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TIM's Face Model?

Ok, so I've heard that TIM's face model is Jon Briddell[1], and looking him up this seems like it's true. (see here [2]) Since his IMDb page doesn't credit him in any way to Mass Effect, but since I don't know if IMDb credits models, and because the resemblance is uncanny, I'll ask BioWare via the BSN & Twitter if he is indeed the facial model for TIM. --Soren7550 23:28, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Except we know this to be false. The appearance of the Illusive Man was changed when BioWare recruited Martin Sheen as his voice, and they changed his appearnce to reflect Sheen. Hence why it states this in the article. Lancer1289 23:52, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

What Lancer stated. This is much in the same way as Miranda's appearance being that of her voice actor, Yvonne Strahovski. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 01:55, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Lancer you should read this, some "ME character artist states" that TIM's face is not based on Martin Sheen's face but instead in some other actor. I tend to believe its Jon Briddel's... but oh well. I think the "TIM is modeled after Martin Sheen's face" part that the article states should be removed. [3] --190.246.34.151 15:56, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Not even close to a reliable source. Lancer1289 (talk) 17:45, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for necro, but take a good look on Martin Sheen and the Illusive Man. They're almost like twins. Nadare (talk) 20:19, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

The reason people think Jon Briddell is the model is because the character and he look almost exactly the same. If you could cite appearances, we wouldn't be having this debate. But fact remains that it's perfectly feasible that it is coincidence, particularly since Bioware plays with the graphical models after the fact anyway. Appearances are obviously enough to form an opinion, but they definitely aren't enough to cite something in an article. 68.38.62.9 08:13, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

"Best and worst traits of humanity rolled into one man" needs a source

I think we need a source there. Where's it said? Nadare (talk) 11:28, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

I think is was one of the books, but I can't remember which one...--Mr. Mittens (talk) 17:27, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Trivia cleanup

Is this a trivia  ?

• The "Illusive Man" may be inspired by the Upright Man and his successor, the Virtuous Man in Raymond Feist's Midkemia. They also run organized crime syndicates. He's also comparable to the G-Man from the Half-Life series, both in appearance and role (they both play the role of an overseer and employer, both observing the player as the games progress and pulling strings to control the outcome of specific events). He may also take inspiration from the Smoking Man from the television series The X-Files or the various representatives of Star Trek's Section 31.

I quite sure that it is not! It is even more pure speculation and this trivia is really too long as mos standard. It should then be deleted except if somebody can give me a good explanation of Illusive man similar to all of those fictionnal characters with a valid source or a clear similarity.--DeldiRe (talk) 14:48, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

I would say with the fact that there are numerous examples of this type of shady black ops mastermind character it becomes more of a trope than trivia. I would suggest deleting it. It would be trivia if there was only one or two other examples, suggesting a direct reference. It was probably written very soon after Me2, if not before. Things weren't quite as strict back then. Garhdo (talk) 18:10, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

go argue with sparthawg on this. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 18:16, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yep Temp, I saw this. But according to MoS it is irrelevant don't you think ?

• Here the explanation of those edits Talk:Illusive_Man/Archive1 : it shows that it is some kind of speculation.
• Here another guy who want to see it deleted too Talk:Illusive_Man/Archive1#Trivia_.2F_Inspired_By.3F

Should I bring that to Spart ? --DeldiRe (talk) 18:36, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

With the fact three users have questioned it it should be eligible for removal, or at the VERY LEAST reverted back to Spart's original addition rather than as it is now, however doing so would have to acknowledge that it is speculation, and as far as I am aware from the MoS speculation is generally discouraged unless a clear example and justification can be made. Therefore in this case compare Illusive Man to CSM, while questionable, is better than comparing him to CSM, G-Man AND Section 31 - one clear comparison is trivia, three is a trope and therefore not trivia worthy. Garhdo (talk) 16:50, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

In fact I am taking the step and doing just that. Garhdo (talk) 17:30, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

If we do not have reactions from others editors or Sparthawg, I think we also should remove the smoking man part. It's sad that one of the most read article is not in accordance with MoS :( --DeldiRe (talk) 18:13, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

As I said the link with CSM is questionable, BUT it is more prominent - TIM smokes, runs a similar organisation and is an occasional ally but also an adversary. It is a more definitive link than the others, and with the chain-smoking trait that both characters share can be said to be much clearer link. Not to mention that to remove it completely would also pave the way for other similar trivia items to be removed, items that in some cases were very hard fought for, such as (I forget which page exactly the trivia item is on, EDI i believe) the link to Battlstar's Cylons having their backs lighting during sex and Joker's comment to a romanced Traynor regarding Shepard in the party. That particular piece was fairly recent and was fought for by the community against Lancer and with SpartHawg's intervention to allow it. Removing this piece of trivia allows others like that to be removed completely, which I disagree with. As I said above, where a clear link can be made to a particular reference, with several bits of supporting evidence, even if unconfirmed, I believe a single trivia note is okay, based on previous arguments. Therefore as the page stands now SHOULD be fine. Garhdo (talk) 18:26, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

Eyes "prosthetic"?

Unless I've interpreted this incorrectly, it seems that Jack Harper's eyes were altered by contact with a Reaper device, yes? Like the Husks. However, the opening paragraph states that his eyes seem "prosthetic" - in the interest of maintaining as spoiler-free an opening paragraph as possible, would it be appropriate to change it to "synthetic", given that that's a fairly important word on its own in the Mass Effect universe and, while it makes it own implications (Ones most players most likely caught onto immediately, given the role human robotization plays in the Mass Effect stories), it does not directly state that the Illusive Man has been... altered? CaptainThunderdude (talk) 04:42, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Illusive, but not elusive

Calling the Illusive Man "elusive" is not only incorrect, but serves to confuse conflate the term with "illusive."

"Elusive" means "difficult to locate" or "evasive" which he is not. So I removed that word.

Oculus Orbus (talk) 09:34, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

and this belies a proper understanding of the underlying lore. TIM is actually elusive in that in-universe most factions do have a hard time locating him. shadowy behind the scenes leader of a shadowy behind the scenes paramilitary organization, go figure. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 12:09, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

I'm just going by what we get in the games, themselves. I don't know from the books, etc. Mea culpa. :D

Oculus Orbus (talk) 04:13, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

try reading between the lines and actually paying attention to the given scenarios and codex entries supplied within the games themselves. It's good for your health and general well-being. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 05:26, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

ME2 Headquote

So there's a headquote for the top that's NOT from ME2, and there's one for ME3 section, then it stands to reasons there should be one for the ME2 section. Right off the top of my head, I like: Information is my weapon, Shepard. (verbatim; right before Collector Ship) Neo89515 (talk) 15:14, 10 August 2021 (UTC)