Talk:Samara

What is this?

Don't simply create pages with a quote and an infobox. If there's information enough for an article, put it in. If not, why has it been created in the first place? --Tullis 19:18, November 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. This entire article consists of a quote, an infobox (which is of course not warranted given the criteria for infoboxes around here) and some speculation. This is not needed. I say delete. When we get some actual, substantive info, the page can be resurrected. SpartHawg948 20:27, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Should I Include/Add This?
"Not quite sure exactly when it first becomes available, but most definitely after you've completed the game, you gain access to conversation with Samara to talk about Justicars. When you 'investigate' the option 'the code' she ends her answer with "There is only the code." Fellow fans of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, another game by the same creators of Mass Effect (Bioware) is about the Jedi and during the main characters training, there is the Jedi Code test, 1 of 3, which must be passed, where one must memorize the code."

-It was something I noticed and recognized, and sounded so similar to the part in KotOR when he says "There is no death, there is only the Force" or SOMEONE says "There is only the code" SOMEWHERE, but I can't seem to find the info to source it or back up my claim... --Blaze55555 2:50AM Pacific Time, August 15th, 2010
 * That's going to be a no on adding it. For one main reason. There really is no basis for the purported trivia. The Jedi Code as it appears in KOTOR reads: "There is no emotion, there is peace.

There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the Force."


 * Notice there is nothing in there about 'there is only the ___'. Not the Force, not the code, nada. The wording is somewhat similar to half of the last line, but not overly so. So there's really no basis for a comparison. Maybe if the Code Samara was referring to was more like the Jedi Code, but it isn't. Basically, the last line of your post answered your question. If you have no info or source to back your claim, it should not be included. SpartHawg948 10:28, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Samara Edit
I would like to edit the Samara page, but I see no edit page sign. Can you help me, please?
 * Click "edit this page" at the top. --Tullis 19:42, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

i Would like to open up a forum on this subject cause i am having difficulty even getting her daughter out of the bar..... I can get her talking and then seem to do well after talking about music and art but then whatever choice I make next Morinth gets up and leaves. Someone please post the talk tree for this quest.

Which Trailer
So which trailer is it that shows Samara helping Shepard look for Thane? The only asari I've seen aiding Shepard search for Thane doesn't appear to have the same distinctive tattoos as Samara, nor the same skin tone. SpartHawg948 20:40, November 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, found the trailer myself and added it so that now the article is (gasp!) actually sourced!!! On a related note, with articles of this nature, sourcing needs to be provided ASAP (meaning that, in this case, it should have been included when the page was created). The sourcing is the foundation of an article of this nature, and you need a strong foundation.
 * On a related note, not once in the video did I see/hear mention of Samara assisting Shepard in searching for Thane, so unless another source is forthcoming, that bit is getting axed. SpartHawg948 20:56, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

New trailer.
http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/masseffect2workingtitle/video/6241565/mass-effect-2-samara-trailer

Hi.


 * Yup. That's the video that I added as source material, that is currently the only source for the article (unless there's another Samara video I was unable to locate), which states nothing about Thane, or looking for Thane, or anything about Thane, one way or the other. SpartHawg948 21:05, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Clean-Up
How could we better organize this page? We've got a picture, we've thrown in the ME2 banner for information regarding her quest... --Tecni 00:43, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * There's a huge chunk of paragraph with no line breaks or links in it, Shepard is referred to as "him" when we don't refer to Shepard by gender, and there's huge gaps all over the place. --Tullis 00:36, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed the "him" problem. I'm still new to adding information to wikias, so I'm not entirely sure of how to add links where they're needed in that paragraph. I'll try to figure it out and add them where they're needed. --Tecni 00:43, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * The Mass Effect Wiki Style Guide has help and links to helpful articles if you need them. And welcome. Sorry if I seem tetchy; a flood of new edits is always hard to cope with. : ) --Tullis 00:50, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries, thanks for the link. I can't imagine how many articles you need to go through to make sure they're up to standard. Thanks for the welcome, too!--Tecni 00:55, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Is she a squad member?
Do we actually have confirmation she's a squad member, or are people just adding her to Characters believing she is? --Tullis 00:35, December 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, her video does have the whole "mission profiles" thing at the beginning that has been there for all the other characters confirmed as party members. Tophvision 00:39, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * She's confirmed as one of the squad members, as Tophvision said, in the start of her video. --Tecni 00:42, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

info box
Is it just me, or does the info box look way too big to anyone else? SpartHawg948 01:37, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably my fault; I was adding internal links to the paragraph and might have hit something wrong. Is there any way to shrink it? --Tecni 02:22, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * You're asking the wrong guy there, which is why I never mess w/ infoboxes except to delete unnecessary ones! :) SpartHawg948 02:25, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Drat! Oh well. I imagine some person handy with those boxes will come around and kindly fix it up sooner or later. --Tecni 02:39, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * The image file was too big, you needed to add a |320px (or whatever number) to the image tag. I've taken care of it. Compare my edit where I say the image is too pig to the previous edit to see what I did if you're unsure.JakePT 03:59, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Quote
In my edit where I fixed spacing and added a quote I apparently overrode Matt xMan's quote he added, while I was editing, with a different one. There are two different quotes, I dpn't mind which one we use. I used the one I prefer, but I have no qualms reverting to Matt's quote of others prefer. JakePT 03:57, December 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I gotta say, I prefer the current quote to the finding peace with the Goddess one. From what we've seen so far, the current one speaks a lot more to her character. SpartHawg948 04:08, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the messege, but I have to say I like Jake's quote a little more. If possible, could we add two of our quotes?--Matt xMan 04:15, December 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Not unless the article gets a LOT longer. This one is barely enough to justify one quote, and definitely not two. SpartHawg948 04:25, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I get ya.--Matt xMan 05:33, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Samara/Mordin voice actors
Maggie Baird and Michael Beattie claim to voice these characters (here and here - under the 'What’s New' section). This info was posted on their websites a few months ago before the characters were publicly revealed and both have worked with ME's casting director before, so I don't see any reason why this information would be inaccurate (other than the small possibility that they just provided placeholder VO for the characters).

Is this good enough to add to the wiki? Or should we just wait for some official confirmation from BioWare?--Morlan 04:21, December 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * I say it is, don't see how else they could have gotten the names (assuming the info was up when you say it was). JakePT 04:24, December 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * If it were just IMDB as a source, no way, as there have been some issues that have come to light lately that have caused IMDB info to no longer be considered iron-clad, set in stone documented proof. But as they list it as such on their websites, as well as the other tidbits of info you provided, we should be g2g to list that info. SpartHawg948 04:28, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Samara killing someone in a trailer
Who isshe killing in a trailer looks like asari biotic right? It is not liara yes?91.76.93.114


 * It is not liara, if you watch it carefully it looks like samara's twin sister so who knows, and why is shepard standing there like a ficcus??

New Picture
if possible could comeone find a new picture the current one makes her look far to masculine, and i just watched the trailer i dont think she looks that masculine, i dont know if its an effect of the scenery or what but hte picture just dont seem right. 68.61.39.252


 * Isn't a masculine asari an oxymoron? I think she looks fine. Pretty much the only way to make her look more feminine would be a shot that shows more of her body, and we do tend to like to keep character pictures (especially the infobox ones) focused on the face, as that tends to be A) What you most associate with that character, and B) What you see the most of, especially in conversations. If you have a different picture that you think would look better, by all means upload it and we'll discuss it, but I for one am of the opinion that this one looks fine for now. SpartHawg948 09:15, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the current picture's fine, I don't know what you're on about. Also, it's sourced from the highest quality image available, so any replacement wouldn't look as good. Also as Spart touched on, this image is the perfect framing for conveying the necessary information for a an infobox picture. I'm sure once the game is out and we can fill the page with more info there'll be room for more screenshots from different angles, but for now, this one's fine. JakePT 10:15, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Morinth
Apparently, Samara "shares" her party spot with Morinth (ie it's possible to get Morinth in the squad, but not both Morinth and Samara simultaneously) Anybody who knows more details about this care to update the article? I'm not even really sure what to do with it, given how optional this appears to be (it looks like it's a renegade only option)


 * From what I have seen/heard, Morinth is Samara's daughter. During Samara's loyalty mission you have the chance to kill one of them, so my guess is the one you don't kill joins you. But, I can't 100% confirm this. 112 04:27, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Infinite Paragon w/ Samara
So I thought I'd put this up here, since it's over on Lorik's page from ME, and likely should be up on those where it's possible for ME2 as well.

Someone else is free to check this, and confirm it before it would go up.

It's possible to get infinite paragon points at the very end of Samara's loyalty quest, if you chose her instead of Morinth, she will ask you if you are ready to leave yet. If you ask her "Are you okay?" she'll speak a bit, then tell her "Not Yet." you'll stay in Morinth's apartment, get +2 Paragon points, and Samara will say "Very well, I will remember the day of Morinth's birth. Tell me when you are ready" after she does, speak to her again, and repeat "Are you okay?" to continually gain as many paragon points that you want, though at +2 per conversation, and requiring you to keep Samara over Morinth, it's the only infinite source yet of morality that I've found in ME2. Jaline 19:39, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Morinth's genetic disorder
As far as I understood this disorder, it only affects pure asari, so if Samara and Shepard were to conceive a child, it wouldn't be prone to it.
 * I need to listen to that conversation again, from what I remember; Samara basically says she isn't exactly sure what causes the disorder and that it probably ties into bias against purebloods. Or something similar, it's not like she's a geneticist or anything. Vegnas 23:19, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Samara Romance
Apparently you can gain a romance type result (although I'm not totally sure what the process is to get it, I believe after you defeat the Collectors) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLtttZp6Dro FeeZ 04:40, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Samara's Age
The official site states (just as this article does) that she is 600 years old. But in one of the dialogues she says she is "around 1000".

Well - i do believe the game more than the official site, so her age here should be changed

Crap Joke
I'm tempted to add that the Lada Samara was "just a car", but I feel it's not a very encyclopaedic contribution. :P --vom 11:05, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad i'm not the only one who saw the humor is the word "Justicar". One of the first things i thought when i heard was, if the Justice League had their own vehicle then that's what it'd be called(ya know like Fantastic 4, Fantastacar?). Kinda enforces the Samara/Superman comparisons but that's a different discussion.


 * Ah, Lada. Another fine product of communism. Looking at those cars, one wonders why they lost the Cold War. I mean, any country that can turn out fine, state-manufactured vehicles like that must be bound for success, right? :P SpartHawg948 13:26, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to think of something positive to say about Ladas... and failing miserably. Then again, I think the same about Buick and British Leyland (although some may make the case for the presence of communism there too). But this is all detracting from my wonderful "just a car" joke! Sigh, I'll get me coat. --vom 14:10, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I will admit, it was pretty funny. You are correct that it's not the most encyclopedic content (I'm pretty sure someone would cry 'shenanigans' pretty quickly'), but I did get a good chuckle out of it. :) SpartHawg948 14:12, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Samara and the Code
I've not actually played ME2 yet, so I can't rely on in-game facts to back me up, but I have noticed something that seems odd about this article. The Trivia section states that, should Shepard express a romantic interest in Samara, she will turn him/her down, but not because of the justicar Code, as the Code doesn't forbid relationships.

"This rejection is not due to the Code, which does not forbid such things, but by her own choice."

Yet the article about the Code states that justicars can't have relationships or children. Isn't there an inconsistency there?

(Nilfalasiel 10:27, March 10, 2010 (UTC))

Well, there's nothing in the Codex entry on Justicars about them not being able to have kids or relationships, and I don't recall hearing it in game. I'll leave something on the Justicar talk page about it and if there are no bites, I'll remove it. Maybe someone just got 'Justicar' and 'Jedi' confused when they were editing! :P SpartHawg948 10:39, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

While talking with Samara, I think she says something to the effect of she only became a Justicar when Morinth left seclusion and went on her killing spree. I'm assuming prior to that moment, she was not a Justicar. Given that Morinth is the eldest of 3 daughters (the other 2 are still in seclusion), Samara obviously had an extended period of relationship with another Asari (all her daughters are referred to as "purebloods" and Samara speculates the bias against purebloods among the Asari is because these children have an increased chance of becoming an Ardat-Yakshi, because all 3 of her daughters are Ardat-Yakshi). Tilarta 02:36, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

If Paragon

If Paragon Shepherd tries to romance Samara, she says: ""I serve a code stronger and deeper than any feelings. If we survive this mission, my oath to you ends. I will be bound by the Code again. That makes a relationship impossible." The rejection is due to the code, at least partly, although who knows if the Code explicitly says "thou shall not sleep with aliens"? Sleepswithaliens 16:48, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Face Model
Here is a link to the face model for Samara, for those interested. http://www.modelmayhem.com/1049977

AGE
600 years, where did that come from, i could swear that she was pushing a thousand, dont asari only become matriarchs whne they turn a thousand. Where did this age come from, explain please. ralok 16:38, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * According to the bioloby section of the asari article, the Madien states hits around 350 and considering Samara first had to have childrne, we don't know how long that took, even though Morinth ran when she was only 40, that would still put Samara's age well over 600. 350+400=750 last time I checked. Also I can't remember when but she even says that she is nearly one thousand years. The contunality error is after Samara: The Ardat-Yakshi mission where she says that she has another 1000 years to live with what she did. Lancer1289 16:45, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure she says she's nearly 1000 when you question her about romance. I'm paraphrasing heavily probably, but the quote is something like "I am nearly a thousand years old. I know myself and my motivations... but your curiosity is quite welcome." Of course, "nearly one thousand" is entirely subjective, so it really doesn't narrow her age down at all. Matt 2108 16:51, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * And by the way, she tells Shepard she has "hundreds" of years left to live with what she did, not another thousand. Matt 2108 16:53, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

How long is the maximum lifespan of an asari anyways? i dont think its ever specifically stated, dangit this is a problem in every science fiction universe figuring out how long people are supposed to live, i have had this conversation on like three other wikis i think ralok 16:54, April 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Matt 2108 for correcting me. As to how long, I'd say probably well over 1000 yeasr because that is an average and asari can probably live for maybe another 100 - 250 years after that. That is my guess however. Lancer1289 16:57, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

OH epic win official website says ESTIMATED, does anyone care to bring in the definition of the word estimated ralok 17:01, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Let's not but a guess is not good information when there is in game information that provides a lot of evidence to the contrary. Lancer1289 17:02, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Bear in mind though that the ages from the website are (in the words of Christina Norman) "relative to human years today" and are in several cases demonstrably false. After all, the official website also says Grunt is 22 years old when he's not even 1, and calls Mordin 50 when he is actually about 30. SpartHawg948 18:01, April 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * But wouldnt that mean she is a 600 year old human? she has has more skin than most people 600 years old, she looks to be about forty, that is why the word estimate has saved the day, because estimations are allowed to be wrong. ralok 18:06, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

I see your point there, and the quote is a little unhelpful in that respect, but the main point I was driving at was that the ages on the Official Site are not legit, as confirmed by a developer. SpartHawg948 18:11, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think Asari are effectively immortal: Aria, for example, is supposed significantly older than 1000 years (see Mass Effect: Retribution). Maybe in the Mass Effect universe nobody really knows if there's a maximum lifespan for Asari simply because hardly any Asari ever survive long enough to find out. Because the chances are SOMETHING will kill them at SOME POINT. I mean, I was only cruising the Galaxy for about 30 hours in total and I must have died at least 10 times. Plus I ran into... let me think... four or five Thresher Maws? In just over a day. Dangerous.

Samara is already a Matriarch, so she has to be over 700 years old, see Asari Biology. Additionally the age difference between Samara and her daughter Morinth is 600 years. See Ardat-Yakshi. So I guess Samara is around 900-1000 years old. Bubi7 11:47, July 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Talk to her when the mission is over about being a justicar. ask her about her opinion on justicars. Then investigate the next section. "Romance and the Code." ---> "Completely"


 * Quote-Unquote: "I am nearly one-thousand years old. I know myelf and my desires./But your curiosity is quite welcome"


 * she's in the 900-1000 area, and she's a matriarch, not a maiden. I have no source for the following, but I am positive I remember correctly: She has been a justicar for 400 years more or less. She states during investigation into her loyalty mission that she has been chasing her daughter for 400 years more or less and that Morinth is the reason for becoming a justicar, suggesting that around the time morinth was 40 and ran away was about when she started with Morinth being the reason for starting. how old she was when she had Morinth + 40 + 400ish = actual age, to be around 900-1000. You can counter-calulate how old she was with this information, though I doubt it holds much of any importance to any of you...

Samara's mate
We don't know if Samara's mate was an asari or an alien. She never states either way. All we know is that three of her daughters are Ardat-Yakshi.
 * The "Ardat Yakshi" condition is exclusive to asari-only pairings, so her mate was an asari. -Maskeus 13:17, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is true. IIRC, she mentions that she thinks the possibility of having an Ardat-Yakshi is one of the reasons that asari-asari pairings are so stigmatized. SpartHawg948 19:08, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Samara and the Code Part 2
OK this have been going on long enough. The Justicar Code DOES NOT forbid romance. Samara actually says that it doesn't as this video demonstrates. Head to 2:30 and Samara says, flat out I might add, that the code doesn't forbid romantic involvement. I do not know why this keeps getting changed to something that isn't canon. What is canon and correct is that Samara rejects Shepard for personal reasons, not because the Code forbids it.

On a side note, what is up with this talk page? Lancer1289 21:11, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Questionable source for Samara in ME3?
The source for Samara's apparent return in ME3 is questionable. Quoting from website:

''Mass Effect characters Mordin and Samara have been confirmed for Mass Effect 3. The reveal came during a presentation of the new game at Microsoft's E3 conference this evening. BioWare used the demo to showcase Kinect support in the upcoming action RPG.''

Yet, when I repeatedly watch the ME3 Kinect demo presention during Microsoft's E3 conference and found no mention of Samara at all. Perhaps the website author has confused Samara with Liara? Or am I missing some video demo? — Teugene (Talk) 19:59, June 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * You've got a point. So my bad, I didn't vet the source carefully enough. I'll remove this info. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:44, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Asari space
"Justicars rarely leave asari space, but Samara's pursuit of justice has brought her to Illium." - Isn't Illium in asari space? Its article makes it seem like it is. --Tobiasvl 09:10, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. Quoting straight from the in-game description for Illium: "Officially, Illium is not an asari world; it is colonized and operated by asari corporate interests." This informatio is also found in the Illium article.SpartHawg948 09:12, July 15, 2011 (UTC)