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Mass vandalism by Istilldontcares on 3/28/11
Hopefully I'm going through the correct channels on this. Sending this to both you and SpartHawg948.

Was browsing the Mass Effect wikis and stumbled across one of the vandalized pages (was reading on Urdnot Wrex). Noticed that user "Istilldontcares" made the last edit. Checked their profile and subsequently their "contributions" and looks like they're going at it in quite the number. I reverted one but I'd imagine you and/or Lancer1289 have a better way to revert all those?

Thanks and goodluck!

AnimeKid 09:58, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah the problem has been dealt with, but sadly not before he went on a massive spree. The staff worked on it, then once I got on, I've been dealing with it ever since. I certainly hope that he's done by now as he needs to get a life, and quickly. Lancer1289 20:17, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Legion: Trivia
Hello There, Im a bit new at this so please bear with me. I recently added a piece of Trivia to Legion. I can't see it anywhere on the page. Has it been removed? The piece of trivia I added was about Legion having a Gamer Profile. Could you please give me a hand here. Thank you Carbine 707 20:10, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes it was removed by me. The thing is that information from the Shadow Broker Dossiers isn't repeated in the main articles because we already have that information in the Dossiers themselves and we don't need to repeat it. That said, I really can't see how that is trivia because it again puts information from the dossiers into the main articles, which is just needless repeat of information, and the reference part can't stand alone without it. Lancer1289 20:15, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Infinite bans for IP addresses
Probably aren't going to help (and might stop someone in the future getting through).  Random Time  21:14, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well there is more than enough evidence to suggest a sock puppet in this case given actions and content of edits. The standard practice here is to ban suspected sock puppets for the same length as the rest. Also we generally don't protect pages against vandalism. Lancer1289 21:23, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry (it might be worth protecting pages, temporarily, however), it's totally your choice on the block length, so do what you think is best - the way I see it, he's using open proxies to hop through different IP addresses fast, so he probably won't be back on the same IP for a while 21:26, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem is that both active admins, myself and the resident B'crat SpartHawg948 are really against protecting pages, even for vandalism, which hasn't happened in the past. This just forces them to other pages, which will lead to more pages being protected. This is the worst I've ever seen it, and by one guy who in all honesty just can't get a life and grow up. Eventually he will have to run out of IPs, or go to sleep, or even just give up. Lancer1289 21:32, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough  Random Time  21:34, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Considering they are getting fewer and farther in-between, I'm really thinking he's running out of places to proxy from. He's probably exhausted all of the easy options, and now he actually has to do some work to continue doing whatever he's doing. That tends to stop most people, when they actually have to do some work. Frankly, I think it's how he gets his kicks, undoing the hard work of others. Well I'll drop a message with SpartHawg948 about the IP blocks, and see what he says about it. Lancer1289 21:36, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

SP Request
Hey, can you semi-protect my user page? I'm really the only one who's supposed to be editing it anyway; might as well lock out current and future vandals since they won't follow the rules. -- Commdor (Talk) 22:58, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've been tossing this around for about 10 minutes now, and right now, I'm going to be honest; I really don't know what to do. I'm not planning on protecting any user page, including my own, but I'll ask Spart what his opinion on this is. I honestly don't know what to say or what to do with this. We haven't protected pages, and I'm unsure what his opinion about user pages and protection, but I can't see him having a problem with it. I'll enact protection for 24 horus, on your user page only, pending Spart's response about this issue as I know this hasn't come up. Articles yes, this no. Lancer1289 23:16, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * It is done but I'm not sure what is going to happen as a result. Like I said, I'll leave Spart a message about this, and see what happens. If he says no, then I won’t extend it, but I could come up with a few arguments for user pages, while still keeping the article rule. I honestly don’t know what he will say. I do hope you understand my hesitation in this matter. Lancer1289 23:20, March 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it should be fine since it's a self-request, but we'll see. I had a similar setup on Wikipedia, and I didn't think it could hurt to also have it here. But if I can't, then I can't. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:47, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well I left Spart a message about it, included in now a six part message, and we'll just have to wait and see what he says. Again I'm not sure what he will say, but then we'll just have to wait and see. Lancer1289 23:56, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Ongoing vandalism
Hi Lancer. I wasn't aware of the wave of vandalism that just happened. That sucks! (Spam Task Force FTW) Other than blocking users with the "account creation disabled" option selected (which prevents anyone using that IP to edit or create an account), I'm not sure if there is anything more that can be done. That said, I'm not the authoritative person on that topic. To get a more official answer, I would recommend either sending in a message via Special:Contact or sending an email to community@wikia.com. JoePlay http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb33036/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (talk)  23:47, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Email Contact
Hi Lancer. It looks like it was a glitch on our end. We force set your email address to re-mark it as confirmed, so it should be back to normal again. JoePlay http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb33036/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (talk)  16:23, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

News Blogs You Say?
Hey, I was going over some recent edits, when I noticed you made a comment about (among other things) news blogs. As I recall, I proposed a news blog system a while back. Does this mean I should perhaps try and work on it again? Or are we talking about a different type of news blog thing, like just casual blogs about the wiki, and not a full blown news system on the mainpage and all? Either way, Spart seemed rather neutral/against-ish towards the idea. Arbington 06:35, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Something different unless I’m misunderstanding something. What I was thinking about was maybe a monthly or bi-monthly news of what's going on with the wiki. Not reporting news like releases, information, and things of that nature like the initial proposal was several months ago. This would be more like "here's what is going on around here, what can be done, and what needs to get done". Again unless I'm missing something. I really don’t have anything developed and right now don’t have the time, but as I said I’ll get around to it if I do. Lancer1289 06:43, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see. Good idea, but indeed quite different from my old proposal. Good luck, should you choose to go through with it. I'm thus far in favor of the concept. Arbington 06:48, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Just a quick note - I'm against the use of these blogs as an "official" thing (i.e. the "official" ME wiki news blog or whatever), as this has never been done. The prior blogs, which Lancer cited as examples, were done by Tullis with her personal blogs. As such, anyone is free to maintain their own personal news blog. I'm just opposed (at present) to the implementation of any official or quasi-official site news blog by any one individual using their own user blogs. SpartHawg948 06:50, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, you are opposed to a system of news blogs more akin to the system I proposed. I had thought, at the time, that Lancer's proposal was similar to mine, and so thought you were somewhat opposed to the idea. I now know a bit more about what Lancer is going for here. Sorry about any misunderstanding and such. Arbington 06:56, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) You did make your position quite clear Spart, which is why I let the issue go for the time being. Currently this is something on the "back burner" for me as I still want a chance to really work on it before proposing it and seeing where it goes. Maybe I'll start with something unofficial as examples like Tullis did, but like I said above, I really don't have much on this at the present time. I hope to develop it when I have more time, most likely in about a month and a half after finals conclude for me, and see then. However, I don't plan on making this Official in any sense of the work if I start something now. That will be much further down the line, if it even goes that far. Again though even if I start something, it won’t be the “Official Mass Effect Wiki News”, just something I do in my blog for the time being.
 * Arbington no need to apologize, you saw a few comments about something that you put a lot of time into, and just wanted some more information on it. Nothing wrong with that. Lancer1289 06:59, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Infobox basic info
your last edit summary asked me to put in basic info for enemies when adding infoboxes. I'm not playing ME at the moment and don't have that info that I've been leaving blank. Is there some basic reference I can look at? Arbiter099 06:37, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Also, should all ME enemies get an infobox? I know its standard for ME2. If so I get the feeling that there are a lot more pages missing these than I thought, found another one on Geth Hopper Arbiter099 06:43, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok first, if you are going to keep adding them, then please put in everything that can be found in the article. I found several things in the articles that you missed, including the enemy's armament, and all of it was quite easy to find.
 * Second, and I really have to ask this, why are you putting in info boxes if you aren't playing ME and you don't have the information in front of you? The best thing to do with info boxes is to get all of your information before adding it as it only creates unnecessary repeat editing to put in information, especially if information that is already on the page is missed in the initial edit. There is no basic reference and again because these pages aren't edited regularly, Commdor, Dammej, or myself are probably the last ones, and probably several months ago. This isn't like the enemies from Arrival or some other recent DLC pack as those enemies will get edited regularly as they are brought up to date. These enemies are not edited regularly and getting all of the information first before editing would be a good idea with them. Updating articles is a good thing don't get me wrong, but since info boxes are a big part of the enemy articles, and these articles aren't edited regularly, then putting in the box with all of the information is the best strategy here as it prevents unnecessary repeating of edits to articles that aren't generally edited.
 * As to the Geth Hopper page, see Talk:Geth Hopper and eventually all ME enemies should all have a box, but getting the information for them first before putting in the box is highly recommended for reasons I've stated above. Get your ducks in a line before moving on so to speak. Lancer1289 06:52, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

In between my last comment and your response I've noticed that a great deal of, if not the majority of, those pages lack infoboxes. I started this when I landed on a page through the random article button and thought it needed the box, that led to another, etc. On my next ME run through I'm going to make an effort to fill in all these.Arbiter099 06:58, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I again don't have a problem with them being filled in and the boxes added, as they all should have them eventually. However, getting all of the information for articles that are rarely edited anymore is a good idea as it prevents two things. One: It prevents a second quick edit, like I did, of filling in information that is already present which can be missed with just a quick just putting the box in. Two: It makes double checking the information a lot easier when all the information is there to double check. There will always be a need to double check the information, but when it is all there to begin with, it just makes it easier to do it. Lancer1289 07:04, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

I threw together a blog on this to see if I can muster a community effort to speed this process along. Arbiter099 07:23, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I just noticed that, however I will stress that you add something to ask people to put all the information in before adding the box so we don't have to do this thirty times. Lancer1289 07:25, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Impersonator
Hey Lancer. Someone this morning created an imposter version of your profile and managed to make 40 vandalizing edits. He would go around deleting whole pages and replace them with phrases like "unheard of", or "why's this here" or something like that. Fortunately most, if not all the edits have been reverted, and Randomtime blocked the user for three months. I thought usernames can't be re-used, even if the passwords are different. H-Man Havoc 11:48, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * He was actually using a different username each time, using a special character that looks like an a, for example, but can't be told apart using the wiki's normal typeface. Hopefully, he's gone, but I'll keep my eye on Recent Changes for a bit to see if he comes back. If he comes back and I don't spot it - and there are no admins around to block him, you can report it using our IRC channel or Wiki page.  Random Time  11:55, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know that an "a" in the Cyrillic (Russian) alphabet closely resembles our "a", so he could've used that. H-Man Havoc 12:47, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well that's good that the phony lancer is blocked but still this site need to be more careful on those types of things in the future. Shadowhawk27 13:20, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * He's still here... worse, he copied the true Lancer's page and incorporated it into his own. Randomtime blocked one such user, but he remains, with a slightly different character. H-Man Havoc 13:23, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, he's banned for now (again). H-Man Havoc 13:28, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Can we do a IP cross check with the vandal we had recently? I'm suspecting it might be the same person. — Teugene (Talk) 13:44, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it is... the IP is banned when the user is banned. H-Man Havoc 13:45, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm having a look when I block him, there's no pattern so it looks like he's using proxies (H-Man is right, the IPs are blocked when I block the account, unless a box is ticked to not do that)  Random Time  13:48, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Response from me: I still can't believe this guy came back, and again thanks to everyone for putting up with someone who can't seem to grow up. If I keep going, then...well I'd rather not find out. Lancer1289 16:52, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Account blocked
Hey, what is happening here? It is my understanding someone is using my username to vandalize the site again. And now I cannot access my own account! It says it's been blocked by Randomtime. Anybody please contact him or other Wiki staffer so that they unblock my account, please! I'm the real Lancer! 64.20.45.178 14:35, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Having a look, I'll solve this as soon as possible  Random Time  14:40, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't see a block on your account anywhere, only on the sockpuppets that look like you. I've reverted all the blocks on the sockpuppet accounts. Can you login and edit now?  Random Time  14:44, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, still, no luck :( 64.20.45.178 14:52, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you copy the exact block message here, please?  Random Time  14:54, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I am in a diner with my laptop now. Got to go anyway. I'll try again later... All this is so disgusting!64.20.45.178 14:59, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, sorry for the inconvenience - let me know if there are any problems when you come back. Hopefully he won't vandalize again, but I'll have to block those accounts again if he does.  Random Time  15:02, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in but I highly doubt user 64.20.45.178 is the real Lancer. By checking the IP, it shows it originates from New Jersey where Lancer is from Chicago. Secondly, it doesn't sound like his speech pattern. I may be wrong but it's my gut feeling that he may be the same impersonator. — Teugene (Talk) 15:50, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I second Teugene's statement; I've never seen Lancer use a smiley face or write like that. I think it's safe to say that 64.20.45.278 is not the real Lancer. I think your best bet, Randomtime, is to leave the culprit's accounts blocked.--Tecni 15:59, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the intel, I had my doubts, but I thought I'd better be safe than sorry - I'll reblock the accounts and we'll go from there.  Random Time  16:13, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

OK first I really don't care about the site policy right now, second this really is me, and third: WTF HAPPENED HERE. Everything was fine last night when I went to bed and now this happened. I can't believe this could have even happened. I haven't been on since about 3am CST, so now that wasn't me to begin with. I'll be contacting Wikia to see how this could have happened in the first place. Right now, I really don't have any words to say what I'm feeling, but my hands are shaking as I'm typing. Looks like I have even more reading to do. Seriously some people need to get a life. Lancer1289 16:49, April 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Chill there Lancer. No lasting damage had been done. To cut short the story for you, basically someone registered an account with a name closely resembling your username by using special Cyrillic characters which is hard to detect. For example: "а" and "a", "с" and "c". They look the same but the first characters of "а" and "с" are Cyrillic. That's how he impersonate your account. So don't worry, your account wasn't hacked in or anything. — Teugene (Talk) 17:05, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well that's a relief, however I'm sure you can see my frusttration, anger, and well just about everything else with this situation. As to the letters, well that makes sense, I think. Lancer1289 17:24, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * It is frustrating. I was bewildered when I saw an anonymous user reverting all "your" edits but turned out he/she was reverting your impersonator. Even had the cheek to pretend that he was the real one and unable to login into "your" account, as you can see above. So yeah, truly cunning vandal, but fortunately speech patterns are a little harder to impersonate. — Teugene (Talk) 17:38, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it was a little surprising. It has happened before, I'm not always right, but it happens very rarely. But yes speech patterns are harder to impersonate and he made more than a few slipups and if this situation had happened, there would have been other things I would have done, but do you really think I'm going to give those away in light of this? I don't think so. :) Lancer1289 17:52, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * It should be noted that I was the first to mention to Randomtime that the vandal could've been using Cryllic characters... I'm partly Russian, so I have some knowledge of the alphabet. I don't normally brag about these things, but I was one of the first, if not the first to discover the true alphabetical lettering being used. H-Man Havoc 00:55, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I did notice that, and while I also have some Russian ancestery, I know only English. I mainly have to deal with Cryllic spambots and the like. I've wanted to learn Russian, but just haven't had the time. Lancer1289 01:28, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeap H-Man found it first (though I only noticed after I discovered and posted it). No worries H-Man, I didn't take any credits for it but just giving Lancer the gist of what happened :) — Teugene (Talk) 03:00, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem Teugene. I just saw that everytime this situation was posted, I'm wonderin': they write as if it just "magically" appeared to 'em.H-Man Havoc 11:46, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

GENERAL NOTICE TO ALL USERS
Just a few things I'd like to say first about what happened over the course of the last few hours: Again that wasn't me and while Randomtime was here, this is still something I'll be contacting Wikia about. I think there are a few other things I have to say, but I can’t think of them right now. Lancer1289 17:05, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) That wasn't me last night, I'm still trying to access the damage.
 * 2) Thanks you all for undoing the edits. You will all have a nice thank you in a few minutes
 * 3) I firmly believe this is the same guy as last time and now is just trying to be a pest.
 * 4) I have some blocks to extend
 * 5) This guy needs to grow up
 * 6) There are more things I'd like to say, but I think I've gotten away with what I can about breaking the Language policy for now.

The same guy.
Im thinking that the sockpupet is the same guy who put up all those "I am tim and my name is jack harper" pics.He used that smae picture when he vandalised N7 user page after all.--Legionwrex 18:03, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah that's kind of a given. One person who can't act mature, can't grow up, can't get a life, among other things. Lancer1289 18:33, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Karora
Re: Your edits to the Karora page. I don't know why you set up a wiki if you want to discourage user edits.

The "trivia" sections are used on many pages to point out interesting/humorous/popular culture references, and are not deleted for "relevance" or speculation. It's trivia. There's already an existing example on the Karora page, speculating that the name of planet refers to an aboriginal god. The page for "Uranus" speculates on the humorous statement made by the game when you probe it. How is this any different from noting the game designer's use of an unusual, verbatim quote from a popular space movie, in the description of Karora ("essentially a great rock in space")? Your edits make no sense; it's as if you don't like the movie, so you won't let that trivia on the site.
 * See your own talk page and we have standards for trivia anyway. Lancer1289 00:00, April 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * You said that the phrase "essentially a great rock in space" used to describe a planet in Wrath of Khan, is actually a common phrase that's used all the time? Seriously, dude?  Do a search for the phrase on Google - almost every entry on the first several pages is an express, direct quote of the film.  It brings up links to the movie's script.  Can you point out one other example of a film that uses it?  It's not a common phrase, it's no less speculative than the other entry on the page.  Your edits are ridiculous, and it's obviously being done for reasons unrelated to your "standards."

Vandal's back
FYI: your 'doppelganger' has returned. I'm reverting his edits as they appear, but you might want to block at your earliest convenience. -- Dammej ( talk ) 02:21, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Already done. Lancer1289 02:22, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I saw the block in the activity log immediately after I posted. Cheers! -- Dammej ( talk ) 02:26, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I just stepped out for a second and look what happens. I can guarantee it is the same guy from earlier and who has been a pain in our sides for weeks now. I’m taking additional steps. Lancer1289 02:29, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

You should have left that message in Lancer. Let everyone know how insecure he is, probably lacking some development in his the cranium. He must have been ditched so bad in real life thus probably too cowardly to take vengeance in person. So he must do in anonymously behind a monitor screen. I'm sorry that he is feeling rejected. Not. — Teugene (Talk) 03:22, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I have my reasons for removing it which I won't state. Lancer1289 03:27, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Another one!
Check out this guy!!! So far, he's been harmless, but we'll see. Look on the bright side though. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, or so they say! :D SpartHawg948 05:15, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed Spart. Indeed. In times like this, one does tend to forget that. Thanks I really needed that. Lancer1289 05:17, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm gonna be proactive. Call me a go-getter and all that, but suspicion of sock puppetry is grounds for banning, and it's grounds for banning for a reason. Plus, it's been a few days since I banned anyone... SpartHawg948 05:19, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Very well then. Lancer1289 05:21, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * On the off chance I'm wrong, the talk page was left open. How they can disprove accusations of sock puppetry is beyond me though. But really, what are the odds that Iancer1289 is unrelated to all the other "close but not quite" usernames that have been created for vandalism today? Answer - not bloody likely! SpartHawg948 05:23, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah it was confusing earlier because of how he did it, but you can read why above in two different sections. Lancer1289 05:30, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Although, there still are a number of ways to spell Lancer1289, even though if they tried it, it would be obvious sock puppetry: LaNcEr1289, lAnCeR1289, LAncer1289, and so on, so forth.H-Man Havoc 11:50, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

The vandal is back... I recognize the "reasons" posted... the same one that used the cryllic letters, just as a Wikia Contributor. Already overturned some edits, but this is gonna turn into another barrage! H-Man Havoc 12:19, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Should let you know, he's still active. I have a theory why the vandals strike at this time: it's because they know you and Spart live in Chicago and Santa Clara (or was it Santa Barbara?, I apologize if I'm wrong) respectively. Knowing that you guys are asleep, they strike. Though I bet they underestimate me being up at this time. H-Man Havoc 12:44, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.63.242.83 This guy seems to be doing very similar edits. I'd suspect him of being the same vandal. He's limited himself to the Salarian page, though.
 * Got him. Lancer1289 13:11, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Finally he's down. Thanks Lancer. Was already committed to over 50 undoing edits in the space of 30 minutes.H-Man Havoc 13:13, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Thanks guys, for all the hard work you've put in to keep the wiki intact ^^
 * (edit conflict) I've just been reading over Teugene's talk page, and I must say that I'm finding myself having to agree with Spart. Still the conversation was interesting. As to the other comment, thank you and you're welcome. Lancer1289 13:22, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Here's another one. Just hit your user page. -- Commdor (Talk) 13:27, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lancer caught him just now. Indefinite ban. H-Man Havoc 13:30, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Yeah I got him. Lancer1289 13:39, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Same guy's back, using a slightly different "L".H-Man Havoc 13:42, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Got it and please see your tlak page H-Man. Lancer1289 13:43, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Saw it and replied accordingly. Unless it becomes very personal, I'll quit it. H-Man Havoc 13:46, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Even then don't. There's no need to feed him. Lancer1289 13:51, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

First, it is indeed Santa Clara where I reside. Second, so you guys don't think us admins are just sitting around twiddling our thumbs and making you all do the heavy lifting so we can swoop in at the last minute and be heroes (since, as Alistair put it, "swooping is bad"), know that steps are being taken as we speak to implement somewhat of a more long-term solution to the situation. I can't really elaborate atm, but hopefully I'll be able to soon. Unfortunately, it appears based on last night that we can't really rely on the CVTF to be there, but the measures I'm working on involve us taking care of things ourselves. SpartHawg948 19:25, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't want to seem condenscending, but it in slight seems that way... I can't blame you two for that because of the respective time differences (You in PDT, Lancer in CDT and me in EDT), yet it just so happened that I was active as this latest spree went on. In the previous incidence I was one of only 3 active members undoing vandalism (a Wikia contributor was one and Teugene was the other albeit briefly) and this went on until Lancer went online; and in this incidence I was the sole caretaker of the wiki for nearly 20 minutes until Dammej came online and used his rollback abilities to ease the workload. As much as I'd wish for more around-the-clock monitoring, that is an impossibility for two reasons: The first being that we aren't robots who do nothing but troll the internet for all eternity and that's in reference to my earlier statement; the second reason is that we all have lives outside the wiki and I myself despite sometimes wishing I can guard a site for a full day knows full well that even 30 minutes on one site can sometimes feel like an eternity, and instead not worry about it that much. I don't think it's necessary to act like a "Hobo with a Shotgun" (An obvious pun using that new movie's title, but it works the same way as "swooping in"). H-Man Havoc 00:22, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Quick question
One other thing: Don't misunderstand me, I'm not questioning your decision or anything. It was a judgement call and I wasn't there. I noticed that you blocked User:Garrus Is My Bro for suspicion of sock puppetry. My question is, what led you to suspect this? Again, not questioning the decision or trying to undermine it or anything, just curious. SpartHawg948 05:26, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * That would be this edit which was referring to this edit. If follow the image link, fixing the http, then you have been warned but it does explain what he was referring to. Lancer1289 05:29, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I dunno about you, but the guy on the left looks nothing like me. He doesn't even have a beard! Preposterous! :P SpartHawg948 05:32, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Neither the other one me, but I think you can see the logic now. Lancer1289 05:33, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Kylan
Shouldn't the one-sentence "article" on Kylan go the same way as the one on Moklan? (I'm contacting you since your name is the first one on the Moklan talk page.) --87.78.31.76 17:09, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well I personally see no reason to propose deletion of the article, but if you feel that it should go, then feel free to post a delete tag there, give an explaination for why in the template, open a new section on the Talk:Kylan page, and see what happens. Lancer1289 17:15, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think the issue warrants a formal discussion. Just thought that the Kylan article couldn't possibly be less of an article than the deleted one on Moklan. Either delete it for basically the same rationale, or don't. --87.78.31.76 18:39, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Except you are incorrect there as that isn’t how things work here with article deletion and deletion nomination. Every deletion of an article, with few exceptions, warrants a formal discussion, and this article would require a formal discussion. Using one article to justify the deletion of another doesn’t work 100% of the time, and it doesn’t work here as they are different situations and the articles contain/ed different information. So I will not delete it "for basically the same rationale". If you want it gone, then put a delete tag and open a discussion as that is the procedure here. Otherwise the article will stay as I see no pressing need to nominate it for deleting. Lancer1289 18:47, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Samara/Romance
"However, due to Samara's commitment to the Code, she chooses to serve the code over romantic pursuit, which the code does not forbid, thus rejecting Shepard's advances" Could you please explain your reasoning for this particular line? It was my understanding that the Justicar code does not allow for the pursuit of romance. Samara states, "I serve a code deeper and stronger than any feelings. If we survive this mission, my oath to you ends. I will be bound by the Code again. That makes a relationship impossible." This strongly indicates that romance is indeed not allowed by the Code. If I am mistaken then the section stating "...which the code does not forbid..." seems out of place in that particular sentence and would probably be best mentioned later that despite her unwillingness to become romantically involved,it is noteworthy that romance is however not forbidden by the Justicar Code(though as mentioned earlier Samara indicates the Code does forbid romantic liaisons or any romantic relationship at all). The sentence is structured in a way that makes it seem as if she rejects Shepard's romantic advances because romance is NOT forbidden. It sounds like a blatant contradiction when structured in this manner. LegacyOfTheAsh 05:49, April 5, 2011 (UTC)LegacyOfTheAsh
 * Except the Code doesn't forbid romantic involvement. I'm puzzled why this keeps coming up. Never does she state that the code forbids romantic involvement. She actually says that it doesn't as this video demonstrates. Head to 2:30 and Samara says, flat out I might add, that the code doesn't forbid romantic involvement. The line you quote is basically saying that because she is dedicated to the code, and swore an oath to Shepard for the duration of the mission, that when that oath expires, she will go back to the Justicar Code, and while it does not forbid romance, she just can't maintain a relationship while doing her work. There are also probably personal reasons as well, but that's a different matter. So again, the Code does not forbid romantic involvement as Samara herself flat out demonstrates. Lancer1289 12:32, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

It came up because I thought it was wrong and had forgotten about that particular conversation. It is very easily overlooked. That is however what I was looking for but I still believe the structure of the first quoted sentence could be augmented as its structure makes for a confusing and somewhat sloppy arrangement. 76.111.44.189 15:30, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * And you are who exactly? I'll take it that you are LegacyOfTheAsh. I will state however that the wording is fine and I do not see a reason to reword anything at this time. Lancer1289 16:00, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yes that was me, Legacy but I do wish that you would consider a reword, because as it stands the current wording sounds muddled and slightly confusing. If not, it really is not a big deal. Just an informed suggestion.LegacyOfTheAsh 21:23, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * As I stated previously I really don't see a pressing need to change the wording at this time. The wording is fine, the main problem is just people doing what you did, is change it to say the Code does forbid romantic involvement. Lancer1289 21:45, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Lol we were past that but okay, it's no problem. 76.111.44.189 23:44, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Geth military
This line from the geth page's military section confuses me, "Their sudden and unexpected return from beyond the Veil after three centuries was typical." How in any way is their "sudden and unexpected" return typical.I tried to change it but it just got reverted. I look further to your response.Out --Legionwrex 18:55, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Reading it now, it sounds to me like the "typicality" is referring back to the first sentence there. The sudden geth invasion of the galaxy isn't typical by itself, it's typical of geth warfare in general. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:08, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'm going to have to agree. Typical does seem to describe their tactics quite accurately their tactics. I would have to say that I really don't see a problem there and I would have to say that the article is fine as is. Lancer1289 19:38, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Heads up
Another sock-puppeteer of you did some vandalism to Noveria, Feros, First Contact War, Tuchanka, and Thorian Creeper, but I reversed them. Here's the vandal: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User:Lan%D1%81%D0%B5r1289

--Lucius Voltaic 08:35, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh heck he's on a roll :O
 * --Lucius Voltaic 08:36, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I can't deal with this, it's a huge onslaught of vandalism.
 * --Lucius Voltaic 08:43, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fortunately he's been banned by a member of the VSTF, for a year, most likely the same guy as before, considering he keeps using your handle with similar but foreign letters. H-Man Havoc 10:58, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully additional steps being taken at the moment will prevent this from happening again as this is just out of control. Lancer1289 14:08, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Quick question
I sort of blocked my first guy! Huzzah! Anyway, how do you block indefinitely? I only saw options for 1 year at maximum. -- Commdor (Talk) 16:54, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you figured it out, but just type "indefinite" in the "Other Time" line on the block form. Also for my "clones" make sure to check "Prevent user from sending e-mail" and uncheck "Allow this user to edit own talk page while blocked". If you can spot them with the User Creating Log, then even suspected Sock Puppetry is reason enough for a ban. I've already done this a few times today. Just make you don't accidently ban me in the process. :) Lancer1289 17:00, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Got it, thanks. I'm off again, should be back by Fiveish. -- Commdor (Talk) 17:05, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. Now to lunch. Lancer1289 17:06, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Rollbacks
When rollback is used, say, on a swathe of vandalism (e.g. 15 straight instances) does it either: a)Count as a single edit; b) Count as 15 edits (per the example); or c) Count as no edits (as no record is left on the Wiki activities page and it is as if every edit switches everything back to status quo as if nothing had happened in the first place? H-Man Havoc 19:27, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * It counts as just one edit. Lancer1289 19:31, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Infinate block for IPs?
I'd advise against blocking IPs permanently - just because it means that if someone uses it in the future, they may be blocked, and he's almost certainly not going to come back on the same IP if he's using a proxy. It's you're decision on the end of the day, but it's unlikely to make a difference in him coming back, and it may hinder the wiki later.  Random Time  13:43, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * We did go over this above and site policy is clear on this matter. In addition, one thing I do know about bans for users is it bans the IP they used anyway for the same period of time. So either way we are banning IPs for an indefinite period of time. Sometimes you just have to do things. Lancer1289 13:51, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Darn, forgot which wikis I'd advised against this practice before, sorry for wasting your time (correction: autoblock blocks the IP for 1 day, see Special:BlockList)  Random Time  13:55, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah well I still learned something then. I guess when you do go around and do what you do, it can be easy to forget which things you have done on wikis before. Don't give it another thought as I've had, and I'm sure everyone has had those memory blackouts before. Lancer1289 14:00, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * In all honesty, there is a chance some of these IP blocks will be lessened. It's happened before. We did some indefinite IP bans a while back, and one of the other admins, through the use of persuasion and whatnot, convinced Tullis and myself to lessen the indefinite bans on IPs, which was subsequently done. I'm not saying that will happen again, but it's certainly a possibility. SpartHawg948 18:58, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yet the guy who's been impersonating Lancer the last two weeks (yes, he still comes back here, like he did earlier today) somehow still gets on. I feel as if the IP blocks need to maintained and perhaps expanded should the sock puppet get back on again. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 19:03, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Leaving messages over other user's comments
There have been two instances including one just a couple minutes ago where you had placed a comment in front of my comment even if the latter was already there. I don't know many of the wiki rules, but isn't it considered an improper action if any user places a comment above a previously added one? Even if it isn't, I found myself vilified by looking at these instances where my comment was superseded by another one, and I consider it a somewhat hostile action. This is not a threat, I'm just simply pointing out that I don't agree with this practice and have never done it myself for etiquette-based reasons. If you or any other user needs to place an addendum to a comment that they previously posted, isn't it better to place it below a pre-existing comment and reference their previous comment above? Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 17:48, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * First, can you just leave a new message like I ask at the top in the future please instead of editing the whole page? This is because it makes it so much easier for me to know what to look for.
 * Second, no it is not illegal for the reason that there were specific things to respond to, which weren't part of your comment. This is literally done all the time and I can provide a number of examples. None of us consider it rude, and I would consider it ruder if you were to address things in a comment that weren't in the comment above it, instead of responding to that comment directly as the conversation about that specific topic can stay there, while another may have been started.
 * Third, it was an addendum to my comment, which wasn't able to be completed because you edited. Addendums have always been placed right after the comment in question because it is more relevant there, and your way of doing it can cause things to get misinterpreted, misread, or could even derail the conversation. Lancer1289 18:01, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Umm, I actually clicked the "Leave Message" icon at the top of the page before creating this section. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 18:26, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * To address the second part of your answer, I present a hypothetical scenario: Suppose I wrote a comment on a talk page and it is subsequently succeeded by 50 posts (a tad excessive I find). To me, it doesn't make sense to bypass all 50 superseding edits just to place an addendum to my original post, even if the additional points are in line with what I previously wrote. In this case, I'd write my comment at the bottom of the page, starting off with "In reference to my last post on this page [or something of the like]", then pull points from what I wrote previously down to my new post. The policy just makes me feel as if my comments are rather unimportant when someone adds an addendum to a comment they wrote ahead of my comment. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 18:36, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just pointing out that if you had clicked the new message button, then it would have left a different edit summary. Maybe you did something, or the wiki did something, but either way there would have been a different summary.
 * To the point, that scenario is also perfectly fine either way. No one's commons are unimportant, and I’m surprised you take it that way, but a question I pose to you. If someone was adding to their comment, and you edit conflict them, wouldn't it be rude to force them to put in a new comment rather than just finishing what they were initially saying? Like I stated, I was adding to my comment, then you edit conflicted me. This is again done all the time and if the conversation breaks off into two different ones and you post a comment about the first conversation in the second one, that doesn't make much sense what so ever.
 * Users are free to modify, add, or remove things from their comments at any time and the only rule that we have about that, is you can't modify or remove comments from a talk page unless it is either you comment, or your talk page. In the latter example, I am perfectly free to remove this entire section from my talk page if I want to, and no one can say anything of it as it is my talk page. For the former example, if I were to modify your comments, then that would be a problem even if it is my talk page because that is illegal. The bottom line is that users are free to do what they want with their comments at any time, whether add an addendum, modify a sentence, or fix spelling, and they don't have to create a new comment, although it is usually a good idea, if they don't want to. Addendums are exactly that, addendums to a comment they are about. To me it doesn't make any sense what so ever to add an addendum to a comment if it is down the page, or create a new comment that was an addendum to another one. Lancer1289 18:48, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Point taken. Thanks for clearing that up. Now if you'll excuse me, I've an International Politics exam to study for, and it's in 4 hours' time.Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 18:59, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well good luck with that. Politics for me = headache. Lancer1289 19:03, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for helping with the ME3-related reference edits.
Been having a hard time trying to create a reference for the GameInformer magazine. Feel free to correct the links to the BioWare boards.Dibol 21:22, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * First that isn't a valid reference for two reasons; one it isn’t out yet, that is none us here have received it; two it isn’t a link to a website. We need a website for a valid reference, i.e. something we can link to. What you provided was not a valid reference and you also didn't format the article correctly to accept the reference tags. If you don't have a valid link, then it can't be used a reference. Lancer1289 21:31, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Morality guide edit
Lancer first of all I'd like to apologize for "vandalism" but I grew and keep getting frustrated whit the posting of false information. I wrote the article after being waiting if vain for someone else to do it and I assumed you get points the first time I wrote it but after reviewing it it turn out not to be true. You say this wiki has standards, so if you don't get morality points for the decision I mentioned but it says on the wiki that you do, then isn't that posting false information? Please tell me what do I have to do to get that section of the article permanently deleted. (RobertX13 06:36, April 9, 2011 (UTC))
 * Are simple instructions that hard to follow? I specifically ask people that if they have a response to a comment I put on their talk page, then to respond there as I hate cross page conversations. So therefore I will respond here.
 * As to your questions, I already stated where you should bring this up on your talk page. Lancer1289 06:50, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Your Doppelganger is Back Again
Same guy as before... how's he still able to use a similar handle to yours? There are only a certain number of permutations that the guy can use to copy your name before he's completely blocked, but that'll take a very long time to accomplish.Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 12:01, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Addendum: so far he's isolated his vandalism to the Citadel: Expose Saren and Missions pages, but he could eventually proceed to do more damage. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 12:06, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * There was nothing I could do as I was asleep. If this keeps occurring, and I have little doubt it will, then please contact the VSTF on their wiki to report the vandalism if no admins are on. Lancer1289 16:53, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Addendum: Please leave me a new message in the future. Lancer1289 17:04, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * I tried contacting through IRC but to no avail. Nobody there seems to be responding, or probably are AFK. — Teugene (Talk) 16:57, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well I guess we'll just have to deal with it then. Lancer1289 17:04, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lancer, I did click leave new message when I first wrote the text. I think the wiki is doing something weird here if that's not the case. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 03:16, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not willing to say that the wiki messed this up twice and I do think that it is something that you either are doing, or aren't doing correctly. Can't say which at the moment. Lancer1289 03:28, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * What are you insinuating? That I'm incorrectly clicking a link that clearly says "Leave Message"? When I click that, two options come up (Edit and Rename) but I click neither of them, and the page ultimately loads to an editing template such as the one where regular edits are made. Is it that I place a title when I leave a message, but not a subject heading? I'm not sure myself. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 03:33, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah that's what you are doing. That Subject Heading is where you place the title, not in the message body that will auto-create the heading when you hit publish. I wasn't insinuating anything, just that you were doing something that caused an incorrect edit summary, and made it harder for me to see the message. Lancer1289 03:51, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Missing Title
Ok that's fine, at least people will get to have a look at the new looks of Ashley and Kaidain the pictures section for now still the better resolution pics turn up. Also if you or Commdore don't mind updating the mass effect 3 page with this information from the gameinformer magazine. Basically Mass Effect 3 begins directly after Mass Effect 2 DLC Arrival with Commander Shepard being on Trial, which gets interrupted by the arrival of the Reapers. That's your choice I am not forcing you to put it up, it's your descision. Oh and like the PS3 comic story for Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3 has a similar intro for people who start a new game on Mass Effect 3, but haven't played the other two games.
 * Are simple instructions really that hard to follow? I ask people that if they want to discuss something about a comment I left on their talk page, then do it there, maybe I should just stop responding to comments like this. Second I ask people to leave a new message and you didn't do that either. Seriously, are simple instructions that hard to follow?
 * As to your points, which should be on your talk to being with, we will not use those images as they are low quality and I will take no image over something that is super low quality. As to your other thing, I already stated where you can find the information on that and I will not repeat myself. Lancer1289 17:04, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Test message
Is this the correct way to leave you a message, with the title of the message in the Subject/Headline bar? Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 03:57, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes that's it. Lancer1289 03:58, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, now I know. Thanks Lancer. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 04:00, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Pilgrimage edit
I don't disagree with your decision to undo my edit... I knew it was likely a fallacious claim, comparing a rite of passage to a necessity of life. But do you at least acknowledge that some similarities are present between the two customs? I know I do, albeit not strong comparisons. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 23:31, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * The only comparison, if that is what you want to call it, is that they leave and find somewhere else to live. That is it. However, this is not that uncommon with what children do when they leave their parents house when they grow up. They find somewhere else to live, a new town/city/country, and remake their lives. Overall, I can't see a comparison apart from what is just common in a lot of mammals and other species on this planet today. And it definitely isn't trivia material. Lancer1289 23:39, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * In other words it's pretty much a trivial aspect of any life; separating from the parents to start a new life. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 23:45, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Basically. Lancer1289 23:46, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, a more appropriate analogy would be if there were a parasitic animal species that, upon reaching maturity, left the animal it was in or on (which itself is part of a larger herd), wandered for a bit, then came back to the same herd, just to a different animal within the herd. After all, the analogy you make assumes that each individual ship on the flotilla is akin to a separate herd. This is, of course, not the case. The flotilla itself fills the role of pride or herd, and individual ships are like individual animals. SpartHawg948 06:09, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * That would be a better analogy wouldn't it, except I don't know of anything like that. Lancer1289 13:25, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Remoras maybe, as they usually cling to sharks and then eventually leave that shark to latch onto another shark. Typically seen on Manta Rays and Nurse Sharks. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 15:52, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would still have to say that is still a stretch. Lancer1289 17:10, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Kasumi glitch
I dont know your definition of a glitch but appearing with the wrong gun seems like a glitch to me. And could you please point out to me where the information I put down is written "in more appropriate places" if its actually been noted on the page at all because I dont see any reference to it on the entire page and being on the page seems like an "appropriate place" to put it, dont you think?

Ricven 18:12, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * First it isn't a glitch in that sense. Other weapon glitches are noted where appropriate but that isn't one of them in any sense of the word. Second that piece is covered on the appropriate page, M-8 Avenger. Third that, nor any other article, is the appropriate place for that as we would end up repeating the information I don't know how many times. That is just needless repeat of information in my book. Lancer1289 18:23, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

First of all, why is it more appropriate to have that information on the article of the gun thats featured in the cutscene rather than the mission that the cutscene showing the gun is in? A person reading the article on the Kasumi DLC would be completely unaware of the glitch (or whatever you want to call it) unless they looked at the M-8 Avenger article, which isnt mentioned on the page either. So are you trying to say a person researching the Kasumi DLC would find out about the glitch quicker if it were featured on the page of the weapon rather than the page for the DLC? Because in my book, thats retarded. Ricven 18:43, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * First watch the language. We do have a Langauge policy. We don't have any need for language here. Keep it mature and appropriate, or don't say anything.
 * Second, no it isn't as we would end up repeating that bit of information on at the very least 6 different articles I can think of off the top of my head. Therefore putting in one place reduces the amount of needlessly repeated information. We don't needlessly repeat information here, and that would be the very definition of it. The information is where it is because of that.
 * Third, as I already stated, it isn't a glitch. There are other weapon glitches, but that isn't one of them. Lancer1289 19:21, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Squad Weapon Damage Penalties
Just asking, would it be ok if I were to add figures of squad damage penalties to all the weapon pages? There are already figures on a few pages, e.g, the Avenger's, the Vindicator's and the Viper's pages. So I thought it would be prudent to add data to other weapon pages as well. Come to think of it, I wonder why not all the pages had this information already. The data can be found here: and can be confirmed by looking in coalesced.ini files, but of course, the former is easier. Tali&#39;s no.1 fan 20:43, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * First, no as there is no dev confirmation on any of that. I believe the information we have is dev confirmed, but what you provided is not acceptable in this circumstance. They is no dev confirmation on that, and I'm not willing to take the author's word on that. Second, absolutely nothing related to game data can be confirmed using the coalesced.ini file. That is a red flag as it is an interpretation of game data, which is also known as speculation. This issue in particular was dealt with in more than two articles. If you can find a dev confirming all of that, then we can discuss further, but until then, nothing is added, and nothing is removed. Lancer1289 21:02, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

mass effect
Then me and you both think mass effect is a good game but I don't get how some people can hate mass effect I have all the mass effects along with colletibles and limted addition mass effect helments
 * So why couldn't you respond on your talk page like I ask at the top of mine? I hate cross page conversations. As to your comment, I really don't know what to say to that. Lancer1289 17:38, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Missing Title # 2
Hey I just added some stuff to the Mako guide. I think my theory is correct but I have only tested it on one playthrough. Paul
 * First if you which to communicate with me, then leave me a new message. That isn't very hard and it is much more appropriate than putting a comment in a section which has absolutely nothing to do with what you are asking. It is also what I ask quite clearly at the top of my talk page.
 * Second I stated quite clearly in my edit summary that it needs to be brought up on the talk page first. Your using words like "observed" and "my theory" and those aren't appropriate in articles unless they have been confirmed first. Lancer1289 18:35, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

This is my first time ever on a Wikia. Is his how you treat all newcomers? Or are you just a dick to everybody? I'm sure this will be deleted but next time you message me I expect to be treated like an adult. Try again. --Humans Vanish 18:40, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * And you are exactly? Because you have never edited here before. Second I have all of that spelled out at the top of my talk page and I so ask people, very politely I might add, to just follow instructions so it makes communication easier on both ends. Third, note that we do have a Language policy here, and you just broke it. Fourth, if you are the user above, you messaged me and on my talk page, which again has those instructions clearly listed at the top. Lancer1289 18:50, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

No, I understand what I did wrong. What I do not understand is why you had to throw your net-weight around to accomplish something that a simple polite private message could have solved. But looking at your past contributions to your talk page you seem to do that a lot. I guess we all have to compensate somehow. So I'll let you be you, go about my way, and continue to contribute good tips that will help players. Which was all I was trying to do. --Humans Vanish 18:59, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not "throw [my] net-weight around", it is simply a statement asking people to please do what I ask at the top. This not only help me, but helps them as well as it helps me find what they are asking me for. It doesn't help when simple instructions that are clearly labeled at the top of my talk page are ignored as it takes me longer to find what is being asked. I am not compensating for anything, and the thought that I am I take as a personal insult as that is just unnecessary to begin with. I will help people, but they make that harder when simple instructions that help the flow are ignored, it doesn't make things easy. Lancer1289 19:09, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Rules regarding users deleting other users' comments from one's own talk page
The user you just issued a warning to about countermanding the Language policy has just cleansed his talk page of your comments, including the automated message that is sent from an admin regarding welcoming a new user to the wiki. I undid the edit because I assumed he's breaking the rules, yet the user in question Humans Vanish has deleted all comments from his talk page again. I know in the rules, one can remove his/her own comments from their own talk page or archive the responses within certain dates, but his actions from my experience are bannable offenses. What happens in this case?Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 19:11, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * See your talk page. Lancer1289 19:14, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info. Let me add one more thing. That's two of you know who have refused to help and just resorted to being condescending and frankly, rude. And it leaves me wondering: Is this what goes on here all the time? Is this what the Mass Effect community is like? You have really left a bad impression on me and I hope that you don't make a habit of it for future users. Try to be a little more understanding of others or you may turn away great minds who want to share their knowledge. --Humans Vanish 19:15, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Mass Effect setting changes
You cannot sit here and tell me that this:

"The game is set in the year 2183 CE which is 35 years after humans discovered Prothean ruins on Mars which revealed the secrets of the Mass Effect Field which can reduce the mass of an object through the use of element zero. This unlocked faster than light travel and mankind began their journey among the stars."

Is more informative and accurate than this:

"The game is set in the year 2183 CE. The Human race has been settling space for over a century. It has been 35 years since Humans discovered ruins on Mars of an ancient space-faring race known as the Prothean. After studying the technology left behind by the Protheans, it ultimately led to the discovery of the Charon Relay. With the help of the Mass Relays, Humans have been able to study, explore, and colonize worlds outside of their solar system. Humans have made contact with many galactic species since the discovery of the Relays and continue to have diplomatic relations with many of them."

I thought we wanted to sound good. Not like a run-on sentence. Please tell me how this is uneccessary re-wording. Please tell me which one you would expect to see in a video game manual. --Humans Vanish 01:09, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind, its been dealt with. --Humans Vanish 01:52, April 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Very well then. Lancer1289 02:23, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Likely vs. Possibly on Fai Dan
You recently undid Honeybunch's edit on Fai Dan, changing "possibly" back to "likely". But it's a vague enough correlation, without much evidence, that I think "likely" is too strong. We should go back to "possibly" unless there's more evidence that it's a reference to Star Trek. --Lucius Voltaic 06:26, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * The similarity is pretty striking. And this coming from someone who is generally loathe to acknowledge the possibility of a reference. Given the similarities, I don't see the need to change it to possibly. It wouldn't really be "going back", as "going back" suggests a return to the norm, or to established precedent, and in this case, that would be "likely", not "possibly". SpartHawg948 07:20, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Is the dialogue similar? (I haven't watched Wrath of Khan in a while.) If not, recall that the concept of someone committing suicide in a moment of lucidity to avoid further mental control is not unique to that movie. See, for example, R.A. Salvatore's Exile and Sir Arthur C. Clarke's The Parasite. --Lucius Voltaic 07:36, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * I haven't watched STII in a while either, nor played through the level in a bit, but given the frequent Star Trek references, it does certainly seem more likely that it'd be Star Trek referenced than obscure works by R.A. Salvatore or Arthur C. Clarke. I mean, really... a five year mission? Adams overseeing Tantalus? The drink identified only as "green"? SpartHawg948 08:00, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Look, I'm just saying it doesn't have to be a reference to anything. The guy killing himself to escape mental control is a classic trope. It's like if you find a Freudian trio of characters--the "heart, mind, and body" or "ego, superego, and id" characters--it doesn't have to be a reference to Kirk, Spock, and McCoy; or Harry, Hermione, and Ron; or Tintin, Professor Calculus, and Captain Haddock; or any other occurrence of the trope. It's just an element that recurs in various stories. --Lucius Voltaic 08:33, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't have to be a reference to anything. You are correct there. However, given the prevalence of Star Trek references in the series, and the similarities here, it does appear that this one is a reference to STII. That's all I'm saying here. We're not talking recurring elements here. We're talking a pattern of deliberate references, many of which are too detailed to really be coincidental or imagined. SpartHawg948 08:57, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

News blog
Hi! Would you mind me setting up a news blog on the Mass Effect Wiki's main page, similar to the ones at e.g. The Vault or Dragon Age Wiki instead of the current, static news section? I set up a News page already as an example. It allows anyone to post up-to-date news and makes the news sections a lot more interactive thanks to user comments. Please let me know if you have any questions. Ausir(talk) 19:04, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah we tried that in the past, and it just created problem after problem and the project was eventually abandoned due to the multiple issues that arose. We handle news differently on this site, so I would have to say that I am opposed to this as it stands as literally nothing has been done about this since the project was abandoned. I can see that the issue is already being discussed however so I'll move over there. Lancer1289 19:14, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Admining
Hey there I'm a beurocrat on another wikia, do you have any idea how to give someone admin status?--Fatherbrain300 21:29, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would recommend talking to SpartHawg948 our resident Bureaucrat for that answer. Lancer1289 21:40, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

It's ok I figued out it out, for future reference is either Special:Makesysop or Special:Userrights, thank you. --Fatherbrain300 21:44, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

My last edit.
Okay a few minutes ago I made a section on the Normandy SR-2 page, and now it's gone. I put the Trivia section on there because I knew something about the Normandy. Even though I've done maybe 2 or 3 posts I would like to do more so please can you put that section back in. And yes, it is true and if you don't believe me go on ME2 right now, go on the Normandy and tell me there is someone walking around other than Shepard and that is not in a cut-scene. If you could do that, I'd be very happy. If I don't have time to message you back, then, thanks.
 * As I stated in my edit summary, how exactly is that trivia? The same thing goes for the SSV Normandy, and several other scifi games that I can think of off the top of my head. You don't need to tell me it's true as I can quite clearly see that myself. Just because something isn't listed in the article, doesn’t instantly mean that it is trivia, or that it should have a place in the article. The bottom line is that isn't trivia by our standards for trivia nor does it have a place in the article. Lancer1289 22:01, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Harry Potter connection to Purebloods
You are mostly right in deeming it a stretch, but my reasons in placing this trivia are that a) both purebloods and mudbloods are discriminatory, derogatory and quite likely racist, though purebloods here aren't exactly prejudiced to the extent as mudbloods are in the Harry Potter universe; and b) it is ironic that purebloods are treated with disdain while in the Harry Potter world they are at the top of the hierarchy so to speak (though most families mentioned with the exception of the Weasleys are bad). Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 02:23, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * As I said on the Fai Dan conversation above, just because something is similar doesn't mean it's a reference. Discrimination on the basis of bloodline is a very common device in fiction, and of course in reality too. --Lucius Voltaic 02:33, April 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yet not much of it is as prevalent as these two. Most, although have roles in shaping the plot, don't overtly discriminate. Anything more severe is usually found in history. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 02:35, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you seriously underestimate the prevalence of this trope. For goodness' sake, racism is a subset of it, and you can't say there aren't zillions of books about racism. --Lucius Voltaic 02:40, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not denying your claim, that's for certain. Surely every book contains an element of discrimination (I'd like to think of racism as a much higher level of that); otherwise the notion of an antagonist would be limited, if not absent. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 02:44, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) I have to agree, this is still a stretch. Last time I checked, the pureblood asari are not treated any wores than other asari. The practice of asari exclusive parings is discouraged, but unlike HP, there isn't a drive to keep "blood in the family". So there's your first bump. Also note that they are two different terms and while both are derogatory, I can point out numerous words that are and for all intensive purposes mean the same thing. Also last time I checked, we have currently have only six known purebloods, Samara (good), Liara (good), and Morinth (bad). Samara's other daughters chose to seclude themselves rather than follow Morinth so we can those to the good side. Erina is a bit of a mix, in other words, just like everyone else, so nothing special there. There isn't enough to draw the conclusion. Maybe if purbloods were treated the same in both, then you might have something, but since they are different terms, then it is a stretch as we can point out numerous examples in history where something similar has happened. Please don't make me start listing them. Lancer1289 02:48, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Asari changes by 98.227.39.178
I believe the changes that were made are closer to being grammatically correct that the latter. Uneccessary? Maybe. Definitely sounds better though. --Humans Vanish 04:09, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes it was unnecesary as it stated the exact same thing just using different wording. Again, hence unnecessary rewording. Lancer1289 04:13, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought that the policy was that "unnecessary" was not a criterion for removal. If it sounds better, why not keep it? --Lucius Voltaic 04:30, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * No unnecessary has been sighted numerous times for undoes and general edits as well. It is not forbidden to use it. Also need I say that "if it sounds better" is a highly subjective statement. And can I get through one game of Reach without a message? Lancer1289 04:38, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

I guess not, I mean, you do have a job here. And three of us think it sounds better. So change it. Its our wiki too. --Humans Vanish 04:43, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Except saying the same thing in different words is not a valid reason for a change. It is the exact same thing as switching US to UK spelling or vice versa. Again hence "unnecessary rewording". Lancer1289 05:46, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

You know I've been here a few days and I've seen nothing but disdain from you towards the average person who thinks the wiki needs touching up. It sounded better and if three people have come foreward thinking so, why not change it? Make it sound better Lancer. Thats your job. What the hell is wrong with that? Just because we don't have admin powers doesn't mean we don't have a say at what happens here. You should consider that. This is a public domain and if someone changed four words to make an article not sound trashy then so be it. It sounds wrong the current way and it needs to be changed and reworded. So either get off Halo and help us fix it properly or direct me to another Admin who will. --Humans Vanish 04:45, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Except the thing is I've been off Halo, been trying to deal with my internet just going down, and you leaving me three messages didn't help. This is why I haven't responded as my internet has been down since about the last hour. So don't say I was on Halo because I couldn't have been. I also noticed you broke the language policy again, which this will be your final warning on the matter. It also doesn't help when you leave me three messages and I try and respond. That doesn’t help your case. My job is uphold standards, and if that means reverting an edit because it says the exact same thing just using different words, then so be it. Lancer1289 05:46, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not here to make trouble, but I follow your movements everyday. And time and time again I've seen someone change something that legitimately sounds better and you change it back. It seems like because they are a nobody you don't think they have the right to edit. Do you think you are more knowledgeable or have more of a right to choose how Mass Effect is represented? I think we all have a say. We need to fix this Unecessary rewording issue. Rewording something can change the entire meaning for the reader. Unecessary rewording is a phony excuse for changing something if it's better dude. --Humans Vanish 04:51, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yet again I must say that I don't do that unnecessarily. I enforce the standards that have been established and one of them is that changing a sentence to say the exact same thing is not acceptable. Rewording is sometimes necessary, but when it is changed to say the exact same thing, then that is frowned upon. It is not a phony excuse, but rather a very reasonable one. Unnecessary is a very valid excuse for undoing edits and has been used in the past, and will continue to be used. So don't patronize me for doing what I'm supposed to be doing, and rather, oh maybe I don't know, come up with a solution by yourself instead of flat out demanding that someone else do it for you. Lancer1289 05:46, April 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Quite frankly I would love to see the official policy where it says that "unnecessary edits are frowned upon", i.e. "edits that an admin doesn't personally like just go away". --Lucius Voltaic 05:59, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * First, don't twist my words to suit your purpose, as that deliberately misquotes me and makes it look like I said something and I didn't. I.e. "unnecessary edits are frowned upon" when I never said that anywhere in my comments. I didn't say that nor was that implied as I made myself very clear what was. Changing the wording of a sentence to say the exact same thing is frowned upon as you are basically just saying the exact same thing, just using different wording. I again stated quite specifically what was frowned upon, so again don't twist my words to say something I didn't as that is just insulting.
 * Second, not every edit that is undone as "unnecessary" are done by admins. Generally yes as they are the ones usually around, but there have been other instances. However, there are policies that are written and unwritten as there are anywhere you go. There's always the written rules, and then there are the unwritten rules which are followed anyway. Standards can't all be written down, otherwise we'd have nothing but a very long policy page. Anyone is of course free to challenge an edit, or better yet come up with a solution for it. There are implied standards in articles, and if something is done that doesn't match the rest, or contains trivial information, should we let it stick out like a sore thumb?
 * Finally, don't put words into my mouth as you did on two counts here. That is just flat out rude, and frankly insulting. I do not undo edits lightly and I do take the time to evaluate them. Some are quicker than others yes, but for long ones, I do take the time. Which seems contrary to what you believe. Lancer1289 06:17, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Lancer, I'm still hearing the same thing from you. YOU don't find it neccessary. YOU keep saying that it says the same thing. It does not say the same thing. It's a rewording. If you think having four commas in one sentence is "standards" then why are you even Admin? I GUARANTEE you that if it was Commdor or H-havoc whatever, that you would have left it the H-E double hockey sticks alone. (Is that okay for you? Apparantly this standards are kept at a 3rd grade level.) It's unfair treatment and I don't agree with it. It's time to stop sitting in your chair and dictating and start asking everyone. And you know I would take care of it myself, but WE all know (we being he average user) that it would get reversed and put down. Mass Effect is OURS. Not any one person. Lets let it get represented in a way that is accurate, but still reflects the standards of everyone. Not just YOU. I know it sucks that someone is challenging your position of power and strange self entitlement over this matter. But it is a fallacy. We are clearly all intelligent here. We aren't damaging the Wiki in any way. We only wish to improve it. Stop dictating and start listening. Your credibility is on the line and everyone will watch. --Humans Vanish 07:15, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

And you know, if I get banned, I want everyone to know that this is wrong. Your too absorbed into this personally. What were wiki's created for? Created by the user for the user. --Humans Vanish 07:21, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Why, you ask, is Lancer an admin? Simple. Because I and the other admins agreed that Lancer was deserving of promotion to admin status based on his contributions to the wiki, his tireless efforts to improve articles and prevent vandalism, and his proven track record of both abiding by and promoting site rules and policies. The admins voted UNANIMOUSLY to make Lancer an admin. If you think this was in error, and that Lancer has been abusing this position, don't just rant and rave about chairs and who owns the wiki and entitlement and challenges, and bring it up to the person who you should be talking to. That'd be me. The Bureaucrat. Don't just post inflammatory messages here to prod and provoke. That's just as wrong as the behavior you are decrying that you claim Lancer committed. SpartHawg948 07:29, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, someone with their head on their shoulders. I believe we haven't had the pleasure of introduction but as I have pointed out to Lancer a few days ago, this is my first Wiki I have ever decided to formally join. I have never edited before and just so happen to be learning the steps as I go. And as you can tell, I learn quite fast. I do not think that Lancer should be punished, reprimanded, or demoted in any way shape or form. I don't get my kicks by stepping on the less fortunate. That is reserved for people who believe that that is the only way to solve their self esteem issues. Lancer actually appears to be very smart, passionate, and meticulous about his place here. Albeit may be a little to the extreme but that is not for me alone to judge. I just ask that he realize (or realise) that a little self reflecting may be in order. Frankly, many articles here would sound much better with REWORDING. If a third grader wrote my essay for biology. I may just have to reword it to make it sound like someone who knows what a run-on sentence is, wrote it. Rewording is neccessary to continue improving the quality and integrity of the Wiki. After all, when we put in all the information we possibly know about the Mass Effect universe... What is left? Refinement. So lets let the refining commence and stop trying to keep the Wiki down. --Humans Vanish 07:40, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not the vibe your last vitriolic message left. Nor did I get the impression that the person leaving the message had their head on their shoulders, or was a person I'd find it pleasing to be introduced to. Questioning someone's competence to be an admin, disparaging the standards of the wiki and, by extension, the work of those who contribute to it, and flinging about accusations of "sitting in your chair and dictating", talk of "challenging your position of power and strange self entitlement" (the last part being particularly uncalled for), and demands to "[s]top dictating and start listening", as well as absurd statements that "[y]our credibility is on the line and everyone will watch." Then, to ice the proverbial cake, the next message, where you insinuate that Lancer may be so petty as to ban you unjustly. I'm not trying to be rude here, but messages like the one you left previously just plain make me mad. No user who has done as much to improve this wiki as Lancer has deserves to be treated so poorly.
 * That said, again, if you have a grievance with Lancer (you claim you do not, but the previous message suggests otherwise), be professional about it! And if you need to, use proper channels. Don't leave nasty-grams on people's talk pages. SpartHawg948 07:55, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Lancer and I were having a discussion about the wiki. Nasty-gram? He fell off the conversation apparantly. I was replying and conveying my thoughts in response to his previous messages. Just because I type a lot doesn't mean I'm attacking him. It merely signifies that I have a lot to say. Now I must query you in the matter of his Dictatorship. Clearly the actions being used can be labeled as such. What he says goes. Now, I'm not saying he deserves what is going on here, but it's really not my place to determine what he deserves. Again, I must point out that since this has started, NO ONE has said a word about what is actually being discussed here other than the short attention Lancer gave to the issue earlier. My actions keep being brought up. Lets stop argueing and talk about fixing the Wiki. Honestly, it sounds like you maybe feeling a little personal about this too. Step away from Lancer as a friend for a moment and look at how he has been using his power. If you truly see no issue, then I really can't continue to add to this discussion. But believe me, everytime I believe anyone is making decisions that aren't what Wiki's are about, I will say something. EVERY TIME. It's wrong. And his credibility and the credibility of the Wiki are on the stand here. When a new user, like myself, comes on here with something they believe is appropriate and every time the answer is Uneccessary Rewording when CLEARLY the previous version is incorrect... I see that user saying "Man, that was more trouble than it was worth. Maybe I'll go find another Wiki." But I digress, if you won't listen to me here, please direct me to the proper channels where I can get something done here. Hopefully it will work better than the Mako Guide issue. --Humans Vanish 08:16, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you think that this wiki is some sort of dictatorship, and that "[w]hat [Lancer] says goes", I can only reply that you clearly haven't been around this wiki too long. Spend some more time here. Take part in more discussions. Learn what actually goes on before making assumptions. When consensus is reached, Lancer always abides by the will of the community. Ditto if he's overridden by the other admins or myself. And yes, thanks to the comments I quoted above, your message did seem like a nasty-gram. It served no purpose but to attack Lancer.
 * Now, as to the other points, you decry the fact that "NO ONE has said a word about what is actually being discussed here other than the short attention Lancer gave to the issue earlier." Well, it takes two to tango. The messages you have been leaving here of late did nothing to steer the conversation back to the issue, and as I pointed out, actually served to steer the conversation further off track by launching needless attacks against Lancer. As for my taking this too personally, again, you clearly haven't been here on the wiki for very long. I'll happily override anyone if they're wrong. As the admins about that. I can't see any issues with how he has been using his power, but again, if you see an issue with it, USE THE PROPER CHANNELS! That's part of my job! To listen to concerns people have with the admins, weigh these concerns fairly and impartially, and take what action is deemed necessary! I can't do that if people don't come to me, or if they just make vague and generalized accusations elsewhere. I'm trying to fix the wiki, and stating that my actions are otherwise directed and further claiming that I can't (or won't) do my job fairly and impartially is just uncalled for. If you want to fix things and help out and whatnot, demonstrate this. What I've seen so far, particularly on this talk page, gives me serious doubts. SpartHawg948 08:30, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

When it all comes down to it, I have said what I wanted to say. Hopefully, it may be heard and taken into consideration in the future, because I know there has to be a dozen people who feel the same and keep their mouth shut. Only time will tell. So until next time, well, hopefully there won't be a next time like this. See you around the way. --Humans Vanish 08:44, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * So, the many and varied (alleged) abuses of Lancer are now... too inconvenient and time-consuming to report? I've shown you exactly where to go and who to talk to if you have concerns with any of the admins (where - my talk page, who- me, as the Bureaucrat) and promised to hear the matter impartially. As any of the admins, Lancer especially, can tell you, I don't let personal feelings interfere with wiki matters. I've sided with people I hate and against people I like. It all depends on who is in the right. Based solely on this issue, I can't see any problem, as the change was implemented and, given that Lancer was editing the wiki after the change was made, I can only surmise he is aware of it and complied with the will of the community be keeping it in place. But if there are other issues, I can't do squat if I don't know about them. (Not saying there are, so don't get concerned Lancer, I'm just dealing in hypotheticals. This is a somewhat gray area in site policy, I suppose.) The same goes for these apocryphal nameless and voiceless dozens. If you see a problem, keeping your mouth shut sure won't fix it, will it? SpartHawg948 08:50, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Wow I go to bed, and look what I miss. Since I "fell off the conversation apparently{{sic>>" did anyone consider that I was sleeping as I needed it? I can't edit when I'm sleeping can I? I can't be here 24/7 which seems to run contrary to what you believe. As to one of Spart's comments about this being a dictatorship, shall I start finding examples where I have been overridden my him or given in to community consensus? I’m sure I can find plenty of them.

I would also have to agree that most of your comments where "nasty-grams" given that they were attacking me, but I won't say anything more on that now as there really isn't anything else I can say that hasn't been stated. Also Spart is correct that I don't let emotions get in my way here as that would be wrong as it even more biases me towards a situation and prevents me from being objective. I believe I only let my emotions get the better of me once, here on this talk page actually, which is somewhere in the mess above on my talk page. Not this section, but in one of the ones that deals with our recent vandal. Trust me if you see an emotional statement from me, then you will know it. There really isn't much else I can say that hasn't been said. Lancer1289 14:01, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Spelling Mistakes
Regarding my last spelling/grammar error, I did and I couldn't find a version of that word spelled that way, so I thought it was wrong. I am sorry, I don't mean to offend anybody and I don't want to make anybody think I'm telling them their wrong or stupid. Please accept my apologizes, I meant no disrespect.--J Shepard 14:33, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * That wasn't the implication, however I would recommend sites like Wikipedia, Dictionary.com, or any general reference site and you should find spellings of both versions. There is also a link to a University Website in the MoS detailing some of the major differences. Just some general observations of my own, in UK "z" is usually an "s" and "u" is sometimes in the word "Armour" "colour". Again neither is wrong as both say the same thing and I highly doubt that you disrespected anyone here. Lancer1289 17:19, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and I again I appreciate it.
 * Sure thing. Lancer1289 21:46, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Someone deleted the varen page.
Please do somthing about this because my computer wontlet me.--Legionwrex 22:32, April 18, 2011 (UTC) After looking at the page I discovered its actualy a double, please just delete the page because I dont know how, heres a link
 * It seems to have sorted itself out and you will have yet another message in a minute about leaving messages. Lancer1289 23:10, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Good save there, Lancer. I thought I'd be scrabbling around for words and images to flesh out the article for the next half hour or so, but you were prepared. Thanks. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:17, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I had it mostly done, finished earlier today, as I just got overwhelmed with the amount of outside work I'm getting. Prepping for a recital, prepping for a jury, (both of those are one hour of practicing my trumpet daily, combined not seperate), doing more homework than I'm used to, homework backlog, among other things. Right now, I just have to overhaul the varren page to match a few other pages, and I think we need to split another article like we just did. Take a guess which one... Lancer1289 23:23, April 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Uhhh... Thresher Maw? But yeah, I understand that kind of workload (except for jury duty, I've never had the pleasure of that obligation). This quarter I've got less homework than earlier in the year, but I get out of classes two hours later most days, so it unfortunately balanced out (and not in my favor) again. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:35, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm maybe the Thresher Maw page needs to be split as well along with the husk page. I'll have to add another split tag.
 * Actually you have the wrong type of jury. I'm not going to court. The type of jury I'm referring to is common in the music world where a student prepares a piece, usually a solo, sometimes, but usually with accompanist on piano, and then plays it for a group of professors/judges. They then judge the student in multiple areas, including but not limited to, intonation, tone, accurately, and technique. Lancer1289 23:39, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah. I did play an instrument (the clarinet), but only in middle school, not long enough to learn about that kind of jury it would seem. So it was Husk and not the Thresher Maw article? Looks like I inadvertently doubled your wiki workload for next week. Apologies. :) -- Commdor (Talk) 23:49, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah thanks for that. :P
 * However I'll have to find the time to deal with them. Fortunately those are a little easier, espeically the Thresher Maw one. However it is also Easter week, and as a Roman Catholic, and a bunch of other things at my Church, my week will be busy to say the least. Lancer1289 23:52, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bet you wish cloning technology had been perfected. Good luck getting all that done. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:00, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah that would be nice, the clone does the homework. Lancer1289 02:41, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Source(s) for voice actors
I'm just curious here, what are the other sources besides IMDb that we need to verify the voice actors? — Teugene (Talk) 16:36, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Some other valid sources are of course the BioWare forums with dev confirmation, an actor/actress's Facebook page, Twitter is not valid, magazine articles/website (Game Informer, IGN, GameSpot). Basically any source that can be independently verified and ones that check their sources. Since IMDb works like a wiki, we can’t accept it by itself, something else is needed. Also just a quick mention, the in game credits, with a video link is a good one. Lancer1289 17:09, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I get it. Reason that got me questioning was when after you reverted that voice actor edit recently, I checked and noticed how some seemingly insignificant characters pages even has a source linked to IMDb. Made me wonder about when and how those voice actors were verified previously. Also, the style guide has no mentioned of needing more than just an IMDb source, potential misleading new and current editors about IMDb verification. — Teugene (Talk) 17:27, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * The current policy is to link to the IMDb page of the voice actor for convenience purposes only. Most, if not all, of the voice actors have been confirmed in some way, via other sources (vid docs, Forums, credits, verifiable websites/magazines, etc). It is an unspoken policy, and one that has worked in the past, along with a few others that aren't written down. If it becomes a problem, then we may have to, but right now I don't see a need to write it down.
 * Although ShadowHawk27 made it his "personal mission" to get all of the voice actor names, and you can read some of the fallout on his talk page, and a few others, from that. He was the one with the real problem with following the policy, which again you can read on his talk page. Lancer1289 17:39, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I might have missed that conversation at that time. Alright then, thanks for shedding some light! Have a good day. — Teugene (Talk) 17:49, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Your welcome and I'm hoping my day improves as it hasn't started off very well and my week is going to be chaos and long. See the above section for that. Lancer1289 17:56, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * The week has just begun, you'll have more days to improve on it! If you need help on the above, I can lend a hand in something. — Teugene (Talk) 18:01, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * If my week keeps going the way it is, it won't. As for the above, that won't be that difficult as those two are much easier than the varren article. I still need to work on that by the way. Now where is that document. Lancer1289 18:10, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to point out, Twitter is valid in some circumstances. In fact, the circumstances under which Twitter is a valid source are pretty much the same circumstances under which a Facebook page is. For example, if Christina Norman tweets something, it's considered a valid source. SpartHawg948 18:37, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I should have worded that better. Curse memory blackouts. I forgot about Ms. Norman's twitter account and that was considered a valid source. Lancer1289 19:18, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Is the Mass Effect 3 article true?
On the website cheatcodescentral, i saw this article on Mass Effect 3. (SPOILERS if it's true) They said that the game will begin with Commander Shepard in trial for the events of the Arrival DLC. Also, it said that all party members that survived the events of the two games will return. It said that party members would return but in different parts of the story. Like a Cerberus mission would include Jacob and Miranda but not Wrex. But a Krogan mission would include Grunt and Wrex but not Liara. So, party members would be available for different missions. Since you know a lot about Mass Effect, do you think that this article was just a bunch of rumors or was it true? Thanks! :D --ABCinME3 18:39, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * And what article would that be exaclty? A link would have helped. Also could you remove the spaces before "On" as it makes it show up funny on the page. Lancer1289 18:48, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

that's the article where it said these things. --ABCinME3 05:51, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah there are several things in there that haven't been confirmed by other sources, and other things that have. Right not I really wouldn't consider that a source, unlike Game Informer or the forums. 14:30, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks to be just a rewrite of the GameInformer article, plus some speculation, and the Artwork is fan-art. So yeah, it's pretty much all true. Keep an eye on our Mass Effect 3 article, it's very well sourced and, as of now at least, all 100% accurate.JakePT 14:44, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Lancer

Would just like to say what a fantastic job you seem to do on this wiki. I know there are other contributors out there and thanks to them also. But your name seems to crop up more than most.

I too am totally hooked on ME series, can't wait for ME3 (Just hope they don't wreck it like they did with DA2). I'm trying to get to level 60 on a single playthrough, and this wiki is great for checking out things that I may have missed (though I am on my 8th playthrough, 6 Femsheps (yep I am) and 2 Male Sheps (modelled on my husband lol). It takes a few run throughs to get a handle on all aspects of the game and where things are etc.

Anyway, thanks bud and keep up the good work!
 * I can only say thank you from the many people that do help maintain the wiki and I know they all appreciate it as well. I am also hopeful that ME3 will be more expansive as I also had issues with what they did with DA2. Finally, I also wish you luck on your playthroughs, but you are lagging behind. I have 36 Shepards through ME, and about 27/28 that are through ME2. :) It does take a few times through to get a handle on it, but it is still a great game and one of the reasons I picked 360 over PS3. Lancer1289 21:06, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Just a Heads-up
I have already reported the thread about the Wiki over on the BioWare forums. Whenever the mod logs in, she will deal with it her way. -- Fiery Phoenix 21:12, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I merely stated that I was surprised that it wasn't shut down as the time I have been on the forums, things like that, that have completely deviated from the purpose of the thread and have broken down to personal insults and attacks, are usually shut down. I did not ask for it to be, as some of the comments are interesting to read, though some people need to get their facts straight, and I know it must not have been easy for you to jump in to a shark take, so I think you for that. Lancer1289 21:16, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I like the part where one user calls me a fascist. It's funny, because it shows he has no understanding of what fascism is. Oh, and the part where another user calls me unprofessional for putting comments and quotes of a political nature on my user page. Although there were some pretty cool people there too. But seriously, I'm kinda running late for class now so I can't really elaborate, but I've been thinking of making some changes and opening things up for community input and such, which I'll probably do later. I'd been thinking of it for a while, and some of the people on the forum did make some valid points. So, stand by for some stuff later. SpartHawg948 23:40, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well it will be interesting to say the least. Lancer1289 23:59, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Odd. That forum appears to have disappeared. The poll which was created as part of it still remains though, and still (as of this comment) shows results which seem to indicate that most forum-goers don't really agree with the handful of people who dominated the now-departed forum. :) SpartHawg948 05:03, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * That is indeed odd. Maybe BioWare took it down. Lancer1289 05:21, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * It was deleted. -- Fiery Phoenix 14:28, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well mystery solved then. Lancer1289 15:15, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Removal of Image on ME3 Page
I added a picture to the Mass Effect 3 page. It was supposedly confirmed as an official screenshot by Gameinformer. Now i'll admit i'm not fully sure whats considered official or what is prevented from being put on the ME3 page (which I understand would be and is rather closely watched for obvious reasons). With that in mind, you didn't leave any message, either on the ME3 talk page or the talk page of the image. As such, I was wondering why it was removed. I thought it perfectly valid, if a little out of place (there wasn't exactly a good place for it that corresponded to the text). --FoxtrotZero 00:42, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * First why should I leave an message on a talk page, which we don't, and will not, do for every edit as talk pages would be absurdly long, when an edit summary works well. The major reason is it really doesn't fit into the article because we have very few images in the ME or ME2 articles, only ones that are necessary, and I don't think that one is necessary. Sure it's interesting, but not really relevant to the article, it is concept art, nothing more as there is no way that is a screenshot. It also has the Game Informer watermark in it and we can do without those images. Not every image that is uploaded to the site has a place somewhere, some are just completely irrelevant and don't have a place. Lancer1289 00:49, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I'll try to keep that in mind next time. However, I never suggested leaving an image on a talk page, I reccomend you reread my post a little slower. I mentioned that you did not leave a message on the ME3 talk page OR on the talk page of said image. I want to point out that i'm fairly new to actively participating in a wikia, so i'm trying to be helpful without stepping on toes. --FoxtrotZero 00:53, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually you did suggest that everyone whoever makes an undo leave a message on a talk page somewhere about why. This "...you didn't leave any message, either on the ME3 talk page or the talk page of the image. As such, I was wondering why it was removed" suggested that we leave messages on talk page for simple undoes and where an edit summary would work much better. Lancer1289 01:00, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you made a typing mistake, then. You opened with "why should I leave an image on a talk page", where I didn't suggest anything about leaving an image on a talk page. I think you might have messed up there. --FoxtrotZero 01:09, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes it should have been message, but again you did suggest that we leave a new massage on a talk page for every undo, when we already have a tool that works well. Lancer1289 01:13, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Overzealous
This is just my opinion, admin to admin, but I think you've been way too overzealous with undoing edits recently. You've just undone two perfectly good edits that broke up excessively long paragraphs into something more readable simply because you, and only you I might add, have deemed it 'unnecessary'.

There is nothing in the Community Guidelines that says anything about 'uncessesary edits', not does it say that we are the arbiters of what is necessary. As Tullis noted on her talk page when another user disputed some of your actions: "As a general rule when handling pages, admins shouldn't: ... While Tullis is no longer active, and not necessarily in charge anymore (That's Spart, and I have no idea what his opinion is on this), I happen to wholeheartedly agree with the points she made. A significant number of your edit undos are you imposing a stylistic preference on this wiki with zero discussion or compromise.
 * impose 'stylistic preferences' without discussion or an attempt at compromise..."

As long as an edit doesn't break any of our rules, isn't vandalism and doesn't do something obviously unnecessary, such as repeat existing information, then I see no reason to undo it willy-nilly. All too often it seems like the only edits that are allowed to be made are those that pass Lancer1289's personal standards.

I'm not going to go about undoing your undos or getting into edit wars with you, I just wanted to bring an issue I have to your attention so it can be addressed. I'll just end by quoting the Mass Effect Wiki:Administrators article, as it quite neatly sums up the principle I feel you are failing to uphold. "Administrator powers should be use to help keep the wiki clear of vandalism, spam, and users who make malicious edits, but not for simple disagreements between users acting in good faith. Ideally an admin shouldn't be considered 'in charge'. The ideal admin is just someone who is trusted to have a few extra buttons and to use them for the benefit of the Wikia community." JakePT 15:58, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Yet may editors including yourself have used unnecessary before, and so have more than a few other people. I'm not imposing standards but I did honestly not see a reason to spread out information like that as it really did nothing but add additional space to the article. I've seen longer paragraphs and yet nothing is done about them. If you have a problem with it, then you also be talking to more than a few others about the exact same thing, and I believe that Spart also has more than a few of those edits for the exact same reasons. If you have a problem with something, then procedure it to take it up on the talk page, but spreading out a paragraph based on nothing is also a statistic preference isn't it?
 * There is really no need to get snippy. Lancer1289 16:11, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * "But sir, he did it too". Really? First of all, irrelevant, and secondly, no one does it more than you or for such trivial things. And if making the article shorter is your issue then we should go ahead and delete all the empty space? Shrink it right down? There is such a thing as readability, and it doesn't always mean shorter.
 * Also, telling me to take up an issue with an edit on the talk page is really rich, why didn't you take up the user's edits on the talk page before undoing them all? Or is that something only other users need to do?JakePT 08:49, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Xbox?
Hi Lancer!

Going by your previous responses in the past, it seems you play Mass Effect on the 360, right? If so, can you give me your gamertag so I add you to my friends list? That is, if you don't mind. -- Fiery Phoenix 19:22, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure but if you don't mind, I'd rather send it in an email if that is possible? Lancer1289 19:25, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is my "gaming" email:
 * fphoenix_90@hotmail.com

-- Fiery Phoenix 19:28, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I could have just used the email user function, but that works too, I just sent the message let me know when you recieve it. Lancer1289 19:43, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Lancer, you should give me your gamertag to, I mean If you want to be x box friends, my email is LMmoen@aol.com, if you get a friends request from seddjrqpi thats me, I dont want to pressure you to do this if you dont want to though.--Legionwrex 19:50, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I tried the email three times, all returned. And yes I checked it. Lancer1289 20:37, April 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Received it and added through Xbox.com. Thanks, Lancer. :)


 * Though it's probably worth mentioning that as I am currently away for college and don't have my 360 here, I won't be able to go online again until June. Thanks again and glad to have you aboard! -- Fiery Phoenix 19:53, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok then and I confirmed it. Lancer1289 20:37, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

That strange that it didnt go through, but couldnt you just send it to me via friend request on Xbox live, if its to big of a hastle I understand.--Legionwrex 21:23, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see how it is... *sniff sniff*... no one wants to be Spart's friend... :( SpartHawg948 06:39, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you want my gamertag then? Lancer1289 06:43, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe I don't now that I've been left out of the initial get-together... :P
 * But yeah, it couldn't hurt. And I did post here acting all put-out and all. Darn kids... I should ban the lot of ya! SpartHawg948 06:47, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Email Sent, but in a fairness, you were out at the time so we didn't know how to get you an invitation. :P Lancer1289 06:50, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Negative. I was on and editing for most of the conversation. The only parts that occured after I left were the last three comments prior to my first. I didn't interject at the time because I was waiting to see if anyone would bother to think of poor old Spart, who does so much and asks so little around here... :( SpartHawg948 06:53, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * My mistake then. :( Lancer1289 06:59, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

C'Mon!
Seriously though, in response to your most recent blog post (I'm sure you know which blog I'm referring to), when a user I'm talking to about not violating site policy violates site policy again, I can't just "drop this argument before it escalates further". It's part of the job to talk to other users who have already been warned about insulting people if they insult people again. SpartHawg948 06:51, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * It was more directed at the anon as I'm just trying to keep it from getting worse. It's kind of a more of a "hint hint this isn't making the situation any better wink wink". I know what you are doing, but I'm also trying to head it off. Lancer1289 06:57, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. SpartHawg948 07:02, April 23, 2011 (UTC)