User talk:Garhdo

Hi, welcome to Mass Effect Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Talk:Mass Effect 2 page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Tullis (Talk) 17:54, June 29, 2009

Character page suggestion
Just wanted to point out that the suggestion you left on the talk page for Characters would actually be pretty much taking it back to the way it was before the big cleanup and reorg that was done to the page 6 months ago. I commented extensively on it in my reply on Talk:Characters, but the gist of it is, the page is for MAJOR characters, not for plot characters. The vast majority of the names you suggested adding are trivial characters who you speak to once, hardly what I'd call major. And some of them, far from being plot-important, are anything but (IE Jenkins and Nihlus). We're trying to keep the page nice, neat, and not excessively long, as it is not meant to be a complete list. Thanks for the input, but as I stated in my response, I honestly don't see it happening. SpartHawg948 11:33, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Yep.
Having fun? :)

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 22:05, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Always feel free to quote anything you want for your new blog. Garhdo (talk) 22:20, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

I'm already up to ten pages.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 22:22, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

I give up. the man is a complete moron and is grasping at straws in a vacuum.Garhdo (talk) 23:34, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Notice how every other comment is about rape with this guy....

Yeah, I'll start working on that blog tomorrow maybe. --The Milkman | I always deliver. 23:37, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

I swear this moron is playing a different Mass Effect to the rest of us lol. Can't wait for your blog dude.Garhdo (talk) 23:51, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

It Wasn't You
It was quite literally everything else, and the other user's comment is quite literally what broke the camel's back so to speak.

However, the walkthroughs have always been a part of the site and I don't see that going away. I have gotten several comments, and heard over Xbox live that we are a good place to go for them as other places are not as reliable. Walkthroughs, like the articles for the novels (Mass Effect: Ascension), the games (Mass Effect 2), the comics (Mass Effect: Redemption), the class guides (Vanguard Guide (Mass Effect 3)), the player notes of weapon articles, and most of the multiplayer articles are intentionally written out of universe because they have to be.

A number of other wikis, very large ones, also have the practice of having both in-universe (NPCs, player character, places), and out-of-universe articles. One of the largest I can think off of hand is the Vault, and Nukapedia. They manage to do it quite successfully. I know there are others, but I wanted to give one very big example. Lancer1289 (talk) 03:46, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

That's fair enough, but this issue won't be resolved. I know the other user was being rude about it but the fact is that the comment, while a joke, is unnecessary. If you can find three other examples of such jokes I will happily retract my point but I believe it should be removed. I have asked SpartHawg to intervene simply so that the issue can be resolved.

I understand the walkthroughs should be written in a different style in order to meet their purpose, but that doesn't mean they should resort to jokes - they should still be as concise and informative as the rest of the wiki. Nevertheless an incident like this is causing contention and must be resolved asap.Garhdo (talk) 03:53, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Image on Talk:Turian
Would you please make the image on the Talk:Turian page smaller? It's currently quite unwieldy. (And since it is your comment, I am not allowed to change it.) Instead of using the whole image URL for images hosted on our wiki, you can use wiki-text like the following, so you can change the size. Trandra (talk) 07:53, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't realise the whole image posted as I was just trying to post the URL, same as I did for the turian image. Any way I can do that rather than just changing the size?Garhdo (talk) 08:14, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

It's ok I think I've sorted it.Garhdo (talk) 08:28, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Inflammatory comments...
Look, I get that it wasn't meant as an insult, but surely you can see how someone who has devoted a great deal of time and effort to this wiki might not appreciate being called "out of touch". Things like that can really tend to throw wrenches into discussions and derail the whole thing. Is there any chance you can avoid further inflammatory statements toward other editors in the future? I mean, a blind man could have seen that the "out of touch" remark was only going to cause drama. Please note, this is a request, nothing more, as your comments were in no way a violation of site policy, they were just (IMO) ill chosen. Thanks, SpartHawg948 (talk) 08:35, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

I understand and respect the contributions Lancer has made in the past, but you must be able to see that recently he is acting in a way where he is against the entire community, including other admins. All of his comments are curt and abrasive, verging on rude. As I said to him if he is having as many personal problems as he says he needs to step back as he is not helping this perceived divide between admins and community which is permeating this site recently. I said what I said as, at present, it is the best description of his behaviour and I believe admin involvement to curb his antagonist attitude is sorely needed. My comment was also meant to highlight to him exactly the way he is being perceived, and perhaps spur him to take some action to improve his attitude. Yes the comment was bound to cause trouble, but it is also the harsh truth. Still, I understand where you are coming from and I will respect your request, as I was perhaps a bit too harsh, but I follow with a request of my own - talk to Lancer. If he is having as many issues as he suggests then he should step away from the wikia until he can be more agreeable, as all he is doing at present is furthering the divide and causing more drama.Garhdo (talk) 08:45, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I will second that. Lancer is constantly curt, hostile, abrasive, and inflexible, not just recently but for quite a while.  Case in point would be this exchange where he snapped at someone for just making a suggestion about a page.  It is harming the community and is a major source of the antipathy that many of the users are feeling towards the Admins in general.    TheUnknown285 (talk) 09:00, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Garhdo, I've been talking to him. He's stated his desire to step back and take a less active role in discussions, policy, etc, at least for the time being. Which is exactly why comments like the one you made are so frustrating. They draw him back in and only serve to draw out the abrasiveness. It's a "one step forward, two steps back" scenario. And TheUnknown285, perhaps the community isn't blameless here. Just as "many of the users" are feeling "antipathy" toward the admins as a whole because of the actions of one, the actions of a small but vocal minority of editors, who are needlessly antagonizing admins and deliberately insulting them for no other reason than to antagonize certainly isn't helping admin-community relations either. I've taken the insults directed at me in stride, but not everyone else is so inclined. SpartHawg948 (talk) 09:15, February 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * That is no reason to take it out on others by snapping at people for making a suggestion (see the link I provided above) or leaving curt edit summaries like "Fail," or "So not a valid source" or "Not even remotely trivia," especially when there's no apology either. It's bad enough to snap at someone out of misplaced anger, it's something else to not even apologize for doing so.  And again, this has been going on for quite a while, so I'm not sure I even really believe your reasoning to begin with unless there was a conflict I somehow missed in the year-plus that I've been a frequent visitor to this wiki (and the 2.5 years that I've been a member).  TheUnknown285 (talk) 10:02, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well thanks. Your "I'm not sure I even really believe your reasoning to begin with" is greatly appreciated. As for a conflict, you mean like that time we dealt with a vandal for a month+ who alternated between flooding this wiki with porn while impersonating Lancer and going to other wikis to vandalize them while impersonating Lancer? That was over a year ago. Not sure how over, but over. Ever since that whole episode, in which people ignorant of the facts came to this wiki from other sites for the explicit purpose of bashing Lancer (who was, at the time, also dealing with the vandal impersonating him), Lancer has been a bit jaded. Understandably so, IMO. And for the record, while "fail" does seem uncalled for, "so not a valid source" and "not even remotely trivia" seem like valid edit summaries. (I'd leave the "so" off of the first one, personally.) I mean, they are literally short summations of why the edit was undone. SpartHawg948 (talk) 10:13, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and thanks, Gardho. As I said, it was a request. You could have told me to shove off. The fact that you didn't is just plain awesome. SpartHawg948 (talk) 09:15, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Is that last point genuine or sarcasm? Because it sounds like the latter when I am trying to be amicable. I understand the community minority you are talking about aren't helping - I have seen this in action and I know who are causing problems, whether they are right or wrong. The fact is some valid points are being raised by both sides, but attitudes like Lancer's muddy the waters. I'm glad he's stepping back. Its a shame but I do think he needs it. Tell him I wish him well.Garhdo (talk) 09:20, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Which last point? Everything in my message was genuine. The last point (as I see it) was me thanking you. That was 100% genuine. So too was my comment to TheUnknown285. People, for example, creating blogs for the sole purpose of insulting the admins in infantile ways certainly are doing nothing to help. I understand it's a minority, but just as the admins as a whole are being tarred, per TheUnknown285's comment, being continually insulted by members of the community can cause even the most patient admins to become extremely frustrated, resulting in interactions with other members of the community that are, at best, curt, and at worst, rude and abrasive. SpartHawg948 (talk) 09:26, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * OK then thank you. I know I haven't taken a huge role on this wiki previously but I would like to help resolve the current issues in any way I can.Garhdo (talk) 09:36, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Which, btw, is greatly appreciated. One of the things I've been complaining about from day one is that the folks opposed to the chat policy changes haven't been putting up viable alternatives other than "do your job better" (which is pretty much literally what some have said). If we're going to get anywhere here, alternatives are needed, as are people willing to actively engage in discussion on the topic. As for not having had a huge role previously, there's nothing wrong with that. A fresh perspective can often be beneficial to discussions like this. SpartHawg948 (talk) 09:51, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

The priiiiize...
Alright, I'll tell you what you get from beating Vega's pull-up record:

A compliment from James.

183 pull-ups and all you get is a lousy compliment. XD LilyheartsLiara (talk) 18:53, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

HAHAHAHA! I am laughing so hard! You built that up so perfectly Lily - Kudos! Garhdo (talk) 00:13, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Chat Mod
Congratulations! You have been approved for Chat Moderator status. Please familiarize yourself with the Mass Effect Wiki Chat! Live usage rules assembled at Mass Effect Wiki:Chat Policies. As a Chat Moderator, you are expected to enforce these rules while using the Chat! Live feature. If you have any questions about your new responsibilities, please let me or another administrator know. Good luck and good editing. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:35, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wow, I am honoured! Thank you very much. I hope I live up to the task. Garhdo (talk) 00:44, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Special:RecentChanges -- you'll see your name highlighted in a cobalt blue on this page, marking the edits you've made.
 * Side note, thank you for the congratulations! I thanked you in turn by changing your name to the proper color, LOL. Trandra (talk) 20:16, March 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah I see now. And your welcome. And thank you in return lol. Garhdo (talk) 20:25, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

ME: Citadel content
I would advise you to check this link before you undo the stuff on Garrus: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Tali%27Zorah_nar_Rayya?diff=392047&oldid=391869.Typhoonstorm95 (talk) 01:57, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

I just left a message on your talk page, but i'll look at that as well. Garhdo (talk) 01:54, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

I asked a question a few nights ago about why I can't meet certain sqaudmates at the citadle for the citadle DLC. I was wondering if you have any new information about my problem. Dalanden20--Victory is reserved for those willing to pay its price 03:44, March 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * I believe someone else mentioned on the blog about having trouble with inviting/meeting Tali. Unfortunately whatever went wrong in your game does not seem to be a common occurrence. I would recommend asking on the Bioware Social Network forums, as they may be able to offer more insight, and if other people are having the same problem then there they already be a help topic about it.
 * Hope this helps. Sorry I don't Have more to offer. Garhdo (talk) 09:26, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Editing other users' user pages
Please do not edit other users' user pages (except in cases of undoing vandalism). This is against ME Wiki's policies, as outlined in the Community Guidelines here, and is a bannable offense. Your offense occurred on LilyheartsLiara's user page, where you appeared to be under the impression that it was her talk page. Trandra (talk) 20:45, March 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah I think I must have got confused which page I was on. I only just noticed when you reverted the edit! Won't happen again. Garhdo (talk) 20:50, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Citadel DLC:
I have looked for some help pver at their help forums and no answer to mine or similar questions posed on the forums as of this post. Dalanden20 --Victory is reserved for those willing to pay its price 21:25, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Policy Forum
If you want to propose something new, then a new forum is required. If you are drawing up a list, then that does not belong on that page. The only thing that page should list after the closing of the forum is that it failed or passed, and where the new information can be found. Please read the title page for the forum which gives quite a few things on this topic.

And I'm going to say this, the forum is not closed yet. By site policy, there are over seven hours before that occurs. Lancer1289 (talk) 16:49, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Ok I misread and thought it said AM. And I'm not trying to propose something new, but put in the draft of the new policy. Garhdo (talk) 16:52, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * That should have been done long in advance, not after the fact, which is why this proposal needed so much work and is one of the reasons I never supported it, nor will support any change to the policy. And even then, it does not belong on that page. It belongs somewhere else and then moved to appropriate places. Putting it there gives the complete wrong impression about what it is. Lancer1289 (talk) 16:55, March 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well where would you suggest I put it? Garhdo (talk) 16:56, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * A sandbox page, user talk page, or some other place. Lancer1289 (talk) 16:58, March 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok. It is now here. Garhdo (talk) 16:59, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * And the most recent comment on the forum page is exactly why things are done that way. Please advise the user of what happened and that draft is not for voting on. Lancer1289 (talk) 17:08, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

mandatory proposal closure
eh, technically you can't open up another proposal until 7 days after commdor locked your earlier proposal. please see the link at the edit summary (or just the community guidelines under making major changes). this wiki likes doing things slooooowly ya know. also, grats on your next edit. 1000th. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 17:02, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

No worries. Ive suggested on the Policy page I set up that Cattlesquat should probably actually propose it himself as it is his proposal anyway. And thank you for the congrats, although my profile page says I only have 960-odd, so it may be premature. :S Garhdo (talk) 18:38, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Editing other users' comments
Please do not edit other users' comments (except in cases of undoing vandalism). This is against ME Wiki's policies, as outlined in the Community Guidelines here, and is a bannable offense. This is your second warning.

If someone needs a comment fixed, let them know on their talk page. DO NOT edit their comment. Trandra (talk) 20:16, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

not sure how its my second warning, and I was trying to tidy the page as the gent had posted ur entire user page on the Talk page, presumably unwittingly. But no worries. Garhdo (talk) 22:36, March 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * 1) It had already been fixed before you edited his comment.
 * 2) Your intent, though well-meaning, doesn't matter. The rule is not to edit other users' comments, so don't do it.
 * 3) This is your second warning about editing other users' stuff. My first warning is still on this page, above.
 * Trandra (talk) 22:55, March 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * It had not been fixed, which was why I made the edit. However I will make sure I am more careful what I edit in future. Garhdo (talk) 23:22, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Check the page history. This is his edit, right before your edit. This is your edit after his edit.

Anyway, I'm not trying to get on your case here, but I do like being right (to the point where it gets annoying sometimes). :P Trandra (talk) 23:35, March 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * He must have done that just before me, as I definitely remember editing brackets. like i said though its no biggie. Next time I'll suggest how to fix something like that rather than doing it myself. No worries. Garhdo (talk) 00:14, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Garhdo, I am utterly confused. After I gave you a warning about it not less than 24 hours ago, you've gone and overwritten another user's comments on a Talk page. There is obviously no malicious intent, but you appear to be careless, which can be an insult in itself. Trandra (talk) 09:27, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Actually that was my own comment. Garhdo (talk) 09:37, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually wait somehow I went over Lancer's comment. No idea how. Garhdo (talk) 09:39, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Right I've checked the time indexes for both edits I have overwritten, and they have apparently been made substantially before mine, yet when I am viewing the page, Editing the page, and even looking on the Wiki Activity page neither of the edits I have overwritten has shown up. I'm not sure if there is a problem with how wikia is appearing for me, but Lancer's comment wasn't there, and when I edited the other comment I could still see your user page, apparently an hour after the user made the edit. I am honestly not sure what is going on? It's like I'm seeing an older edit of pages, and so accidentally erasing newer edits when I publish. I think this must have happened on my User:Garhdo/Policy page as well, when Lancer said I deleted his comment. But the newer edits for those pages aren't appearing in my Wiki Activity feed either. I could really do with some advice on this as basically these last two warnings seem to be a result of this problem? Garhdo (talk) 09:44, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

this seems to be a wikia problem, you might be better off contacting wikia support. i won't even pretend to know something about this issue (if i've been experiencing it, i might've had the incentive to do the research myself). i can only recommend a couple of preliminary measures. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 11:14, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) always test in at least 3 other web browsers in at least 2 configurations and a further 2 states: IE, firefox, chrome; logged in and logged out; and cleared history or not.
 * 2) make sure the AJAX refresh is on. it's the auto-refresh box.
 * 3) when in doubt, do not reply immediately. refresh the page. both normal F5 and clear cache refresh (ctrl+F5 in firefox and google). in normal operation, an edit conflict interstitial page pops up if someone posts first before your edit. evidently in your case it does not.
 * 4) lastly, use this in conjunction with wiki activity. Special:RecentChanges. for double and triplechecking measures. also make sure its auto-refresh is on.


 * how do I make sure the auto refresh is on? I didn't even know Wikia had such a feature as I couldnt find it in my preferences. And refreshing within my browser makes no differences, and I am not getting the edit conflicts, presumably because there are hours between the page version I am seeing and the edits having been made. I still get edit conflicts if someone edits as I am, or at least I was. As I said I saw Trandra's User page in that post an hour after it had been fixed, yet I had only just opened the page. This problem only seems to have been happening in the past two or three days, so I'm not sure its my browser, but I have no idea how to fix it. Garhdo (talk) 17:06, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Auto-refresh is at the top of the Special:RecentChanges and Special:WikiActivity pages right near the header.

Make sure you Ctrl-F5 on pages to force it to clear the cache. And when you're editing a talk page, use the arrow button next to Preview to "Show Changes." That might show you if you're overwriting something.

Go to Community Central and search to see if anyone else has had a similar problem. Trandra (talk) 20:12, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

MoS on Trivia
The MoS section on Trivia can be found here: "Name trivia should be kept to a minimum, and confined to cases where it is either confirmed by a developer, where it conforms to current naming procedures, such as the naming of astronomical bodies after mythological figures, or where a reasonable connection can be made. Coincidental similarities are not trivia." I have to say that your inability to locate this policy is no excuse for the short temper you exhibited in your discussion with Lancer. I ask that you apologize on his talk page for your attitude as soon as possible. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:52, April 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for providing the link, but I will not apologise as I stand by what I said. Lancer's blunt, abrasive attitude, specifically when he acts like his word is law simply because he says it is and that a discussion is closed because he will no longer comment on it, is of a particular irritation to me. Don't get me wrong I know he has done much for this site in the past but his previous efforts are no excuse for his current behaviour and I will not pander to a petulant child who talks to editors like dirt. Garhdo (talk) 01:44, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * also in this case a reasonable connection between the two names can be made. LV-426 is the planet involved in Alien and Aliens, and the movie Aliens has been an admitted source of inspiration on the Bioware team, particularly on mission involving rachni, such as Noveria. Garhdo (talk) 01:56, April 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Regardless of Lancer's past behavior, in this case you're the one who conducted himself poorly. The policy you disputed did in fact exist, so your outburst insinuating Lancer was making it up was completely unjustified. If you apologize to Lancer then I will consider this matter settled, but if you refuse I may be forced to take punitive action against you (including but not limited to a formal admonishment against user harassment). Any complaints or concerns about an admin's conduct should be taken up with the wiki's bureaucrat, they are not grounds for openly disrespecting or provoking that admin. As for the trivia issue, the reasonable connection argument is harder to apply here given that Mass Effect: Infiltrator's developer is a company called IronMonkey Studios, not BioWare. I'm not saying I disagree with including the trivia, but I wouldn't rely solely on that policy excerpt to get it added to the page. -- Commdor (Talk) 03:26, April 1, 2013 (UTC)