posted some info about our image and file policies here so it'll be visible on the upload page. I figured it would help cut down on the uploading of incorrectly formatted images and the like. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:14, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I kept forgetting to do that. Glad someone got around to it and found where to post it. Lancer1289 (talk) 09:00, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hi is anyone here?
Hey I was just wondering if anyone was still here I see no one is on chat. Well that's all i have to say thank you. :) KnightmareS-C075 (talk) 00:40, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * There is usually someone montioring the wiki. We are a content based wiki, there usually aren't people in chat 24/7. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:54, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Ok thank you KnightmareS-C075 (talk) 17:42, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Request for mention and Quotation
Hi as I said on chat in a PM I'm an admin on Followers wiki; a wiki to review other wikis, I am currently writing the review of this wiki is it ok If I name you in the review and to quote something I believe you once said "But we are not like any other wiki are we?" KnightmareS-C075 (talk) 00:49, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * I cannot nor will I allow you to use anything I have said without knowing the context or anything else about what you will say. If it is something I allegedly said, then the answer is no. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:54, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Forum about wiki problems.
On SR's talk page (on which you, I, and SR had a brief discussion about new users), a mild flamewar erupted. This is clearly a sensitive issue, and so in order to prevent major backlash when the you-know-what is made, we might want to quell this issue now with a forum for the community to discuss it on.

The reason I ask you is because I wanted your opinion on such a forum, as I can predict it will be very active and may clog the RC. I am neutral to the idea, but Ygrain mentioned it, and I can see how it might be useful, but I would only proceed with it if you are game.--Legionwrex (talk) 23:37, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. There are a number of things with that comment that I didn't intend to happen, and a number of things that also strike me as very curious. If you want to, I really can't have an objection as there nothing forbidding someone to open a forum. However, if you do, make sure that you mention quite clearly that all rules, linking them would be a good idea, and regulations about site policy must be followed to the letter and any breaches of said policies will result in warnings or a ban.
 * I have found that this is always a sensitive issue, but it is your choice. That is the extent of what I have to say. I hate to use it, but if you want to discuss it more, then I will be in the chat room for a private discussion. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:26, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * I will only be in there for another half hour though, until 01:00 UTC, as I will have things I need to take care of. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:29, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Missing Title #6
I notice you reverted my change on the Acolyte page about how having it during Priority: Mars may make the final fight unwinnable. The same information is present on both the pages for the Scorpion and Executioner, and has been there for some time. Is it just because I'm not registered or some garbage like that? 121.217.140.175 10:28, January 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've taken the liberty of removing those two lines. Lksdjf (talk) 17:50, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * That attitude is completely unnecessary. It doesn't matter who makes the edit, what is evaluated is the quality of it. Those pages are for how to use the weapon effectively. Not for specific things like that which belong in the mission articles themselves.
 * And thank you for removing those lines. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:55, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

What's the purpose of kicking people in Chat?
One of the things I've noticed is that whenever I kick someone, they are able to rejoin instantly as if it never phased them nor was an inconvenience. I always considered kicking to be a lighter form of banning, akin to a warning or a "slap on the wrist", but what's even the purpose of doing it if the person is able to instantly rejoin? It seems like it should at least ban them for 10 minute to think about what they did.--Legionwrex (talk) 21:37, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Because it is more like a warning and it is much more public. Lancer1289 (talk) 22:22, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Fair enough.--Legionwrex (talk) 22:24, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

VERY uncalled for comment.
So I was just called a paedo by this guy,. I'll leave it to you on what to do, but I find this offense and totally against and an assault on my character.--Legionwrex (talk) 03:42, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Got it. Deleted all comments and user blocked. And back to Balmorra. Lancer1289 (talk) 03:46, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Voting for Chat Rules.
Hi Lancer, I'm not sure if you feel the same way, but I think that the voting behavior during the last chat rules vote might not have been entirely fair. Ygrain has asked four people (including me, although I have already voted beforehand and thus wasn't influenced by that) on DA wiki to vote on the Chat Rules discussion. Given that any of those people could have had asked more people from other wikis to vote, a very substantial part of the against vote during the last discussion could have had come from those sources. To be entirely fair, she didn't ask them to vote a certain way, just spread awareness (I think), so I hhave no idea whether that was breach of the rules or not. 4Ferelden (talk) 07:08, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * I will be consulting with other admins on this I can assure you but the result in the past has not been pretty. Lancer1289 (talk) 07:10, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry I should have said this in the first comment. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Lancer1289 (talk) 07:10, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. I see that SpartHawg948 has decided not to take action when you asked him. However, I think that this behavior continues during this vote: users HELO and Aleksandr were asked again for this vote (although you have probably seen it from those links I gave you) and users Nikapoll and Matt-256 both have never been here before but have active presence on DAwiki and were both in the DAchat at the time of their vote. 4Ferelden (talk) 23:12, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

P.S. I see you're logged in the DAchat. Seems like you got the same thought I did. 4Ferelden (talk) 23:12, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually all communication of late has been by email and will be kept confidental for obvious reasons. Without revealing anything, a course of action was decided upon. One that was not reached lightly, or without great debate and thought for the future. That is all I can say. Lancer1289 (talk) 23:19, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

From what I can see, it doesn't seem like she endorsed one side or the other. She merely brought the discussion to people's attention. I hardly feel that's grounds for closing the vote.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 09:39, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, all Ygrain did with me was leave a link to the policy (which I kind of already knew about). I was planning on voting later if it had become a bit more heated, apparently that didn't happen. Aleksandr the Great (talk) 19:10, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Vandal.
This guy,, just vandalized the rogue V.I. page, but thanks to my new Rollback powers (which are awesome) it was quickly dealt with.--Legionwrex (talk) 06:42, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Weapon weights
While I see that you undid most of the notes (ME3MP avenger still has its note second from the top) I made on weapon weight, I have question about exactly how it is "not permitted".

Firstly I would personally categorise this as player notes, since it informs a reader on what play styles to consider when using each weapon (how power centric to be). There is no specific entry on player notes in the manual of style as of setting out to type this, so the best indication of what is and is not allowed in player notes remains to look at other pages. The conclusion of this is that player notes do not need explicit dev confirmation (otherwise there would be next to nothing on the pages since what dev is going to look through everything about how to use a weapon just to give it official confirmation, and if they did, player notes would consist of a link to where they posted their official version). Player notes simply revolve around how to use a weapon/character and what to consider in a loadout, to that end having weapon weight information would be very useful. If you are in doubt that I made the correct considerations when extracting this data, I would be happy to supply a copy of notes that I made and my methods.

I realise that commenting on the full game mechanic under combat would need dev confimation though.

yours Midnightpiranha (talk) 17:53, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * The main reason is it come from game data, and we have had multiple issues with people using game data in the past. It is just too open to interpretation based on a number of factors. Because of the issues, we just don't allow it anymore. Anything involving game data will require devconfirmation.
 * It is true that player notes do not require devconfirmation, however things like that involving game data does. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:22, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Sooooo....
Is the policy official now? Should I begin enforcing it?

Also, on another note, what a crazy last night. Everything that happened that day was completely surreal.--Legionwrex (talk) 18:50, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Chat.
Would you please join me in it? Soon.--Legionwrex (talk) 23:55, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Missing Title #7
I just thought I would let you know this. During a hub mission I found a bug. When I was done talking to General Oraka it left the conversation but still had the same point of view from the conversation instead of returning to the normal 3rd person view behind Shepard. I could move him around but when he left the screen I couldn't see him. At 1st it was annoying but it was easily fixed by saving and loading the save. I thought that this information would be helpful to you.

--Jmoonz9 (talk) 21:16, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * And this is when and where? If this is a bug, then it needs to be reported on the relevant talk page and confirmed before anything can be added to the article. Lancer1289 (talk) 21:22, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what else to tell you about when and where, because I already said that in my previous message. As for the talk page could you please direct me to the relevant page for it. --Jmoonz9 (talk) 01:14, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you please leave a message in the right section and not at the end of the page?
 * As to the point, you did nothing really. All you did was say that you talked to one character who is in two games and did not go into any further details. You did not mention which mission it was, what game it was encountered in, or even where on the Citadel it was. So, no you actually didn't tell me in your previous message as there are at least three critical components missing. Lancer1289 (talk) 01:23, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Rollback powers.
So can I use my Rollback powers for any purpose other than vandalism? I ask this because there are multiple times where a guy edits the same article like 3 times (making Rollback powers the prime action to use), but it isn't necessarily vandalism.--Legionwrex (talk) 21:24, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * When undoing an edit, it is probably best to use the history and revert with an edit summary. That way if they continue to do it, you can show what the issue is. It is just best to do it for vandalism and or if the edit count climbs over 10. That's my personal rule, one I need to stick to more. Lancer1289 (talk) 21:27, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks.--Legionwrex (talk) 21:29, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Policy enforcement.
Now that it is official, I think you might need to check it for some people that aren't supposed to be there. 4Ferelden (talk) 01:37, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm currently keeping an eye on it, but there is currently no one in chat. Lancer1289 (talk) 01:39, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I've been dealing with some DA wiki users who will not give up. I probably should have banned them already, as they repeatedly come back after being kicked.--Legionwrex (talk) 01:40, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Then here's what we will do. First warning. If they don't leave in a minute, then kick. If they come back, then tell them that if they do not leave immediately, they will be kicked and banned for two weeks. Me thinks our leniency has rubbed off. Lancer1289 (talk) 01:42, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

I have given him a talk page message explaining the situation. Hope it'll be enough. 4Ferelden (talk) 01:45, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Policy Voting Reform.
As the dust begins to clear on the whole vote canvassing affair, I think we might now need to solidify our rules on voting to prevent the repeat of these regrettable events.

Firstly, I gather that you have updated the policy to make canvassing illegal, but I can't find it right now so can you please brief me on the details? Most importantly, does it say that there should be a warning first, since that was the one thing the ban opponents here grasped on to?

However, as Temporaryeditor has said soon after the block, it is very hard to check for canvassing occuring in the Wikia chat, and it's outright impossible to do so if it's done via email or other sources. As such, I believe we might now need to follow the example of the Final Fantasy wiki and make the voting restricted by edit count and/or joining date. I believe that it would be enough to require the user to have 20 mainspace edits or 50 blogspace edits before allowing them to vote (the point here is to confirm that the user is trustworthy, rather then to force them to expand the wiki (not that I wouldn't want that, but the cries of "you hate socialising blah, blah, blah" are rather annoying already and would get even more so if the rules were restricted to mainspace only.)

Finally, I have to say that these people sure don't know how to lose. This page makes me all the more glad to have originally supported the policy. I really don't think that anyone from here should get involved, here or on their site, but I do wonder how Wikia Central would react if we informed them of this particular comment? 4Ferelden (talk) 07:52, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

P.S. I mention Wikia Central because apparently Ygrain is now taking the case to them. I'm not concerned about this myself as I have asked them to have a look at things a day before to ensure that they receive the news without being predisposed to any side. 4Ferelden (talk) 07:52, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah I know about that link and have been following it. However that last comment was uncalled for and goes beyond what is just decent. I will be reporting it.
 * As to the voting, I'm not sure if it will even pass, if the past votes are any indication. I will see what the other admins think before moving on this subject. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:09, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Troll blog
You should probably do something about this blog, given that it was written by a troll trying to flame Mass Effect fans here on this site: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog_comment:EzzyD/Problem_with_my_game.
 * I've been watching it but it is his blog so unless it gets really out of hand, there really isn't much that can be done. If it becomes a problem, only then can we act. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:11, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

I resent the accusation of being a troll. EzzyD (talk) 20:07, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

What's up with the RC?
It's displaying every single blog comment as some weird technical thing (example:"@LilyheartsLiara-756289937298"), and it's an eyesore to look at.

Also, have you taken a look at what they're saying about us (many times singling you out) at the Dragon Age wiki? I have been monitoring it for a few days, and I must say, I am forcing myself to hold my tongue and not jump into their affairs (unlike what many of them did to us here).--Legionwrex (talk) 17:35, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming this is in chat and other places. I am looking into it and doing something about it.
 * As to the RC it isn't doing that for me so I have no explanation. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:12, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Legion, I kind of need an answer to this as quickly as possible. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:26, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

I'm seeing the same thing in the Recent content feed. TheUnknown285 (talk) 19:43, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Same thing is happening on other wikis (e.g., Dragon Age, Lostpedia). It must have something to do with Wikia.  TheUnknown285 (talk) 19:46, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Then it probably is. Something that they are doing is causing problems. Again. It is again not happening to me so I can't relate. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:59, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Just a note--Legionwrex and TheUnknown285 are referring to the Special:WikiActivity as the RC page, while Lancer probably is referring to Special:RecentChanges as the RC page...since that page is actually called "Recent Changes." Trandra (talk) 20:34, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarifying that. I had no idea what they were talking about. Lancer1289 (talk) 21:54, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * The changes also show up on the Recent Changes page, too, but in a different way--blog comments are now labeled as "Article Comments." I'm not sure what Wikia is doing...probably forcing everything over to the commenting style (as opposed to separate Talk pages). Trandra (talk) 23:33, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, may God help us all!--Legionwrex (talk) 23:36, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * That can't be the case. Article comments are unique to wikis and have to be turned on and off by admins. This was in response to so many people blasting Wikia Staff members that talk pages were useful. The staff said talk pages were useless to a wiki structure.
 * In reality, the blogs are probably using the same code to make things easier. Lancer1289 (talk) 23:47, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

We have a problem here.
User:EzzyD continues to violate site policy by going on chat, knowing full well we have a policy against it. I have kicked him multiple times, but he keeps returning. I don't know how to go about this, so I present it to you.--Legionwrex (talk) 00:15, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * How many times has this occurred and what were the circumstances? Lancer1289 (talk) 01:48, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * The first time, I had to kick him I believe 3 times in a the same encounter or him to finally leave. The second time him and another user where talking about how no admins are moderators where around to kick them (ironically, I showed up), and the last time he genuinely believed that because he had 20 edits (not all mainspace, just 20 edits, mainly being blogs) he could stay, I then explained it to him, and he left. Frankly, I feel like I have given him enough slack.--Legionwrex (talk) 01:52, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Who was the other user in that case? Lancer1289 (talk) 01:53, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't even remember, some guy from the Dragon Age wiki I believe.--Legionwrex (talk) 01:55, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well then, if he enters chat again, and does not leave when you inform him that he has still not reached the edit count, then kick and ban him for two weeks. You're right, enough is enough. Lancer1289 (talk) 01:58, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Mind linking with Liara
I think the page on the Therum mission is incorrect - this was the first post-Spectre mission I completed, at the end of which, contrary to what it says on the aforementioned page, Liara didn't offer to link minds. She did, however, link minds with my shep after the Feros mission to try to make sense of the Cipher that Sheala gave Shepard. I did the Feros mission after Noveria; I mention this because it may be pertinent. Anyway, can you check this out? I didn't want to edit the page without confirmation.

Robgh (talk) 11:48, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Bray
Hello, i'm new to this wiki and i would like to add a page about Bray from Mass Effect 3. --TheWalkingDeadFan156 (talk) 17:01, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Who? Lancer1289 (talk) 20:13, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe he is Aria's second in command during the Omega DLC. He is about as note worthing as Jona.--Legionwrex (talk) 20:18, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Concur. That is not worthy of an article. Lancer1289 (talk) 20:26, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Incase it changes his worthiness, you do get an email from him a bit after finishing omega. Midnightpiranha (talk) 19:49, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Should go into the walkthrough article itself. It isn't the first time something like this happened. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:53, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Problem with an anon...
Remember this guy,, who you warned last time..... well he didn't head the warning. He has insulted us all again and broke the language policy.--Legionwrex (talk) 21:44, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Dealt with. Lancer1289 (talk) 22:21, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I just noticed like 50% of your talk page messages are from me, I'll try to ease it down a bit.--Legionwrex (talk) 22:26, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Vandal
This user is creating offensive pages and vandalising pages. Just a heads up. Bluegear93 (talk) 21:47, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah can we block this guy? Midnightpiranha (talk) 21:53, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Dealt with. Lancer1289 (talk) 21:55, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Game Guide App
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If you have any questions or need assistance curating the content for the app, please let me know and I will happily help you organize it. Just leave me a message on my talk page!

Best, Mira84 21:37, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Vandal
Warmaster0117 has been vandalizing the Commander Shepard page by adding irrelevant images. I've marked the irrelevant images for deletion as well. LilyheartsLiara (talk) 21:27, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Question about weapon policy
Hello there. Is there any rule that says you can't mention a weapon on a page for another weapon? Because if that's the case, why? It prevents useful information on the differences between the Widow and Javelin (two near-identical rifles) being added.--RandomGuy96 (talk) 00:42, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * No it biases the comment. Player notes are to show how to use that weapon most effectively, not say "this other weapon is better". Everyone is different and therefore player notes should be how to best use that weapon, not another. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:27, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Missing Title #8
Help, can undo the damage to the Collectorssorry Toto Sakigami (talk) 22:32, January 26, 2013 (UTC)Toto_Sakigami
 * Do not do that again. We have sandboxes for a reason. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:27, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Joker's "Sister"
Hi Lancer,

Could you please see the Talk Page for Aeian T'Goni viz the Joker's "Sister" controversy? It bothers me that even discussion of the controversy itself seems to be met with near-religious fervor to remove. While it may indeed be speculation and certainly not "canon" that said Hilary is in "fact" Joker's sister, it is hardly speculation that they have the same name, same unusual spelling, same planet, same profession, and same age. Nor is it speculation that Peter Weekes said what he said, even though his statement cannot be taken as official "canon".

It seems to me ENTIRELY worthy of mention in the "Trivia" section of the Aeian T'Goni page (as well as Joker's) that these connections exist. Perfectly fine to leave it "and the player must draw his/her own conclusions" light. It's a VERY interesting piece of trivia that the controversy exists.

I also offer that the story- and mission- related pages of this wiki are positively rife with speculative statements like "this may be a homage to some random thing in Battlestar Galactica", etc, etc. Perhaps because earlier editors have stated the Joker's "Sister" connection as if a fact have clouded folks' judgment here? I certainly don't see anyone running around and removing the speculative "this might be a homage" things, which meet a far lower standard of having any documentation.

Finally, I think if the "controversy" were mentioned in neutral terms, this could stop all the edit wars over this. Seems to be the way Wikipedia handles these things?

Thanks,

Cattlesquat (talk) 23:16, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * And you have presented nothing new so nothing will be done. It is speculation, and therefore not permitted. Unless there can be only one person on an entire colony that is named Hilary. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:28, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

I would Except Karl-159 banned me 3 times now, that jerk.
If you could unban me, then I'd be more than willing to log in. My username would be Hellrazordirty and if you check things on my talk page you'd see what I'm talking about. However, keep in mind, Karl has changed, edited and deleted some of my posts so I have no idea what is currently there. I logged off and intend to create a new account thanks to him.

Contacted Wiki and they don't seem to be able to help out except to warn Karl not to change any posts or to edit anyone's posts to his liking. 24.127.118.148 06:37, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Yes I try to be blunt, but to also be honest. However I stopped letting people step all over me a few years back and Karl is very much like the NCO's I had to deal with who always demanded from me and whenever I rose to the challenge, kept pointing how they outrank me and how I must listen to them. Yes I'm sick of it, but mainly I just don't like getting stepped on anymore the way Karl has been doing.

So if you could unban me so I could continue what I was doing, I'd appreciate it- which would be working on a Mass Effect Magic the Gathering Theme Deck since I finished a Spartan, Helghast and just the other day- a Covenant Deck. 24.127.118.148 06:57, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * If I might interject... you've not been banned from this Wiki. Since you haven't been banned here, there should be nothing stopping you from logging in here. As for what has happened at other wikis, I really can't speak to that. I've made some inquiries, but frankly, the administration of other wikis isn't really something the admins here can do anything about.
 * Incidentally, as a former NCO myself, kind of the whole point of being an NCO is to mentor the lower ranks, which does necessitate making them listen to you. And NCOs are supposed to be demanding of the junior enlisted. It's part of the job description (literally). SpartHawg948 (talk) 09:02, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm completely lost here... Lancer1289 (talk) 16:59, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

close up voting
Regardless of your opinion on this [] vote, it is time to close voting on it if you would be so kind. Midnightpiranha (talk) 09:49, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Please don't try to just ignore this away, it doesn't look good for you and I don't appreciate being made to chase you up about this. Midnightpiranha (talk) 22:04, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for assuming the worst right off the back. Though I should be used to this by now because no one gives me the benefit of the doubt anymore. Everyone just assumes the worst and expects me and the other admins to give everyone else the benefit of the doubt. It would be nice for someone reciprocate on that point.
 * Thanks for also assuming that because I don't like it, I won't do anything about it. Did it ever occur to you that I overlooked it? That I didn't notice it? From your comment, that thought never even crossed your mind. I've been doing a lot lately and things get overlooked. Now I will get to it within an hour but there is other things that I have to get to first. Lancer1289 (talk) 22:13, February 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * It did occur to me, however I remebered that when a message turns up on your talk page you get a notification in the bottom right hand of the screen that doesn't go away until you have followed it. I apologise for coming across the way I did and thanks for your attention. Midnightpiranha (talk) 22:28, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

== Notification ==

I have done everything I could. Please Mr Lancer do not allow this voting to pass. As an administrator of this wiki, you have the duty to stop them before these foreign elements destroy or oppose of you and the rest of the contributors. I hope you'll hear my plea, thank you. 99.90.25.124 21:59, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Keeper Changes
I don't understand why you changed my parts in the Keepers page; From my point of view, all that I changed made it either to wordy, to personal or hard to read. Is there some form of protection on the page that I don't know? Let me say now, I'm not angry or anything nor do I want to start some kind of flame war over this, I just want to get this cleared up alright? It is the fate of a Nobody (talk) 17:49, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Because it was all unnecessary changes. You moved a well known bug from the item, to the end where it could get easily overlooked. It doesn't matter if it is bold and italics, people will overlook that if it isn't right next to the actual issue. You also removed the very real statement from the bottom of the article. There was really no reason to make any of the changes. Lancer1289 (talk) 17:59, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sneeze
Why is it even on the article? And from an admin as well? I think you need to get rubbish like that off the pages. It's unsightly and adds nothing to the style of the wiki. Sort it out. Lee VEGETA talk 01:30, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * And I'm not getting into two debates over this in 24 hours. It has been there for a long time and will not be removed because it is both humorous and accurate. Now leave it alone. Lancer1289 (talk) 01:32, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * How is it accurate? It's complete nonsense! We might as well just add "humour" into every article. And just because it's been there a long time does not mean that it should be there. It needs to be removed. No wonder this wiki is like a tip when admins think it's "funny" to add nonsense on to pages. Lee VEGETA  talk 01:35, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * If you have ever played the mission, which from your comment says that you haven't, you would know that it is accurate. The fact you are coming off so hosite to this shows that you do not understand how things are done here, what our standards are, or anything that has been going on in the article. I will not get into another debate. It is staying for aforementioned reasons. Lancer1289 (talk) 01:39, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Numerous mission pages on the Wiki have humourous, light-hearted comments. The "hefty sneeze" line is hyperbole used to emphasize the fragility of the dish.  These humourous remarks have no harm and add a nice touch to the mission walkthroughs. LilyheartsLiara (talk) 01:43, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * I keep getting told by admins this is meant to be an encyclopedia and so there shouldn't be unnecessary comments like that. I agree its fun but this is not IGN.Garhdo (talk) 01:46, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Someone else who also doesn't understand how things are done. The character, planet, and in universe articles are to be encyclopedic, the walkthroughs are not because of their nature. They are written in second person, are subject to change at any minute, and a few humorous comments here and there don't do any damage. Now I am ending this conversation because I'm not having it again in less than 24 hours, I will continue to revert any edits, and if necessary lock the article or ban users if they push it to the point of violating site policy. Lancer1289 (talk) 01:49, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * You should not be an admin! Stuff like this is not needed, it devalues the site. I'm done, if this joke of an admin does stuff like this, it makes sense why the wiki as a bad rep Lee VEGETA  talk 01:51, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * LeeVEGETA, I would strongly advise you to calm down. First, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to insult other users. It is a direct violation of site policy, and if I see it again, there will be a ban. You had a simple disagreement with two editors who have much more experience on the wiki than you. Perhaps they may have experience and insights in this that you don't? And in response, you became angry and bellicose, heaping verbal abuse on another editor. This is intolerable. Lancer and LilyheartsLiara are, in my opinion, correct. If you still want to be "done" (despite not having, IMO, really started), so be it. But don't come in here and start disrespecting other editors because of a silly disagreement. SpartHawg948 (talk) 04:02, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Then perhaps we should remove the walkthroughs entirely if as a whole they contradict site policy. After all as I said this is not IGN. We are meant to be an encyclopedia for Mass Effect. Many other game wikias do not have walkthroughs so perhaps we should do away with them as well when there are other sites and books for that purpose.Garhdo (talk) 01:55, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

'THAT IS IT. THIS CONVERSATION IS OVER.'

I have held my tongue for weeks and I am done [redacted] holding it. I am sick and tired of betting beaten over the head time and time again for decisions that I seriously doubt anyone else could make given everything that goes on. No one who has insulted me over the past few weeks can even come close to understanding what goes on because none of them will even make an ounce effort to even attempt to understand. I am sick and tired of people insulting me for things they do not understand and do not care to understand. I am sick and tired of getting raked over the coals for everything no one even bothers to give me the benefit of the doubt. "Oh no, he cannot be given the benefit of the doubt because of what he does. He does everything wrong because I say so." Well I am sick of it, especially when they turn right around and tell me to do the same thing. That is just insulting to say the least.

No one who has repeatedly insulted me over my entire tenure here even cares about anything. They all just look for some reason to hit me, and when they do they do not stop. Well has anyone done this for you? Of course not because you are all an exclusive club. You all care about the issues, but when the real work comes around, oops, you all disappear, only to come back when there is an issue to hit me again with. No one even attempts to understand how this place works because no one cares. All they care about is their own precious edits, their issues and how they can blow them up, and their own way of doing things. They could care less about anything else. If it does not fit into their perfect circle of how things are done, then they throw, whine, [redacted], moan, and do anything until they get their way. I am sick and tired of how everyone seems to be like that lately. There is no sense of cooperation because they will not let up. They want what they want, and flat out refuse to talk it out and come to an agreement. ON ANYTHING.

When I came here 3 years ago, there was a nice, pleasant user base, plenty of people to talk to, and nice people. However since about a year ago, the amount of drama has gone up, and no thanks to new users who just seem eager beavers to jump on any decision they do not agree with. I will work with just about anyone on anything, someone everyone seems to forget but then I am sure that several of them did not even care to begin with. A this time, let us remember who set up the projects and policy forums. Can anyone name that user? Wait everyone forgets who did that because they do not care to remember. IT WAS ME. I wanted to see more people get involved with a number of decisions. Yet anytime I try and help, everyone just hits me over and over again, goes around to try and do something to get their way over another way, and do anything to get their point across, even if it is immoral. So people wonder why my attitude has changed. I will not name names, but there are a number of users who I can directly credit for it. I have to deal with so many things that I lose track of all of it, and anyone who has known me for this time period can attest to that fact. Have I been hard? I know I have been. And every time I have tried to be nice, I get hit because of it. I have only had a few decent interactions of people who actually gave me the benefit of the doubt, and I returned the favor. Every other time I get hit, my trust abused, and insulted because people think the worst. Well that is something that I am also sick and tired of.

Ever since about late 2011, I have had my trust abused in so many ways that I canot even count them. I have tried to be nice and work with numerous people, yet everyone, instead of seeing a warning for a violation for site policy, which I have pretyped out because of the frequency they have had to be posted, they all see it as "admin abuse", me "degrading them", me "throwing my weight around", and me doing anything to keep them from doing anything. I, contrary to the beliefs of EVERYONE, like it when people clean things up, I like to interact with people, yet no one even cares to try. They all just wait for something they can turn into an issue and proceed to bash me over and over again for it. No one even cares to get anything from me because they do not care. Why? I do not know. No one, NO ONE has ever even asked why I act the way I do, why I continue to put up with this, and what goes on with me on a daily basis. Why? This one I can answer. No one cares about what I think, what goes on in my life, and what I have to deal with on a daily basis. No everyone would rather see me as the enemy. Someone they can never agree with, someone who will do anything to get their way, and someone who is just there to be hard on the "good people trying their best." I should mention there are several things that are part of site policy and things that have been done that I do not like, yet I do nothing about them.

Any further comments on this issue will be removed without warning. Any further removal from the article will be reverted and I will not respond to any comments anymore about this issue from people who do not even try to understand and will just proceed to the part of the conversation where they throw insults in my face.

Good day. Lancer1289 (talk) 02:23, February 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * I apologise if I have upset you. I can assure you it was definitely not my intent. I can understand you having issues but there is no need to lash out as as far as I am aware I have not insulted you. My last point was trying to suggest a compromise as it seems you have had an issue with this type of incident before.


 * I would like to take a more active role on this wiki. I have often made suggestions on talk pages to improve only be shot down or ignored. I am tempted not to try in the future but no I would instead like to open discussions with admins like yourself to improve this wikia and its content.


 * It's true that on the internet people will not take any concern in your personal affairs, but it sounds like things are getting on top of you my friend. Perhaps you should step back if you are having as many problems, both on and off the wiki, as you are alluding to. Not trying to be nasty, merely offering advice. Real life can be a bitch and if it is you need to focus on that, not the wiki.


 * Once again, apologies if I have upset or offended you.Garhdo (talk) 02:49, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Garhdo, I'm confused. What site policies is it that you believe walkthroughs violate? SpartHawg948 (talk) 04:02, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * If I implied that it was not my intention. I simply believe that the walkthroughs should be as clear-cut and concise as the main pages. I merely believe that the sneeze comment is redundant to the article and on an in-universe page would be removed, so why should it be tolerated on a walkthrough? My suggestion to remove the walkthroughs was to allow sites dedicated for that purpose to host them, such as the guides on IGN. As I said I have seen several game wikis with walkthroughs and several without. Garhdo (talk) 04:08, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Inflammatory forum
Hey, you might want to take a look at the following forum, as I'm fairly certain it violates more than a few site policies. http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:So_why_does_anyone_actually_believe_Retarders%3F

---- Isolationistmagi   00:13, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:48, February 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * It should probably be noted that the forum in question fits with some of the behavior of an extremely persistent vandal who has periodically attacked the tvtropes.org page for Mass Effect 3. So it might be worth keeping an eye out for future problems of this kind.--Zxjkl (talk) 00:53, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

More Trouble
I'd recommend banning the following user as well as reverting all their edits and deleting all pages they create, a quick glance at their contributions should make the reasons self evident. http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cockblockula Au revoir! ---- Isolationistmagi   05:36, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

How Common is Vandalisim on this wiki? --MSV Estevanico (talk) 10:34, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Mass Vandalism.
We just had some mass vandalism on the Krogan Rebellions page.--Legionwrex (talk) 19:04, February 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Already got it. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:10, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

hmm.. I tried to make a simple edit to fix a link and some how the extra categories came in.. It wasn't intentional! thx to whomever fixed it..

98.118.122.25 18:57, February 11, 2013 (UTC)jbuszkie

Possible Vandal
This user was removing talk page content and replacing it with inflammatory remarks.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 23:51, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Edits
Do you have any tips or thing i should now when i edit pages at mass effect wiki? --Perkins98 (talk) 20:39, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Apologies for not responding until now, but I both needed a weekend and I had a number of things I needed to take care of.
 * As to your question, the best thing is really to read over the Manual of Style, all of its subpages, look over the Community Guidelines, and look at articles themselves. It takes a while for people to learn, but most people get the hang of it in about a month at the outside. Everyone has to start from somewhere. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:13, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry
I am sorry for my bad behavior aggainst you at the Turian talk page, it was unmature by me and im soryy for that,

if you accept my excuse,please leave a message --Perkins98 (talk) 20:18, February 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Accepted. See reasons above for delayed response. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:14, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Done thaks--Perkins98 (talk) 17:08, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Troll Forum
177.36.49.6 has created a forum in the policy section entitled "Kill All Retakers". There's a few policy violations on the page, they're rather blatant. Thought you'd like to know. Avg Man (talk) 02:16, February 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Someone's already told Commdor, and I've attempted to talk some sense into him... Don't know if it's going to even work, but hey, it's worth trying, right?--TW6464 (talk) 02:21, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

New Featured Article
Hey, how about you change the FEATURED ARTICLE on the mainpage? It's been months, I think. And, just a suggestion, how about you upgrade the main page? Like putting FEATURED CHARACTER and FEATURED QUOTES, something like that? http://images.wikia.com/merlin1/images/e/ea/Superman-Logo-Signature-QaYYum.png ~Tom   Welling~ http://images.wikia.com/merlin1/images/e/ea/Superman-Logo-Signature-QaYYum.png
 * Featured Articles are handled by our resident B'Crat and that would be something to talk to him about. As for adding more things, I don't see the relevance as there isn't enough characters for that and quotes just seem like fluff. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:15, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back.
Glad to see you back my friend. I hope things are better for you now.

I'm also sorry for how harsh I may have come across on certain instances before you took your break - I hope we can both put it behind us. Garhdo (talk) 15:23, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I hope so. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:27, February 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * I was wondering where you went... I'm glad you're back! (I hope you're still not PO'd at me...)--TW6464 (talk) 15:35, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I needed a weekend off and I had a number of things that required my attention. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:35, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * All right, I hope you got all of that resolved.--TW6464 (talk) 15:37, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * That would be a no, but the amount was reduced. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:38, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * well, that's a good start, right?--TW6464 (talk) 15:42, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * No since they are all still time consuming. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:44, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * ah.... Well... Anyway, good to have you back!--TW6464 (talk) 15:46, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Have a looksie at this.
Hello, I thought you'd want to know that somebody appears to be making Polish categories on your site: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Klasy

Have a good afternoon. EzzyD (talk) 17:39, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

...
Are you kidding me ? You are doing exactly the same thing I did but in another way... YOURS. Did you tell anybody about those massive change ? --DeldiRe 20:42, February 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * No I'm not. I an see how it would look that way though. What I'm doing is actually going through and correcting articles to either do a minor change, or enforcing the standard that has been around. You were completely changing the format to be inconsistent and enforcing your standard. The standard that I'm working with is the standard that has been around on the wiki for years. You were forcing a TOC, putting in CLR tags when they are situational only, putting in unnecessary headers, in addition to a few other things.
 * Examples:
 * Removing headers from characters when they only appear in one game/comic/book. Headers are not required and not permitted in that situation.
 * If an article has 3 or less headers, a table of contents is not required. Only if a TOC is added by default, which is 4 or more, will a TOC tag be required.
 * Clr tags are situational and should be only added when it is absolutely necessary. This is because they add huge amounts of space and make it completely unprofessional.
 * Moving information as necessary to uphold the standard.
 * Adding in an intro paragraph when necessary.
 * There is a very fine line between correction and reformatting. I'm doing the former, you were doing the latter. Lancer1289 (talk) 20:53, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

... oooooh sure it my big lord admin aware of all thing. There is a huge conceptual difference between deleting a space and adding a space. These are complete different thing. Excuse me for being such an idiot. I should have follow your thought since the begining because you are the only one capable on this wiki oooh trully master with "only some more buttons". Tour professionnalism is so great.

You just made me laugh... You are pathetic. Especially your "professionalism" way for exaplaining bu**sh*t --DeldiRe 21:22, February 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * You claim that I have an attitdue, yet look how you are acting. I never have, and never will swear at you, and the fact you are is really just an insult. You were changing the formatting of articles to what you thought was acceptable, not what the standard of the articles were. You wanted to do your own thing, again, and do it without talking to anyone or even checking to see what the standard actually was. You just did want you wanted again, without consulting anyone.
 * You want to call me "pathetic", look how you have been acting the last few days. You do what you want and do not care for anything. Not site policies, not site standards, not anything. You do what you want and do not care about if it is actually the right thing to do. And then you have the nerve to turn right around and tell me I am "pathetic"? If you had gone about it the right way, then there would have been no conflict. Either time. But instead you decided to do what you wanted and not care. You also have no right to call me out on professionalism with how you have been doing things and how you have been acting. Lancer1289 (talk) 21:28, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

clr tags
one reason for clr tags is because apparently teugene reported issues about spoiler tags overlapping with the character box (extending the concept, possibly all adversary boxes as well). he posted visual evidence on my talkpage but it has 404'd now. clring was only a stopgap measure and the issue needs to be addressed on the template level but i'm not really seeing any problems on my end so i can't see if any attempts to "fix" the issue will produce results (that will not go FUBAR).

the other reason is, well, aesthetic purposes. in certain cases (though not all) it just seems more appropriate to let the first spoiler tag get center attention.

downside is of course the gaping lack of text immediately after the intro. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 04:58, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * After doing extensive research on that topic, and forgetting to report it, I discovered it affected only a small portion of readers and users, and only those who had out of date software on their browsers, or the browsers themselves were out of date. It was either flash, java, or something like that. I forget what it actually is. I should also point out that it even shows up fine on my phone.
 * We can't restructure articles for a select few and compromise the look and feel of an article in the process. Having large open spaces doesn't do much for the professionalism of the articles and gives it a very unfilled look, no matter how much, or little, text is below them. If a user has up to date software, then there really isn't an issue because everything shows up fine. Lancer1289 (talk) 05:08, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Insulting message
Figure you might want to know about some kind words that DeldeRi has posted about you. LilyheartsLiara (talk) 15:58, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

I stick to that description. --DeldiRe 16:44, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * And that helps any of the problems currently tearing this community apart how? Garhdo (talk) 17:09, February 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * I know Gardho, I did my best to help the community with a cool attitude, but now it isn't possible anymore. Nevertheless, I stay cool with everybody except Lancer.. (The vendetta accusation will come soon enough...) --DeldiRe 17:48, February 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * You should stay cool with everyone. If not you are essentially on a vendetta against Lancer being being insulting and antagonistic towards him alone. And even worse is the way you are going to other user's pages and influencing their decisions by promoting your own agenda. It is inexcusable and needs to stop. Garhdo (talk) 17:57, February 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Don't waste your time, Garhdo. One of the problems currently tearing this community apart will likely cease to be an issue soon enough. LilyheartsLiara (talk) 18:01, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * If you mean the chat vote Lily then there are bigger problems. The continuing attacks by the community against the admins for one, but I see what you mean. Garhdo (talk) 18:14, February 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * My own agenda ? What do you mean ? And as you said the problem is far more deep that only the Chat issue.--DeldiRe 19:05, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

A Problem
Hey Lancer, I looked over the voting on | this forum and remembered that two of the people involved in the voting, namely user:EzzyD and User:FrostGiant are in fact one and the same person. I don't say this lightly, and would appreciate it if you would contact me regarding this issue. ---- Isolationistmagi   22:33, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait they are sockpuppets? Lancer1289 (talk) 22:36, February 23, 2013 (UTC)