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Udina, when he acts so charismatic and pro-human at the end of the game, if the council has perished, you are a renegade, and you nominate him as the chair, he reminds me a lot of Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars. 22:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

How do I shot jerk? Edit

I'm told it's possible to give this guy the Manuel treatment. How? I thought the renegade option when he grounds you is the way... --Skarmory The PG 18:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Anderson punches him if you let him make the decision about how to get you off the Citadel, or tell him to go to Udina's office. --Tullis 19:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Been there, done that. Or have I misheard that you can do it to him too? - Skarmory The PG 21:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Maybe it's just wishful thinking... : ) --Tullis 22:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Ahh hell yeh, I am a Capt. Anderson supporter to the end! There were several occasions even as a Paragon I wanted to kneecap Udina :)--LeathamGrant 23:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Quote TVTropes: "And in any case, Udina is a major Jerkass. In one of the Renegade options, Shepard gets fed up and literally punches him out... and not even his assistant calls him out." - Skarmory The PG 01:01, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I think I remember seeing that on TVTropes. I usually play as a Paragon but I never saw it during my Renegade playthrough. Maybe the trope poster has got Udina mixed up with Manuel and Dr Warren, because Udina doesn't have an assistant. --Tullis 16:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Appearance in Mass Effect 2Edit

I think he'll appear in the game if the player chose him instead of Capt. Anderson at the end of ME1, but what if Anderson was chosen? Would Udina make an appearance, (hopefully as a washed up drunkard) in the 2nd game or is it as if he'll be "struck" from existence? H-Man Havoc 12:17, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Washed up drunkard? Why all the loathing for Udina on this page? I personally liked him. I hope that, if he doesn't get picked as the Councilor at the end of ME (it's just ME for Mass Effect, as the game is Mass Effect, not Mass Effect 1) he turns to elective politics and gets a gig as a member of the Alliance Parliament. He's a real straight shooter, that Udina. His goals are advancing humanity and beating the crap out of it's enemies, and I can respect that! SpartHawg948 12:25, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
Well, we'll see. Udina was decent at his job, but to me he was an obsolete character as soon as Shepard became a Spectre. My 2nd playthrough I did kill the council and chose Udina, just to see how it would be. H-Man Havoc 13:53, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
Udina could probably have been an undercover operative from Cerberus, simply speculation. H-Man Havoc 13:54, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
I hope so. On my renegade path i grew to respect him time after time. Once I saw his reaction after destroying the Council and favoring him as the new Council's chairman... I regretted having told him that nobody sells me out. He's too freaking awesome.Baron Von Awesome 20:16, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Shrewd and pragmatic? Really? Edit

Udina is anything but shrewd. Consider:

  1. He spends most of his time whinging about your decisions. Even when golden opportunities present themselves, he's too busy complaining about all the work he has to do to 'clean up your messes' that he never seems to look for opportunities. In the end, it's either Shepard or the Council who point out the chance for Shepard to become a Spectre in order to pursue Saren. Udina seems to have never even thought of it.
  2. He's a whiny, uncharismatic toad. This is a man who's never learned the concept of give and take. Instead, he petulantly stomps his foot and clenches his fist and never seems to notice nobody is impressed.
  3. He's arrogant as all get out. When, once, even once, does he ever take someone else's advice? He's supremely arrogant and convinced he knows all the answers. Good politicians learn to trust their advisors, but form their own judgements. He forms his own judgements without once considering any advice.

So, what good is he? How the heck did he become the ambassador? Well, consider Anderson's line from the sequel. "He has his uses. He knows who to talk to in order to get things done."

He's a bureaucrat.

Udina is clearly a very good bureacrat, with lousy decision making ability (which we see amply demonstrated) but a capacity to make sure others orders get done. Were he an assistant to a more capable politican, he'd make their career. (Despite his frustrations, I have a feeling that a Councillor Anderson would be remembered fondly by historians.) But he's been promoted above his level of competence, and as a politician himself, he's awful, and we can pretty plainly see just how awful he is through two games. -- JackSlack 22:25, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Um, what are you talking about? ralok 23:25, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
(i am dumb) dude, your opinion doesnt really have much of a place on a wiki that deals solely on the facts presented by bioware, and if they say something that is difinitive, if his actions say otherwise then that is because they wanted to give oyu false expectations of the character. ralok 23:27, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
What is unclear? I'm expressing amusement and dissatisfaction with the description of Udina as "pragmatic and shrewd". I'm not really proposing a change on the main page, I'm just venting. That's why this is on the discussion page. I agree that my opinions don't have a place on the main page. JackSlack 23:29, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
Well, I'm not sure what definitions you're using, but I was using the dictionary definitions of the words. Shrewd- "astute or sharp in practical matters." He is demonstrated to be very shrewd. He knows which way the wind blows, and he adapts to the changing political realities he is faced with. You yourself quoted Anderson stating that he knows how to get things done. Being whiny and uncharismatic does not mean one cannot also be politically shrewd. Case in point- Friedrich von Holstein. One of the most anti-social, uncharismatic people ever, but also one of the shrewdest political minds of the Victorian era. He was totally a behind the scenes operator, a career bureaucrat. Most people didn't even realize he was pulling the strings. So, seeing as being whiny and uncharismatic does not prevent someone from also being shrewd, is there any other reason Udina isn't shrewd? A valid reason? As for pragmatic, it means "possessing a practical point of view". Udna is practical. There is no disputing this. Every action of his screams practicality, as well as shrewdness, adapting to the political situation. Look at how he latches on to the decision to reinstate Shepard into the Spectres. He didn't seem to like the idea, but he saw which way the political wind was blowing, and he went with it. By any proper definition, Udina is nothing if not shrewd and pragmatic. That's why I wrote the intro to include those words. SpartHawg948 04:59, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
It's also worth pointing out that, as I pointed out quite a ways back on the Talk:Human page, we're really not in a position to say things like "But he's been promoted above his level of competence, and as a politician himself, he's awful, and we can pretty plainly see just how awful he is through two games." for one simple reason. We don't really see anything. We see bits and pieces and snippets of days and meetings and whatnot, but definitely not enough to draw any sort of conclusions. What we do know is that he was obviously qualified enough (in the eyes of his superiors) to be named Ambassador. And he's obviously doing his job well enough that he can get away with telling the Citadel Council that he is sick of their anti-human bull**** without being recalled and sacked. That right there tells you something. And he's obviously qualified enough to remain Councilor (or adviser to the Councilor) for two years post ME. Anyone who can pull that off is obviously not promoted above his grade. As for being an awful politician, you have to remember that as an Ambassador, his success or failure is ultimately decided solely on his ability to effectively give voice to the opinions and interests of his superiors, and we don't know what his instructions from on high are, so any attempt to brand him a failure is foolish. It's like us arguing over who was the better Russian Ambassador to the UN. Lavrov or Churkin. We don't know nearly enough about their instructions and how well they carried them out for us to judge. Rememer, Ambassadors like Udina are political operators, but they aren't politicians. So Udina isn't awful as a politician, because he isn't a politician! SpartHawg948 07:22, March 4, 2010 (UTC) OK, that one's a good point. I still regard him as a poor decision maker (that Shepard leapt in ahead of him to spot the chance to exert some leverage over the Council/the Council has to point out the potential deal ahead of Udina doesn't speak well of him) but we don't know what pressures are being exerted on him from above. Point conceded. And, to his credit, there is one bit of wrangling he does manage quite well (as I realised on reflection): He gets you the Normandy. 20:29, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Retribution Edit

Retribution spoilers, I guess, but shouldn't some mention be made on this page that in Redemption, one way or another, he's become a Councillor? The only reason I'm not adding it myself is because Retribution seems to lay down some canon that contradicts possible player choices, with regards to Anderson, Udina and the Council, and I'm not sure if this has been discussed or sorted out anywhere. Unless I'm misremembering and made up this issue...JakePT 10:49, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd have to agree. It does say that he is the Councilor and that Anderson is the aide to the Councilor. It's actually been discussed a bit on the David Anderson talk page, but it sure wasn't sorted out there. Basically, I sought official clarification, and was told (literally) "it is what it is". So yeah, I agree that it should be noted that apparently Udina is the Councilor and Anderson the aide, if not during ME2, then at the very least shortly thereafter. SpartHawg948 10:53, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
Having just read Retribution literally hours ago, this really irked me. Due to the circumstances of the book's storyline, which I won't spoil, it wouldn't have really mattered if Udina was the Councillor or not - he would've been put in that position due to Anderson's choice anyway. Given the care that Bioware/Karpyshyn have taken with preserving the games' ambiguity in the past, either somebody got careless or this was deliberate (perhaps to set up a situation in ME3 involving Udina...). I'm more than a little confused by the apparent abandonment of the care taken to canon in the past... I just read Karpyshyn's reply in the other talk page, I might try and send another email seeking clarification... he was more than a little vague. Bronzey 11:00, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
I supposed if you really want to Fan Wank it, you could say that if Anderson was the councillor in ME2, then shortly after he resigned and swapped posts with Udina, which makes sense for his character, the way he acted in ME2, but that has no place in the article. I suppose all we can say is that 'prior to the events of Retribution Udina was made councillor and Anderson became his aide', which isn't much. I suppose we'll have to wait until ME3 until this clears itself up, but even then I doubt it will. I have a feeling someone's made a boo boo here.
I'm not too sure contacting Karpyshyn will help much though, since I think he's off doing something besides Mass Effect, I think it's really up to the writers whether or not they want to ignore it or explain it. I suppose asking if he knows how they're treating it could help some.JakePT 11:05, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
@Anonymous poster (try to sign your posts): That would technically work, but it'd be a really contrived and awkward solution to the issue. I'm hoping that as you say, it's just a case of somebody making a mistake with their backstory and not realising that the Councilor was player-decided. Although, I have a suspicion that this was a deliberate way of ensuring Udina was the human councilor for ME3, for plot reasons (perhaps Udina emerges as an ally/enemy of Shepard, who knows).
@Jake: As far as I'm aware Karpyshyn created the overarching storyline of the trilogy, so he'd be a good place to start. Even a simple clarification of whether this was just a mistake or a deliberate action (for whatever reason) would be nice. Bronzey 11:47, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
The anonymous poster was me, I edited my post soon enough after posting it that the homepage only showed what I added as being new from me.JakePT 11:57, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I guess you guys didn't get the gist of the conversation on the David Anderson page if you're talking about whether or not contacting Drew Karpyshyn would help. As I state over there, I already contacted him and got a response. I even stated what his response was (in a nutshell) here in this very thread: "It is what it is." SpartHawg948 19:53, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't think this will really help sorting it out, but I will say it anyways. In the German version of Retribution it is not said that Udina or Anderson are Councilors but Citadel diplomatics in favor of Alliance matters. I did really spend attention to this fact and was quite surprised to find this here. So, just my 2 cents... Tyber Droid 22:06, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
Not really. It's actually fairly well settled that Udina is the Councilor, at least as if 2186, as confirmed by two canon sources (Mass Effect: Retribution and Mass Effect: Inquisition), and while I can't speak for the folks at BioWare, if the source in its original language (English) and the source after being translated into another language (German) conflict, I'm taking the original version to be correct, as there's no chance it lost its meaning in translation. Now, the issue of when Udina became Councilor is still unresolved, but I also don't anticipate us learning that info in the near future, if ever. SpartHawg948 22:26, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
So it seems the translator was more inclined to save the non-established facts than the author... Tyber Droid 22:38, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
No... the translator likely missed something and mis-translated it. After all, Udina being Councilor in 2186 is an established fact. Now, if it were only one source that said so, I'd agree that maybe, just maybe, it was a fluke or a mistake, and the German version could be right. If it were two sources by the same author, I'd be more skeptical, but would allow that it could, just maybe still be an error. But we have two different sources, by two different lead writers (Retribution by Drew Karpyshyn, lead writer of Mass Effect, and Inquisition by Mac Walters, lead writer of Mass Effect 2). Two different sources written by the two lead writers of the series say one thing, and a translated version of one of those sources says another. Which is more likely to be accurate? SpartHawg948 22:43, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
I won't contest the German version's canonicity against the English version's - I really know how that works with Star Wars content. When I read Inquisition I thought something like "Yeah, right. Anderson stepped back from his responsibilities when Kahlee came to him in Retribution, so Udina took over." Now I read this. And the "could, just maybe" error is still up in the air. But - as with all official things - we have to wait for official statements. Tyber Droid 22:52, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
Really the only thing still up in the air is whether or not Udina was the Councilor starting in 2185, or if there is the possibility that Anderson was the Councilor and then stepped down. His becoming Councilor at some point (which is what this thread is about, after all), is indisputable, and now that it's backed by sources from the two biggest names in ME canon, is clearly not an error. SpartHawg948 22:55, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

I believe he has a son... Edit

In the DLC Lair of the Shadow Broker it is hinted that he has a son, and they don't exactly seem friendly.
Where was this? If you're talking about the video, there's absolutely no evidence that was his son - it could have easily been an Alliance government official, an aide, or a military officer. We need hard evidence to back up these kinds of statements. Bronzey 16:49, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Video Archive Edit

How and why is the human Councilor (or aid to the Councilor) on Omega in the middle of the Terminus staring like an idiot at an asari. Is it really on Omega or some new strip joint to replace Cora's Den on the Citidel. --Ironreaper 06:23, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

It's Omega. Unless, of course, the VI is mistaken when it announces "Donnel Udina. Omega." as the video appears. As to how he gets there, the same way anyone does, I would imagine. I can't see why he wouldn't be able to get there. Why is another matter though... SpartHawg948 06:26, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

I just dont get how in the first game the Council is so scared of the Termius declaring war they wont let you go near it. Now they dont want Shepard to leave te Terminus systems and high-ranking government officals seem to be able to sneak in without anyone caring--Ironreaper 06:30, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it wasn't that they didn't want Shepard to go there. It's that they didn't want Shepard to go there in an Alliance warship on an official mission for the Citadel. Just sneaking in there by yourself literally was not an option. In the second game, they don't want Shepard to leave the Terminus systems because working with Cerberus has made Shepard into a bit of a liability. Staying in the Terminus Systems gives the Council plausible deniability. SpartHawg948 06:33, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Anybody notice his hair is darker in ME 3? Is that just an affect of the new graphics, or has he dyed it between 2 and 3?

Udina's motive behind action in ME3

I think it's easy to infer his motives for his betrayal, but is there any diaries or personal files where it goes into more depth

Hair color. Edit

Should it be noted in trivia how his hair color goes from an older grey-white look to a younger dark look in Mass Effect 3? Or is this not even close to being trivia?--Legionwrex (talk) 03:39, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Hair color change is probably due to an introduction in new looks and graphics for ME3. Its worth noting I believe.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 03:46, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
Just to be safe, I'll wait for admin approval.--Legionwrex (talk) 03:50, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

my shep changes hair color from blond to brunette to white. space magic? naw. dye job. can say the same for udina. (if you want to point out wreav's plates, well we really have no idea how that works. plate dye job? perhaps. udina's hair is quite explainable however) T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 04:35, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough, I just thought since we had something similar to Wreav that maybe this should go here.--Legionwrex (talk) 04:39, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

I found something similar on Matriarch Athyta's trivia section as well. And as I recall, there is a advertisement on Illium in Mass Effect 2 that mentions a skin cream that make asari look younger, so you can't really use the "it's not explainable" argument that works for Wreav.--Legionwrex (talk) 21:17, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

.......Can I please maybe get an admin or at least a SE to comment and tell me if I should add this or not? It's been 13 days, normally I don't like to rush people, but I would appreciate a response soon.--Legionwrex (talk) 21:32, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

There are way to many explanations for this. It isn't trivia. For example, my cousin had brunette hair, then three days later, it was red. There are just to many things here. Lancer1289 (talk) 21:47, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Udina's Quote Edit

Just wondering, I think the following quote is much better than the current one: "If we don't figure something out, "Maybe Later" will be an epitaph on a mass grave of eleven billion."

He says it when you first encounter him in Mass Effect 3.

Opinions? I think it illustrates who he is much better than the current one. 22:11, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

The top-of-article headquote must come from the game in which the character first appears, as per the Manual of Style. Only squadmates (I believe) have headquotes for each game that they appear in. LilyheartsLiara (talk) 22:25, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

if the character appears in multiple media, has particular significance to the plot, and has particularly memorable quotes at disposal that character is eligible for a headquote in the appropriate section. udina delivers two epic ones (one after the other) in ME3 IMO. feel free to support either or suggest your own.

“They're a bunch of self-concerned jackasses, Shepard. We may have a spot on the Council, but humanity will always be considered second-rate. How can they be so blind?”

“If we don't figure out something, "Maybe Later" will be an epitaph on a mass grave of eleven billion.”

some others:

“Humanity has created some goodwill in the galaxy. Now we cash in our chips. I will get what funding I can, what materials I can, and spread the message: Help the humans, help yourselves.”

“You need a carrot or a stick to drive a mule, and humanity has neither right now. Our armada is tied down fighting or fleeing, and with Earth's comm buoys gone, our economy is reduced to an IOU. But leave that part to me. I will lean on our colonies for all they're worth, and I can broker enough trade to repair and resupply Hackett's fleet.”

“With Parliament destroyed and Shastri gone, I have more power than any human in history. But today, you saw how little that is. Rest assured, I will not be counted out long. I know I can move mountains. Do not lose sight of that, because the task before us is moving planets.”

T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 03:39, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
I like the first one you list. I think it perfectly sums up Udina's frustration with the seeming reluctance of humanity's alien allies to aid Earth, foreshadowing his radical decision to conspire with Cerberus to overthrow the Council. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:26, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
so does the anon's vote count (s/he's for 11 billion and is the one to start this thread in the first place)
i'm fine with whichever of the first two is put up, which potentially leaves us with a deadlock. and here we have a problem where we put things up for discussion and nobody bothers to actually chip in. :p T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 21:52, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
I'm for the Maybe Later/11 billion quote, provided that we can use it according to site guidelines with it being a quote from ME3. If not then I suggest Udina gets quotes for each game, and we use that for ME3. Garhdo (talk) 22:03, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
I like "self-concerned jackasses" myself. :-) To me it fits Udina's role in the series best. Cattlesquat (talk) 22:06, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

if the anon's vote counts as of this writing we have 2 for "11 billion", 2 for "jackasses" and me neutral because i like both. to settle the matter and close this issue already i flipped a coin, heads means jackasses and tails means 11 billion.

the result is jackasses. 3-2 in favor of jackasses.

if there are no further votes within 24 hours i'll put it in myself. don't bother complaining if you don't like the quote and you didn't vote and good luck with getting another consensus for it. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 05:50, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Jackasses. Lksdjf (talk) 06:46, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

I'm still in favour of a headquote for each game - I think Udina is a asignificant enough character to warrant such. In that case Jackasses works for ME, and 11 billion for ME3. Garhdo (talk) 10:30, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

replayed through that particular sequence concerning jackasses sometime yesterday and remembered that it was actually shepard who says "How can they be so blind?" instead of udina. now this is a genuine fuckup on my part, mea culpa for slipping quality control and all, so i'm extending the voting period by a day or two for you guys who bothered to chip in your opinions if you want to change your minds or leave it as it is. this also allows for the possibility of more people wanting to weigh in on the matter, not that anyone else would. for my part i'll just flip a coin again if another deadlock is reached.

@garhdo this is actually the voting for udina's ME3 headquote. multiple headquotes were already allowed as per MOS and i can't think of anything good for the guy in ME and ME2 offhand.T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 03:58, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Ah okay I was getting confused. i still think the 11 billion one is my favourite, but the other one is growing on me. In a deadlock put my vote for 11 billion though. :) Garhdo (talk) 14:46, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
I still like jackasses-- you can just take out the part Udina didn't say, or whatever. Cattlesquat (talk) 14:56, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

so as it turns out people just reiterated their earlier positions even with the modifications. with lksdjf voting for jackasses final tally is 4-2. jackasses ftw. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 15:58, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Can he reinstate your Spectre status or no?Edit

So, I read on Anderson's page that Shepard's Spectre status is able to be reinstated regardless or not Udina is chosen to be the Councilor at the end of Mass Effect 1. However, on this page, the info says that if Udina is made Councilor, Shepard cannot be reinstated as a Spectre. Can someone please clarify this for me? Which piece of info is correct? I'm thinking of choosing Udina as the Councilor (I plan on saving the Council) but I also want to be reinstated as a Spectre in ME2, but I don't feel inclined to pick Udina if him being Councilor nullifies that privilege. Any feedback would be appreciated :) 23:54, July 15, 2014 (UTC

The council reinstates Shepard if the council is saved in ME1 Joreve (talk) 20:12, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

This is true, as long as the original council survives Shepard can regain Spectre status regardless of whether Thel Vadam or Udina is on the council. -- 02:10, January 27, 2015 (UTC)

Telling Shepard about the second Spectre Edit

A minor bug I encountered in ME3: Even though Shepard had spoken to Kaidan after he had accepted the Spectre position, Shepard appeared not to know of it when speaking to Udina. This was before Priority: Sur'Kesh. I was wondering if the error occured because the game looked to see if the ANN announcement about it had been heard in the Spectre office, rather than checking a conversation flag. -Sophia (talk) 19:58, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Andromeda Cameo(?)Edit

In the first memory unlocked in Ryder Family Secrets, it sees Alec Ryder discuss what would become SAM with the human ambassador to the Citadel. We also see another person, a bit younger than the ambassador, but shares many facial features with Udina.

As I believe this sequence is roughly in the 2160s, could this be a small cameo to Udina? Maybe as an understudy for eventual promotion?

--Gilke001 (talk) 14:06, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

I don't think that was Udina or any of his relatives. The face and voice didn't match. Just one of Anita Goyle's political advisors. --MarkRulez711 (talk) 16:40, April 17, 2017 (UTC)
My first impression of the "advisor" is he strikes me as a younger Udina. I wouldn't be surprised if he is but it is speculation at this point.  teugeneTalkContr 08:42, April 18, 2017 (UTC)
For sake of an argument...
Udina Comparison
--Gilke001 (talk) 12:58, April 18, 2017 (UTC)
just because they're black diplomats with a seemingly arrogant countenance doesn't automatically mean they're the same guy. you humans are all racist :p
you would be better off asking the devs directly over at twitter to confirm. good luck. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 13:17, April 18, 2017 (UTC)
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