User talk:Teugene

Hi, welcome to Mass Effect Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Upgrade guide page.

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Punctuation
If you're going to go to the trouble of undoing my edits to go back to British punctuation, then please at least be consistent. An article about a character that has a quote from that character at the top of the page with the period inside the quotes should also have a period inside the quotes throughout the rest of the article. Regardless of which "style" we use, each article should be consistent throughout and not change from American to British and back again within a couple paragraphs. Take Miranda's page, for example, which has 3 instances of the American-styled punctuation and one instance of the British-styled punctuation. This should be consistent regardless of which style it happens to be. Thanks for your understanding. JakeARoonie 23:06, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * According to the British English punctuation, the character quotation which has a period inside the quotes is valid and logical because the whole sentence is quoted, as opposed to quoted word(s) that belongs to a part of a sentence, hence the period is outside of the quotes. Example of what I meant:


 * When a whole sentence by itself is quoted - &quot;I always work at optimal capacity.&quot;
 * When a word (or words) in a sentence is quoted - The Reaper Harbinger is also known as &quot;Nazara&quot;.
 * If I reword the above example, the above punctuation would make more sense as the quoted words is within the construct of the sentence - &quot;Nazara&quot; is another name for the Reaper Harbinger.
 * Based on the examples above, the point on the quote you mentioned is consistent with British punctuation style. Although I prefer the British punctuation style as it is more logical to me, I'm also aware of the American punctuation style thus I do not feel the need to change all the articles with the American punctuation to a British punctuation style, in keeping consistent with this wiki language guide, the same way as we do not change the American spelling to a British spelling and vice-versa. However, I do agree with your point that an article should have ONE consistent style of spelling and punctuation. If it's American to begin with, then American style all the way and the same for British. Cheers mate! Teugene 05:57, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Anon IP blocked
217.23.233.103 blocked. Apologies for the inconvenience. --DRY 15:54, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, just glad he's finally blocked. Just unfortunate we have some immature brats who couldn't grow up. Also, I love cock. Teugene 16:10, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Mordin Solus Talk Page Comments
Since you also commented on CAW4's edit comment on the talk page, I just figured you should see what he told SpartHawg948 on his talk page. I just figured you should know. Lancer1289 17:55, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Shepard gender and romances
Just wanted to point out real quick- there is one tiny exception to the "no Shepard gender references", and that is when the sentence (or paragraph or whatever) in question is describing a situation that can only occur for one gender or the other, such as a romance with Jack. As it is impossible for a female Shepard to have a romantic relationship with Jack, "he" is fine. SpartHawg948 11:04, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Duly noted. I did realize that after I edited that. But well, no point changing it back. lol! Teugene 11:12, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed! It looks A-OK the way it is. I just noticed a lot of other "he"'s in there, and didn't want you going to the trouble of changing them, just to have at least some of them undone. That's never fun... :P SpartHawg948 11:22, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Mass Effect Planet Articles
I left some comments on DRY's talk page. I noticed you are working on some mission articles for Mass Effect and I just wanted to let you know that I am currently working on walkthoughs of the Mass Effect plot worlds. Currently I am working on Feros and you can see my progress here here. I was planning to trim down the associated planet articles and the guide when I had finished.

DRY suggested that we could work together to get the articles more in line with current standards and if you are willing to work with me about cordinating the planet articles with the walkthrough then I am all for it. Just respond here or on my talk page if you are. There is a lot of potential cross over material and I will post what I have to sandboxes if you are willing to work together. Lancer1289 13:09, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, Currently I use Microsoft Word to write my articles and I wasn't planning on posting them until I was done. DRY also suggested we work together, he added the comment while I was typing here. Lancer1289 13:13, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I find it is a good idea! I did noticed you were working on those walkthroughs articles, hence I thought that while I work on trimming the fats from those planets, those walkthrough information could be included your current work-in-progress. I'll be working on those edits in my sandboxes so it could be reviewed and commented before finalizing it. What do you think? Teugene 15:58, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good I will have what walhtoughs I have up by the end of the day. Hopefully. I'll add a link on my userpage to access my sandboxes. Lancer1289 17:38, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

I posted all the ones I have and what I think you are doing is great. Adding each change to the mission through the journal. I managed to break all the missions into one or two articles. Eden Prime, The Citadel, and Therum each have one article. Noveria, Feros, Virmire, and Ilos each have two. Here is the link to my sandboxes: link.
 * Took a quick look and I must say, it looks neat! Those planet articles could then be linked to those mission walkthrough articles. Looks like it's coming up quite well so far. I will take a look at the articles in detail over the next morning as I'm going to sleep real soon! Teugene 18:33, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't bother tonight then, but I'll look and see where the articles could link to based on their mission titles. I leave you a message on the article's discussion pages where they can link to. I'll use my sandbox links for now. Have a good night. Lancer1289 18:40, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * A user just added something to the Feros article that I have removed becuase of the rewrite but I have copied the information to your Feros Sandbox Discussion Page. I think it can be worked in and hopefully you can. Lancer1289 13:55, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

(reset indent) As I said on my talk page, I think you should put them up. They would do a whole lot better than the current ones and frankly they are a lot easier to read then trying to sort though all the plot info. The walkthough articles I just finished make that problem go away. Lancer1289 06:22, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * So much better without all the unnecessary plot info. You did a great job on them. Lancer1289 17:35, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup! Only wished it was done sooner, it could helped me save time looking for the right page when I first start playing ME! :P Teugene 17:40, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Mass Effect Walkthoughs
Sorry if I came across a little heated on my talk page. I was very tired at that point so I just wanted to clear the air. Anyway as to linking the articles I think that again you should just use the first journal entry becuase that is what we are currently using for ME2 articles, and I have already messed up on that point with the firewalker missions. I created an article that is now a redirect and I think that if we have every change in the journal it would give away too much. The short bits of information about the missions are good because they are major plot worlds and just somethings short in my opinion is good. Again sorry about if I came across as heated.

The planet articles are looking great by the way, you are doing a great job!Lancer1289 17:44, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, no worries... I wasn't under any impression that you sounded heated. I'm a pretty laid back person, so I don't get agitated easily ;) As to your suggestion, I shall probably look into the first journal entry and include into the articles then. In the mean time, I need to grab some screenshots for the articles. It's been a while since I've played ME!
 * Oh, if you're tired because of the numerous edits in MEW, do take some break enjoy the time away from MEW to "chill" or do something you enjoy (other than playing ME of course!) :D Teugene 18:19, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was just tired at the time beacuse I hadn't slept in about a day because of everything I have to do, mainly projects for school. I finally got them done earlier today but I really don't need a break. I play a lot of games and frequently enjoy the day with friends but thanks for the concern.
 * Also I asked DRY about adding missions to the Citadel article becuase every other planet and station article has them. Basically is the Citadel unique or just no one added them. Just wondering what you think as well. Lancer1289 06:29, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * About that thought on Citadel, I had a similar notion on Omega. Both locations are quite significant and I felt it don't do justice to both articles leaving the layout as it is right now. If you see the Omega article in my sandbox, I did a mock-up to get an idea on how the article would look like, though, all I did was to force the information to fit into a Planet template &mdash; like squeezing a round peg in a square hole. I was thinking of a new "SpaceStation" template or something along that line, and it should be similar to the Planet template style. It can be used for significant places like Citadel and Omega (and other space stations as well). I just haven't got around to do a Sandbox template for it yet but I will soon and then propose it to DRY and the other admins if they will give the green light for it. Teugene 08:02, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * A new template sounds good, becuase I do think that it is a good idea becuase a planet template isn't really good for stations and after looking at your template I think that it would be a lot better than using the planet one. Good work by the way. Lancer1289 13:33, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment. I'm not done with the template yet, just testing possibilities of the layout as I need to know how the template system works. On the other hand, I noticed not all the space stations can fit in a template as some do not have sufficient information, and those that do have have a very specific details. Well, I guess I'll just take my time in this template thing. Teugene 16:47, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

As to my comments on DRY's talk page, I did misunderstand you, mainly by misreading, then rereading, then bashing my head into a wall. Sorry about that. Lancer1289 05:48, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Currently I don't have the Noveria misison summery. I'll see about getting it ASAP. Lancer1289 20:01, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it currently I have a campaign on the Expose Saren mission and I am just about to fight Fist, so you don't have to. Also I am rechecking something in that mission so don't worry about it. I'll get it, Just though I'd say so you don't have to waste your time. As the Styx song says Too Much Time on My Hands, well I do have too much time on my hands. Lancer1289 20:23, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL! I shall wait then. I was nearly lured into replaying ME again when I took those screenshots for the planets. Oh the temptation! Teugene 20:25, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * It may take a day or two however because I need to check somethings on my Feros articles first. Just thought I'd let you know. Lancer1289 02:53, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

(reset indent) Since I saw you were online, I figured I should tell you that I should have the journal entry for Noveria by the end of the day and I will also have my Feros: The Thorian walkthough up as well in a few hours. I will post the journal entry on the discussion page of your Noveria Sandbox arcticle. Lancer1289 15:11, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's great! I shall keep myself busy by cleaning up other pages while I wait the final piece! Hoorah! Teugene 15:16, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * P/S: Btw, the other articles are ready for review and discussions..! Teugene 15:17, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just added the joruanl entyr to the Noveria Sandbox discussion page. Lancer1289 19:14, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I though that I'd tell you that my walkthoughs will be up by the end of the day. Currently only the final battle and Virmire are incomplete at the moment, however they will be done probably within the next 6 hours. Lancer1289 13:42, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

(reset indent) I just figured I'd let you know that I have just finished my walkthoughs and I welcome your comments on them. You can see the full list here and you can discuss them here. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 21:27, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, will check on it on my free time. Teugene 04:38, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know I said earlier that I wouldn't be adding images, however I have some free time and I am currently looking though all the uploaded images and finding quite a few good ones, so I'm adding them becuase there are some good pics in the archives. Lancer1289 23:35, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's nice. I will try to capture images for the walkthroughs of Kasumi and the Firewalker too as I have not played those DLC yet, lol. Yeah with the busyness and a busted PC, didn't have much time at the moment. Teugene 00:58, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Again that really sucks, but it is amazing some of the images we have in the archives here. Lancer1289 01:14, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Tali
I truly fail to see how a useful piece of tactical information can be some vague reference to another game? Can you explain that to me? I didn't see a reason for the revert in the summary line. I have also heard her say it with the drone inactive. --Kingclyde 08:07, April 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well at The Vault, we don't make references to other games made by the same company. Example would be something in Fallout being similar to Oblivion or another Beth game. As for you saying it is not a useful piece of tactical information, either you never actual killed geth that way or you don't play the game that much. You also didn't read the part where I stated she says that without the combat drone activated. So that alone discounts the fact that that is a reference. If it only happened with it active, then I can see you point. Either way, your mind is set and I'm not going to change it. Let alone edit here again. Thanks. --Kingclyde 23:40, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Character Power Pages
Wow you're fast, or did you just hit save page on all at about the same time? Either way, that was quick. Lancer1289 20:36, May 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Or I could be living in a time-warp :P But in truth, you're right ;) I had all the pages opened in tabs, made all the edits, and saved it in one go! Teugene 20:42, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Just a quick question, when you created all the powers for the squad members, I am just curious why didn't you create pages for Shepard's class powers? Just wondering, no offence intended. I just finished them and now its 3am, man you have to love soda and caffeine, so I am going to bed. Just in case you are wondering why you don't get a response right away. Lancer1289 08:18, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, good question! Honestly, I wasn't aware about it as I hardly ever read Shepard's classes articles. So... I guessed those articles just slipped right off my radar! Anyway, you've done all the good hard work shifting those info already! ;) Teugene 08:57, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * And I see you've also included the links to squad class powers into the Powers article as well! I've been meaning to do it for a while, had a little table planned for it as well but I couldn't finish it as my busyness at work taken a lot of time at the moment. Teugene 09:06, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well the only reason I added them was because a user added a list of them, then I removed it. However after a comment on my talk page, I took a second look and figured it was the best place for it. After readding the list, I noticed that Shepard's class powers didn't have pages so that is why I added them. Lancer1289 15:11, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Mainspace templates
Were the recent changes to the spoiler templates discussed somewhere? We don't encourage changes to mainspace templates without discussion. --DRY 02:11, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Unique Dialogue Pages
Hey I just figured I'd let you know that I just added some dialogue pages for the remaining squad members. Since I know you rewrote the pages for the ME squadmates, could you take a second look over them so see if there is anything I missed. I know I didn't do a good look over, but I think I got the major ones from both Ashley and Kaiden's. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 06:30, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure thing! I will have a look at it. Hopefully I'm not bogged down by the lack of time I'm experiencing these days. Teugene 04:11, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Style Guide Logos
Teugene, currently I am rewritting the Class Style guides and I was hoping that you would help with something that relates to the rewrite. Currently there are two images that are good for a picture for the guides. Both images have a modificaion of the image currenlty on the Sentinel Guide (Mass Effect 2) page.
 * Style One: Has the image along with the codex image from ME behind it.
 * Style Two: Has an image just the class title is switched.

Please take a look and comment on my talk page, under the heading Class Guide Logos, subheading Style One Vs Style Two. I will have a seperate section set up for each style. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 23:15, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for voting, however Dammej was working on another project that turned out great. I'd like ask you to check it out in his sandbox and comment on whether we should go with just the standard image, or the new ones on the article's talk page. Thanks again in advance. Lancer1289 04:48, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Table of Contents
Since I really don't want to clog up Dammej's talk page, I figured we could move this here. I do see what you mean, however I do think that an image couldn't hurt. I'll play around a little bit with it in my sandbox and let you know when I have it finished or if an image in that case really doesn't work. Lancer1289 04:02, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok I played around a little bit and check out my Adept Guide (Mass Effect 2), and comment on the talk page. Personally where I have it looks good and still has the TOC on the screen when you open the page. However I'd like you opinion. I'll drop Spart a line as well. Lancer1289 04:19, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help
Hey, just wanted to say thanks for removing the move tags from those pages. I was going to remove them while I waited for the "throttle" that kept me from continuing to move pages disappeared. But I discovered that you had already taken care of them! Thanks for that. :P Wish I could move more than 2 pages every 3 minutes. argh. Dammej 09:12, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem mate! :) About moving more than 2 pages every 3 minutes, you could open all those pages in its own browser tab, edit and move it all in one go! Teugene 09:43, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually I couldn't. :\. That's exactly what I'd planned to do. I had all 13 of the pages open in their own tab, but after the first two successful moves, it told me that I was "throttled" from doing any more moves for a few minutes. Perhaps I don't yet have the edit-count for it to allow me to move with impunity. Or is there another way to do a sort of "mass move" that I don't know of? Dammej 10:13, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Throttled? Hmm, that's something new to me...was not aware nor never occurred to me before. Maybe it's some sort of fail-safe against vandalism. Teugene 11:44, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Multi-Page Articles
Just wanted to get your input on a new template proposal I made to enhance the usability and standardize the layout and usage of multi-page articles like Timeline and other progressive assignments and missions. The ongoing discussion can be found on the MoS/General talk page.

I would appreciate any input you might have to offer. Thanks :) --silverstrike 17:02, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

New power template usage
Hey, congrats on 1,000 edits! Anyway, just wanted to leave a note here. The class image is actually built-in to the power table template now, so classimage=... doesn't actually do anything. If you want to show an image, just remove the "showclassimage=no" parameter. You can check out the PowerTable template for more info on parameters. :) Dammej 21:59, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey thanks! I didn't realize about it until you mentioned! Hahaha. Thanks for alerting me about it, will go and change it back . Wasn't aware of that optional parameter. Also, I was just about to leave you a message asking about something for your opinion. Was just wondering if you feel whether stating the class in the PowerTable in the class pages (Vanguard, Adept, etc) is repetitive when the page already states what class it is? Or is there any parameter to "hide" the name? Teugene 22:15, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoops, looks like you're quicker than me! Teugene 22:17, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. :) As for the class name on the page, I wasn't sure about that, to be honest. Since no one brought it up on the talk page, I figured I'd leave it in and see how it looks. If it looks like it should be hidden, it should be a pretty small change to add a parameter to hide it. Dammej 22:34, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably no one notices it until the new templates are implemented in the class article. Heh. Like you said, an additional parameter could do the trick! Hopefully it won't break anything! Teugene 22:38, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to just jump in here, but I really don't see a problem with it. Unless someone comments, I think we should just leave it. That is my opinion. Lancer1289 22:40, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not so much of a problem per se. Just more of a usability "enhancement", "less is more" kind of stuff. Teugene 01:32, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh well, I was just giving my opinion. I really feel that either way would be fine, but I though I would say that it would just be more in line with the rest of the template usage. However I like consistency so that may by that is a little bias. Again that's just me. Lancer1289 01:43, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Spart's Talk Page
I just wanted to let you know that I didn't remove any of your comments. When the edit conflicts came up, I just copied way to much information when I put my comment back in. I copied your last comment in addition to my own, curse my computer for selecting too much. I just wanted to let you know about that and appoligize if it seemed like I removed your comment as well. Again curse my computer for doing that. Lancer1289 18:00, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah no worries, it's no big deal. I'd figured I will probably cause some edit conflict anyway! Teugene 18:04, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Policy Forum
I don't know whether or not you have noticed but there is currently a proposal to establish a new forum where policy for the ME Wiki can be debated and voted on. The forum would allow anyone to bring to a policy question to the attention of the community and we could use some input. Take a look at the proposal on the Forum:Policy Forum page. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 02:41, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Updating the ME2 Enemy infobox
Hey there, I've been working on yet another change to the templates we have in use. I'd like to update AdversariesME2 to add a "health bar" which quickly indicates what defenses an enemy has. I'm also looking for suggestions on other ways to update it. If you have the time, I'd really appreciate it if you could have a look at the examples in my sandbox, then head over to the project page and give your thoughts, comments, suggestions, and criticisms on what I have so far. Thanks! Dammej 06:34, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Capitalizations
Since that conversation has no bearing on the talk page anymore I figured we could shift it here, or my talk page I really don't care, but just one of them please. Anyway, again I can see the class names, if I am proven incorrect, but I do think that powers should be lower case, becuase most of the guides are written that way, i.e. using powers/talents like throw or lift here is recommended, or something along those lines. I really don't think that powers should be capitalized, but again if this has come up before, or part of it, then please by all means prove me incorrect. Lancer1289 16:56, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm alright with discussing here. Anyway, just an example of using proper noun in this wikia is none other than Commander Shepard. We could have used "commander" but we know we are specifically referring to a name of a person, not another commander elsewhere, hence the capitalization. Similarly, the classes and powers is a specific name, not a common generic word. Example from the previous edited sentence:




 * From the sentence itself, we know that barrier is a specific power, not some common thing (a wall barrier, an armour barrier) but the name of the power. Same goes for Tech Armor. What about sentinel? What sentinel are we referring to? An unknown soldier or a watchman? It's definitely no other Sentinel but the name of the class. Teugene 17:09, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * And about the guides, the capitalization of the classes/powers ain't consistent anyway if you noticed. Something which I meant to fix for a while now but I've been AWOL for so long, I kinda forgot about it. Teugene 17:13, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well when you put it that way, and since I am a logical person, usually, I guess I can't deny that logic. I also found your conversation with Spart in one of his archives about the class names, so I guess I'm wrong there. As to the talents/powers, they aren't consistent at all as everyone has their own opinion. Some are lower case, like me, and others upper case, so this does need to be hammered out. Again I really don't think that they should be capitalized but the example you provided presents more of a situational thing where it could go either way. However even in that sentence, what else could tech armor be refereing to. Lancer1289 17:20, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, it is hard to find backup in the game for powers as they only use singualrity, or at least as far as I have found. In both Ascension and ME2 singualrity is lower case, as it should be in Ascension given the context, page 113 bottom paragraph, but the ME2 one I'm not too sure about. Rmember meeting Conrad in Eternity, where the bartender wants to "slap his ass with a singularity". I think she is refering to it in general but it sould also be the power itself. This is very confusing. Lancer1289 17:28, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * (Conflict) Perhaps this could be clearly written in the style guide, similar to what the races and Commander had. It would be helpful in deciding spellings edit in this future without having to edit back and forth of whether to capitalized or not (that's why I didn't revert your edit at first). As for the tech armor, it'll seem pretty straightforward in the right context. But powers like Warp, Barrier, Overload will be hard, The trickier ones will be Throw, Pull, Charge (Will it be pull the verb or the power?). That would be a massive a headache to read if it's not capitalized. Teugene 17:32, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * P/S: Also, on the Bioware ME2 website, classes and powers are capitalized. Teugene 17:40, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * As to the class names, I do think it follows that becuase it is a title it is capitalized, but you've already convinced me on that point, and so has Spart. However with that link, and the fact that I copied those paragraphs from the site, I guess it would seem that our minds are made up for us. However this will be a problem with implementation, since all the guides I wrote, which is most of them, use lower caase power and talent names. :) Lancer1289 17:59, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I figured implementation is another issue. That's why it's hard to get my lazy bum (or rather, my busy bum!) up and make the changes. A suggested solution is to put it in the style guide and the forums and let the community help to change instead of taking it all upon our shoulders alone. Teugene 18:13, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll drop Spart a message about capitalizations and get his opinion about the powers first, and it will probably be more along the lines as user's come across them, they will fix them, hopefully. While I do have time, I also need to get ready for fall classes which I start in jsut two weeks. I'll also deop a few Projects Forum about it once I get Spart's response. Lancer1289 18:20, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * That seems perfect. I'll drop by and help once a while whenever I'm able to. Missing this wikia a little since AWOL. :) Teugene 18:45, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Just because a secondary spelling exists, that doesn't make it right. "Ain't" ain't a word, ya know?

Spelling correction
"sceptical" is NOT the proper spelling of the word. Check dictionary.com if you don't believe me.
 * You mean this? Looks like there's an entry on it. Even the word skeptical has a link to "sceptical". And in case you are not aware, US English isn't the only type of English used in here. Teugene 10:57, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * And what exactly makes the British version the "correct" version then? (Subatomique 10:59, August 11, 2010 (UTC)) 
 * And what exactly makes the British version the "correct" version then? (Subatomique 10:59, August 11, 2010 (UTC)) 
 * And what exactly makes the British version the "correct" version then? (Subatomique 10:59, August 11, 2010 (UTC)) 
 * And what exactly makes the British version the "correct" version then? (Subatomique 10:59, August 11, 2010 (UTC)) 

lol, now you've reverted the edit back to something that leads to a dead link AND the supposedly "incorrect" spelling. Awesome show, great job!


 * Read the style guide about the usage of English in this wiki. It is not an issue of whether it is the "correct" version, but whether it is a necessary or a pointless one. Teugene 11:03, August 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * P/S: I'll fix that in a moment. Teugene 11:06, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Uh huh... so, how exactly is it not pointless for you to be continually changing the spelling if you already believe both are acceptable and the change isn't needed? Are you just trying to raise your edit count? Don't like new people making edits? Sphincter too tight?

Wow, no offense or anything, but you're a complete dick. YOU started this whole thing by changing the spelling of something you already believe wasn't necessary. If it didn't matter and both spellings are "correct" in their own right, why are you so obsessed with fixing something that isn't incorrect? Do you just enjoy raising your edit count or what? A bully to the new guys? Whatever though, if it really means so much to you to be "right" about everything, go ahead and keep your precious edit. Just for the record, with a 'k' is the more widely accepted spelling. Have fun bullying others and making useless edits to stroke your e-peen, ego, or whatever it is you're trying to do.

Making threats now too, eh? That's real classy of you, Teugene.
 * Making threats? Oh no, not at all sir, uh I mean, kid. It's right there in the guidelines, something which I bet you did not read too. And you did not just remove your comments, but mine as well. Looks like you can't handle corrections and now throwing a tantrum, kid. Go play elsewhere. Teugene 11:41, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

lolwut.

Please do keep in mind that YOU were the one to make the initial change, quite pointlessly. Pointless by your own admission, no less. But I guess it pays to have low friends in high places though, right? :-) Take care and God bless.
 * Either you had amnesia or I must have dreamt of making a pointless edit. Quite the contrary, you made the edit, which is already pointless in the first place, and I reverted it, plain and simple. The wiki's history will prove that quite easily. Have a good day. Teugene 11:51, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you "reverted" it when it didn't need to be. Your own edit was pointless, according to YOU. Try to keep up with me here, champ.
 * No need to play "chicken or egg came first" game. We know who started it, and everyone in the wiki knows how it will end. Teugene 12:01, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

It ends with you being a cunt and getting away with it, basically. An asshole that makes edits and corrections when they aren't needed. Yeah, you really come out as the "winner" on that one. I'm totally jealous.

I've been called a "dick", "cunt", and an "asshole", all in the same day! I'm honoured! What's with your affection for human orifices, I wonder. Now let's see, who was it that changed a spelling which claimed not to exist? After proving you wrong, you then use a flawed reverse logic, trying to make me the "culprit" and "starting the issue", when clearly, you created a non-issue and can't take the correction. And for the record, "c" is the more widely accepted spelling here, as well as in most countries where International English (aka British English) is used. And me bullying new guys? Where oh where did I ever push you around, or even intimidating you. The comments is all for to see, and I'm pretty convinced that my words were never anywhere close to "bullying" nor "intimidating" as you claimed. And if I get tumours, so be it if it's God's will. I just hope it won't happen to you, because it is clear you can't handle a simple correction, I can't imagine how you would be able to handle a matter of life or death. Probably blaming God for "bullying" you eh? Teugene 16:57, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

SKEPTICAL.
I just love how you're able to get away with so much "intimidating/threatening behaviour" but anyone else gets banned for it. May your God one day be kind enough to smile down upon you and bless you with many inoperable brain tumors.

Appoligies and Thanks
Sorry for not taking care of the vandel, but I just woke up about 20 minutes ago. Again thanks for dealing with him and a staff member getting to him first. Lancer1289 16:09, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries! :) I'm aware that some people might still be asleep on the other side of the world. Fortunately a staff dealt with the brat. Though, this one (User:Subatomique) isn't banned yet. You can read my summary of events at Spart's talk page. Teugene 16:15, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look once I catch up. However I'll be on the lookout for him. However it appears I have a few things to read don't I. And thank you to the staff. Lancer1289 16:17, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah the issue was dragged on so long, I nearly couldn't keep up myself. Hence I summarised the issue for easier reading. Thank God for Wiki histories! Teugene 16:31, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

After reading through all of the evidence, I plan to give Subatomique a 3 month ban for his actions and comments intimidating behavior and insulting other users. I plan to up the block level for 99.7.252.200, 173.233.72.34, 64.79.92.98, 109.123.80.69, and 173.236.37.90 to three months for the whilwind that stormed up. Given the nature of all the edits, it is pretty clear who it was and what was being done. I don't know what Spart would do, but is enough evidence to warrent all the bans. I'll get to work on them. Lancer1289 17:02, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Phew! Hopefully that gives me some peace here for some time, though I suspect he could come back any time since he is on a broadband with a dynamic IP connection. This is not the kind of warm and peaceful return I was expecting! :P Teugene 17:11, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * My appoligies for not getting back sooner, curse my router failing at just the wrong moment, and having to reset it twice in 24 hours. I really want to throw it into the street, but since it's all I got, I can't. Oh well. Again thanks for handeling him again, and at Spart's suggestion, I'll be upping the blocks to a year, for all 7 of them now. Lancer1289 18:57, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

My Sincerest Thanks
Again I would like to thank you for dealing with mr spam. I really don't think it will stop for reasons that MEffect Fan has already stated, so we need to keep on the lookout. Fortunately I have fixed my router so it shouldn't fail again, and I'll be on the lookout until about 2am CST, or the next 12 hours. So since I know you live in Southeast Asia, take some well deserved sleep. And again my sincerest thanks. I will also talk to Spart about giving you rollback powers as well. Your reputation for making edits stands as a testament to your qualifications. Lancer1289 19:18, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome :) Yea, "junior" held me back from sleep a little later than usual but nothing very serious. And I appreciate your recommendation. Thanks :) Teugene 19:37, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Class Guide Opening Paragraph
During the rewrite, I took the opening paragraphs directly from the BioWare site, see here for more on the ME ones. Those paragraphs are, like journal entries to remain prestine from the site, and while they may contain a few errors that are countered in game, Omni-tools for example, they do have to remain like that. A headache probably, but its my headache to bear. Lancer1289 16:17, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thank You!
It has come to my attention that an anonymous troll vandalized my user homepage earlier today. You dealt with him. And for this, I thank you from the heart :) Fiery Phoenix 16:27, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries mate, you would have done the same! ;) As you can see, the anonymous troll was the same person above who couldn't take a little correction and threw a tantrum in this wiki. Teugene 17:25, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't you think tantrum would be an understatment compared to other vandels, who use a user name, maybe, and/or just one IP. He used a user name and 7, yes 7, IPs. Since he hasn't been back, I'd say we go them all, I hope. Lancer1289 17:38, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, it is an understatement! I would have used much harsher words against him but I risk getting banned for "crude and offensive language" and "insulting other users".. heh. Then again, there's no need to stoop low to a child's maturity level yea? ;) Teugene 17:50, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed there was no need to stoop to his level. Lancer1289 17:52, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly. The worst insult to an enemy is to tell them they're not worth killing. I'm sure he won't be back - at least not anytime soon. Fiery Phoenix 18:39, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

SR-2 Article
There is another problem with that page that isn't a result of the RTE, I think not too sure. However it would appear that way. Anytime someone edits the crew section, or the whole article, it inserts a huge amout of space into the article. Since I have had enough of it, I am going to be modifying the crew section to not use the code that is currently there. However since you have knowledge of HTML code, perhaps you can answer a question for me. What does , , and  do? That is if you know of course. Lancer1289 18:04, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

If I may, I can help since I like HTML.

''The DL element defines a definition list. An entry in the list is created using the DT element for the term being defined and the DD element for the definition of the term.''

''A definition list can have multiple terms for a given definition as well as multiple definitions for a given term. Authors can also give a term without a corresponding definition, and vice versa, but such a structure rarely makes sense.''1

I hope that is what you are looking for. GrandMoffVixen 18:17, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * (conflict) Hey, well, the ,  and  are definition tags, mainly for semantics. I seldom use those though. To be honest, I'm not sure what effect it has when used with &lt;nowiki&gt;. Maybe I should do some experiments in a sandbox.
 * And btw, thanks for the revert. Just a split moment I'm away and I get this thing. It's sad that people sees undos as some malicious ill-will act or something. Sigh. Teugene 18:25, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I misunderstood that question to mean what the effect of those tags has with &lt;nowiki&gt; tag. Teugene 18:25, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem on the revert, just another troll who can't take an edit being undone. Even I get edits undone sometimes and I don't take offense, unless someone is edit warring or something like that.
 * As to the code, thanks for defining it. I have some HTML, C++, Visual Basic, and Java coding experience, but not as much on the HTML end. I can make do usually, but never seen those tags before. Lancer1289 18:28, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

In order to make it explode, so to speek, I think you have to be using the RTE, and not using the source code button. Again I'm guessing, but I have editied out the code to hopefully prevent it from happening again. Lancer1289 18:43, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Bingo. Lancer1289 18:47, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * It explodes! Heh. I was just testing the effect of using both editors, and the initial suspicion that the RTE caused this has been confirmed. It is the main culprit! Teugene 18:49, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I edited out the code from the article and made the sections match. However I just wanted to get your opinion, what do you think about banning the RTE altogether? Lancer1289 18:52, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, although using plain text editing could possibly reduce editing problems, those problems are usually few and far in between. As the RTE is the default editor, and by forcing to disable RTE altogether, my concerns are that it might cause a higher learning curve for newcomers, especially those new to wiki and html tags and codes. Also, I'm not aware if there's any wiki-wide option to disable RTE altogether (though you might know that better), but if there isn't, I wonder if the policy will give his wiki the impression of rigid and inflexible to newcomers.
 * Perhaps an alternative is to guide newcomers on the pros and cons of using RTE. It could also possibly help the impression of a warmer and closer wiki when the community helps one another. Teugene
 * Well they disabled it on the Dragon Age Wiki, and I think a few others, not sure on that one. However maybe there is a way for us to disable it as the default editor, because it generally causes more ill than good. When I joined I have always found editing using wiki text is much easier than using the RTE. I'll talk to Spart about it, but thanks for your opinions. Maybe if we aren't going to disable it entirely, then maybe taking it off as the default editor. Lancer1289 19:16, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, looks like our fellow brethren in DA isn't fond of RTE as well. To be honest, thought I dislike RTE, I'm a little more on the fence on this one. Any policies that works best for this wiki is fine by me. Maybe a "walkthrough" page of wiki editing for newcomers if we go in the direction of disabling the RTE. Teugene 19:25, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * If we do that, then yes I would have to say a new "Mass Effect Wiki:" article for editing, and remove the link to the current one as it is just for the RTE. I'll talk it over with Spart, just so I don't keep you up any longer. Lancer1289 19:30, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

New Skin
I need to do some asking around, but from what I can gather, we use a special tool to modify the background and the articles. So I need to ask some questions, but I thought I should inform you of this. Lancer1289 19:18, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * About poking around. JoePlay just responded to my question I left earlier, so I guess I'm going to have to go poking around. Lancer1289 19:21, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of the ThemeDesigner tool but I'm not an admin, so I can't really see what's tool it is all about. Maybe I'll go create some dummy wiki and see what's it like. Anyway, I think I'm kinda done with the quick customization. Will look around if anything else need fixes. You can check it out at User:Teugene/wikia.css and see if it works with our new skin. — Teugene (Talk) 19:27, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll be sure to. Also I have to ask some questions about other things, but I'll let you know what develops. Also about the backgrounds, it needs to be under 100kb in order for us to use it. See my talk page for more on that. Lancer1289 19:32, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed you changed the theme. We could choose the closest theme to our colours and I'll adjust the customization to it. — Teugene (Talk) 19:40, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Image posted on my talk page
Is there any chance that, now that there is a forum about the wordmark, you could remove the image you added to my user talk page? I don't like images on my talk page, which is why I have made it clear in the past (most recently about a month and a half ago) that I don't want images there. A link to the image is fine, but not an actual image. Thanks, SpartHawg948 20:50, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I want to help out adding italian language to the wiki. How can I do this? Where do I start?

Congratulations
Just figured I should let you know that your proposal for the Wordmark was chosen for the MEWiki's wordmark, so I guess congratulations are in order. Just letting you know how that turned out, no runoff election was needed as your proposal got more votes, more than double actually, than the other two that got votes. Again congratulations. Lancer1289 17:39, October 27, 2010 (UTC)