Talk:Overlord

Thanks Lancer, I was struggling with the picture,

I thought I'd cheer the place up a bit (seemed so boring)X0 RG 0x 22:11, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, always happy to lend a hand. Lancer1289 22:12, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

New Character and Weapon
Sorry to Shadowhawk27 but i undid your edit as although the gameinformer article (http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/05/13/BioWare-Announces-New-Mass-Effect-2-DLC.aspx) does list new weaponary and a new squad member in an interview with casey hudson (it can be found here but massive spoiler warning: http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/masseffect2workingtitle/video/6262360/mass-effect-2-overlord-dlc--casey-hudson, around 3 minutes in) he explicitly states that there will be no new items or weapons and the focus will be more on story telling Paz444 00:15, May 20, 2010 (UTC).
 * Indeed there does seem to be some conflicting data as both were posted on the same day. Until we have more information I vote that we go with the video for now. If new information comes along then we will modify it. However the video seems to give a lot more detail than the article. Lancer1289 00:30, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well at least i tried :( Shadowhawk27 00:32, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome people, i had to find more info for that Overlord DLC... Shadowhawk27 01:12, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good, but just remember that we do keep the official description seperate from the rest. Good additions just a seperate section was needed. Lancer1289 01:16, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do... Shadowhawk27 01:18, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I want to bring up that the GI article does say, "crew" member. There's a chance just a new NPC might be added on the ship, some sort AI/VI expert who interacts with EDI or maybe helps us finally get some use out of that Shepard VI? Just a thought.--Xaero Dumort 06:06, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe, however it also said new weapons, which is contradicted by all the other articles and Casey Hudson himself. However I guess we will have to wait until it comes out. For now, lets leave the GI article's mention of new weapons and a new crew member out for now, at least until we have had a change to play though the pack and find out for sure. Personally a new assault rifle and pistol would be good, however now I'm just ranting about something that I want to see. Lancer1289 06:10, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well i like the current M-76 Revenant Light Machine Gun better then the M-15 Vindicator Battle Rifle, how ever there's just one draw back, Shepard is the only person to get that while the rest of his squad (Garrus, Grunt, Legion, Morinth, Samara, and Zaeed) does not. I mean have you seen Zaeed Massani's Trailer? In it, Zaeed was using a M-76 Revenant Light Machine Gun he has at the gunship until it overheats. Shadowhawk27 13:24, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

@Lancer1289 Yeah, that's why I didn't bring up the weapon part, I wasn't suggesting putting the info in the article, just spit balling for discussion reasons. @Shadowhawk27 Really? I never noticed. Just watched and you're right. I had always wanted at least Zaeed to use it considering I didn't get one.--Xaero Dumort 18:02, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I guess I misunderstood what you intended to do. Maybe BioWare will mod the weapons system in the future so we can have access to all the weapons. I have only played though 2 soldier ME2 walkthoughs and the Revenant is good once you learn how to handle it. Lancer1289 18:16, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * When the Revenant is fully upgraded you mean, right? Shadowhawk27 19:56, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Another pistol would be a welcome addition, it's kind of boring everybody using the Carnifex. If you mod the Coalesced correctly, you can give Zaeed usage of the M76 as though it were a 'unique' weapon, as per Grunt's Claymore or Legion's Widow. I have at least, and it makes Zaeed that much more badass :P Phylarion 20:22, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * There a flaw to that mod, if you try to give everyone the weapon loadout, The Illusive Man would send you a message of the kidnapped crew of ssv normandy mark 2, even when you start at the begining of the game. Shadowhawk27 22:13, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Shadowhawk27 what was with the article that you added and removed? I seriously doubt that BioWare wouldn't release any more DLC. Lancer1289 21:13, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I miss read the article, it was reffering to other squadmates as dlc. Shadowhawk27 02:02, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Erm, no there's not, because that doesn't happen. I don't know quite what mod you're referring to, considering like I said above, 'If you mod the Coalesced correctly' like I have done, there is no 'flaw' whatsoever. Phylarion 21:42, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Spot on Lancer, cheers for the fix!
 * Spot on Lancer, cheers for the fix!

Geth ship
People are misreading the line in this article:

Getting to the AI requires visits to each of Overlord's new worlds, taking in a crashed geth ship along the way, there to find a key to unlock the final location.

This doesn't mean you are flying a Geth ship from planet to planet, it means that you are exploring a geth ship, taking in = taking in the sights. A later paragraph in the article confirms this:

Overlord in general appears polished, though, with the new water surfaces on the planets and the crashed, partly flooded geth ship looking particularly good.

So unless there's another article somewhere that specifies otherwise, there is not a geth ship standing in for the Normandy, simply a mission where you're exploring a flooded, crashed geth ship. Darth Something
 * However there is another article that says this. To find the AI, Shepard must use a geth ship to visit each of the new worlds and find a way to unlock Prometheus Station. So it seems that there is even more conficting data. Lancer1289 02:36, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok I modified the article to include both types of information. We will just have to wait in order to be sure what will happen. To avoid this problem in the future, be sure to check all the sources before calling someone out on something. Lancer1289 02:41, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

AI to VI
Ok I have just changed back all the VI to AI statements. Why was that even changed in the first place? Every source we have says that Shepard will be fighting an AI, so I don't see why it was changed. Lancer1289 17:46, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok I saw the source of the confusion, however while we do usually take BioWare's site over others, the rest of the sources describe it as an AI, including Casey Hudson in the video. So VI Overload however it evolves into an AI. Hopefully that will prevent an edit war. Lancer1289 18:09, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then why is it listed as "VI" in the description? Shadowhawk27 21:40, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably because that is what it was inteneded to be, however as scifi has proven many times over, these kind of things rarely turn out the way they were intended. However I think that AI is more appropiate becuase we have more sources that say AI, one being the executive director, so I think AI is more appripiate except where I have left it in the official description as VI becuase that is what it says on BioWare's site. Again everything else says AI so I think outside of the official description, AI is more appropiate. Lancer1289 21:43, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you say so, I wouldn't mind seeing a trailer to this new Overlord DLC like they did with the other DLC, (Kasumi Goto, Bring Down The Sky, ect) Shadowhawk27 21:49, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * If BioWare follows what it usually does, a trailer will be out about a week before the pack does. Give or take a day or two. Lancer1289 06:13, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Although changing everything to say the Overlord is an AI seems to be a big assumption. We don't know if the Overlord is sapient; exhibited behaviors such as defending itself and trying to escape (as seen in the premise, wherein we fight geth and mechs that the Overlord controls to prevent us from getting to it, and in the site summary, which states we have to stop the Overlord before it beams itself elsewhere) are possible in non-sapient beings, like a spider. Furthermore, where BioWare devs have said that the Overlord is an AI in interviews, that could just be because a) the interviewer may not be aware of what a VI is since it's a fairly specific piece of Mass Effect lore and the devs say "AI for convenience, and/or b) the devs, despite being "in the know", are capable of making mistakes. Anyway, just a thought. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:03, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Release Date
Is it known when the DLC would be released, or is the info the same as it is now, that it'll be released sometime next month? H-Man Havoc 15:01, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * If the date changes then we will modify the dates here. Unitl then nothing. Lancer1289 16:30, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a release date from GameSpy AU up, says June 30, 2010. PARAGADE74 19:32, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * However it isn't on BioWare's site, which is what we go by here. Until is up on BioWare's site, we don't post it here. Lancer1289 19:37, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll agree with Lancer1289 on that one, I don't buy this June 30th... Shadowhawk27 21:25, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * After some research, I found that Microsoft puts up new content on Tuesdays. In this case, June 28, seems more likely becaue of that. And because BioWare doesn't want 360 users or PC users to have an advantage when it comes to content, they also release content on Tuesday. By content I mean DLC packs for games, new songs for Rock Band, Guitar Hero, etc. They will relaease other items like videos, picture packs, themes, etc on any day, however it seems that DLC packs are released only on Tuesdays. However until BioWare says something or posts a release date, let's just leave it as it is currenlty. Lancer1289 21:37, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * So you're saying it's not June 28 right? Shadowhawk27 21:41, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * No I am not, we still don't know the release date. I said that June 28, a Tuesday, is more likely because fo the research I did. I just want to say again, I have no information that June 28 is the release date. However I'm sure once BioWare posts the release date on the site, it will be up here within a few minutes of the post. Lancer1289 21:47, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoa, chill man, no need to bite my head off, i was just asking O_O Shadowhawk27 21:49, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was probably the way you read it. I just wanted to make clear that I have no idea when the release date is, so somebody doesn't put it in the article. Sorry for any confusion that arose. Lancer1289 21:56, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * As Nostradamus "Bull" Shannon from Night Court would say, "Ooooh-Kay" Shadowhawk27 22:34, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to predict it now, for the record: Overlord will be released Tuesday, June 8, 2010. Call it a hunch. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:14, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Don't bet on it...Shadowhawk27 11:26, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've got precedent on my side. The majority of all ME2 DLC has been released on an early Tuesday in each month, and every release is roughly one month apart. If BioWare or whoever decides when to release DLC keeps up the pattern, I should be right. And it's not like I'll lose anything if I'm wrong. -- Commdor (Talk) 15:27, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Somehow I can't see BioWare releasing the pack in 4 days. Don't forget that the Firewalker Pack was released at the end of March so I'm thinking that BioWare will release the pack either on the 21st, or 28th. Maybe the 14th, but I can't see the 8th, unless something changes by Sunday. However that is me. Lancer1289 15:34, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree on this one, and also Commdor, Don't count your chickens before they hatch... Shadowhawk27 17:25, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * We'll see tomorrow. Like I said, I've got precedent going for me; if most previous ME2 DLC packs have been released near the start of each month, odds are Overlord will follow suit. Even if I'm wrong we still come out on top: we will be able to eliminate June 8 as the release, leaving the 15th, 22nd, and 29th as the only other windows. A little optimism doesn't hurt. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:38, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope a little optimism doesn't hurt at all. I guess we will have to wait and see. Lancer1289 19:42, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Being an optimist doesn't mean you have to be a walking cliche Commdor, but you will know that tomorrow is another day. Shadowhawk27 21:57, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, so it ain't today (curses, foiled again). Now to just wait and see for up to another three weeks. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:32, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Well i just came across this and not sure if the release date is true or not but it states the 15 of June for Overlord DLC, http://majornelson.com/archive/2010/06/10/coming-soon-to-the-xbox-live-marketplace-june-10.aspx Shadowhawk27 20:32, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, someone already tried that, but unfortunatly the BioWare site still says Coming Soon. I am hopeful that it will be out on Tuesday, but I can't say for certain. I am checking the BioWare site every day for an update, but so far nothing. We only use the BioWare site, and I just rechecked it, still coming soon. Until it is on BioWare's site, we shouldn't post a release date. Lancer1289 20:37, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * We shall see if the release date will stay true to it's word... Cause remember that Return to Ostagar Fiasco for Dagon Age? boy it cause quite an uproar.... Shadowhawk27 20:43, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed we shall see, I am very hopeful that it will come out on the 15th, as I can play it all night, but the whole BioWare site thing is a result of the Firewalker and Kasumi release dates. I really wish BioWare would just put up a date so we can stop this back and forth. I also hope we don't have a Return to Ostagar incident with this. That was very annoying, but I'd rather they take it off teh download list, fix the problem, and then rerelease it a few days later then have it mess up my game. However something tells me that BioWare learned from that mistake, so I don't see a repeat but anything's possible. Lancer1289 20:49, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Just to point out- any legitimate source is acceptable for something like a release date. Legitimate basically means a source that is known to be generally true, employs fact-checking, etc. So, no blogs, no wikis, no sites that have been known to print false materials. Magazines like PC Gamer, OXM, Game Informer, etc, and their associated sites are acceptable, as are the official XBox site, XBox Live info, etc. In this case, the information came from the Director of Programming for XBox Live (gamertag Major Nelson), who is most definitely a reliable source. It doesn't have to be just from BioWare, it just has to be from somewhere reliable/legit. SpartHawg948 01:16, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I guess I was in the wrong here. To be honest I didn't know who Major Nelson was, so I'd have to agree that he is a legit source. Well I guess I need to do some looking around, and bash my head against a wall a couple hundred times. Sorry to all for the contraversy and annoying edits that I have caused becuase of this. Now where is that wall. Lancer1289 01:23, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL (Does the victory dance) Shadowhawk27 03:04, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * You know, every time I admit I wrong about something, someone always does something like that. Seriously, every time. Lancer1289 04:34, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Really? who else does that besides yours truely? Shadowhawk27 12:08, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to beat a dead horse, Lancer, but here's the official announcement from EA basically backing up Major Nelson. Can't wait for tomorrow! PARAGADE74 14:12, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * @PAARAGADE74, considering that was released today, how is it related to the previous argument where I admitted I was wrong about Major Nelson. This came in after the fact, and after I was informed by two users that it was a very ligit source, so you are beating a dead horse.
 * @Shadowhawk27, basically every one I have met when they win an argument when the other person freely admits they are wrong.
 * The funny thing is that it still says coming soon on BioWare's site. Lancer1289 15:20, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Joker Dialog
I suspect this DLC will add some insight to Joker's statement, "'Now I have to spend all day computing pi because he [Joker] plugged in the Overlord.'" PhoenixBlue 18:55, June 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that was just a sarcastic statement made on the spur of the moment, voicing Joker's fear of AIs and his worries about what he might unleash by giving EDI control over the ship. The only thing the statement and this DLC pack have in common is the word "overlord". -- Commdor (Talk) 19:25, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * True, but then, we don't know much about the Overlord DLC at the moment. Mostly I'm just pining for the DLC to be released. :) PhoenixBlue 19:32, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been wondering about Joker's statement on The Overlord... Shadowhawk27 21:53, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you guys may be reading more into his comment than you need to. The crew just fear EDI being unshackled as organics buy and large tend to fear AIs. In this context Overlord is merely being used as a term for an all powerful ruler, i.e. EDI has complete control over the life support systems and thus, if she wanted to, could force them to do anything. In the context of the DLC it just sounds as though the AI/VI that is created is also extremely powerful and could cause a lot of damage to the universe.
 * Yeah, Joker just made the comment as he did not know what would happen if he took off EDI's locks. Basically, the DLC and the comment have abosolutely nothing in common. MEffect Fan 09:31, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, it was just a throwaway line by Joker, the two are almost certainly not related. Bronzey 10:36, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * We shall see once that DLC comes out if what you say is true... Shadowhawk27 02:40, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Shadow, you do know the DLC, like all the others, can be done at any point in the storyline. So... no we won't. MEffect Fan 02:47, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * We'll just have to find out on this comming tuesday for ourselves Shadowhawk27 12:09, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

New weapons?
Should there be any notes regarding the weapon shown in the new wallpaper for the DLC and whether or not this may be included in the DLC; contratictory to the Bioware's claims that there is to be no new player weapons? I can't quite tell if it is indeed a new weapon or not, my knowledge of Geth technology isn't that extensive, but if someone could look into this it'd be appreciated. Or we could just wait another few days till the DlC's release, if indeed that is the correct date however. http://masseffect.bioware.com/media/wallpaper/403
 * That appears to be a geth weapon, so avaliable, probably not. We have mulitple sources confirming that there are no new weapons, i.e. Casey Hudson himself, along with other magazine articles. As to the release date we have confirmed, after my stupidity, that the release date is Tuesday. Lancer1289 01:28, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw the Tuesday release date for XBox 360 ... any idea whether that release date will apply to the PC version as well? PhoenixBlue 01:33, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the confirmation then. Though it really would be nice to have something to take from the questline other than the codex entries (presumably), perhaps Bioware might just throw in a little trinket for the command quarters like they did with Firewalker and the Normandy Crashsite, unlikely, but we can only hope that they've outdone themselves this time round.^^
 * If Casey Hudson himself, stated that there are no new weapons, then what the heck is Kasumi and the Geth using in those pics? O_o Shadowhawk27 11:48, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * The mystery continues...Wyrmalla 13:30, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, maybe they are just saying that, but I guess we will have to wait until Tuesday to be sure. A new pistol would be a good addition. Lancer1289 17:19, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, maybe they are just saying that, but I guess we will have to wait until Tuesday to be sure. A new pistol would be a good addition. Lancer1289 17:19, June 12, 2010 (UTC)