Talk: Javik

Reminder

The Art of the Mass Effect Universe is officially out and spoilers abound. I expect that the nature of this article's subject will generate considerable speculation about what role this character will have in Mass Effect 3, but I would like to remind all users that this article's talk page is not the appropriate venue for such conversations. Please direct any speculation, commentary, personal opinions, etc. to either the Forums or a user blog. Article talk pages are reserved for discussing the upkeep of articles only. -- Commdor (Talk) 08:03, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Squadmate

Hes a squadmate everyone knows that.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.71.15.82 (talk · contr).

Please read the above post.
And while it may be possible the Prothean is a squadmate in ME3, it has not been officially confirmed. Even the art book (The Art of the Mass Effect Universe) does not state he is a squadmate. -- Commdor (Talk) 02:42, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps you should actually read the art book before making assumptions about what is and isn't in it. Confirmation that he is, indeed, a squad member. --212.181.128.23 19:12, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

And there is no reason to be rude about it either. Lancer1289 19:25, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

How is he being rude? Are you sure you're not perhaps being overly sensitive and misrepresenting his 'tone'? And no. I'm not being rude either. Just an honest inquiry.

Yes, I'm aware of that now. I did read the art book (I have my own copy), but I completely forgot about the squadmate confirmation at the time I created the article. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:25, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

so why don't we add his image to the article then? Señor action 07:52, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

We don't have an in-game image of high quality is why.--Xaero Dumort 07:53, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

ah, i see. Señor action 07:56, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

If I may... has it been stated whether this Prothean Squadmate is the DLC squadmate that has been referenced? And while I'm asking, has it been stated who is and is not a "full-time" squadmate?--Nintendogeek01 15:47, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

No, it doesn't say if he is a forced squad member or optional/dlc related. so are we not adding that he is a squad member since it has been stated now, or waiting till we know what category he falls in? Tivis014 18:53, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Looks to be DLC - http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb370/eddierivers/_prothyDLC.png?t=1329860650 193.37.156.146 22:56, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Prothean Appearance

As the information becomes available, a note should probably be added based on the appearance of the species as a whole, the Codex images on the Protheans were of those odd tentacle beard humanoids, while the leaked art picture of "the prothean" shows it clearly in the same shape of the Collectors *Who were once protheans as everyone knows* Kastrenzo 11:11, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

It isn't leaked anymore. The book is out and has been for almost two weeks now. Lancer1289 13:33, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

The codex is written as an in game "history book" in a sense. For all they knew, the tentacle beards were prothean, and that is how they recorded them until further information came forward. The codex doesnt know everything, it is written using the information available. Saying the tentacle beards were prothean because the codex says so is like saying all humans look like zebras because the codex has a picture of Kiss.BeoW0lfe 13:58, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Let's keep this page on topic people as this is starting to go away from what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 15:45, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Yes Führer Kastrenzo 13:48, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Don't make comments like that. They aren't funny and that is borderline offensive. Lancer1289 14:02, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

I do believe we have been at odds over what one considers offensive or rude, do you remember? So that's kind of Ironic,You're allowed to take offense to comments but no one else. Funny. would it have been less offensive if I had said "Yes Boss?" because franky it does feel like you're trying to boss people around in directing articles, I feel your cause is true, but your execution poor. Kastrenzo 00:44, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

This talk page is not the appropriate place for this kind of discussion. If you have an issue with another user, please take your comments to that user's talk page so the issue can be resolved. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:02, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Führer is an obvious Nazi term, which shouldn't generally be said at all in this day and age. People could take offense to that because it basically means you're calling them a Nazi Leader (Hitler). LordDeathRay 01:03, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Dang it Commdor, LordDeathRay. I had an awesome response only for you guys to edit conflict me.--Legionwrex 01:06, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

We don't assume that Egyptians had the heads of falcons or the bodies of lions based on their monuments. Why apply that standard to Protheans? 70.76.99.169 13:15, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Well the Eqyptians were human for one. And the Protheans were . . . not? Thats another--Ironreaper 13:26, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

And again this topic doesn't belong here. Take it to one of the places that I've already mentioned where it is more appropriate. Lancer1289 13:39, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Confirmed with a nerdgasm

Confirmed is it? That it is. It is confirmed to be in the DLC "From Ashes". So, id say its time to geek out.

• Insert Nerdgasms here*

So, now we have a DLC Prothean Squad member, and i have saved Microsoft points for this very occasion. In case some epic Mass Effect 3 DLC is comming. And its said to be released on the release day.

So, in other words, we will have a Prothean by our side. Fighting agaisnt the Reapers with us.

• Random Nerdgasm*

The Reapers are fucked now. they couldnt properly exteriminate the Protheans, and now they are here to help.....

The ONLY thing better would be a Prothean army.

Prothean Army: CHARGE!!!!!!

• Nerdgasms during charge*

Ah well, i guess i better got relieve this hyper state of mine. Cant have myself nerdgasming too much......

But yeah, its confirmed. Consider it official.

Yes, we're well aware of the news.
But please read the post at the top of the page. In the future, keep in mind that comments such as the one you just made are more appropriate for the wiki's Forums or a user blog. -- Commdor (Talk) 07:30, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Given it has been officially confirmed, should we post his picture? I have a saved copy if we need a high detail upload... BeoW0lfe 13:47, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

At this time, it probably isn't a good idea as what we have, we don't post anyway. Lancer1289 13:53, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

ok lance, i differ to your judgement. (ftr im trying to make amends to you for out arguments a while ago) my question is, are we waiting for the games release? Or simply a good shot or Mr. Prothean?BeoW0lfe 13:55, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Class

Has his class or role been determined yet? An idea (not any proof, simply an idea) is that the Prothean replaces the role of Ashley/Kaiden, depending on who you left on Vermire. Any knowledge on the subject would be helpful. Jon Ossum 00:38, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

There hasn't been any official word yet on the Prothean's powers. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:47, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

he is Adept class all his powers are biotic and he has one grenade power bonus powers are slam and dark channel (Sonicwave567 05:29, March 11, 2012 (UTC))

Name and Location

Ignore me if you want, but the Name of the prothean, is Javik. I'm not leaving a source and i'm not going to come back and respond to whatever you say, but that is his name. Oh and the DLC takes place on Eden Prime.

The name is an unsubstantiated rumor (it's not in any of the leaked files I've read. I believe someone made it up on BSN and others have taken it as fact. The spelling also varies, I've seen "Javik", "Javrik", and "Jarvik", which makes the validity of this even more suspect), and the location of the From Ashes DLC's mission was officially revealed last week. -- Commdor (Talk) 05:29, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

The Name "Javik" may be based on Tenga Javik, who is mentioned in the Star Wars Universe in relation to the Battle of Coruscant. It seems plausible since many names in Mass Effect have some sort of connection to other Science Fiction franchises. (I don't know how to add links here but you can check it out at Wookiepedia, aka star wars wiki).

info that I found

Prothean should be in the Vanilla, not DLC because of what someone said that makes total sense:

A DLC character has to be a character that is fun but not connected to the main story. A Prothean is VERY important

and I also found an in-game pic when I was searching Javik the Prothean [i dunno if it is confirmed]VeteranCookie 10:18, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Bioware already released that screenshot. we have no power over the content of a game unless u can turn the time back and force them to do what you want or if you happen to be EA's CEO. and how do you know what is important for the ME3 story. The name of the Prothean is pure speculation, and has not been confirmed by Bioware.

and please sign your posts.--Icemoomoo 10:09, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking that Protheans would be important since they did kind of help you not die at the start of ME1 and they are a race from a long time ago that experienced the old machines. and yes "Javik" is not confirmed but I have a random question, how did that name even get out? VeteranCookie 10:23, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

i think it started spreading around the BSN forums and went viral. About the Prothean being a DLC, it's like with Legion, he was supposed to be an important early game character but that was changed. It could be that the same happend with the Prothean.--Icemoomoo 10:35, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

This kind of thing belongs either in the forums or a blog post as this isn't what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 14:30, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

(edit/removed) sorry wrong talkpage --Icemoomoo 14:34, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

I meant about this topic. Not one about something completely different. Lancer1289 14:37, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

In the older version of the script Javik was a pretty inmportant part of the story with at least 2 missions revolving around him, however this is no longer the case.

Picture

As far as a picture goes, why not the one from the Characters page? ClerkBosker 05:47, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

That image is concept art and being used only as a placeholder. We're only a short time away from getting suitable screenshots. -- Commdor (Talk) 05:53, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

The Prothean: ME 3

He's a soldier and was also the commander of the Eden Prime colony/installation. He was born during the war with the Reapers, and provides a viewpoint about the Protheans that is distinctly at odds with what that of the Hanar. He is aloof and somewhat distrusting, calling himself the spirit of vengeance, whose only mission is to see the Reapers dead. His original purpose was to enter stasis, and then rebuild the Prothean Empire after the Reapers had retreated, similar to the Ilos facility. It must be noted that he himself says that preparing for their return involving conquering every other sentient race in the galaxy and uniting them under his banner.

He uses assault rifles and heavy pistols, and is a biotic-type character. He has a unique biotic ability, a DPS debuff that can be upgraded to slow, and will jump to the next nearest valid target if it kills its current one.

... I forgot his name, though. Will update once I bash my Origin into working.

Stormkeeper 14:01, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Move Propsal

While this one is cut and dry, we still have policies. Since it is now confirmed that the Prothean is named Javik, the article should be moved appropriately. Lancer1289 17:37, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Support move. -- Commdor (Talk) 17:41, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean "moved" can't it just be renamed. In any case I support. JediSpectre117 18:40, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

A "move" is the same thing as "renaming" an article, Wikia just changed what the action is called. It was "move" for years. -- Commdor (Talk) 22:44, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

can you please move it then, instead of just talking about it. User:Reptileman778

Keep it as the prothean. In ME2 the achivements were recruit the convict, not recruit jack, or recruit the justicar, not recruit samara [youwillknowpainsheaperd]

This is a character page, not a mission page. Note we have articles for Jack and Samara, as well as their recruitment missions "Dossier: The Convict" and "Dossier: The Justicar". -- Commdor (Talk) 22:44, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

I support the move --Changonauta 00:28, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Now that we all know the character's proper name it should be moved. --Wharfmaster 00:36, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

yay for move --Ediskrad327 00:46, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I say move it, since if the character has a proper name then change it; not by its species' name. -- jey8000 6:33, March 07, 2012 (UTC)

"The Prothean" was essentially a placeholder name until he had confirmation of his name. NOw that the game is out, we have a name, as well as multiple pictures of the squad menu showing said name, there is no reason that it shouldn't be moved, unless there is a reason that I didn't think of that someone could point out? A.J. two 06:54, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I support the move. Placeholders are going to have to be phased out now. Might as well start with Javik. --AnAutisticTeen 14:59, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Surprised it's not been moved already, to be honest. Support. --The Gunsmith 15:58, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

I support it Crimsonterminator1000 13:50, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Support 100%--Grassrunnerdaughter (talk) 03:43, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

I definitely support the move. Not having the article titled "Javik" would essentially be akin to having Jack's page titled "Subject Zero." --Elitesalt 07:09, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Is Tali's article "The Quarian"? Is Garrus's "The Turian"? Is Liara's "The Asari"? Why should Javik's article be "The Prothean"? If the powers that be insist on keeping this article titled "The Prothean", I move that those characters' pages have name changes to more properly be in-line with this one's naming scheme. --MadCat221 05:11, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

We don't insist that this article remain titled "The Prothean". That's why we started this move proposal. -- Commdor (Talk) 05:13, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

move it then!User:Reptileman778

I support the move. TheUnknown285 02:41, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

The move proposal passes 15-1. Moving now. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:03, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

ME3 is now out, updating the page

Can those of us who have purchased "From ashes" begin updating the page? Also, which source should we site: Mass Effect 3 or the "From ashes" DLC, as most of what applies to him (namely his opinions and personality, as well as the reactions of others) occurs outside the actual DLC mission. Topics to updates are:

Powers: Dark Channel, pull, slam, lift grenade Vengeful Ancient

Weapon speaciality: Assault Rifles, heavy pistols

unlocks the particle rifle

Opinions, history of the protheans? (particularly their imperialistic ways) also should a quote page be started for him?--149.169.130.154 02:20, March 10, 2012 (UTC)dbsamurai

And why not do it yourself? You can't expect everyone else to do the work for you. Lancer1289 02:43, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Was asking permission not requesting others do it. Just noticed that there have been other updates but this page hasn't had next to anything. Was wondering if there was a reason and if whatever I added would get nuked--24.56.22.147 04:40, March 10, 2012 (UTC)dbsamurai

Trivia

Hi guys, I wanted to point out it might be within good reason to add this little tidbit to the trivia section once the move has been decided: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/11/fan-claims-proof-that-mass-effect-3-day-one-dlc-was-on-disc.aspx 174.59.129.142 20:14, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

That appears to be fan speculation, which isn't permissible in articles. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:38, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Another thing that could go in trivia, the fact that his "Squad selection" image shows him with a Disciple shotgun even though he can't use these in game. 81.155.204.52 22:10, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

I'm in favor of adding the Disciple bit to the article. I've noticed it, too. 76.171.184.23 02:20, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Javik will comment that he's refusing to tell others what exactly is he eating, since it's more difficult to poison him that way. However, after saying that he will immediately ask Shepard whether it's true or not that Shepard has a fish aquarium in his cabin.

During Sur'Kesh, he also says that salarian liver was a delicacy in his cycle, which makes salarians look really upset.

Voice Actor

I know Javik is played by a jamacian person, but who is it?

Not Jamaican, Nigerian. His name is Ike Amadi.

Thessia

"If brought to Thessia" paragraph can't be completely correct. I brought him to Thessia, clicked on all the relics, listen to him prattle on about how they embodied the gods of Asari, but no confrontation took place. Must be more to it. Liara did something? New game +? Imported save? Shepard say something?

I can't believe BioWare did'nt put Javik in the actual game. Why? Do they assume that everyone can buy it?

The confrontation takes place after Sheperd completes the mission on Thessia and goes back to Normandy. When Sheperd goes to the Port Cargo where Javik usually stays, the confrontation between Liara and Javik will soon begin. Deadshot465 06:39, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

He may not be a prothean

So by now I'm sure we all know that the Protheans absorbed other races into their empire and all came to call themselves Prothean. So how do we know that Javik is a real Prothean (a member of the conquering species that absorbed the lesser species) or a lesser species that was absorbed into the empire that came to call itself Prothean?--BrewCrew4Life21 05:24, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Topics like this have no place on a talk page. These things belong either in the forums or a blog post as this isn't what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 14:26, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Then they shouldn't be called talk pages because that infers discussion which is exactly what I'm trying to spark here. In fact if you look at anything else on a talk page you will notice that it's all discussion.

Talking about the article. Anything else is for the forums.--Xaero Dumort 03:37, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

No helmet?

I took him on the Geth Dreadnought mission and noticed that he DOES NOT BREATHE. I can not find any other explanation for the fact that he freely wanders around in vacuum without a helmet or any kind of breathing mask. So is that a bug or not?--44 Magnum 22:36, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Can't Reset His Powers?

Just making sure: Am I the only one with no option in the med-bay to reset Javik's powers? If not, I suggest it be added to the article, perhaps under Trivia. Tali's no.1 fan (talk) 11:58, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

So? Tali's no.1 fan (talk) 13:44, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

TALK!...ANSWER ME! Tali's no.1 fan (talk) 13:54, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

I am also unable to do so, and I've seen it mentioned other places. Probably has to do with the fact that he's from DLC, so they wouldn't have included him when they were first creating the med-bay reset thing. Maybe they forgot or thought it would be too much work when creating the DLC (don't know if it's a code or content change). 173.79.74.196 21:00, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Finally! Thank you, unregistered contributor. I am now adding this to the article. Tali's no.1 fan (talk) 15:28, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I hadn't recruited Javik until this point in my current game and was too lazy to check an old one--I cannot reset Javik's powers either (Xbox). That's three users, should be enough to confirm. Trandra (talk) 18:04, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title

Stupid Revision

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It really urks me when someone undoes a revision to correct something, and the person undoing the revision has no idea what they are talking about. NOWHERE is it implied that Victory took power away from the life-support pods to initiatie the neutron purge. (Not to mention the fact that a species so inept at engineering as to tie a defense system's power supplies to life support; would have a hard time ever existing in space.)

Victory initiates the Neutron Purge, he then states very clearly that the purge damaged the facility. When Javik asks him to clarify, Victory explains that sensors are damaged and that automated reactivation is not possible. He will remain in the bunker until he is discovered by a new culture, which may lead to a power shortage. Javik then yells for him not to deactivate more pods.

The pods are then deactivated over time until only Javik remains. This is not a leap in logic, this is EXACTLY what happened to the protheans on Ilos, and why only a handful survived the event (only to later die on the citadel).

I'm re-correcting the entry. If you doubt this, use Youtube and watch the scene again. Don't correct my edits unless you know what you are talking about.

And what urks me is someone being arrogant and violating site policy. There is no evidence to support this and any further edits will be reverted because it is speculation. Lancer1289 (talk) 19:25, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Stating that it "is implied" that power was taken from the pods to power the neutron purge is pure speculation, the IMPLY is to speculate. Explain exactly where in the cutscene any substance is given to the idea that power was taken from the pods to power the neutron purge, and I will go away. Until then, check your own arrogance before talking to me about mine.

There is a metric S&^% load of evidence to support what I stated, just how much would you like before you quit being territorial about the article?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEczv6fWpm8&feature=relmfu

Please enlighten me where in that video power was taken from the pods to initiate the Neutron Purge? Where he says "A few hundred people?" Have you thought maybe there's only a few hundred left because...oh I don't know, the REAPERS attacked the bunker? Implying that the pods were used to power the purge is SPECULATION! Anything else we can come to a middle ground on, but don't talk to me about speculation when it is already in the article.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw-8sAuOoaY

They went from hundreds of pods to only a few, Javik went from hundreds to one. Callbacks to earlier works in a sequence are a staple of every multi-part story. One by one the pods were triaged as time passed, I'm not understanding what is so hard to grasp about this.

I have re-re-re-edited the page to try to find a happy medium.

I have really just seen quite an arrogant comment, and one that is so hostile that if I had to work this out, I would be severely motivated not to. Your attitude has not been one that inspires cooperation, nor has you yelling at me. You are still speculating.

That said, I cannot find fault with the current revision so I will leave it and if you gloat about it, or anyone, then I will only have proved a point. Lancer1289 (talk) 13:04, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

You can call me arrogant all you want, you were wrong, deal with it, and man up to it like you pledged on your talk page that you would when wrong about something. (Well I wouldn't want to be seen as 'gloating' so never mind, the article is now correct, and that is what is important.) You my friend are the one who reverted an edit without giving any argument to back up your position, you are the one who made no effort what so ever to work things out, and you are the one who has the arrogance to create a personal page claiming how knowledgeable you are. (To say nothing of your arrogance in assuming you can dominate the page because you have an opinion and that is all that matters) Once again I say, check your own arrogance (and your facts) before you try to call me on mine.

The entire point of my edit was to include corect information. I do not need the cooperation of people who are going to interfere with correct information, nor people so arrogant they will latch onto supposed flaws in what I have added when that same supposed flaw (riddled with incorrect information) already exists in the article.

And I prove my point. Quite soundly. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:47, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

You can be snide all you like, it does not change the fact you were wrong and did not man up to it. All you are doing now is showing what a little man you are by trying to use one-liners and insults to divert from the fact that you were wrong. And by the way, you gave up any ground to claiming to be the better man when you came back here just to make a point of trying to get the last word. The above was written specifically to bait you into it, and you took it like a pro. Go back to school kid, you're inability to defend your position, stand your ground in an argument, or accept the fact you were wrong demonstrates you are not yet ready for the world beyond the classroom. I've spent as much time on this now as I care to, the talk page is now yours I won't be back.

Mr. IP user, this debate is more likely to progress positively if you keep calm.--Parax 19:55, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Javik's magical mysterious (non) color-changing biotics

As much as some people enjoy marking their territory around here, one would think they'd understand the color yellow a bit better.

As shown in this screenshot, the flashback scenes in From Ashes have a yellow tint. Due to a widely understood process in the world beyond this wiki, some of Javik's biotic effects, portions of his skin, etc. which appear blue in the rest of the game, appear green in those flashbacks. Others, such as the Dark Channel effect and Particle Rifle beam (which, shockingly, doesn't have a similar trivia note) which appear green in the rest of the game, appear as a slightly different shade of green. Commenting on the flashback colors at all practically invites speculation that his stasis pod has a built-in teeth whitener, ffs. 68.127.154.205 17:32, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you seem so antagonistic about this, but regardless, what is your explanation for why Javik's Dark Channel is green in the game whilst his other powers are blue? It is this inconsistency together with the flashbacks showing green biotics which I believe must have resulted in the trivia being added originally. Also, for reference, here is a video of Javik on Eden Prime using his biotics in both the flashbacks and the present. Observably, there is a colour difference as you said, but it is so slight that I personally find it unlikely that we are witnessing the regular dark blue biotics mixed with yellow. Finally, honest question, what do you make of the colour of his biotics at 3:22 (Year 2186)? They are certainly not the dark blue of regular biotics and neither is he using Dark Channel. I would say they're light green, quasi turquoise. Tali's no.1 fan (talk) 20:44, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Worth a trivia note

Should this be a trivia note about Javik?

I noticed a running gag from him where whenever he gets annoyed or at least, hostile, he would want to throw someone from an airlock. He said that to Blasto, Legion and even Brooks. Jackalex13 (talk) 11:02, March 13, 2013 (UTC)Jackalex13

Maybe, maybe. Tali's no.1 fan (talk) 11:35, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

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Dialogue isn't trivia. Plain and simple on that point. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:11, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Claims Shepard is lying?

Title says it. When you first meet Javik on the Normandy he says that his goal is to kill the repaers, his allies are those who share that goal, and anyone else can burn (not an exact quote). One of Shepard's responses is that he has found and ally because the goal of the Normandy is to wipe the Reapers from existence. This is where it gets interesting: He then "reads" Shepard and says lying is a biological marker. Most of my playthroughs, he says he believes Shepard; my most recent one, he says Shepard is lying and he doesn't believe them. Has anyone else experienced this, is it notable, and has anyone figured out what the conditions for him believing/not believing Shepard are? --Go Bruins!/Go Red Sox!/Go Pats! 06:08, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

that's a paragon shep trying to pick a renegade answer and javik sniffs it out of them. your blue bar is way larger than the red bar. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 09:56, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Squadmates' protection levels

I suggest to add to all squadmates informations about their initial protection level, which means their initial numbers of points of shields, barriers, armor and health. I think it should be noted how durable the squadmates are, if players plan building their squads for missions just like they plan, when they are going to play on Multiplayer. Not just powers, but also health points matter in gameplay. I know there are advices on class guides about taking squadmates for certain classes, but I think health numbers make decisions more specific and easier to make.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 21:46, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Made a Discovery with a Save Editor...

So I was using Gibbed's Save Editor for Mass Effect 3 when I saw a box in the Squad tab that said "Javik Acquired", right? Bear in Mind that I did not download "From Ashes" nor did I even pay for it!!!

Well, I checked the "acquired" box and saved to my Career. When I loaded up the game and did my next mission, I saw Javik, the actual picture of Javik, standing in the Squad Selection menu. Out of Curiosity I chose him as my first Squadmate. I actually expected another "Kasumi-Placeholder/Blank SquadMate" like in ME2, where I'd have only one squadmember.

Well, I actually saw Javik's character model in the weapon selection and Powers menu. His face, armor, everything was perfectly fine, exactly as he would have been if I purchased From Ashes.

I entered the Mission and Javik was actually fighting by my side, using all of his special abilities. His dialogue was even present, giving Wrex the "he is correct. It was a... delicacy, in my Cycle" line on Sur'Kesh!

I think that Bioware may have intended for Javik to be in the Vanilla Squad, before From Ashes came out! Thoughts, anyone??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.40.122.131 (talk · contr).

Save editors aren't part of the franchise, they aren't to be discussed on wikia.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 14:22, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, regardless, remember how I said that I DIDN'T DOWNLOAD FROM ASHES AND STILL ACQUIRED JAVIK WITHOUT BUGGING?

This topic is more about the possibility that Javik could have been planned as a Vanilla Squadmate without a DLC. I only included the BS about the Save Editor because you would need background and evidence when I stated my claim... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.40.122.131 (talk · contr).

Talk pages are for improving articles my friend, not discussing such topics. Unless you can prove ALL of Javik's content is on disc it really can't go into the article, as it has always been known that downloadable characters have some data on disc for gameplay reasons. Garhdo (talk) 15:27, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

In response to your very last point, OP: it is common knowledge that Javik and his recruitment mission were originally part of the plot and during later development removed to be completed as DLC because deadline.

And Drell: go easy on the caps, please. Elseweyr (talk | stalk) January 18, 2014, 18:31:12 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification! I also noticed he used Shotguns in my Playthrough? Do you think that they originally wanted him to wield Shotguns, and that's why he's shown holding a Disciple in Squad Selection Menu?

Javik and Geth VI vis-a-vis Javik and Legion

I noticed my recent edit regarding Javik referring to the Geth VI as "the 'Legion' machine" despite Legion's absence/nonfunctionality has been reverted. What is the reason for this reversion? Is that edit in fact erroneous? Specifically, I am referring to what Javik says after two talk-commands after the interactive-dialog available after Priority: Geth Dreadnought but before doing any other missions, i.e., when Javik asks why Shepard hasn't yet thrown it out the airlock. The Supreme Deity (talk) 02:26, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

it's obviously a goof because even in playthroughs where you SOLD legion to cerberus javik will refer to the VI as "legion". not biography material. trivia. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 02:30, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Very well. If the wikia's policy is to classify goofs as trivia, then I will put it back in as Trivia. The Supreme Deity (talk) 02:58, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Different lines when Javik reads Shepard on Normandy

Looked on this page for a bit and found no reference to this so I'll mention it:

When Javik "reads" Shepard on the Normandy, his lines actually vary depending on when Priority: Eden Prime was completed (and possibly other variables, I'm not sure). I once decided to hold off on doing the mission until about the middle of the game, maybe after Priority: Tuchanka and was surprised that Javik's impression of Shepard's mental state is different then. If you do it early like I'm guessing most people do he'll say he senses fear in Shepard because the Reapers are winning. If you do it late, Javik says he senses confidence in Shepard and that Shepard believes he/she is winning the war.

I have no idea if this is strictly based on what point in the game Javik is acquired, or if it's also tied to Reputation or War Asset level.

I think this deserves some mentioning in the article but do I need someone else to corroborate the actual trigger? Ale89515 (talk) 17:23, July 3, 2020 (UTC)

whatever you're seeing only for the first time i've already noted years ago. albeit on my blog only since there are still some things that will require some cleaning up, some things i haven't fully determined yet, and 100% opinionated and not suitable for the wiki proper as written. User_blog:Temporaryeditor78/squadmate-mission_matchups_for_maximum_dialogue_immersion . . T̶͙̝͍̖̤̞͂̅̿̆́̕̚͝͡e̮̬͚̪͐̅̒̿͟͡m͚̮̣̪̟̦̫̺̝̏̍̄̾̅̽͂ͅp̶̳̥̣̥͓͆̃̋͊́̈̈́̊́̏o̸͉̰̞̖̖̰̟͂̉̈́̍̐͂̚̚͜͠r̛͙͇̦̈́̀̔͐̒͆̽͛͜͜͡a̵̺̣͕̗͗̇̅́̐͒͂̚͟r̺͓͕̰͙͚͙̋̏͐͌͂̍̐̀́̚y̴͉̜͎̜͙͍̞̠͊̄̃̍̋ͅͅḛ̴̙͉͙̠̐̿̄͗͆̈̽͞d̳̙̫͎̝̝̜̘̂̀̍́̀̇͗̄̕͜͟į̴̜̯̗̦̹̻̬̓́̀̓͛̓́̆̇͆ţ̸͍͔̠͍̐̋͋̑͑̉̀̀͞͝ǒ̧̱̣̠̲̣̜̤͙̉̋̾̄̈̕ṟ̛̦͕̖̗͖̱̤̰̪͛́̀̆̑̔͂̃̕7̨̮͎̤̣̞̣̦̞̿̾̓̊̏͑͗̾͌͜8̷̳̻̗̼̙͎́̄̔̀̓͘͝ . 18:09, July 3, 2020 (UTC)

I was just surprised there was no discussion of it here, I'm aware plenty of people have noticed this. Ale89515 (talk) 20:21, July 3, 2020 (UTC)

That is some interesting info; I didn't expect Legion could have conversations mentioning the DLC missions since no other character does. Ale89515 (talk) 00:23, July 4, 2020 (UTC)

What is the absolute latest Eden Prime can be done?

I was curious as to just how late Javik can be acquired - I've acquired him in the mid-game but can Eden Prime be done any time before Cerberus HQ? I'm guessing so but never tested it and this page doesn't say. EDIT: my hypothesis is that you need to recruit him before Priority: Horizon since following that mission you have the memory shard conversation that can determine his fate after the war. Ale89515 (talk) 17:23, July 3, 2020 (UTC)

Following up - on the Priority: Eden Prime Talk page the testing details are here but he can be recruited any time before Cerberus HQ; however doing so post-Horizon means there is no Echo Shard conversation. Ale89515 (talk) 17:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Wake up with Javik ("romance") requirements

There's some conflicting information floating around on how to actually get the "wake up" with Javik so I did some investigation and testing and will put down what I know here so hopefully people may confirm/corroborate in the future. However, a lot of the testing of different variable was done with save editors, so may be suspect so I won't change the page. Here's what I found:

1. There can be no other "active," MAJOR romance. Minor romances (Kelly, Allers) don't matter; strangely, even Thane having been romanced doesn't seem to matter but I tend to think this might be suspect and a result of using the Editor; also, former relationships that have since been ended don't interfere.
2. Party MUST end on the Energetic version (it can start Relaxed); aka, Shepard has to be drunk to want to sleep with Four Eyes; this requirement I'm most sure of being reliable
3. Many sites claim Javik has to be the most-used squadmate but from using Gibbed Save Editor to vary Mission Count and Friendship Level, it doesn't seem to matter, because I set those to zero or near zero and the wake-up scene still occurred

Ale89515 (talk) 01:48, 11 February 2021 (UTC)