Talk:Javik

Reminder
The Art of the Mass Effect Universe is officially out and spoilers abound. I expect that the nature of this article's subject will generate considerable speculation about what role this character will have in Mass Effect 3, but I would like to remind all users that this article's talk page is not the appropriate venue for such conversations. Please direct any speculation, commentary, personal opinions, etc. to either the Forums or a user blog. Article talk pages are reserved for discussing the upkeep of articles only. -- Commdor (Talk) 08:03, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Squadmate
Hes a squadmate everyone knows that.


 * Please read the above post. And while it may be possible the Prothean is a squadmate in ME3, it has not been officially confirmed. Even the art book (The Art of the Mass Effect Universe) does not state he is a squadmate. -- Commdor (Talk) 02:42, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should actually read the art book before making assumptions about what is and isn't in it. Confirmation that he is, indeed, a squad member. --212.181.128.23 19:12, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * And there is no reason to be rude about it either. Lancer1289 19:25, February 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * How is he being rude? Are you sure you're not perhaps being overly sensitive and misrepresenting his 'tone'? And no. I'm not being rude either. Just an honest inquiry.


 * Yes, I'm aware of that now. I did read the art book (I have my own copy), but I completely forgot about the squadmate confirmation at the time I created the article. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:25, February 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * so why don't we add his image to the article then? Señor action 07:52, February 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * We don't have an in-game image of high quality is why.--Xaero Dumort 07:53, February 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * ah, i see. Señor action 07:56, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

If I may... has it been stated whether this Prothean Squadmate is the DLC squadmate that has been referenced? And while I'm asking, has it been stated who is and is not a "full-time" squadmate?--Nintendogeek01 15:47, February 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, it doesn't say if he is a forced squad member or optional/dlc related. so are we not adding that he is a squad member since it has been stated now, or waiting till we know what category he falls in? Tivis014 18:53, February 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Looks to be DLC - http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb370/eddierivers/_prothyDLC.png?t=1329860650 193.37.156.146 22:56, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Prothean Appearance
As the information becomes available, a note should probably be added based on the appearance of the species as a whole, the Codex images on the Protheans were of those odd tentacle beard humanoids, while the leaked art picture of "the prothean" shows it clearly in the same shape of the Collectors *Who were once protheans as everyone knows* Kastrenzo 11:11, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * It isn't leaked anymore. The book is out and has been for almost two weeks now. Lancer1289 13:33, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

The codex is written as an in game "history book" in a sense. For all they knew, the tentacle beards were prothean, and that is how they recorded them until further information came forward. The codex doesnt know everything, it is written using the information available. Saying the tentacle beards were prothean because the codex says so is like saying all humans look like zebras because the codex has a picture of Kiss.BeoW0lfe 13:58, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's keep this page on topic people as this is starting to go away from what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 15:45, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Yes Führer Kastrenzo 13:48, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't make comments like that. They aren't funny and that is borderline offensive. Lancer1289 14:02, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

I do believe we have been at odds over what one considers offensive or rude, do you remember? So that's kind of Ironic,You're allowed to take offense to comments but no one else. Funny. would it have been less offensive if I had said "Yes Boss?" because franky it does feel like you're trying to boss people around in directing articles, I feel your cause is true, but your execution poor. Kastrenzo 00:44, February 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * This talk page is not the appropriate place for this kind of discussion. If you have an issue with another user, please take your comments to that user's talk page so the issue can be resolved. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:02, February 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Führer is an obvious Nazi term, which shouldn't generally be said at all in this day and age. People could take offense to that because it basically means you're calling them a Nazi Leader (Hitler). LordDeathRay 01:03, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Dang it Commdor, LordDeathRay. I had an awesome response only for you guys to edit conflict me.--Legionwrex 01:06, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

We don't assume that Egyptians had the heads of falcons or the bodies of lions based on their monuments. Why apply that standard to Protheans? 70.76.99.169 13:15, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Well the Eqyptians were human for one. And the Protheans were. . . not? Thats another--Ironreaper 13:26, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * And again this topic doesn't belong here. Take it to one of the places that I've already mentioned where it is more appropriate. Lancer1289 13:39, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Confirmed with a nerdgasm
Confirmed is it? That it is. It is confirmed to be in the DLC "From Ashes". So, id say its time to geek out.


 * Insert Nerdgasms here*

So, now we have a DLC Prothean Squad member, and i have saved Microsoft points for this very occasion. In case some epic Mass Effect 3 DLC is comming. And its said to be released on the release day.

So, in other words, we will have a Prothean by our side. Fighting agaisnt the Reapers with us.


 * Random Nerdgasm*

The Reapers are fucked now. they couldnt properly exteriminate the Protheans, and now they are here to help.....

The ONLY thing better would be a Prothean army.

Prothean Army: CHARGE!!!!!!


 * Nerdgasms during charge*

Ah well, i guess i better got relieve this hyper state of mine. Cant have myself nerdgasming too much......

But yeah, its confirmed. Consider it official.


 * Yes, we're well aware of the news. But please read the post at the top of the page. In the future, keep in mind that comments such as the one you just made are more appropriate for the wiki's Forums or a user blog. -- Commdor (Talk) 07:30, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Given it has been officially confirmed, should we post his picture? I have a saved copy if we need a high detail upload... BeoW0lfe 13:47, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * At this time, it probably isn't a good idea as what we have, we don't post anyway. Lancer1289 13:53, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * ok lance, i differ to your judgement. (ftr im trying to make amends to you for out arguments a while ago) my question is, are we waiting for the games release? Or simply a good shot or Mr. Prothean?BeoW0lfe 13:55, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Class
Has his class or role been determined yet? An idea (not any proof, simply an idea) is that the Prothean replaces the role of Ashley/Kaiden, depending on who you left on Vermire. Any knowledge on the subject would be helpful. Jon Ossum 00:38, February 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * There hasn't been any official word yet on the Prothean's powers. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:47, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

he is Adept class all his powers are biotic and he has one grenade power bonus powers are slam and dark channel (Sonicwave567 05:29, March 11, 2012 (UTC))

Name and Location
Ignore me if you want, but the Name of the prothean, is Javik. I'm not leaving a source and i'm not going to come back and respond to whatever you say, but that is his name. Oh and the DLC takes place on Eden Prime.


 * The name is an unsubstantiated rumor (it's not in any of the leaked files I've read. I believe someone made it up on BSN and others have taken it as fact. The spelling also varies, I've seen "Javik", "Javrik", and "Jarvik", which makes the validity of this even more suspect), and the location of the From Ashes DLC's mission was officially revealed last week. -- Commdor (Talk) 05:29, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

The Name "Javik" may be based on Tenga Javik, who is mentioned in the Star Wars Universe in relation to the Battle of Coruscant. It seems plausible since many names in Mass Effect have some sort of connection to other Science Fiction franchises. (I don't know how to add links here but you can check it out at Wookiepedia, aka star wars wiki).

info that I found
Prothean should be in the Vanilla, not DLC because of what someone said that makes total sense:

''A DLC character has to be a character that is fun but not connected to the main story. A Prothean is VERY important''

and I also found an in-game pic when I was searching Javik the Prothean [i dunno if it is confirmed]VeteranCookie 10:18, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Bioware already released that screenshot. we have no power over the content of a game unless u can turn the time back and force them to do what you want or if you happen to be EA's CEO. and how do you know what is important for the ME3 story. The name of the Prothean is pure speculation, and has not been confirmed by Bioware.

and please sign your posts.--Icemoomoo 10:09, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I was thinking that Protheans would be important since they did kind of help you not die at the start of ME1 and they are a race from a long time ago that experienced the old machines. and yes "Javik" is not confirmed but I have a random question, how did that name even get out? VeteranCookie 10:23, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * i think it started spreading around the BSN forums and went viral. About the Prothean being a DLC, it's like with Legion, he was supposed to be an important early game character but that was changed. It could be that the same happend with the Prothean.--Icemoomoo 10:35, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

This kind of thing belongs either in the forums or a blog post as this isn't what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 14:30, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

(edit/removed) sorry wrong talkpage --Icemoomoo 14:34, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I meant about this topic. Not one about something completely different. Lancer1289 14:37, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

In the older version of the script Javik was a pretty inmportant part of the story with at least 2 missions revolving around him, however this is no longer the case.

Picture
As far as a picture goes, why not the one from the Characters page? ClerkBosker 05:47, March 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * That image is concept art and being used only as a placeholder. We're only a short time away from getting suitable screenshots. -- Commdor (Talk) 05:53, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

The Prothean: ME 3
He's a soldier and was also the commander of the Eden Prime colony/installation. He was born during the war with the Reapers, and provides a viewpoint about the Protheans that is distinctly at odds with what that of the Hanar. He is aloof and somewhat distrusting, calling himself the spirit of vengeance, whose only mission is to see the Reapers dead. His original purpose was to enter stasis, and then rebuild the Prothean Empire after the Reapers had retreated, similar to the Ilos facility. It must be noted that he himself says that preparing for their return involving conquering every other sentient race in the galaxy and uniting them under his banner.

He uses assault rifles and heavy pistols, and is a biotic-type character. He has a unique biotic ability, a DPS debuff that can be upgraded to slow, and will jump to the next nearest valid target if it kills its current one.

... I forgot his name, though. Will update once I bash my Origin into working.

Stormkeeper 14:01, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Move Propsal
While this one is cut and dry, we still have policies. Since it is now confirmed that the Prothean is named Javik, the article should be moved appropriately. Lancer1289 17:37, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Support move. -- Commdor (Talk) 17:41, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you mean "moved" can't it just be renamed. In any case I support. JediSpectre117 18:40, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * A "move" is the same thing as "renaming" an article, Wikia just changed what the action is called. It was "move" for years. -- Commdor (Talk) 22:44, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

can you please move it then, instead of just talking about it. User:Reptileman778

Keep it as the prothean. In ME2 the achivements were recruit the convict, not recruit jack, or recruit the justicar, not recruit samara [youwillknowpainsheaperd]


 * This is a character page, not a mission page. Note we have articles for Jack and Samara, as well as their recruitment missions "Dossier: The Convict" and "Dossier: The Justicar". -- Commdor (Talk) 22:44, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

I support the move --Changonauta 00:28, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Now that we all know the character's proper name it should be moved. --Wharfmaster 00:36, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

yay for move --Ediskrad327 00:46, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I say move it, since if the character has a proper name then change it; not by its species' name. -- jey8000 6:33, March 07, 2012 (UTC)

"The Prothean" was essentially a placeholder name until he had confirmation of his name. NOw that the game is out, we have a name, as well as multiple pictures of the squad menu showing said name, there is no reason that it shouldn't be moved, unless there is a reason that I didn't think of that someone could point out? A.J. two 06:54, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I support the move. Placeholders are going to have to be phased out now. Might as well start with Javik. --AnAutisticTeen 14:59, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Surprised it's not been moved already, to be honest. Support. --The Gunsmith 15:58, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

I support it Crimsonterminator1000 13:50, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Support 100%--Grassrunnerdaughter (talk) 03:43, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

I definitely support the move. Not having the article titled "Javik" would essentially be akin to having Jack's page titled "Subject Zero." --Elitesalt 07:09, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Is Tali's article "The Quarian"? Is Garrus's "The Turian"? Is Liara's "The Asari"? Why should Javik's article be "The Prothean"? If the powers that be insist on keeping this article titled "The Prothean", I move that those characters' pages have name changes to more properly be in-line with this one's naming scheme. --MadCat221 05:11, March 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * We don't insist that this article remain titled "The Prothean". That's why we started this move proposal. -- Commdor (Talk) 05:13, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

move it then!User:Reptileman778

I support the move. TheUnknown285 02:41, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

The move proposal passes 15-1. Moving now. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:03, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

ME3 is now out, updating the page
Can those of us who have purchased "From ashes" begin updating the page? Also, which source should we site: Mass Effect 3 or the "From ashes" DLC, as most of what applies to him (namely his opinions and personality, as well as the reactions of others) occurs outside the actual DLC mission. Topics to updates are:

Powers: Dark Channel, pull, slam, lift grenade Vengeful Ancient

Weapon speaciality: Assault Rifles, heavy pistols

unlocks the particle rifle

Opinions, history of the protheans? (particularly their imperialistic ways) also should a quote page be started for him?--149.169.130.154 02:20, March 10, 2012 (UTC)dbsamurai
 * And why not do it yourself? You can't expect everyone else to do the work for you. Lancer1289 02:43, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Was asking permission not requesting others do it. Just noticed that there have been other updates but this page hasn't had next to anything.  Was wondering if there was a reason and if whatever I added would get nuked--24.56.22.147 04:40, March 10, 2012 (UTC)dbsamurai

Trivia
Hi guys, I wanted to point out it might be within good reason to add this little tidbit to the trivia section once the move has been decided: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/11/fan-claims-proof-that-mass-effect-3-day-one-dlc-was-on-disc.aspx 174.59.129.142 20:14, March 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * That appears to be fan speculation, which isn't permissible in articles. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:38, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Another thing that could go in trivia, the fact that his "Squad selection" image shows him with a Disciple shotgun even though he can't use these in game. 81.155.204.52 22:10, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm in favor of adding the Disciple bit to the article. I've noticed it, too. 76.171.184.23 02:20, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Javik will comment that he's refusing to tell others what exactly is he eating, since it's more difficult to poison him that way. However, after saying that he will immediately ask Shepard whether it's true or not that Shepard has a fish aquarium in his cabin.
 * During Sur'Kesh, he also says that salarian liver was a delicacy in his cycle, which makes salarians look really upset.

Voice Actor
I know Javik is played by a jamacian person, but who is it?
 * Not Jamaican, Nigerian. His name is Ike Amadi.

Thessia
"If brought to Thessia" paragraph can't be completely correct. I brought him to Thessia, clicked on all the relics, listen to him prattle on about how they embodied the gods of Asari, but no confrontation took place. Must be more to it. Liara did something? New game +? Imported save? Shepard say something?

I can't believe BioWare did'nt put Javik in the actual game. Why? Do they assume that everyone can buy it?

He may not be a prothean
So by now I'm sure we all know that the Protheans absorbed other races into their empire and all came to call themselves Prothean. So how do we know that Javik is a real Prothean (a member of the conquering species that absorbed the lesser species) or a lesser species that was absorbed into the empire that came to call itself Prothean?--BrewCrew4Life21 05:24, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Topics like this have no place on a talk page. These things belong either in the forums or a blog post as this isn't what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 14:26, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then they shouldn't be called talk pages because that infers discussion which is exactly what I'm trying to spark here. In fact if you look at anything else on a talk page you will notice that it's all discussion.
 * Talking about the article. Anything else is for the forums.--Xaero Dumort 03:37, March 29, 2012 (UTC)