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Best regards, Elseweyr (talk) 21:47, February 4, 2018 (UTC)

use the game-given armor names
heleus icon, angaran guerilla, etc. no need to append armor or set unless it's actually part of the name.

come to think of it there are a few adjustments that have to be made in original trilogy armors that i'll (someday) get around to. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 03:02, February 16, 2018 (UTC)


 * You are correct Temp. I went back to look and that menu lists as "Armor". I was thinking of it as a set. I agree in-game takes precedence. -- GS877 (talk) 03:37, February 16, 2018 (UTC)

don't bother with broken links in user spaces and user comments
fixing them in articles is fine and encouraged, but as per policy the only people allowed to clear redlinks in userpages and comments are sysops and above. people aren't allowed to modify other people's input anyway unless it concerns the articles themselves (or permission was explicitly given), so hands tied. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 01:58, February 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * Understood. I was finding very few that I could fix anyways. Most were broken because pages were gone. -- GS877 (talk) 02:47, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

Site 2: Update
Thanks for helping out with the Site 2 page. AnuChemicalCo (talk) 21:48, February 22, 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem. I happened to look at site 1 yesterday and saw you had created site 2 yesterday in the recent pages. I'm was going through the mission pages anyways making sure that they have applicable links, categories, standard format, etc. I figured I would go back and make sure that all places that use site 2 had the link. -- GS877 (talk) 22:09, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

Fast and Furious
I just uploaded pictures for the Nomad paint jobs. Just for info, you can access a lot of resources in others wiki, especially the Russian one! --DeldiRe (talk) 17:34, March 1, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you DeldiRe! I have found wonderful information on other wiki's but as I only speak English, I have to spend a lot of time with Google Translate trying to figure out the words to search for. The French version had wonderful code for changing the color of Rarity text in articles. I had to create the Rarity tag but I think it's a nice little touch to add to the MEA pages that use it., , , , . I had to do some learning about coding before I could incorporate it, but I was able to and now they color code correctly. :)
 * I was going to start looking into some paint job photos for the Nomad but I went off on the augmentations track instead. I figured that players were coming to the wiki looking for that info more than they were looking for the color of the Nomad. :) I was going to get to it eventually but I really appreciate you taking the time to fill out that portion of the article. It's the little things that make the wiki great and show people that come here that we care about those things. Thanks again for all of your help. :) -- GS877 (talk) 18:53, March 1, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for you fixes on Strike Teams article :) I hope that it is complete and easy to understand! I will add the pictures during the week. --DeldiRe (talk) 17:30, March 6, 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Stuffs.
Hello, I've replied to your request pertaining to the infobox over at my talk page. Also, the infobox for Andromeda weapons is an unfinished work, which I had intend to complete one day... but never gotten to that unfortunately.

Speaking on infoboxes, just letting you know of naming scheme for infoboxes. Infobox should be in lowercase (unless it's an acronym/initial as in the case of "MP" - multiplayer) and in the singular noun. Also, the "(Andromeda)" disambiguation affix isn't required unless there are multiple infobox in the same name. So in the case of infoboxes that you'd created, "Infobox augmentation" and "Infobox resource" will suffice. I'll go ahead and rename those templates, but you may need to correct the naming in the articles which use those templates.

For article disambiguation, they should also be in lowercase unless it's a special noun. Eg. "Grenade Launcher (augmentation)" or "Shield Generator (augmentation)". I guess that's all off the top of my head. If you have any questions, you can drop me a message or other active admins here (I hope Temp78 is still active!) 17:36, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention, for Navboxes, please do use plural in the naming, since they are a collection of multiple links of a category! :)  17:57, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for fixing the naming Teugene. I certainly didn't want to create a bunch of work for you I would have gladly fixed all of the broken links when you fixed the naming schemes.
 * I tried to follow what I saw with previous naming for infoboxes and navboxes. If I was unsure, I went with a little bit extra information so that a user knew what they were looking at. I haven't had to create many infoboxes or navboxes. I'm learning so much as I'm going along. :)
 * I certainly appreciate your help with fixing my small mistakes. I realize that a tiny mistake in naming can ripple all over the place if it is used on many pages. Getting the naming right when you first create something is very important or you get to do a WHOLE LOT of fixing. :) I try very hard to get things right at the start even if it takes extra time because it saves time later.
 * I will go back and make sure that all of the navboxes and infoboxes are correctly named inside of articles. That way if someone copies them they are pointing to the correct location and not a redirect. Thanks again for all of your help. :) -- GS877 (talk) 18:40, March 1, 2018 (UTC)

Story POV
Hey GS877, I'm still amazed by all the good job you do for the wiki! I'm trying too to do the best I can for the moment!

Just a small remark, you should to write your articles without mentioning "the player" and try to use a story point of view :) --DeldiRe (talk) 23:10, March 5, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey DeldiRe, thank you for you kind words and noticing the work. :) I struggle at times to get all of the information out of my brain and onto the page. 20 words when 2 will work.


 * So I try to write the maelstrom down and then pare it back down. I certainly try to pull out "I" and "you" and replace them with "the player" or "Ryder/Shepard" etc as much as possible. I try to not even use those if I don't have to.


 * Like you said, the story style of POV that removes references to any type of person is best. Sometimes I find that trying it into a story style of POV makes the wording totally unreadable. :)


 * If you find that I have written pages that you think should be gone over for POV style, let me know and I'll go back over them to remove and change to POV style (as much as possible). I will not be offended if you make changes to switch things. If I can get 95% of the way there, then someone coming to the wikia for information will have the info while I spend time afterwards fixing that 5% that needs additional work. -- GS877 (talk) 23:28, March 5, 2018 (UTC)

Skill Terminology
Hey GS! A quick note about skill terminology in ME:A: it's a bit inconsistent, but having combed through the official guide and the game UIs, it seems that "skill" is the overarching term, with a distinction between "powers" and "passives" (or "passive skills"). The guide sometimes mentions "talents", but the instances I could find were always interchangeable with "skill". So in ME1 we have "Talents", in ME2 and 3 we have "(active/passive) Powers", but in ME:A we have skills that are either powers or passives.

Eventually the skill pages should be adjusted so that the ranks section is "Skill Ranks" instead of "Power Ranks". There isn't even a Manual of Style section for that yet (like there is for Power articles), however, so for now I thought I'd just let you know before further edits are made. —Elseweyr talk &bull; stalk March 10, 2018, 22:05:57 (UTC)
 * Hey Elseweyr, I changed all skill pages per your request. All skill pages currently use a standardized format. I know that they are all standardized because I standardized them all. :) I have about 15 more skill pages to create and will use the same format with "Skill Ranks".
 * All skill pages list whether Ryder or MP use the skills. (I'm working on the squadmates after this. They have customized versions of powers that will require a separate table in existing skill pages. I wanted to wait to complete them until MP pages are done in case they use MP powers).
 * I'm currently fixing the MP template to says skills not powers. Fixed -- GS877 (talk) 22:48, March 10, 2018 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I should have been more clear: I actually meant that the MP stats table was fine the way it was, with "Powers" and "Passives", as this best reflects the representation in the game itself. (If you look at a character's skills, it lists each skill as Biotic/Combat/Tech Power or Passive, and the game should always be the primary source for how we label things on the wiki.) As such, there was no need to change the template or its parameter names further. Apologies for the extra hassle; I can restore the changes myself. —Elseweyr talk &bull; stalk March 11, 2018, 11:22:03 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the Elseweyr. I totally agree that in-game does take precedent. As the franchise has gone on, they keep adding terms to things and borrowing from prior games. Instead of just picking ONE term, lets mix them all up. "I'll take an Active Skill Power Bonus Passive Type Tree Style ..." Just say skill. I can't believe someone in that meeting didn't raise their hand and say "Can WE JUST PICK ONEEEEE????!!!!" I put a hidden note in the template so that someone else doesn't change the terms. I would have undone all of the fixes for you. You didn't have to do that. Thank you though for fixing it. :) -- GS877 (talk) 17:19, March 11, 2018 (UTC)

Skills Availability
Hey GS877-- I noticed you've added "and Mass Effect: Andromeda Multiplayer" to the top paragraph of some skill pages. I would argue that this is unnecessary, since MEAMP is not a different game from Mass Effect: Andromeda. The introduction is meant to concisely define the skill and mention in which game(s) it appears; SP/MP is better detailed in the Availability section. Cheers —Elseweyr talk &bull; stalk March 12, 2018, 17:38:54 (UTC)


 * Hey Elseweyr, I debated that for awhile when I was creating MP skills. I ended up following what was done with the ME3 power pages and put the SP and the MP link the title. I was unsure on it at the time. I agree that the skill header is a good place to distinguish that it applies to SP / MP but that only applies to skills that have a squadmate / different version. There is an availability section at the bottom that distinguishes SP/MP so doubling up at the top is redundant.
 * I'll fix all of the pages using the following as a guideline:
 * All skills will have MEA link as minimum
 * All skills with different versions will have appropriate headers. SP, MP, SP / MP, Squadmate Name. Skills with no difference will be a plain "Skill Ranks" regardless of SPP / MP.
 * Skills that are MEAMP only with no squadmates, I will change those to MEAMP link and remove MEA link. (Small number). That way it is consistent across all of the pages. That way if someone is looking at the page it is readily apparent in the top paragraph that this is for MEAMP only. The skills that have double versions stay the same because they are MEA related.


 * I'm trying to be consistent across all of the skill pages so that a visitor will have the most amount of information in an elegantly packed form that follows in-game text and is presented in a visually appealing useful manner. :) -- GS877 (talk) 17:51, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

To Do List
soooooo much work to do to complete this wiki!--DeldiRe (talk) 23:08, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * I know, I know. :) Every page I keep looking to update has another character that I need to create a link and page for. Some of these pages have multiple characters. Then afterwards I have to go out and make sure I put links for the character in all of the places it shows up (which just leads to more redlinks I didn't know about). NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! One link at time. One at a time... :) --GS877 (talk) 23:28, March 14, 2018 (UTC)

For the rewards, I would suggest to put '*' instead of the 'br' tag. --DeldiRe (talk) 20:39, March 15, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey DeldiRe, I just saw your message. I can do that going forward. I was going to go back and fix the tasks but it looks like you completed a portion of them already. Thank you. :) -- GS877 (talk) 20:45, March 15, 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm also removing all the 'thumb' as we never used them in original trilogy pages.--DeldiRe (talk) 20:49, March 15, 2018 (UTC)


 * Ok. I was following what someone had put in the tasks pics when I added them awhile back to the missing pages. Any that I find, I will try to switch. Is there a reason why thumb isn't used but right is? Is it technical reason other than preference? Just curios. -- GS877 (talk) 20:53, March 15, 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm here since a long time but not long enough to know why ;)--DeldiRe (talk) 20:58, March 15, 2018 (UTC)

Hey GS, I found a place where all weapons pics are available. . I'd like to add all of them but they are not in line with the melee weapons pics you just added. Do you have others weapons in the same style or do you prefer a full 're-roll' with pics I found?--DeldiRe (talk) 09:42, March 25, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey DeldiRe, I've seen all of those images but they have "issues". I didn't use any those weapon pics because they weren't of a good standard that this wikia uses. They aren't cropped the best in places (an autoselect tool was used and good parts of images were cut away, parts that should have been cut away aren't, there are pixels and spots left in the images).


 * Also, the image size is stuck (you can't get a big full size image for good cropping). The bigger the starting image, the easier it is to crop and not look grain-y/choppy when it is put in the infobox (220px is the default if I remember correctly).


 * The color is off on some of the images as well. Too light, too dark, contrast too low, too high. You can see the images in a good youtube weapon review and see that color isn't what it supposed to be on some of the weapons.


 * I was looking at pistols last night for the very same thing. :) When I went through all of the weapon pages, if an existing weapon pic was there, I looked at it to see if it was of good quality (all of the items I said above). If not, I went back and fixed the image. The trouble is that autoselect tools for cropping in GIMP 2.0 pick up based on color. So dark parts of the weapon get selected as well. Backing off the autoselect leaves a black ring around the image that you have to free select around. So instead, I just start with a free-select crop. It takes about an hour of 1,000 clicks around the perimeter of the weapon zoomed in an 800% to do individual pixels.


 * Because it takes so long to do, I put it on the back burner because there were augmentations, mods, and other big picture pages to complete instead of me spending hours cropping to get a good weapon pic. I'm all for getting the images and I want to put great weapon pics up, I just know that there are other things I should be fixing instead right now.


 * I could probably do an image here or there but it can be really boring and not feel like I got a lot of work done. I have to remind myself to think like a visitor to the page who wants to find information on MEA. A pic is nice, but they really want to know about Mission A, or the stats on Weapon B. The details of something. As I find great pics during my updates, I try to add them. Sometimes it only takes about 2 minutes. Sometimes it takes hours.


 * BTW, the Melee Weapons are particularly hard to do images on as most have a "glow" around them. Cropping them removes a good part of the image and then those images are usually long and thin. You have to add a black box around them to make the image wider or the infobox stretches the image until it fills the box. (You get the Asari Sword about 10 inches long as it tries to make the image 220px wide when it is only 50px wide to start with). The melee weapons are probably going to be the hardest ones to do.


 * After I finish the mission pages, and work on a few other items, I'll go back and start adding cropped images back in for weapons. If you find a great source of large clear weapon pics (with the original background still in place), let me know because those are the hardest to find. Usually someone has done a fast, poor quality crop or the image is a bad screen grab. -- GS877 (talk) 16:37, March 25, 2018 (UTC)

Characters
Just so you know, you don't need to create a single page for every characters. The historical guideline for the wiki is to create a redirect to the mission where the character is involved if if is a minor character. However, I have always be in favor of creating more pages to be complete BUT we need to have some flesh in every articles :) That's what I'm trying to do when I edit the pages you create. --DeldiRe (talk) 08:44, March 15, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for helping with those pages DeldiRe! I have trouble writing in the story POV style. Just doesn't flow out of my brain well. I can edit and review what someone else has done, but converting from technical to story is tough.


 * I agree with you that creating pages for very minor characters isn't needed. "Yeda" is an example. Angara found during a mission one time that doesn't affect any other missions and doesn't get Ryder anything.


 * While it looks like I created a bunch of pages all at once last night, I had actually been writing them down as I was editing pages over the course of 5 hours. I was looking to see where else they were located, if they interacted with other people/missions/etc. to determine if they should get a page. Once I ran out of new "links" to find on the pages I had reviewed (I thought they would never stop!), I went back and started the process of creating pages and trying to fill them out.


 * I appreciate very much when you have fixed the pages I have created to make them more story style. :) I certainly don't want to create extra work for you.


 * I'll try to not store up so many pages again and create them as I find them (if they are needed like you spoke about). I bet you saw that list this morning and went "Awwwww, @#%$. Look at what he did last night..."


 * Creating and fixing almost becomes an obsession like playing the games. Just one more page, just one more edit... :)-- GS877 (talk) 17:02, March 15, 2018 (UTC)

link changing
redirects exist for a reason. if not actively breaking sentence flow don't bother "fixing" as those distract from content changes that actually matter. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 00:57, March 30, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey Temp, I happened across a few links that were redirecting while searching for "combo" earlier today. I'm trying to put links for the combo page into the correct places for MEA. I agree with you that redirects are good and have a purpose.


 * What I was finding was inconsistent redirecting. Sometimes on the page there would be multiple links to the same page, one would be M-27 Scimitar, the next would be Scimitar, then a third would be back to the full name. (It was usually the big guides that had multiple links to the same page.)


 * I hate when it's half one-way and half the other. So I just started looking at each weapon when I found a problem and fixed them as I was going.


 * I agree with you on sentence flow. The Striker Automatic rifle is a great weapon. Using the Striker automatic rifle is hard. I like how the color of the striker automatic rifle looks in the moonlight... (Using the full name can get redundant.) Using [ [Striker Automatic Rifle|Striker] ] so that only part of the word shows up as the link is a good way to do the link when you want good flow.


 * I do know that you should only put the link on the page once. There isn't a need to keep linking over and over and over every time a spot to link shows up. Sometimes in a table or far down a large page it makes sense so that you don't have to go back and find the single solitary link but that usually isn't the case.


 * A number of the fixes I did today pulled extra links and the flow I saw wasn't ruined by adding in the full name.


 * I know, if I'M REALLY BORED, you can find something for me to work on. And it will be something so non-fun that I will never ask for that again. :) -- GS877 (talk) 01:26, March 30, 2018 (UTC)

redirects, again
do not create them if you're only planning to use them on the only article that mentions them. defeats the purpose and completely pointless. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 01:31, April 2, 2018 (UTC)


 * Temp, the redirects are not listed only on the Kadara (or other planet pages like Eos or Voeld). I wasn't circularly referencing. I went through all of the Kadara/Eos missions and listed the location links on each mission page. (Each location has between 2 - 10 associated missions). When I was sure I had all of the links in place on the mission pages, I put links in for those pages on the planet page and created redirects. (I saved them up until I was ready and then created them all at once. This is why there were multiple creations today.)


 * This was done for important reasons. I had all missions with correct locations, with links in place, and I knew if there was anything that would stop me from creating location pages / redirects.


 * The pages are now set up with redirects so that if/when myself (or someone else) creates the location pages they aren't zero content pages just to be placeholders. (I know you frown upon zero content pages). I don't have to go back, search all missions, and link everything when I create the page. The framework is already in place. The links can stay as redirects or a detailed page can be created with location information and no changes are needed.


 * I didn't want to get bogged down and go off on a tangent creating locations pages when there are other things that require more attention right now. -- GS877 (talk) 06:47, April 2, 2018 (UTC)