Talk:Romance

ME3 - Love Interest dying
I was wondering. If your love interest dies can you replace them. For example if you have a relationship with Tali in the the third game (having "locked in" on her) but she dies on Rannoch, can you romance someone else after that? --JordanaBrewsterFAN 09:58, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Affecting the Save
From the article:

"Whether by design or by mistake, if Shepard has one person 'locked in' and are at the 'challenge' stage with any of the other possible subjects prior to entering the Omega 4 Relay, Shepard has the option of dumping the 'locked in' subject after completing the finale, provided that Shepard survives. Doing so will allow Shepard to court one of the other subjects and the intimate scene normally seen before proceeding through the Omega 4 Relay will instead play as soon as the dialogue ends. It is thus possible to experience all three partners and their respective scenes this way. However, once a partner is 'dumped', they cannot be courted again. It is currently unknown how this will affect your save game and therefore affect the events of Mass Effect 3."

This was written before Mass Effect 3 came out, and the game has been out for a year now. I would definitively like to know what the answer is. How does this trick affect your ME3 save? Can my Shepard have sex with, say, Miranda, dump her, and then have my Ashley romance from ME1 continue unaffected in ME3? 71.195.87.84 18:33, July 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Dunno but now I'm curious- it can perhaps be your unique contribution to the wiki to find out for us! :-) Cattlesquat (talk) 18:47, July 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * I didn't notice any effect - but then after sleeping with Tali, then Jack, then dumping Jack and picking Liara again in LotSB Liara became my imported romance in ME3. However I didnt get any negative consequences from dumping Jack, despite her only conversation options in ME2 being a definitive "FUCK OFF!". However if someone wants to investigate without romancing Liara in LotSB it might provide more conclusive results. Garhdo (talk) 19:25, July 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * I did as Cattlesquat said and tried it. I romanced Ashley in ME1 and Jack in ME2, but broke it off with her after the suicide mission. I am currently playing ME3, and my actions do indeed seem to have affected my save, but I seem to have been able to rekindle the romance with Ashley. When I went to see her at the hospital after she first woke up, she mentioned the fling with Jack and asked if our relationship could pick up where it left off, to which I replied that I like to continue it. Jack also mentioned our encounter at the Grissom Academy. Therefore, it seems that romancing someone else in ME2 and then breaking it off afterward does indeed affect at least the dialogue with your ME1 romance in ME3, but the relationship seems salvageable. 71.61.96.27 01:05, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Citadel hook-ups
Should James and Javik be included here? I'd argue that they're on a par with Samara/Morinth in ME2. (For that matter, a relationship with Samara can be further pursued in Citadel.) Epenthesis (talk) 17:46, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * My opinion: yes. Cattlesquat (talk) 18:14, September 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * They're mentioned in the Citadel section; that's inclusion enough for me. Elseweyr (talk) 18:18, September 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * To clarify, by "included here" I meant given the same prominence as the games' other romances. Even those that don't grant the Paramour achievement have portraits.Epenthesis (talk) 19:07, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Added this section and made some other small changes. I added Thane as well given his additional romantic content, though it kind of makes me wonder why he's not included as a love interest for the game proper--he doesn't grant the Paramour achievement, but neither does Diana Allers and she's up there. Comments? Epenthesis (talk) 04:58, September 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Two words: not ok . All the romance stuff is isolated within the DLC with no effect whatsoever on the rest of the game and it should be confined to a separate section as it was. In any event, this would be a fairly substantial change to an article that you can't just slap in there without discussion. Elseweyr (talk) 07:09, September 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * I apologize if I didn't wait as long as I should, but you didn't indicate that you felt at all strongly about this, and the only other comment was in favor. No, this content isn't in the main game, but other DLC-only content throughout the series is closely integrated into main pages (eg, missions, temporary squadmates). Why should romance be treated differently? Epenthesis (talk) 13:27, September 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Lack of strong emotional charge &ne; agreement. I'd be ok with different formatting (pics are always nice) as long as all the Citadel stuff is under its own heading, because
 * (1) the TOC should indicate what's DLC and what's not (otherwise LotSB should be integrated into the ME2 section as well (plz dont do it :c )), and
 * (2) in my books, being able to perform a one-night stand or pursue an old/current relationship strictly within the frames of DLC is not on par with a 'vanilla' romance. Because of their different nature and how only one of them influences the other, I wouldn't deem it agreeable to cluster the DLC options with those of the main game.
 * But that's just my opinion and I might have lost 1-3 already. Elseweyr (talk) 15:32, September 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't object to putting the pics further down under the Citadel section, which would make it clearer that the discussion of romance mechanics etc. doesn't apply. I do think that the three Citadel-exclusive romances should get the prominence of pictures, which even the minor romances from 2 and 3 have.


 * Part of me thinks Liara should indeed have a picture for LotSB, but given that she recurs as a full-fledged love interest in 3, I don't feel too strongly about it. Besides, it would probably raise questions about why Kaidan and Ashley aren't up there for their one scene and email, and I don't want to open that can of worms. Epenthesis (talk) 15:52, September 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * (Edit conflict) From my point of view the main thing is to get them in here, w/ portraits. When they were briefly there "but all in the ME3 section" it was fine with me. Mind you if the version I'd seen had had the portraits down in the ME3 Citadel section that might also have turned out to look fine. It's a little harder for me to picture the formatting, i.e ME3 Citadel is a === heading instead of a == heading, but it might be okay. So I'm vaguely leaning toward "how Epenthesis did it" and certainly view it as at least acceptable, mostly I'd like to get the portraits in, and if somebody who wanted to push an alternate view on their placement (ahem) made a mockup of how it would look in the ME3 Citadel section instead I'd be fine giving a "vote which of these two ways to do it" opinion. Also re Epenthesis' latest post, I'd be fine with a (smaller, perhaps?) portrait of Liara or some other visual treatment associated with LotSB, but I'd say let's get the Citadel peeps figured out first and if that points us in a direction on Shadow Broker.  Cattlesquat (talk) 16:04, September 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * i can swing either way. my only immediate concern is properly-formatted content additions. purged the citadel tables for now pending whatever you people finally decide, but thane stays as he's obviously an oversight from the vanilla game. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 09:09, September 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for making that change--I considered it, but thought it would be more controversial than the Citadel additions, so decided to wait for another time. Epenthesis (talk) 13:31, September 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * I for one liked the portraits where they got put, with the "upon installation of DLC" disclaimer they had. And then the actual relationships were described down below in the DLC subsection. Grouping all the portraits together seems good - here's all the folks you can romance - and the ones at the bottom were clearly declared added-with-DLC. Cattlesquat (talk) 13:17, September 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * If I am visualising what Cattlesquat is describing correctly then that seems like the best way to do it - all portraits together, disclaimer that they are DLC and do not award Paramour, and full descriptions in a separate heading with other Citadel content. Garhdo (talk) 16:44, September 19, 2013 (UTC)