User talk:Lancer1289

Welcome to My Talk Page. If you don't find an issue that you have brought up with me in the past, then please check my archives because I have moved a lot of it to there. However I ask you to NOT edit there, just drop me a new message to bring up the discussion again. To leave me a message, please click on the "Leave message" button above, rather than just editing the whole page. That way I know what to look for. Thanks.

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Question.
So, I think this is a pretty good idea that should be implemented, but I always like to get admin approval. Would it be okay if we added a "Loot" section to walkthrough pages (at least for ME2 and ME3 articles), as it is annoying to have to skim through an entire section to find the info. The reason I ask you is because you are lead of Project Trailblazer.

Additionally, I want to apologize for my activity, or lack of therefor, on project Trailblazer. Had I not been appointed os lead of Chronicler, I think I would have actually attempted to help in Trailblazer.--Legionwrex (talk) 18:59, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am going to be completely opposed to that idea because I see is as a needless waste of space. I have argued this point several times over and my position has not changed. I also haven't been doing much work because I really haven't found anything that really needs to be done. There are only a few things and things that often others will catch because we can't see it or we just overlook it. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:10, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay then, I just figured I would present it.--Legionwrex (talk) 19:20, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Blog Oddness
Hey, just wondering if you've been having issues seeing blog posts lately. I'm unable to read them, the posts appear blank and no comments are visible. When I make an edit to a blog post, I can then read it again, but when I exit out of the wiki and return, the problem is back. I think it may be related to a recent update for my browser, but I'm not sure. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:29, November 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Never mind, the problem was apparently some sort of weird browser plug-in I didn't know I had downloaded. Fixed now. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:54, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've seen this problem before and it is usually an issue with the browser, a plug in, software, or most often a Wikia caching issue. Good to hear that it is resolved, but I just figured I should share that. Lancer1289 (talk) 01:57, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Heads Up.
,This guy has broken multiple policies, including using offensive language and insulting another user.--Legionwrex (talk) 00:08, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Blocked for 3 months. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:37, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good riddance.--Legionwrex (talk) 00:38, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Chat bugs
Hey, several of the users and I have been experiencing bugs in the chatroom, mainly messages not popping up and not being able to type. Can you check it out? Nord Ronnoc (talk) 03:55, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Please don't report things like this to us as we have no control over them. Things like this should be reported to Wikia staff members as they can do something about it, we can't.
 * On a side note, the only time I want to hear about Chat is when someone brakes rules. If there is a problem with it, I could honestly care less. Lancer1289 (talk) 14:08, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Vandal Alert
An anon user 50.21.187.202 vandalised Milkman's profile.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 16:47, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Character Customization
Hi Lance

Havent been talking lately. Thought I'd pop a message by and just basically say if need me to make a good edit or two on character customization such as powers, tips that sorta stuff, gimme a buzz, been working every Wednesday-Friday providing tips and tricks. After all, I like helping people out with their problems, and I know I've provided quite a few ideas which some people may not have thought of, and I thought, I'd be considerate and give you a reason to "order me about". Hehe, but in all seriousness, you give me a buzz every wednesday afternoon-evening, and I'll see what I can do for you and the community. Ciao JouninOfDespair 18:29, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have to ask this kind of question, then the answer should be readily apparent. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:58, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

?? Thats not a question, I think thats a statement. Oh I CBA going down that road because that will make things awkward, anyway off to bed after a hard days graft. Oh and its me birthday now on a side note. Bye :) JouninOfDespair 01:13, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

user images control additions/amendments proposal
i'm currently drafting one and i'd like to see your opinion on this. it's basically something that'll place some responsibility on uploaders to tag their images properly while getting rid of seldom-seen irrelevant images tolerated because of "personal space" issues. support the idea, oppose the idea, don't care about the idea, on the fence about the idea, i'll probably post the specifics under projects after some feedback. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 08:40, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * The thing is that people are already supposed to tag images they upload with the relevant category. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:51, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

well, the thing is, if they themselves don't tag their own images properly and leave the tagging to other users (specifically user images), it'll have to go. even if the image is being used on userspaces. cleanup and responsibility are some of the goals here. (MOS doesn't specify who does the tagging, i took that to mean anybody can do it, i'll specify that the uploaders themselves do it mandatorily, among other things) T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 16:10, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually according to Mass Effect Wiki:Files Guideline, and I quote, "Images uploaded for personal use that are not related to Mass Effect must be tagged as such, either when they are uploaded or after the fact." The fact is that I've discovered that people just don't listen at all. Lancer1289 (talk) 16:12, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

so clarify. can anybody just tag some random user's images as User Images or do the uploaders themselves have to do it.

if the latter, then i'll simply undo my attempts at tracking the wiki's old files, let the uploaders do it themselves, then proceed with opening discussions for the second part of the proposal: deletion of nontagged images even when used in userspaces. now that is the part that actually needs scrutinizing since it seeks to amend the statement

"If images are not tagged for personal use when they are uploaded, they will more than likely be put up for deletion and eventually deleted if they are not used or they are missed being placed in a user space."

if the former, same thing really. minus me having to undo taggings sooner. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 16:33, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * If an image is being used in a user space, then it is a user image and counts against the limit if it meets the guidelines as such. If it isn't being used in a user space, then it isn't a user image and shouldn't be placed in that category. If it isn't being used, then it really don't matter. I really see no reason to do anything to it anyway since again I've noticed that people here don't seem to listen to guidelines like that anyway. Lancer1289 (talk) 17:00, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

i did just list "files cleanup" and "uploader responsibility" as part of the reasons for doing this. a couple of others: obviously there's a bunch of utterly irrelevant images on the wiki just sitting here and i'm even willing to do all the hunting for such things (hint: i did some months back and as i said it's a nightmare. and actual deletion is about one of the only things remaining).
 * easier future organization (retroactive cataloguing is always a nightmare and deletion of noncompliant files even if ostensibly used in userspaces should force policy compliance to some degree),
 * increased awareness of site policies (of course),
 * forcible duplicate elimination (why upload the same thing for "personal use" when it already exists on the wiki - this and this, and one of them is protected from deletion simply because "it's in use"),
 * forcible undesirable images elimination (let's face it we get one-time users who upload irrelevant stuff and scram never to return. this and this),
 * bandwidth saving (probably negligible for wikia but still, storage and bandwidth does cost money).

tl;dr: pruning.T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 18:09, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I really just can't see the point of most of this. I really could care less if there are unused images on the wiki since they aren't doing any harm. We ask people to read policies, yet some people just won't or don't care. No matter how much we will push them, unless we put them on every page, there is really nothing we can do to increase awareness since people don't read them anyway. As to duplicates, well that has to be caught and the lower res one deleted. The undesirable image deletion is something I'm against, since if it is usable, then there is no harm, but if it isn't, they are typically tagged anyway. The last point is really irrelevant since there are wikis that are many times our size. There are some good points, but most of this is either really unnecessary, contrary to some other things, or something that we just can't do anything about. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:03, November 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * i actually made allowances in my draft for handling personal images by inactive users that are actually usable by the wiki but aren't posted in mainspace: concept art, official screenshots, files used in projects or as confirmation for bugs/glitches/etc but are posted in forums/blogs/any other userspace. also, good example on User:Dammej's page. in such cases they're to be left alone since they're potentially usable. all others, well, as i said i already did the cataloguing for all past images and i'm willing to shoulder half the work again (deletion is obviously going to be on your end).
 * some people are bound to complain when they log in one day and ask "hey y my shepurd pic deletid". pointing them at policy should enlighten them that they're in the wrong. being a persistent prick should be enough to earn them a ban (can't even do 5 seconds of tagging + potential breaches of user conduct). the rest won't care to return anyway and there's also no harm in deleting their images.
 * the lowres duplicate i pointed is currently protected from deletion since it's being used in a blog. per current rules on userspace. i'm sure you'll also want to have it removed and i'm also assuming you're referring to this point (and undesirable images) as contrary because it violates userspace property. if you also noticed we have categories that aren't supposed to be here but left alone since they're marked on userspace. shouldn't we be keeping the wiki clean not only in presentation but also in the backend side? dealing with unwanted categories are another matter but this issue did just include them because of relation. wiki cleanliness should take precedence over userspace, and we can't do that with existing rules which is why i'm seeking to have some of them changed for that purpose only. starting with images.

it's true that we can't do anything about some things like indolence but we have to start somewhere if we want to have a slicker wiki. we can at least be proud that every user-collaborated aspect of the site is tightly organized compared to other wikis. ah well. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 20:20, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #1
I hope I'm not overstepping my boundaries, but I'd like to inquire as to why you deleted my entry on KEI-9's page. Shepard DOES, in fact, express interest in calling KEI-9 'Bolto' if you talk to it enough times; that entry was not a lie. I would like to contribute what little tidbits I can to the wiki, so I hope we can resolve this. Xiaolruc (talk) 06:16, November 20, 2012 (UTC) (P.S. Sorry, I fixed an accidental double-post on my part.)
 * As I stated in my edit summary, we have had multiple conflicting reports on this issue and until we get confirmation it will remain out of the article. Lancer1289 (talk) 06:20, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't understand. What exactly is the 'issue'? Xiaolruc (talk) 06:27, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * What is so confusing? We've had people say they've heard it and others say they haven't. Given we have had more of the former than the latter, we require confirmation before it goes in. I do not see what is so hard to understand about that statement, or the original one for that matter. Lancer1289 (talk) 06:28, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

My apologies; I didn't realize the term 'issue' was referring to the KEI-9 page. (Insomnia can do that to a person.) I'd have understood right away if you'd specified it as such. I'll look into getting some proof, then. Xiaolruc (talk) 06:46, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #2
I apologize. I have an aggressive sense of humor which doesn't come across well in type. Also, I'm just excited for the weekend. Ctrl alt belief (talk) 08:14, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Two people now.
 * And that isn't the point. There was no excuse for that and there won't be any time in the future. Lancer1289 (talk) 20:11, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Request
Can you please remove the second photo I uploaded? I was just comparing resolutions. http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Corsair_Banner.jpg Sqarkplugz (talk)

A little help with some work.
Hi again Lancer, I've been working on preparing the notes for the new classes as they come out using Word pad, and I'm not sure if I could save what I have done onto maybe a sandbox link, or a file or whatnot. I figured planning ahead will make editing those classes so much easier and also help people out sooner. At the moment I've just finished the "Asari Huntress Infiltrator" and I've also done the Drell Infiltrator and Quarian Soldier and I just need to do the Batarian Adept, Turian Engineer, and Volus Vanguard, which I will do at some point today or tomorrow.

Basically long story short, I need to find a place to save these things, so that when the classes DO come out, you, and I and other people can access that data swiftly, and put that straight into the Character Customization pages. Do you know what I'd need to do to do this? Thanks JouninOfDespair 13:09, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why do you keep doing this? You do not need my permission to make every little edit. And more to the point, how can you make notes for something that isn't even out yet? We do not accept leaked information, which is the only way you could have gotten it. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:56, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, your not getting my point. I'm not ASKING for permission. I'm asking if its possible to store it somewhere. Anyhow, I got the info because the powers are posted below in the multiplayer y'know the bit with the links TO the characters. So because they are in a word pad ready to be uploaded when needed, I'm not breaking any policy, I'm preparing myself, like a farmer prepares his crops for the long winter. Please do not take me the wrong way. I learned that leaked info back on the CoD wikia. So to reiterate, I got this info on my own general assumptions - NOT from leaked information on the internet, well in a sense I guess it was because the powers of each class that isnt out yet is posted on the Wikia. BUT POINT BEING I havent broken any leaked policy agreement rule. Thank you :) JouninOfDespair 22:36, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, you are creating notes for characters you haven't played with? How is that logical? I don't care where you get the info from. It is leaked information and isn't permitted. I will not allow you to put notes on for characters that you haven't played with as that defeats the purpose of them. "Assumptions" = speculation, which isn't permitted. Your "analogy" isn't one, it is a bad attempt to try and relate it to something. If this is what you have been doing, then I will tell you to remove all notes you have added for classes that you haven't played with. That defeats the purpose of them and is dishonest to say the least. Lancer1289 (talk) 22:41, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I want an answer to those questions. Now. Lancer1289 (talk) 23:04, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh for the love all things holy. I HAVENT put leaked info on this wikia, I've merely put them in a word pad, ready for when it DOES need to be added, or is ALLOWED to be added. Please do not start having a go at me for something I havent done man, I have not ONCE uploaded any information on any classes or anything that has not been released yet. All my information I HAVE added during my 600 edits have been explicitly based on the items that are already up I.E the weapons, the classes that HAVE been released. Yes I HAVE created notes, in a word pad, but I have NOT put that info up on the wikia. Its logical because then when they HAVE been released and I've been given the all clear to put up that info, THEN and ONLY then, will I put the info up on the wikia. Do you understand me now Lancer1289, or are we going to fast fall out? I surely hope not! Because as said, I cannot stand being accused of something I have not done, that makes my blood boil! JouninOfDespair 23:45, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * And you have failed to answer my questions, which is what I asked you to do. Are you writing notes for classes that you haven't played yet? And have you been doing this? How can you write notes for classes that haven't even been released yet and ones that you haven't played yet? If you haven't played the class, then you do not have a right to make notes about it. Now either answer those questions, or I have enough reasonable doubt to remove a large amount of your edits. Lancer1289 (talk) 23:57, November 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * What else do I need to say? Right I'll explain this as simply as I possibly can. The edits I've done on this wikia, have all been within the boundaries of policy and regulations. I AM writing notes on the Asari Huntress, Drell Assassin and Quarian Soldier, but they are on a WORDPAD program on my computer, like microsoft word. Those classes have not been leaked in any way shape or form, and certainly not by me. The notes on the WORDPAD program will be added, but only when we are given the all clear to do so. Basically take a look at the link here: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect_3_Multiplayer/Character_Customization#Retaliation  The powers are described here, I took the opportunity to open a wordpad as said, and write down the classes general notes for all three of the classes mentioned.

As for the edits on classes like the Vorcha Engineer which was already out, the Asari Valkyrie, which is also out, the Volus Engineer and Adept, which both are already out and I only started editing usually a day after they did come out. I will only make edits when I'm 100% confident we are not going into the "Leaked information" policy issue. As said, think of a farmer preparing his crops for the winter ahead. I'm preparing the information on the classes that HAVENT come out yet, yes, I'm doing that on the WordPad accessories program, but I am NOT putting said information onto the wikia, until at least a day or two after the classes in question have been released. Please tell me you understand now Lancer, because this is genuinely becoming painful for me. JouninOfDespair 00:09, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * So you are posting and preparing notes when you have no idea how the classes will play, you haven't played them, and which aren't even out YET? HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE. You are posting things when you have no idea if they even work. How long have you been doing this?
 * Your analoyg isn't an anology, it is an excuse for you to post false and misleading information. Now either answer my two questions, and only those two questions, which I will post below or do not reply.
 * So you are posting and preparing notes when you have no idea how the classes will play, you haven't played them, and which aren't even out YET?
 * How long have you been doing this?
 * Now that is what I want you to answer. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:13, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Only today. I have not done this for ANY other class/race or species. If thats what you want. And I'm not "posting" anything as I said. I've just put notes standing by, remember, like anything those can be changed at will, so if its not what I thought it'd be, then I can edit those at will, get it? JouninOfDespair 00:16, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * So you are telling me that everything you have been posting for however long now you tested before you posted? And use indents properly. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:17, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Facepalm*. No. I have only taken notes of those 3 classes TODAY around 12:00pm GMT time (12 hours from now). I have not been doing that for the other retaliation classes, I waited at least 24 hours for the other classes like the volus adept/engineer, or asari valkyrie before I put myself into doing something serious. Btw please dont be too much longer, I have job centre in the morning and I really need to be getting to bed. JouninOfDespair 00:20, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * First, lose the attitude because it is not remotely helping you at this point. So then I can say that everything you have put into articles you have tested? That you played with the characters? Tested their powers? And tested all of the weapons? And that you somehow managed to get all of the new classes and weapons within a day of them being released? I am going on questions and answers right now and I will not comment on any point further until I have the answers I want. So either answer them, using proper indents, it is not that hard, or I will go off of the information I have. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:25, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did unlock those characters very luckily admittedly, I got all the classes the day they came out, I tested them, tried some techniques, and yes, I got a lot of information from them. I WAS also going to put in that there was a glitch with the new Retaliation DLC characters where sometimes you would end up getting more skill points than normal, and you'd end up with all five skills maxed out, but figured thats not logical. I noticed the invulnerability gained for that brief second like usings shield ops survival pack when using shield boost, I noticed the information that you can only get UP 90% damage protection from the same power (and others combined). And I most certainly noticed that the Incinerate power has range over the Flamer. I do play ME3 regularly you know. How else would I get the info? I have a very, VERY sharp eye for details. JouninOfDespair 00:29, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict x2) Ok now that you have actually given me a straight answer, I will ask more questions and get the answer to those.
 * How can you prepare notes for classes that are not even out yet? You cannot have tested the powers, or how they play so why even make notes for something that you have not played or used? Lancer1289 (talk) 00:33, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, given it does seem far-fetched, but some of those classes uses the same powers OTHER classes use, take a good look at the main character customization screen look through each one carefully. If it was powers I havent even heard of, then yes I wouldnt even bother, I'd be wasting my time. Your right that I obviously havent played the classes, but I HAVE used their powers since I used other classes that have them, such as the N7 demolishers Homing Grenades which Drell Assassins have, or the Recon Mine the Volus Engineer has. I know how they work, and I've played with friends who've also used the classes that are out. Remember, the notes in the word pad are only grass roots. If I need to edit them, I can at will, and it will save me so much more time than writing it all out from scratch after playing with those classes. I'm not all dim-wits and no sense :) JouninOfDespair 00:39, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * So you are making notes based on assumptions and guesswork? That is not logical since the only way you could have gotten them is off of leaked information. If you post any notes within 72 hours of new class releases, I will remove them for being based off of leaked information. It does not matter what powers they have, or anything else. The fact remains the only way you can even put any of these notes up is if you test them first and that is based off of you getting them quickly. The only way you can post notes is if you test everything first, so that does mean starting from scratch. There is no cheating here. I will now take every edit that you do with a severe grain of salt. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:45, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * So if I HAVE tested something, I can put it up, but if I HAVENT I can't? Is that what your saying? *Sigh* Why is it I'm always hindered in some way or another. May as well be saying if you havent tested it that I'm gonna get smacked with a baseball bat, this is what I get for being extremely observant. Its not ALL guesswork and assumptions like you think it is, sometimes I know that information because I look at the numbers, calculate it using a calculator and say this does x amount of damage like with the Overload for the Geth Engineer way back in I think the Earth DLC? I am disappointed suffice to say. Very disappointed this is the way it has to go down. JouninOfDespair 00:51, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. The point is that you should test it before you put something up. How is that no a reasonable or a logical request? It is common sense that you test something before you post not. Not look at numbers. What you were thinking, and possibly doing, completely lacks common sense. Lancer1289 (talk) 01:02, November 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * You seem to have a lot of anger issues with not just him, but me as well. That is what I have noticed about you Lancer, you seem to have a fairly short fuse and always seem to fly off the handle at just about anything. I've had anger issues too, but I've at least learned to control myself. Plus you pretty much flat out threatened me that unless I test something you will remove any edit I make. If I've seen it for myself, and I know my stuff and put an edit up even though it is correct or only slightly wrong, you will remove that edit. You'll claim it was leaked information, which is completely different from undoing something based on lack of proof. That is a very serious problem Lancer. I'm sorry but some people are going to lose respect for you as an admin soon, and I'm not just referring to myself. Consider this constructive criticism of your personal self. I'm not downright slagging you off here, I'm giving you a little insight. Seriously. Given, spamming blog messages isnt the most constructive thing, but neither is threatening to undo edits for "leaked information" when I would be doing it within the boundaries of "leaked information policies". JouninOfDespair 22:52, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Please do not put comments in a section that has nothing to do with it. That entire comment was completely off base from the entire topic and was not relevant there.
 * The fact is that what you were planning to do was a very serious problem, one that was both dishonest, and hurtful to the wiki. You would put in notes that you have not tested and will not test. You would have put in notes based on your assumptions, and that is not right. It is expected that you test the things you are putting in notes to see if they work. Not just put in notes based on assumptions. All of the notes you were/still are making about classes that have not been released are based on leaked information, and that would not be tolerated, either before or after the fact. It is expected that you test the things, and you apparently think that is a completely unreasonable request. Lancer1289 (talk) 23:17, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * How dare you! You cannot judge me based on a few notes, and you certainly dont have any proof that I would not test something. HOW DARE YOU! You just think I cant change, and you just think I wouldnt test and prove that something is right and that DEEPLY offends and angers me! I can truly say I have no respect for you now whatsoever. You are a judgemental, obnoxious, unreasonable weak excuse for an admin, and all I can say is that I TRULY hope one day you take a severe look in the mirror and see what you have effectively become! ALMOST EVERY EDIT I MADE I MADE SURE IT WAS CORRECT and NOW you have the audacity and the nerve to say I based my notes on leaked information, which is NOT true, you have on your multiplayer customization page the powers of every power that even the classes that havent been released have got, that is NOT leaked information. You could say my information is ILLEGAL because its before the classes are released but it is NOT based on leaked information. I feel sorry for the poor people who've been unjustly accused, and probably punished because of you. You have absolutely NO idea at all. All the gear and no idea! You genuinely have angered me and that doesnt happen often but when I do, its like detonating an atom bomb! And to get my respect again will be nigh impossible. All the other admins I dont care, I havent really talked to them, I have no qualms with them, my beef is now with you, YOU have made this personal! JouninOfDespair 03:14, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have made this personal? Take a good, hard look because I am not the one yelling here about something that they were indeed planning and admitting that they were going to do. You were planning on putting notes for classes into articles that you never would have tested with that class can call them genuine.
 * If anyone needs to look in a mirror it is you. You are the one who made this personal a long time ago with your comments. You flat out admitted and I quote "I've been working on preparing the notes for the new classes, "I've just finished the "Asari Huntress Infiltrator" and I've also done the Drell Infiltrator and Quarian Soldier and I just need to do the Batarian Adept, Turian Engineer, and Volus Vanguard", and "I AM writing notes on the Asari Huntress, Drell Assassin and Quarian Soldier". You flat out admitted to using leaked information to create notes for classes, make assumptions for them and how they would play with those powers based on their power listing, again from leaked information, and then planned to put that into articles without even testing them. How is that honest? Answer me that? How is that honest?
 * You were going to put information that was not even tested into article based on assumptions and how they work with other classes. "I got this info on my own general assumptions" not from testing and authenticating. It does not matter how those powers worked with other classes, what matters is how they will work with that class. You were activelly making notes for classes that were not released based on assumptions and a simple list.
 * You already lost my respect when you admitted that you were working on notes for unreleased characters, from leaked information, then planned to put those notes into articles and then say that "I tested all of this information so you can take it as you will". You have the audacity to say that is honest and proper is really just infuriating. That is blatantly dishonest because you are admitting that you are basing them off of how they have worked with other classes, and not how they have worked with that class.
 * And FYI, the expectation that all editors putting in player notes that they have tested was the standard from the beginning. I have actually not unjustly accused, or punished anyone. You are saying that because this has become personal for you. You are the one who is basically chewing me out for stopping you from putting information in that you have not tested and admitted that you have not tested.
 * And the fact that I made this personal is really quite laughable with what you just put on your user page. The facts are plain as day, but you cannot see them. This is your personal affair because you were going to cause problems with edits based on assumptions, speculation, and that were not tested. If someone put something in an article that they had not tested, and it got you killed, would you not say something? Would you not be angry? That is exactly what you were going to do. Just look at what you said again and tell me that is not what you were planning on doing. Putting notes into an article based on assumptions, not actual testing. Lancer1289 (talk) 03:33, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * All I have to say to you is you have it completely wrong and I would test something before it was done, after all, I need proof it actually works. And you are not a real admin. You are scum. And always will be. You are nothing but a judgemental, obnoxious, and completely ignorant waste of good genes. I thought I got away from all this aggravation when I left the CoD wikia, apparantely not. Its now taken the form of you. Oh and heres another thing, unlike you, I've been making huge edits on those class pages legitimately, while you just sit back on your high horse doing little or nothing to help those pages, even after classes have been out for 3-6 months. 33k edits? So what. Most of it is undoing stuff, or small bits of information that arent even useful. And the fact you want to do a complete and utter smear job on me before I did to you. Thats the icing on the cake. After this, you can stay away from my page. Because I dont want people like you on it. And likewise, I'm going to avoid this page like the plague, because I want to work with people who are genuine, who are reasonable, and arent complete morons, because when that person accuses me of doing something wrong when I am really not, or even worse still, accuses me of planning on putting a huge stack of notes up untested, then that person has made it abundantly clear they are not a real editor. JouninOfDespair 10:22, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Project Collective head position appointing
Lancer, I know you're probably still mad at me about me lying to your face, but hear me out; Project Collective's head, Mr. mittens, has been MIA for quite some time now, and Collective needs a new leader. so I suggest allowing myself to take the position. I'm a good leader, and I can get people to do things. Of course, I'll return the position to Mr. mittens, if he returns. I hope you consider this both a suggestion and an apology for my behavior a few months ago. I am truly, truly, truly sorry for lying to you. And again, please consider this both a suggestion and an apology--TW6464 (talk) 18:10, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * No. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:37, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * oh...... Ok......--TW6464 (talk) 19:41, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #3
As an entirely outside advisor, may I ask both why not and what was the lie? 109.144.161.53 20:55, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * He basically committed himself to a massive wiki-wide project, then backed out saying he didn't have the time to commit to it citing school commitments. He then, in the three days since he pulled out until I called him out, continues to spam the blogs making 26 edits on one day, then over 40 on the other two, the vast majority on the blogs. Now I said to myself, if you have the time to continue reading blog comments, make over 40 blog posts per day, then you most certainly do have the time to commit to this project. So I call him out on it, then he admits flat out that he lied.
 * I then look at his edit count as of today, which is 1701, of that 1,363 are blog comments. That is more blog comments in 3 odd months than I have in almost 3 years. It was clear where his priorities are. He just wants to socialize, not contribute to the site apart from socializing. For reference, he has just 93 mainspace edits, and all of them are small, correction type edits, or have been undone entirely. I am still livid at him because of this. Lancer1289 (talk) 22:13, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Question.
So... why'd you withdraw? I mean, I know it was very annoying to deal with, and that we were in the minority, but is has only been a day. If it is something personal or whatever, feel free not to answer.--Legionwrex (talk) 17:52, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * It was a combination of things. I won't go into it but it was causing problem after problem and it was just better to do it this way. Lancer1289 (talk) 17:56, November 27, 2012 (UTC)