User talk:Ygrain

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Blog Update
Hey, just wanted to let you know I'm writing my blog right now, since you may not have seen my reply to your comment. I will probably publish it on the wiki sometime today, unless it takes too long. If so, It'll probably be up sometime around noon tomorrow. If you want, I can drop a message here once it's finished.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 19:45, July 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know, the alerts for new posts always stop coming after some time :-( And do notify my when you post it, if I can trouble you with this, though I will probably read it only tomorrow, it's getting late around here. --Ygrain 19:52, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

No trouble at all! Expect a message here in the near future with a link. Thanks for all your support!

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 19:55, July 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome :-) --Ygrain 20:00, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

So...it's taking a bit longer than I expected. I'm trying to make it coherent and organised, but at the same time, I can't make it too lengthy or it will end up reading like a fan-fiction or story. Not that there's anything wrong with that mind you, but it's not what I'm going for with this blog. I'll work my hardest to get it out soon. Then mind melding and blue babies! lol

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 20:00, July 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Never mind, take your time - I guess we all know what happens when things are rushed ;-) - And that fanfic part sounds enticing, as well - you may have noticed by now that I am into that. Maybe that's where we get to the blue babies? :D --Ygrain 20:12, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Haha true! :D I'm thinking of just highlighting the more important choices presented in the game, how I reacted to them, and how it changed my character. At the moment however...I'm switching between lengthy YouTube videos about Dragon Age...and also playing Dragon Age. My blog is still up there though...it just might take longer than was expected :D

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 04:54, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Blog Update, Part II
Hey, it's me again. I'm still working on the blog, and I'm in the homestretch now. I don't know how good it will be, it's mostly just a recapping of the most important decisions. If the blog itself gets to be too boring, I'd suggest just skipping to the different polls.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 17:09, July 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Nice of you letting me know :-) Are you including the reasons for your choices, role-playing-wise? --Ygrain 17:46, July 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * More or less. Generally, when you read "he" or "Spartacus" (my Shepard's first name) that also applies to me, because my thoughts are the same as the characters. For example, when I say he feels a pang of guilt for the loss of a friend, I'm really saying that it made me feel guilty. I've been a bit busy, and I know I've said it before, but for realzies this time. I'll publish it sometime today or tomorrow.


 * --The Milkman | I always deliver. 17:53, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry it's been taking so long, but it's almost done now. I'm on the "Earth" section now, so it'll be published after I make some finishing touches.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 15:21, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

For Shame.
So I see you started a favorite quote section, just like me, and that one of the first quotes is Hackett on the events of Arrival, again just like me. A coincidence ? I think not lol--Legionwrex 09:45, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, I played the Arrival the day before yesterday, so it was fresh on my mind. I didn't even know you had a quotes section - not that it would change a thing if I did ;-) --Ygrain 12:38, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Guess What?
Welp... it's finally done. Sorry for the wait, I've been awfully busy. Hopefully my next blog won't take so long.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Milkman/Share_Your_Shepard%27s_Story

It's fairly long winded and a bit rushed, but there are polls if the actual text is too boring.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 03:59, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

New Blog
Hey don't mean to bother you, but I didn't know if you wanted an update. My new blog is up, which you can read here if you are interested. Cheers!

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 04:42, July 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, it's not a bother in the least! Thanks! --Ygrain (talk) 05:02, July 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Good then! I just didn't know if you still wanted continual updates on my blogs. I have some more ideas in the pipeline, as well as a couple for Dragon Age II, but I'm still not sure yet.


 * --The Milkman | I always deliver. 05:28, July 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sure, if it's not too inconvenient for you. I enjoy reading and commenting your blogs. --Ygrain (talk) 06:01, July 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'm about to start working on my next blog. It's a sort of party member wishlist for Dragon Age III. Shall I leave a message on your talk page over on Dragon Age Wiki?


 * --The Milkman | I always deliver. 15:51, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, do - I like to stick around the DA wiki --Ygrain (talk) 16:27, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Blog Ideas?
Hey, I was wondering, since you like my blogs, is there anything in particular you wanted me to write about?

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 06:03, July 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, just returned from holidays. - I have no particular ideas right now, but generally, any analysis of plot/character development will be interesting for me. - And, yeah, end bashing :P --Ygrain (talk) 17:44, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Bloggage
Just read your message. I'll be taking a look and scrutinising it mercilessly :D

By the way, my next blog will be on Skyrim. I'm a little more than halfway done.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 16:07, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

james dialogue
i'll just continue this here since the topic doesn't seem to be article upkeep anymore.

on to the point, i'm assuming normandy/citadel dialogue since in-mission lines get stated no matter what. there are very few opportunities for vega to really socialize with you: one is the sparring, the next is immediately after that when you start asking him personal stuff and he explains why he calls you loco/lola, the other is in purgatory, then the n7 talk in your quarters, then the tattoo acquisition on the docks. IIRC you have to receive a mail from him at some point in the game in order to trigger the talk in your quarters and you have to read it. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 09:51, August 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll check the saves but I'm almost sure I didn't receive the email. - THe guy really doesn't have many lines, hmm...
 * Anyway, the Purgatory talk is definitely unavailable after the Cerberus attack, which might be worth mentioning in the article. --Ygrain (talk) 10:04, August 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've had a look but the mail is definitely not there. If you still have the saves from those speedy playthroughs you mentioned, could you take a look if you have the mail there? --Ygrain (talk) 18:28, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * i'll get back to you after a few hours of sleep. doubt i'll find anything since i barely even interacted with my squadmates there (worst case says i'll do ANOTHER speedrun just to confirm this). T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 18:47, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good night :-)--Ygrain (talk) 18:55, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * preliminary observations:


 * in one save i talked to vega for the first time right before assaulting earth. he's doing the pull-ups, is understandably grumpy ("took a wrong turn at the elevator shepard?"), the sparring session in his words: "less talk, more hitting", and never even offers up the investigate options for his personal life. never even calls you loco/lola. just the backlog of his comments for the previous missions done. obviously can't do anything further at this point.
 * in the process of checking the speedrun save before priority earth i noticed i didn't receive EVEN ONE email from other squadmates for their mandatory citadel socialization calls. bottleshooting, liara offering to be your mate/friend, etc.
 * in another save (after sur'kesh) the first time i talked to him is on purgatory (bought the drinks) then on the normandy (looks like the first time with him always begins with the pull-ups). slightly different dialogue but also less hostile than above (you slumming down here with the grunts? didn't think you'd care to find me). he even throws in a comment about the female krogan being uglier than males before the investigate options come up. speedrun pending to see if shep gets the mail - good guess says s/he won't. read on.
 * in yet another save (right after tuchanka) the pull-ups exchange happens as a mix of the previous two above: he asks what the h- you're doing with the grunts, "less talk, more hitting", the flirting is gone (if femshep) and no more calling you loco/lola. his initial comment will be on the turian/krogan alliance instead of the female krogan. obviously purgatory talk is now impossible.
 * checked saves from all other "proper" playthroughs and the mail is always received sometime after the cerberus coup and before you even get tali. so this means criterion fulfillment of purgatory talk and the sparring AND/OR the aftersparring talk. the timing appears to be critical too based on the initial impression james has on you: if you talked to him asap or delayed talking to him.
 * this probably goes without saying but the chances of james sending you mail may also be determined if you allowed him to become familiar with you or not (allowing the nicknames and/or aftersparring talk and/or probably the purgatory talk, which is what we're set to determine in the first place).
 * the mail is titled "Got a minute?" in case you were wondering.

from what i found above and in tandem with the point about forgetting to go to purgatory i think the issue is not just restricted to james. don't interact with any of them or interact with them too late and you might as well forget about fully gaining their trust further along the game. since james' bit is the N7 talk (in comparison to garrus' bottleshooting etc) i think the reasonable assessment is that james doesn't fully trust you enough if you fail some of the conditions for his story progression. of note, james might've had few lines we'll ever hear but bioware sure did anticipate MANY possible scenarios.
 * T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 07:13, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

I'll check the effect of not allowing nicknames - I've done the sparring and the dialogue about the Collectors, but no way I'm having my FemShep called Lola! I've already done the Purgatory talk, as well, and I will be shortly into the Cerberus sweeping on the Citadel, so I'll see if I get the email. Either way, I believe the article could use some refinement. --Ygrain (talk) 07:49, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * 2 internets says that not allowing the nicknames may stay so long as you get james' perspective on grunts (beer!) and you get to know him fast enough (at least before tuchanka) - he'll call you shepard during the n7 talk instead of loco/lola. out of curiosity did you take the interrupts while sparring? did you pull rank on him? that -may- also have had an effect. never played a game without taking those and i was always easy on the guy (just found out you'll spar with him regardless of whether you're nice or mean to him. also, i'm rewording a bit above)
 * looks like i delved into too much explanation for one simple thing: does forgetting to go to purgatory affect the appearance of the email. the shortest answer appears to be "yes" and the short answer appears to be "yes but with potentially extenuating circumstances". T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 09:27, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Those wonderful punching interrupts? :D - Sure I did, seeing my slender Shep punch a guy twice her size and five times her weight was precious :DD And, yeah, she's Commander - and besides, I don't like Vega, so I take every chance to put him down. I really fail to see his appeal. - But those dialogue variations are interesting, Bioware did put some thought into this.--Ygrain (talk) 10:02, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * we'll be getting an anime of him soon if you care to watch that kind of stuff. your opinion of the guy may change for the better if the execution is good or degrade further if they managed to screw it up (can't really say they'll screw up in the visuals at least - production IG is almost synonymous to quality). as for myself i just find it amusing to ALWAYS have james go fix some tower/computer/turret/whathaveyou. especially if there's tali or EDI in the squad. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 14:59, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Question.
Not to sound pushy, but are you planning on voting on the Forum:Flamewar Bans Policy 2.0, because you said you support the idea, and I would feel a lot better about my chances with a support vote, also, if you have any problems with the policy, please bring them to my attention.--Legionwrex (talk) 22:34, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

Language Policy
Hello Ygrain I just wanted to inform you I clarified the language policy and added a note to make it more clear. THankyou for reading this I would greatly appreciate your support.--GethHaveFeelings2 (talk) 16:44, August 27, 2012 (UTC).

Chat Message.
Apparently, you have to be on for me to view the message, so either message me when you're on again, or you could just leave the message on my user page if it's not too private.--Legionwrex (talk) 22:41, September 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll be on the chat the next hour or so, are you around? --Ygrain (talk) 04:32, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am.--Legionwrex (talk) 05:20, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

No Need to Fear, Milkman is Here!
Hey, I wrote me up a new blog, if you didn't see my comment on yours already. Thought you might want to add a couple cents.

Click here to read it. Click here if you don't care.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 03:26, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and hey, I have been writing a lot more blogs on Elder Scrolls wiki as of late. I've written a ton there, and will be continuing to do so. I got nominated for the news team, so I'll also be writing some news blogs there as well. I hope to write an Mass Effect blog here there, though. --The Milkman | I always deliver. 09:10, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Fed up with being a teacher? Impossible! :P

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 14:32, September 16, 2012 (UTC)