Yes, Shepard should live simply to finish his/her story/complete the saga. Because, part of the issues with the ending of ME3, it doesn’t really end Shepard’s story, it simply ends his/her life.
Ending: Red (Destroyed) is the easily ending: Reapers are all destroyed, Shepard survive, it reveals unlike previous thoughts EDI and the Geth survived. This would technically be a retcon but since we don’t actually see EDI or the Geth destroyed it’s easy to change.
Green (Synthesis) Shepard is brought back, again (just like at the start of ME2) but the Synthesis didn’t hold, the organic and synthetic’s bodies eventually rejected the change in their DNA result in them returning to normal. However, Reapers are still destroyed.
Blue (Control) Shepard is brought back, again here too, but he under able to main control of the Reapers. What Shepard learned while in control was that the other Reapers, beside Harbinger, was an actual slave to Harbinger, and now they’re free. Before returning to his physical form, Shepard offers them freedom with the promise they never return to the Milky Way Galaxy. They set off to explore the galaxy, and while looking to help the organic species of another galaxy.
Finally (Refuse) if the player had refused, then Shepard awake realizing that he was having a nightmare about the battle, then the story can process however necessary.
I agreed Leviathan would move again, it basically what I had in mind when I said the Leviathan are moving now/again.
I forgot about the Yahg, that could be a good storyline.
I agreed with the Salarian Union cracking, but I don’t think it would be a 50/50 split. At best I think it would be an 80/20 split. 80% in favor of the Linron, 20% fighting against her.
I actually think the new human Council, should be Charles Saracino, from the first game. I also think would it be impossible for the Council to remains neutrals. I agreed regarding the negotiations of whether to expand the Council. I think that some of the Asari/Prothean connecting would have already been known, it just how far does it extend? For example, did the Prothean modified the Asari to become the species they are known as today? i.e. female-only. I go with the storyline that the Imperial Prothean had planned for the Asari to be ‘comfort woman’ to the large number of Protheans in the military.
I do think the humans and turians would be strong allies by now. I also agreed with you on the Tuckanka situation. But given how the game playout I don’t think the Rachni would take control of Tuchanka, but they could be looking for a homeworld of their own, because even if you didn’t cure the genophage it will take years for the Krogan peoples to go extinct.
I think you’re missing a key understand of Cerberus, which is a three heads dog, what is the Illusive Man was only one head of the dog and now the second head has become active?
No worries. Here is where I disagreed with most fans. I don't think the galactic mass extinction is a hard act to follow. You don't even need to scale down the galactic-part. Here is how I continue Shepard storyline in my fanfiction (sorry if I told you this before):
It put Shepard and his allies against the Council, so basically it's the Rebellion vs the Empire. With Shepard being the Rebels and the Council filling in for the Empire. The main conflict center around the influence/authority Shepard now possessed from defeating the Reapers. The Council fearsome of Shepard, and the first game end with the Council declared Shepard to be a Rogue Shepard, drawing parallels between Shepard and Saren. Either way there're two options for the Shepard: fight the council or surrender. Also, several types of governments that Shepard can favor: a democracy/republic, a monarchy, or a dictatorship. With the Monarchy or dictatorship being with Shepard in charge.
Some hard decisions for the player are the following:
To kill Jacob (or James if Jacob didn't survive ME2 or ME3). FemShep would be given a special scene where if you romance Jacob in two, you can shoot him in his balls before killing him.
While on a mission, Shepard must decide to save between several groups: the first group is innocent civilians on a planet from a species that dislike Shepard (for example the Salarian), the second group is a group civilian on a ship from a species that like Shepard (for example the Quarian), who are infected by a biological weapons that Shepard is searching for a cure for. There is only a 50/50% chance that saving the inflected will result in finding a cure, and all of the infected will die regardless of what Shepard does. Worst is the fallout from the mission, not saving the innocent civilians damage Shepard's reputation and his ability to find allies. Not saving the infected civilians damage Shepard's relationship with that species and could cause them to leave Shepard's factions.
At the end of the third game, a possible outcome for the player final decision is selecting the species that will escape the galaxy, as the Milky Way Galaxy is destroyed. Setting up for Andromeda.
There will also be the second genophage, by the time the player reaches the facility where the second genophage is nearing completing, it's already too late. Shepard must decide, option 1: selecting a species to infected with the second genophage, knowing this will be seen as using biological warfare. option 2: if you don't select a species, almost everyone and every species in the galaxy is inflected by the second genophage minus the player a number of the player allies, who was protected by Mordin's research from the second/third game.
Another mission would involve Shepard launch an attack on various locations: Earth, Arcturus Station, and the Citadel.
It not all about the conflict: Male Shepard is informed by the female romance option that she is pregnant and you're going to be a daddy.
Female Shepard has the option of adoption War orphan.
Some other storyline would be:
The Culture of Shepard/Lord Shepard
The Aftermath of the Reapers included their technology and the fear that some Reapers survived
The Leviathans are moving now
The Cerberus Movement - widespread anti-alien sentiment amongst humanity
The Human Solution - widespread anti-human sentiment amongst the other races
The Collapse of the Asari Republics
The Krogan Civil War or the Second Krogan Rebellions - Shepard must either put down the Krogans who want revenge against the Salarians or support the Krogans against the Salarians.
Opposing the Krogan - mean losing them as allies in the coming war with the Council
Supporting the Krogan - mean the Salarian Union, declared war on Shepard (and not the Alliance).
Eventually, Shepard discovered a superweapon (who created it's depending on the player choices) but it based on the studies from the Reapers, following their defeat. The player options are the following:
1) Fire the weapons, crippled the Council - winning the war for Shepard by destroying several planets
2) If the weapon is ready to fire, Shepard can overload the weapon causing it to be destroyed but this results in the destruction of the milky way galaxy, forcing the player to fleed to another galaxy. If Shepard doesn't overload the weapon, the player watches as several planets are destroyed and the pulse from the weapon, leave to a gravity shift in the galaxy causing mass chaos and fleeing to another galaxy. If the weapon is overload, you have less time before the galaxy is destroyed but more follows up options. Whereas if Shepard doesn't overload the weapons, you have more time but fewer options.
3) Capturing or destroying the weapons before it ready to fire but costing Shepard any chance of winning the war with the Council. Several allies included Aria could abandon Shepard at this time, seeing him as a sinking ship. However, depending on choices the player had made: the two outcomes are defeat and exile or a peace treaty - result in the galaxy being divided into two halves, Shepard's Kingdom and Council Space setting up a cold-war between the two powers.
Then you have the Batarian-storyline, the Batarian weaken by the Reaper War and near extinction are now fight a species they had enslaved for hundreds of years. Shepard must decide to get involve and if Shepard does then the player can save both species or just one, depending on who think can best supporting them in the coming conflict or for other reason.
Finally the Geth-storyline, depending on the player decisions in the previous game: the Geth are either fear or neutral. However, the Council can refuse to recognize in the Geth as a species, resulting in the Second Morning War, pitting Quarian/Geth against the Council Species. This is also dividing by fear of the Geth, giving their relationships with the Reaper.
I'm also thinking of the Rachni, new species, all surviving characters from the previous games - included a new body for Legion, that is optional. Javik finding more of his peoples, resulting in a shift for him, and a possible ally for Shepard.
The rise of the Clone of Shepard, who now had his/her own squad.
What do you think of that? I have more but this post is long enough already.
I agreed. It seems Andromeda was release simply because of the Mass Effect name. I also had said this to other, I personally feel like Bioware would have made a better game if, Andromeda was its own standalone series. The first of a new franchise.
I had read articles where former Bioware peoples argued that Andromeda was sacrificed in order to make room for Anthem. Even the plot of the games are similar.
I'm not sure about Anthem. It look better than Mass Effect: Andromeda but it probably not going to have much of a story and will not have romances.
I actually agreed about leaving some characters behind (Mordin). Even those I like him, it never makes much sense to me to take him on the majority of the missions.
Never, really have an issue with Brynn, minus the fact she seems more in love with Shepard than with Jacob. Would have been a nice option to give femShep the chance to romance Brynn, as payback for the player.
Liam is simply annoying in my opinion, in a way that neither James, Jacob, or Kaidan ever was. I always either found myself, wanting to punch him or tell him to shut up. I actually only ever used his on two missions (the first mission and his loyalty mission) those some of his banters I had seen on youtube videos is really funny.
Why're you not a fan of the womenfolks?
Me too, I know there was be some area we agreed on. It seems that what you said before is correct, it comes down to how we played the games. I played as Male Shepard, Soldier whereas you played as Female Shepard, Infiltrator. I'm curious as to what backstory did you pick?
I choose Spacer, War Hero - even those I had played as other, that's the one I prefer for my Shepard.
Wow, interesting list. I respect your opinions regarding the difference between our lists. I find your view on Tali, the most interesting since she is universally loved by everyone and it normally in the top 3 of squadmates.
It sad that Liam and Jacob, unliked Kaidan and James, are universally ranked at the bottom. Not counting Morinth, they're a huge amount of disagreement on the squadmates at the bottom other than those two. I think for Jacob is it because he's a cheater (regardless of what FemShep does) but for Liam, I would be curious if he would improve with a second game? Same of Cora because it is hard for the Andromeda squadmates compared to those with have two or three games of materials.
I also noticed a level of gender difference, 3 of the 4 at the bottom of my list are males, while the females rank higher. Whereas 6 of 9 on your 'indifferent' list are females. Two of the bottom males characters for me, are romance options for FemShep and are rank high (James and Kaidan) on your list.
There are however areas of agreement: Wrex, Garrus, and Grunt for example. But also on individual character, i..e Kasumi need for scene time and would have like to meet Ashley's sister.
So yes, the Collectors are taking a big risk by attacking the Normandy, randomly without knowing for sure if Shepard is aboard.
Now back to the Joker's conversion. It got me thinking I'm curious as to how you rank the squadmates from the first three games: Here is my 'grouping.'
Group A (The one I really like):
1: Garrus: My boy, favorite squadmate, favorite character, and favorite Turian. The only real issue I have with Garrus, is that your conversion with him, in the first game, doesn’t really matter i.e. even if you convinced him to go back to C-Sec, but he still ended up on Omega, regardless.
2: Tali: My favorite female character and squadmate, those not romance options. She is my little sister and I had seen her growth up so much over the three games.
3: Wrex: My favorite Krogan. I really wish Wrex had been a squadmate throughout all three games.
4: Legion: My favorite Geth. I hated there wasn’t an option to saved him during the third game.
5: Jack: Miranda and Jack are my favorite two romances options. I loved both characters and it is really hard for me to rank one above the other. However, it come down to that I think Jack get more development in ME3 than Miranda does. But I like each equally.
6: Miranda: The one thing I would had like from Miranda, is more a conversion with her sister and what her sister think about their father.
7: Ashley – My first romance, but suffered from not being present in ME2, other than one scene, and missed half of ME3. I also would have like much time getting to know her sisters.
8: Samara – My favorite Asari, I like her so much because of the storyline with her daughter(s). The voice actress also makes this character one of my favorite as I can hear her pain in her voice when talking about her daughter, Morinth.
9: Javik – Despite being in only one game. Javik is one of my favorite character. He is hurt primary that I like other characters better.
10: Grunt – Grunt is my second favorite Krogan, and his scenes in ME3 on the citadel are great but his lack of scenes in ME3 overall dropped him down the list.
11: Zaeed – I like Zaeed, but similar to Kasumi, he suffered from beign a DLC-character, with limit scenes (those more than Kasumi). I absolutely love his and Garrus conversion in ME3 at the party.
12: Mordin – Mordin, would be higher for most peoples, but personally opinion is that Mordin’s change in opinion during the third game felt force/plot necessary and it just unmind the character from ME2.
13: EDI – I like EDI, when she is just a voice in ME2 and absolutely like that Bioware gave her a body in ME3. However, she is hurt by being a squadmate only in the third game and her option relationship with Joker make me want to vomit.
14: Cora – I really like Cora. She is my romance option for Andromeda, but like Drack is hurt by the fact she is only in one game.
15: Drack – I like Drack, he has some very funny lines and is a cool Krogan, but he is at the bottom simply because he in some way remain me of Wrex, plus he is limited to just the one game.
Group B (The one I like/feel neutral toward)
16: Liara – Liara is here because while I like the character overall, there’re two major things I don’t like: the seemly forced romance that either Shepard can have with her and the changed in her personality between ME1 and ME2. I much prefer ME1’s version of Liara.
17: Thane – Overall, I like Thane and find him interesting. However, his disease and just other better characters mean I don’t really use him that much in ME2.
18: Kasumi – Kasumi, suffered from being a DLC-character and that they just don’t do a lot with her/give her enough to do.
19: Aria – Queen of Omega, is one of my favorite non-squadmate characters, but her time as a squadmate is only in the Omega-DLC and there’s just not enough there for the player to have a opinion of her anymore than they did from the previously encountered.
20: Peebee – I really like Peebee, she remained me of Liara from the first game, but just don’t know enough about her to rank her higher.
21: Jaal – I like Jaal overall, but as the game progress I dislike him more and more, especially after discovering his species was creating.
22: Nyreen – I’m neutral on Nyreen, because like Vetra, I don’t know that much about her and she isn’t really there much in the DLC
23: Vetra – I’m neutral on Vetra, just because I don’t know that much about her/have that many inactions with her.
Group C (The one I dislike/can't stand)
24: Morinth - Morinth isn't a good squadmate since if you sleep with her you die. Overall, I have some sympathy for the character, just wish they had done more to let you help/aide her with her sickness.
25: Kaidan - I think Kaidan (like Ashley) suffered from only being developed through romance, but since I don't romance guys, I never saw any character development before leaving him behind to die. I would point out that even without the romance, I think it makes more sense to leave him behind than Ashley.
26: James - borning meathead better than Liam those. James, minus ME: PL would be higher than Kaidan.
27: Liam - just borning
28: Jacob - worst squadmate ever.
As for your order, Cyrene, Freedom's Progress, Fehl Prime, Ferries Fields, New Canton, and Horizon. That order could work, again, 8/9/10/11 order is unknown/best guess. Cyrene is said to be 7th, we know the same cruiser that attacked Freedom's Progress also attacked Horizon. Horizon is the last known colonies to be attack. Because we only know of 12 colonies the Collectors attack. There is no mentioned of anymore attack after Horizon, where we see the Collector retreating because of Shepard.
You must understand. I'm saying, if Shepard was off-ship when the Collector took the Normandy during in ME2, then it was a possible that Shepard could had been off ship, when the Normandy, SV-1 was destroyed. Shepard leave the Normandy quite a bit for a commanding officer.
During ME2, the Collector captured the Normandy, and you have to play as Joker to save the ship, by freeing EDI. So yes, Shepard could be off-ship. Now, I’m not saying, that Shepard wasn’t be leading the mission/search, but he could be on a planet, or on a mission or on a space station. When the Collector attack the Normandy.
Joker drives me insane. The idea that it is in the future and with this wonderfully advance technologies, but he still has a disease that may his bones weak. Next, he’s somehow in the military and gets away with humor that would be totally against the policies. In ME3, Joker conversion with Liara and EDI can be seen as gender harassment.
Freedom’s Progress and Shepard coming back from the dead could be happening at the same time, but giving the colony is attack several hours before Shepard arrives, and he goes straight there after waking up. My assuming is that the attack happens before (maybe just by a few minutes or an hour).
Ferris Fields/New Canton – Not sure. You could be right, but just because they’re talking about it doesn’t when it happened.
It is a possibility that Fehl Prime happened before Freedom’s Progress, and I think that where I originally had put it. But honestly, I think it works better moving it to later attacks because if the Collectors are using both Cruisers, the second Collector Cruiser is destroyed at the end of the movie. Meaning the surviving Cruiser must attack four colonies by itself (Freedom’s Progress, Ferris Fields, New Canton, and Horizon). We know it is the same Cruiser who attacked Freedom’s Progress, also attacked Horizon. So that makes Horizon, the last colony to be attacked by the Collector, and Cyrene the seventh human colonies to be attacked. Giving we heard about two more attacks (Ferris Fields and New Canton) that support the idea that there’re two Cruisers. We know that Cyrene (7th), Freedom’s Progress, and Horizon (12th) are in the correct order so that only leave 8, 9, 10, and 11 to figure out, with one of them being Freedom’s Progress.
So, Shepard can get to the Citadel fairly early in ME2, there’s no mentioned of Fehl Prime or the attack on Fehl Prime, again leaving me to conclude that it can only be located in spot 11, pushing the other two colonies (Ferris Fields and New Canton into 9 and 10, and Freedom’s Progress, which we know happened before Ferris Fields and New Canton into 8). We literally never heard anything about the Fehl Prime, the Second Collector Cruiser, and if you place it before Freedom’s Progress, at the same time, or shortly thereafter, it means that the other three Colonies fell in a matter of hours or even seconds, but somehow Vega, with no intel on the Collector managed to defeat them in a day or two. If I remember correct, it seems that attack on Fehl Prime took some time (at least two days), whereas all of the other colonies only a few hours.
I completely disagreed that the news of Fehl Prime would have been pushed aside for more recent disappearance. As unlike other Colonies, they were survivors, and more importantly, they won, plus found a countermeasure to the Collector swarm.
If the Collectors are sent after Shepard after the destruction of Sovereign, their plan is too randomly attack ships in a sector of space, and hope the Council response by sending a Spectre? And hopefully the right Spectre aka Shepard? That doesn’t make any sense. What is their plan, to wait randomly in one system and hope they catch the Normandy by surprise?
Now the idea, that the Geth would get the blame, seems like a possibility, and given the timeframe, shortly thereafter Sovereign attack I can accept that oo, but I can also see the Council blaming pirates and other groups using the weaken Council/Citadel Fleet to their advantage. If the Council did send Shepard, after the Geth, then why not send more than one ship? The Sovereign’s attack literally can result in the councils near death or actual death and their response is to send a single ship? I understand the Fleet took heavy losses during the battle, but they couldn’t spare an extra ship or two?
Also, even attacking and destroying the Normandy, may not necessarily result in the death or capture of Shepard. He could survive or be off the ship when the Collector attack. In-game, during the opening of ME2, Shepard only die because he/her is saying Joker stupid ass. (Note: I hated Joker more than any other Mass Effect squadmates or major characters. I killed him in the backstory of my fanfiction, the very first chance I got.)
Now, the Collectors existing led to some continuity problems with the first game. If the Collectors existed, then why did Sovereign not used the Collectors instead of the Geth? How can Harbinger, who is in dark space at the time of the Attack on the Citadel, even know about Shepard, being the one who leads the efforts against Sovereign? Did Harbinger let Sovereign die, because he didn’t want the Collectors to get involve or because Sovereign thought he could handle it without their support?
Also, according to one of the comic, Harbinger doesn’t get involved until one month after the destruction of the Normandy. Meaning what or who caused the Collectors to attack Shepard?
After doing some research, I agreed on that Shepard is probably awoke nearly the ending of the events of ME: PL, however, one of the comics have Vega watching a new report on Shepard actions during ‘Arrival.’ This is canon, that ME: PL ending can’t be too far ahead of ‘Arrival.’
Now, at least 12 human colonies are known to have been attacked by the Collectors. The first six colonies were attacked in the time between Commander Shepard's death in 2183 and revival in 2185. The latter six colonies, including Cyrene, Fehl Prime, Ferris Fields, Freedom's Progress, Horizon, and New Canton, are attacked over the course of Shepard's subsequent investigation of the Collectors.
So, here is the best order I can put everything in, with all available data:
1: ME2 begins – the destruction of the Normandy.
2: ME: PL – attack on Fehl Prime, First Attack
3: The first six colonies are attacked by the Collectors (2183-2185) (One Collector ships all six colonies, Two Collector ships three colonies, each)
4: Cyrene – Mentioned as being the Seventh Human Colonies attacked.
5: Freedom’s Progress disappeared several hours before Shepard awake. I placed Freedom’s Progress here based on the assumption, that the Collectors are using both of their Cruisers. So, Cruiser A, attack one colony, while Cruiser B, attack a different colony.
6: Shepard is brought back from the dead.
7 (9): Ferris Fields and New Canton – there is no way other than just to guess on which one the Collector attack first. May have attacked both Colonies with the same Cruiser, are at the same time, with two Cruisers.
8 (7): Fehl Prime, Second Attack – since we see a Second Cruiser, which is destroyed later in the film and never mentioned within ME2, it means Shepard doesn’t know about it, and he doesn’t know about this attack either and no news of the attack had reached the Citadel/Omega.
9 (8): James meets with Hackett and Anderson aboard the Citadel, now aware of the attack on Felh Prime but not yet aware of Shepard, meaning that at the early Fehl Prime is attack, somewhere after Shepard is brought back, but before either Ferris Fields or New Canton, and then the first Collector Cruiser, attack both colonies.
I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to keep the conversation going on too much.
I think, it is because Bioware spend more time development the non-human alien’s characters, but they have too. Alien’s characters had to be built from the ground up (just looks at the faces of the humans in Andromeda vs the non-humans) whereas humans characters can be put together fairly quick. Plus, the first game, you spend much more time talking to the 4 non-human squad mates, to learned about their individual species, but you don’t need that conversion with Ashley or Kaidan.
I agreed somewhat, but the bigger nations in the world: United States, Russia, China, India, etc. tend to be their own thing, even when working with the smaller nations. I personal prefer the idea that the Alliance was founded by 18 of the nations with space agency that wasn’t the most powerfully. To me this make much more sense, it the smaller nations working together to equal the bigger one. The First Contact War simply brought all of the nations of the Earth into the fold, just like how the U.S. wasn’t part of the League of Nations but is a foundering member of the United Nations.
According to the official timeline, this one of this wiki, one month after the Battle of the Citadel, the SSV Normandy is attacked and destroyed by an unidentified assailant, resulting in the death of Commander Shepard. Later, the Systems Alliance officially declares Shepard "killed in action.” At this time the Normandy is supposed to be looking into the Geth, and three ships that been missing, but it isn’t clear as is this is supposed to be Geth, Collector, or some other group. My personal view, it’s some other group, pirates maybe, and the Collector just use this as a chance to attack the Normandy.
Sometime later, the events of Mass Effect: Paragon Lost begin. The Systems Alliance dispatches several special forces units to aid the colony of Fehl Prime, which is under attack by Blood Pack forces. Most units are shot down before landing, but Delta Squad survives and defeats the Blood Pack. The Alliance assigns Delta Squad to guard the colony. However, this mean the attack on Fehl Prime isn’t connecting to the Collector (as this isn’t support in the dialogue of the movie, in my opinion.) Then as some point, ME: PL continue, with Shepard awake up during the movie, and the final scene where James is speaking with Hackett, have to happening after Shepard is known to be alive. My assuming is that the meeting with Hackett take place after the Suicide mission, giving that the intel for during with the Collector is no longer need.
Oh, I’m sorry…I didn’t realize you have such strong negative opinion of Cora. I like quite like Cora.
Here are the options:
Scott – Cora Harper, Avela Kjar (angaran historian), Gil Brodie
Sara - Liam Kosta, Suvi Anwar
Both – Pelessaria B'Sayle, Jaal Ama Darav, Vetra Nyx, Reyes Vidal, Keri T'Vessa (Asari Reporter)
I agreed many would be put on alert. No worries, about not having a ‘strong opinion.’ All I’m saying is that I disagreed with the backstory of the Alliance. I don’t see it development how the codex explained. It is to ‘perfect’ almost like someone had went back and rewrote it, to make it seem like it was a general acceptable idea. Where I disagreed with you, either those they would be a ‘us versus them’ mindset, peoples don’t tend to come together until the shit hit the fan. Now, if the First Contact War was the reason the Alliance would create, I could buy that, because then you have a real danger.
I almost make that mistake too but read online so I was able to change out equipment before the mission. However, later I realized I never upgrade Kaidan’s equipment because I never use him. This is personal opinion, I find him one of the worst squad mates in the games. Right at the bottle of the list with Jacob, James, and Liam – but I also think Bioware isn’t really good at writing human squad mates.
I do thinks that ME2 and ME:PL have some timeline issues/canon issues, like if you noticed the Citadel is in orbit over a planet. So, I tend to side with ME2. Remember, the one thing about the wiki, it had been written to make everything fixed together as possible. We’re not even really sure on how soon the Collectors starts attacking human worlds after the destruction of the Normandy. Because according to the wiki, it was two years, but why would they wait two years? And I not been able to find anything that is based on other than just the time jump in ME2:
During the attack, James is not in contact with anyone off-planet thanks to the Collector's jamming fields. Captain Toni is on forced leave due to injuries initially and later due to being captured, so James is acting CO (best I recall) of a unit that is said to be green in the first battle. (Plus the developers seem to be unfamiliar with a lot of military details.) The deaths of his squad are not James's fault. They are variously Killed in Action.
It is completely James’s fault, he got his squad nearly whipped out.
Again, I’m feel like I’m repeating myself. It not a choice of saying peoples now vs saying peoples later, because they people later are not at risk, yet. You’re making it seem that James knew they was going to be more collector attacks. But that is impossible. Hell, the Krogan attack the planet, and nothing more is heard from them for over two years.
They character, had almost no depth in my opinion. It was written, to be the opposite of Shepard, but the reality is, in my humble opinion, it is a meathead, who make a poor choice.
I would have like the character better, if depending on Shepard’s actions, he admits to that or not.
I had never understood the Colonists resentment toward the Alliance on Horizon, seem like drama trump plot or reason there.
Alright, let not debate this anymore. I don’t want to chase everyone else away…I had been known to do that before. I apologize to anyone to make had left because of my comments.
My view is that Anderson is telling Shepard he doesn’t answer to him i.e. Anderson anymore. Whereas Hackett still can order Shepard around, partly because Anderson gave up his ship. My understands is that Spectre are supposed to work alone and only for the Council and handle situations for the greater good of the galaxy. I agreed, but it would have been nice seeing the Council sent you on another mission.
That’s because when went ‘rogue’ to fight the Collectors, and I thought the council possibly could reinstates Shepard’s Spectre authority, because he still technically a Spectre.
I agreed, I think it was annoying that Bioware only changed Kaidan, but I also think it makes sense if you look at the politics/pc culture of Bioware.
I always thought Cora, would be the best option for Sara (even those in-game her dialogue said she isn’t into women – they could retcon that.) If not Cora, the Angara lady would make sense, then they make Jaal, the Angala male bi.
I forgot about Traynor, being on Horizon.
Here, is where I disagreed with the backstory for the Alliance. Someone would immediately ratify the charter, but not all of the nations of the Earth would. Primary the most powerful nations would resist since it weakens their power. Also, you would hear the argument, “oh because we discovered non-human ruined, doesn’t mean we will encounter them again.” While I think there would be an Alliance Military, I don’t think it would be built up to be such a force, so quickly. We’re literally talking about 9 years from discovering the ruins on Mars. It would take times to get the infrastructure into place, to construction and support a sizable military. Like how they’re just a few Starfleet vessels at the time of Enterprise, but Earth is still in the process of building up its infrastructure capability. I do think the Alliance would catch up quickly, probably faster than the Council species would think, but I also think, just nine years after discovering the Mass Relay, that the Alliance isn’t ready for a prolonged war. They can win a major battle, but not a multiple theaters conflict.
Correct, there is a lot of way of making the Virmire choice, but one of them can be based totally on the feeling you have for the characters. The first time I played Mass Effect, I left Kaidan behind because he was fucking boring in my opinion, and I wasn’t even romancing Ashley. I was romancing Liara.
No, it isn’t a choice between “saving people now,” or “saving people later,” because, at the time, no other colonies are being attacked by the Collectors (that we know of since they only have two ships). Also, if Shepard is back and already taking care of the Collectors by the end of the movie, that would suggest that the event on the planet happening roughly at the same time, as Mass Effect 2.
The choice comes down to the unknown factors/what you think/guess could happen vs what you know will happen.
If James doesn’t save the Colonists, they all die. There’s no other time to do anything about that.
If James saved the Colonists, everything after that including other possible Collectors attacks, are unknown/in the future. There's time to prepare, i.e. increase defenses, preparing the civilians populations, gather a Navy task force of warships. Even, without the intelligent.
The decision comes down to a single factor, what is more, valuable to you: the colonist lives or the intel. I don’t see why James, as he is shown in the film/movie would value the intel over the Colonists. Unless they were additional factors at play i.e. what he feels for the Asari lady.
And, again, we know that Shepard makes the entire point meaningless, so James sacrifices the Colonists for nothing.
Now, since he fought them one, James would have experience, he could use/pass along.
What you said, about Shepard is largely correct, minus the part, where he isn’t obeying the Alliance military since becoming a Spectre. This is actually an issue within the game, whereas even those he supposed to be a ‘Spectre’ he silly taking order from Hackett, even in the first game, all become a ‘Spectre’ does seem to give Shepard more independent/authority, and we never actually see the Council send him on a mission (not counting the hunt for Saren).
What you said about James, is technically correct, but he doesn’t seem to be in contact with Alliance command, during the Collector attack, so he actually is making a decision on his own. Hell, he doesn’t even seem to listen to his commanding officer, Captain Toni and he gets everyone but one guy out of his squad killed. In the movie, his squad doesn’t even know what a flanking movement is. That’s basically military tactics. James, show nothing, outside of pure combat ability, of someone who deserves to be a leader, and honestly, the game doesn’t add anything to change my opinion of James.
I’m alright/not bad, but I’m glad you’re feeling a little better.
Miranda, Tali, Ashley, Jack, are all MaleShep exclusive. However, I think Traynor and Steve are supposed to balance each other out, since both are for same-sex romance options only and exclusive to FemShep or MaleShep see below for more.
However, the majority of the other bisexual options are women (Kelly, Diana, Liara, Samara) with Kaidan being the sole Bisexual Male, after a being retcon. In my opinion, this is why FemShep romance options suffered so much during the three-game, because they took Kaidan exclusive away from FemShep, but didn’t take one exclusive romance option away from MaleShep.
It didn’t have to be Ashley, Jack had been with women before, and I can honestly see Miranda being open to being with a female Shepard. Since in the first two games, the thing was a balance between the two Shepards and their romance options:
ME1: Ashley (Male), Kaidan (Female), Liara (Both)
ME2: Jack, Miranda, and Tali for Male Shepard
Jacob, Thane, and Garrus for Female Shepard
Kelly, Samara, and Morinth for either Shepard.
So, for the first two games, everything is equal in term of the number of romance options. Male Shepard is straight, FemShep can either be straight bi or a lesbian. However, in the third games that all when to shit. They’re five exclusive Male Shepard options (Jack, Miranda, Tali, Ashley, Steve) and three FemShep Options (Garrus, Thane, Traynor). Then they’re four options for either (Kaidan, Kelly, Liara, Diana).
Now the DLC added James and Javik for Female Shepard, and Samara for both, bring the total up to five for MaleShep, five for FemShep, and Five for both. This is what led me to think, that Steve and Traynor are supposed to same-sex exclusive, that that leaves Male Shepard with four female options and Female Shepard with four males.
Also, in Andromeda, they left Sara with 7 romance options and Scott with 8 romance options, since they added Jaal to Scott, but didn’t add one to Sara, to offset the change in Jail, since Jaal was originally exclusive to Sara.
All of what you said is correct, but I still find it hard to accept, that someone so close to the Collector mission, i.e. the loss of his husband, would end up on the same ship as Shepard.
Most of what you said about General Williams, is correct, but let me ask you this: why would humanity who recently discovered space travel, immediately started constructing a military? That led to conclude that those within the Alliance knew that other powers were out there and was building up Earth strength before meeting those alien’s species. This explained the overaggressive actions of the Alliance, sending an entire Fleet to retake a planet because they Alliance can’t win a prolonged war, but if they defeat the alien in the first battle/hit them harder enough, the alien may rethink attacking Earth. I think the Alliance fear of alien, had less to do with them being alien, and more to do with the technology, military, and economic superiority of those aliens. Even at the beginning of the first game, almost 30 years later, the Alliance is the fourth-rated power in the galaxy, behind the Council races. This is my theory and something I used in my fan fiction.
Here is where and I think we have to agree to disagree. In the movie, we don’t hear James tell us why he decides to save the intel over the Colonists. We know that Shepard rendered his choice meaningless, so he sacrifices the Colonists for nothing, but I think he saved the intel, partly because Treeya was onboard. In the first game, Shepard has to pick between Ashley and Kaidan, that entire decision can be made based on who's romance, i.e. you left Kaidan to die because you’re romancing Ashley.
The point, I think you’re missing, there’s no way for James to know if the intelligence is valuable or not and honestly without the guy who was working with the Collector, no way of knowing if the Alliance will be able to understand the intelligence or even archive the intelligence. The guy who worked for Cerberus but also is working for the Collector had been around them enough to figure out their systems. Does anyone else know that? Do they know that the Collector only have two ships? My point is that James based on a decision on what if and unknown, instead of going what he knows will happen. The Colonists will die vs. someone intel that could be helpful, at some point down the road.
I thought the point of the movie, was to show that James isn’t Shepard and that why you needed Shepard.
You’re correct, that Shepard’s mission in Arrival had connections to the Alliance, but Shepard, unlike James, had shown that he does he own thing. He didn’t care if the Alliance didn’t like him working with Cerberus, and technically Shepard isn’t under Alliance control anymore, hint why Hackett asked him to look into the matter because he technically is a Spectre. Whereas James is trying to be Shepard-like, instead of being James Vega.
Thanks! I hope you feel better too.
Yes, I think we agreed without the romancing of Kaidan or Ashley, the player is prevented from witnessing the character development.
I agreed that I think it is was an arbitrary flip for Kaidan too also of a sudden become bi, but I also think Bioware didn’t see many other options for Male Shepard same-sex romance, they’re only two in the games. Be for FemShep, they’re several same-sex romance options without flipping Ashley. I do have it curious that Jack isn’t a romance option for FemShep since she tells Shepard she had been with women before.
My problem, with Steve, is I just found it hard to accept that his husband was on one of the colonies that were just destroyed by the Collectors, and here now he is a shuttle pilot on the Normandy.
As for ME: Evolution, I did it read it once. I see a couple of options for General Williams:
1: The Alliance blamed him for not holding out longer since it is only a short-time after he surrendered that the Alliance retook the planet.
2: The Alliance blamed him in order to saved face, because they didn’t want peoples to think the Alliance was weak and unable to protect them from aliens. As time the game implied the Alliance isn’t as strong as it thinks or wants other species to think it is. For example, the Alliance Fleet that comes to rescue the council in the first game (during Sovereign attack) is still being rebuilt when the Reaper invaded, some four years later.
Here is what you’re falling to understand: James doesn’t know that the intelligence isn’t replaceable. James make his decision to save the intel based on totally the unknown i.e. unknown factors and guesses. He doesn’t know that much about the Collectors, he doesn’t know if the intel is even usefully, and he doesn’t know if the intel is replaceable or not. What he does know is: The Colonists will die, if he doesn’t save them.
Even, if you remove the intel (which is proving worthless by Shepard’s mission) James decided that one life, Treeya was worth more than saving hundreds (the Colonists, including April and her mother). That is my point, James make his decision based on assumptions, and in my humble his personal feeling. But I also feel like, and this is my biggest issue, is that they had James make that decision simply to show that he isn’t Commander Shepard. But it doesn’t make a bit of sense. He is literally saving 1+X (X is the Unknown, in this case the intel) vs saving 300 Colonists. 300 is larger than 1, and he would need to save at least several hundred more peoples in order to make the decision worth it, but he can’t possibly know that.
Also, saving the peoples giving the Alliance intel they may not had, and too many voices to silent. Also, James could had said, “I wasn’t unable to recover the intel, but the Colonists are sure that it was the Collectors and using what I know, I can I can track the Collectors down…” then the Alliance could send James on another mission or tell him that Shepard is handling the Collector issue, so prevented any type of errors between the film and games.
It would had added depth to James, if James did resent Shepard. James being pissoff at Shepard that his rendered his trauma pointless add complex to the story and their relationship. Then the player could offer their opinion(s) on what James did, and depending on how the player enaction with James, it would lead James to realized that Shepard’s right or Shepard’s wrong.
Shepard decision in Arrival, hadn’t nothing to do with the Alliance, and it is not a hard one to make. Now, I do wish you had the option of saving the Batarians and delaying the Reapers but that’s just me. Or delaying with Reapers without killing so many Batarians, but anyway, Shepard choice is simply: you let 300,000 Batarians die now or you let millions of beings die. That is what the outcome is.
In my opinion, you’re missing reading James’s decision. What you said about ‘unstable claims’ and not believing the ‘crazy-talk’ is wrong, because James seen Shepard as hero, he would be one of the peoples who quietly think Shepard is telling the truth.
I agreed that Andromeda was a narrative clusterfuck. However, I think you’re missing my point about gender matters. Romance options are Male Shepard: Female and Alien Neutral – through Liara is ‘female.’ Female Shepard: Male and Alien Neutral. What I’m saying is that player who played Male Shepard (82% according to Bioware) couldn’t romance Kaidan and those lack anything aware of his ‘character’ development, because they never got those scenes since he wasn’t as romance option for male Shepard. Same for women who player female Shepard and Ashley.
According to Bioware, Kaidan was change because they sought it make sense for Kaidan to be romanceable by either Shepard but thought it didn’t work for Ashley. In other terms, it alright for Kaidan to be bi, but not for Ashley. The real issue Bioware change male Shepard was because LGBT groups argued that it was unfair, to has FemShep be able to romance either gender, and Male Shepard romance only female. I actual agreed with them, but it a retcon because the first two games shown Male Shepard as straight, without even dialogue to support his change. Worst is that one of the same-sex male romance (Steve) just lost his husband and die if you don’t talk to him enough. Unfortunately, during my first playthrough I didn’t realize that, and he die.
I don’t know what other story, you’re referring too, but according to in-game dialogue, General Williams was cutoff from Alliance Command and only surrender, when the Turian starts dropping asteroid on the planet.
Yes, the intel is replaceable, because it was found once, it’s data/knowledge it doesn’t just not existing. Where to find it? That I don’t know, but the colonists are not replaceable. Once you died, you died (other than Shepard).
I thought, after watching the movie again, that Treeya is into James. Even if he didn’t have any feeling for Treeya, it can be seen as him saving his ‘love interest/Asari allies’ over the Colonists, most of whom he barely know.
So here is where the situation changes, trillions of lives in danger during ‘Arrival’ compared to 300,000 Batarians. Shepard know for a fact, what will happen if the Reaper invasion. However, James scenario is different. They’re 0/Intel vs X number of Colonist. I think it is few hundred. James had no idea what, if any, the intel can save. So, for example, if the intel could save 200,000 vs a few hundred colonist. You save the intel, but again James doesn’t know that. The Intel could be completely worthless. So, it has a value of 0, but the few hundred colonies are greater, partly because James know what will happening if he doesn’t rescue them in time, they all die, period. The Shepard decision, in ‘Arrival’ is much easier.
If Sloane was truly out of her own interesting, she wouldn’t had help you during the last mission, would has shot you the moment you step foot on Kadara, and a someone truly out for themselves doesn’t normally take leadership position.
I’m sorry for not giving a best response, but my legs are killing me and I want to goes to bed.
@ RPG Warrior6270,
No worries. Sorry I didn't mean to respond in such a way.
@ RPG Warrior6270,
Now we're getting into a much harder debate. Sloane is an NPC, whereas Reyes is an NPC Romance Option, meaning Reyes has more scenes and in turn had more character development. Again, I didn't romance Reyes, but I wouldn't have romance Sloane if she had been an option because I'm sorry but she is ugly both in her looks and her in behavior. However, I try to judge the character based on their actions without the romance scenes, since they're one optional and two various between romances/playthrough. That's my argument for Ashley over Kaidan. Ashley has slightly more character development without the romance and has a better backstory/interesting character than Kaidan, minus the romance. It is based totally on that view, that I think Kaidan is the worst squadmate in the first game.
@ RPG Warrior6270,
I think you're unfair judging Sloane. First, we don't know in-game what the reasons behind the mutiny on the Nexus were. However, according to the novel, Sloane didn't side with the mutineers until Tann sent Krogans to crush the mutiny by killing the mutineers.
I think other than the romance, both are equally as like to betrayal Ryder, just Sloane would do it to Ryder's face, whereas Reyes would stab you in the back. Also, Reyes left the Nexus too and while he wasn't part of the mutiny, he still abandoned the Nexus when things got bad. What makes you think he won't abandoned Kadara if things get bad? Unless, him being in power, somehow make the situation different?
I don't think Sloane is near as power hungry as Reyes. She seems more interesting in keeping control of what is her i.e. Kardara port. Again, other than the romance, Reyes doesn't show anything otherwise to the character, and since I didn't romance him, I never saw his 'softer' side.