Forum:Trailers page

Hi everydoby, The current state of my sandbox page should give you a good overview of what the final page should look like and what it should contain. I'm now waiting your support and advices to go further on this project. All help is also more than welcome. When this topic will be enough discutated and if we reach a consensus to the design of the page, I will put a "final" version to a vote. --DeldiRe 10:35, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

Vote is now open to implement a page with the current design when the page will be finished. Discussion are still open to see which order we want. Feel free to make comments and/or try to participate to the construction of the page. Thanks --DeldiRe 07:50, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

As pointed by theunknown85, we will also add a link to this article in the relevant article (for example, link to this page, chapter ME2 DLC, on the page for the DLC shadow broker). --DeldiRe 10:35, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) As proposer/developper--DeldiRe 07:50, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) Good work! Cattlesquat (talk) 19:25, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Lancer1289 (talk) 14:45, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
Looking good to me! Will the final versions link to the actual trailer videos somewhere, e.g. YouTube or something? (Right now under the "video" column clicking the picture links to... a picture). Also... is it okay to do minor cleanup in your sandbox? Cattlesquat (talk) 15:17, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Cattle, the link is on the title and not on the picture (I'd like to do it but I can't fin the right code to do so). And yes do all the cleanup you want and if you know some infos (such as the title of the music,...) go ahead :)--DeldiRe 16:03, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

i'm actually scratching my head at a loss at what to do and say here. probably the lateness of the hour. anyway, apart from some cleanup of your project i'm sure you won't mind:
 * manual of style actually allows official trailers to be uploaded in this wiki, though pending admin approval. your life may be made easier if you gathered them all in this place if this ever gets approved.
 * this may mean we'll have to delete the placeholder images you uploaded since videos generate their own thumbnails anyway.
 * this may also mean further adjustments to the table formatting as nobody wants to click on teeny tiny video screens. the point is moot until the vids are uploaded though. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 17:06, June 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * First, Thanks for your cleanups, both of you. For the upload of the video, it could a great addition to have them on the wiki but then we will loose the definition that are given in the youtube. Don't you think ? However the link can stay for that. I'd like to have more advises (especially for admin because MoS want to ;) ) to decide and finish the design phase and put it into a vote.--DeldiRe 18:41, June 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * the resolution won't degrade if linked directly from, say, bioware or EA's accounts on youtube. you don't have to download-reupload the whole thing, just paste the link and wikia's system will take care of the rest. the guy who got blocked recently for repeated violation of no video policy had the reckoning trailer ripped from IGN, it's in 720p. same as the uploaded source file on the other site. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 18:55, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I would also try to not spoil the current layout because we do not need a huge article for such content. The idea is to help people to find what they are looking for and to give them a change to enjoy every cinematic of the game which are "always" epic ;). The simple list with little picture seems a good way (IMHO).--DeldiRe 19:01, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

It seemed vaguely strange that the Mass Effect trailers were separated from the Mass Effect 2 trailers (I mean, with Paragon Lost in the middle). I guess if this is the chronological order of release that's a reason, but in general I'd lean toward having all the "big three" stuff at the top. Also, are there going to be Mass Effect 3 trailers in the article? Cattlesquat (talk) 18:47, June 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sure I will put ME3, ... But I won't do all the job until we have a good design and a positive vote to implement this page. For the order of the trailer, there is three ways to do it (with "others" always in the end I think") :


 * Chronological in ME Universe (such as now)
 * The big game first (as you propose)
 * Chronological (by release date of the game)

I'm not really sure what can be the best. I do like your proposal, we could make (ME trilogy/Trilogy Package/ME Mobile game/other media/Others)--DeldiRe 18:53, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

PS brb bacon. gee thanks for making me hungry. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk)


 * The code for linking the trailers with the image is this:


 * I think it would be better to have them on the wiki because they can be watched here, rather than opening a new window/tab. (I think that's how it works. It should open up like when you click on an image that doesn't have a link specified.) And these are official videos, which do fall under the video policy. And you don't have to bother with that extra  junk.


 * Try embedding one of the trailers so we can see how it looks on the Sandbox. Trandra (talk) 20:32, June 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not so bad that way. If we keed going that way, could you delete the image i had previously uploaded ? Thanks --DeldiRe 13:55, June 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Trandra, (or somebody else) could you delete the picture i had previously uploaded because the video will be implemented and the caption is automatic. thanks--DeldiRe 07:40, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Two things: 1) I think I'd rather see the trailers go on the related articles instead of being together on the same article. For example, the Miranda ME2 trailer should go on Miranda's article instead.  2) What about the Gamestop commercials for pre-order bonuses? For example, this trailer? TheUnknown285 (talk) 00:26, June 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * 1) I wanted to do both, the list as it is in my sandbox and then a link to this complete list from the related article (there are sometimes already present in trivia). 2) Mmmmmh I don't know ;) --DeldiRe 11:48, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'm giving my opinion and that is that this is just a waste of time. I cannot see what this will do for anything because it is nothing more or less than either a page of links or a page of videos which can be accessed on another site. This does nothing to enhance the wiki and I still have yet to see anything that justifies it. Lancer1289 (talk) 14:36, June 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * I will respectfully disagree - links to high quality official videos with content for the original Mass Effect games seems highly relevant to the wiki to me. Cattlesquat (talk) 14:47, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * We have a page for nothing but links? How is that good use of wiki space? I'd rather put links on the pages themselves if someone is going to be so adamant about it. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:01, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

It permit a quick access to all official video which are lost in a huuuuuuuge amount of fan video in Youtube. That's why it is useful information. And as you know, we proceed with links to be in line with the MoS that you seems to like so much. --DeldiRe 16:07, June 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * speaking of lost trailers, i believe ME3 had a shitload of trailers before its launch. never really found the time to watch any of it though (except major coats' one) T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 07:45, June 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yep, and most of them are really great --DeldiRe 07:53, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

This page will be nothing more or less than a waste of space and I cannot support a page that is nothing but a page of links. Lancer1289 (talk) 14:46, June 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I like your positive attitude and sweet words (as much as when you start an edit war with an anon). --DeldiRe 15:41, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow. Do you even think before you type? Your words are just beyond insulting. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:50, June 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh yes I do, I weight my words as good as I can in English. But it is fun that you ask such kind of questions when we read your classics answers. However, I'm not "beyond insulting" at all, if you think that "sweet" or "like" are insults it's your problem not mine. And if you feel insulted by the reference to the edit war, I would be glad to put a link to this episode when you broke MoS. Though this is not the point of this forum, so I will leave it to that --DeldiRe 16:08, June 17, 2013 (UTC)