Talk: Kaidan Alenko

Why no picture? Seriously?

Actually, it's weird: for some reason, Kaidan seems to be the only member of the squad who doesn't appear in any promo pictures or screenshots. This is about the best I've seen and a) it's more a shot of the three of them and b) it's not a particularly good picture of Kaidan, so it didn't seem worth putting up. *shrug* -- Tullis 10:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

If the game were ever to be made into a film I think Kaiden would be the one who dies on Virmire. Why? Because he's something of a dead-end character, unlike Ashley who has some serious depth to her. Plus, he was the first to volunteer for the Salarian mission and from that moment on I got the impression he was gonna croak (this was my first playthrough and I deliberately avoided learning the plot so that it wouldn't be spoiled for me). Darth Raivon 22:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

True. I think the main difference is that Ashley's backstory is relevant, important, and leaves a lot of potential for the future, whereas Kaidan's backstory happened years ago and was mostly resolved by the beginning of the game, aside from being used to start discussions about politics. The only outstanding issue is with his migraines (which I was expecting to actually be an issue at some point, but apparently not) and from what he says to Ash, those are apparently getting better anyway. Tullis 08:11, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Plus, if they made a movie of the game, Shepard would probably be male and I have a feeling Ashley would be the logical choice to have around on the way to Ilos. It's funny, though – to me (on my first playthrough), Ashley seemed pretty fey, what with all the Tennyson and God stuff going on… ShepardWhyThisJubilee 06:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it's what you say is True, SWTJ, and it kind of makes me sad because this is a multi-canon game and i think they should honor the fact that they do have a strong male character but not necessarily in the commanding position. I thought Kaidan was way more useful and way less annoying in the storyline I played. I understood and liked Ashley but I hated the fact that I had to choose between both when I went to Virmire and much rather would have unloaded one of my alien friends in the plotline *coughcoughLIARAcoughcough* I thought he was a much needed character and one I as a military dependant saw fairly regularly. I think they did a good job in portraying him and we just got one small thing of his background. I would love to get some more . Saffira Shepard 9:50, 03 August 2009(UTC)

Well, I guess we'll see more of him (in carried-over saves, at the very least) in Mass Effect 2. But yeah. Kaidan and Ashley had a really nice dynamic (that we got to see so much of at the beginning in particular, before anyone else joined the party), and it would have been fun to have that all the way through. ShepardWhyThisJubilee 04:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm personally glad i saved him, because he's very sweet character and his background I had a feeling that there was more there and that it could have been used. And I definitely agree with how dynamic both characters were. I loved Ashley and I loved Kaidan and how they were ingrained in the job and they knew exactly where they stood. Because we always have that on the fence character in these games and this game didn't have that which i was happy about. And I definitely loved the relationship of the human trio. I mean I loved Kaidan and Wrex in my party because those two also had a very interesting dynamic but i would have rather gone through a lot of the game with the human trio. Saffira Shepard 9:02, 04 August 2009 (UTC)

There was a lot of chemistry / camaraderie between the three human characters. I think it was going through Eden Prime and the initial stages of the Saren investigation together; Shepard, Kaidan and Ashley also play off against each other quite well, personality-wise. Maybe that's why they have all those extra titbits of dialogue on some Citadel assignments. It underlines that they're, in many ways, the newcomers to the Citadel and the greater galaxy--I guess that's why we feel such a bond to them, because we're learning as they are. I saved Kaidan because I like him more as a character (and a biotic officer is too vital to sacrifice). But I also feel like Ashley's sacrifice means more; her act of heroism did more than save the mission, it vindicated her and her entire family's honour. --Tullis 14:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Renegadeification

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo7B5O_dg1s

Could possibly get some better mention then what I put in and maybe research into what happens if you paragonify him instead.--Skarmory The PG 23:30, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Paragonification just involves talking to him normally, I think. You need to have Renegade conversation options to even start to Charm or Intimidate him. Also, watch posting vids on here. --Tullis 23:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Going by that vid, it just took two Renegade options, no Charm/Intimidate, until C/I showed up. And why as for the vids, curious? ~-- Skarmory The PG 23:36, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

One of Kaidan's cousins has an agricultural business?

Where is this said? It's not sourced, so I thought it could of just been vandalism, but I wasn't entirely sure. 68.4.1.108 01:14, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Trivia: - Source: Noveria debrief if Ethan Jeong makes the biggest and last mistake of his life. (BTW, all it took to find that was 5 seconds on the history page for the article) SpartHawg948 02:07, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Kaidan Alenko Scholarship

Not sure if this should be put in the trivia section, or the Mass Effect 2 section, but If Kaidan was left to die on Virmire, then you will hear a news story during the course of Mass Effect 2 (via the Galactic News consoles) about a scholarship made in his name for biotics who wish to enroll in the Ascension Project.

Kraldor 07:49, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Relationship with Kaidan in Mass Effect 3

I wonder if it'll be possible to complete this relationship to it's very end, as the mail after Horizon suggests. Provided, of course, the ME3 will have somekind of happyend(eg. Shepard will live and Alenko won't die during some of the secret missions Alliance keeps sending him on, or he won't sacrifice his life for Shepard's).

Personally, I think there should be at least something more to it than that longing gaze at his photo before Collector base.

195.168.209.2 21:31, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

I have a question. It says, on the page, that Kaidan is a romance option for both male and female Shepard in ME3. Now, I this is the first time I see it. There was loads of speculations about it, loads of vids proving that male Shepard had fully voiced romance conversations with him in the first game, and so on. But I've never seen any mention of him being an option for male Shepard before, other than countless fans wishing for it. Hell, I wished for it as well! But! There is no citation attached to the statement that he is, indeed, available for my lonely, gay male Shepard. And I mean officially available. No modding any of the games and transferring his modded same sex romance, because then, it's not really official, is it? Can I ask where this info comes from? Loethlin 21:28, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

I was curious as well. Perhaps someone has gotten far enough into the game to know for sure, but my gut says "Citation needed." Icecrystal2k 16:48, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I have finished Mass Effect 3 and successfully romanced Kaidan as a male Shepard. You start a conversation on the Citadel Presidium I believe, and he eludes to possible feelings with you and you can either confirm them or say you just want to be friends. When I did confirm them, the paramour attachment unlocked and there was a love scene later on before the final battles. I had not romanced anyone in ME1 or 2 though, so I'm not sure if that affects it or not. 98.237.138.168 00:49, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

As far as romancing Kaidan as a Female Shepard, I've noticed two things that were quite humourous. If you romanced him in ME1 and stayed faithful throughout ME2, accepting him back onto the Normandy in ME3 will result in Shepard taking a moment to ogle his rear end. Looks like she's of the same mind as most fans. The last little thing I've found (so far) could be regarded as unique dialogue - on board the Normandy in between missions (after re-establishing the relationship), a short dialogue in the lounge went: Sherpard: Hey Kaidan. Just checking in... Kaidan: You know, you didn't wake me up last time. Shepard: Didn't have the heart. Kaidan: Aw, well next time, wake me up...

Looks like they didn't take long catching up. 121.212.136.234 10:56, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Kaidan's rank

When I corrected Kaidan's Mass Effect rank from 1st Lieutenant to Staff Lieutenant, I wrongly wrote in the summary that the 1st Lieutenant rank doesn't exist in the Systems Alliance. It's clearly listed in the Codex entry. Nonetheless, I am sure that Kaidan's old rank was Staff Lieutenant and not 1st Lieutenant. Seburo 20:14, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

How can we be sure what exact rank he has? Is it ever stated? Likewise, how can we be sure he is a Staff Commander in ME2, and not a Liutenant commander like Shepard?71.234.106.119 19:35, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Because after you meet him on Horizon, if you talk to Joker he says, "It was good to Kaidan- I mean Staff Commander Alenko, again."

If you visit Anderson before Horizon, Shepard can ask, "What happened to Staff Lieutenant Alenko after the Normandy was destroyed?" Anderson will reply, "Staff Commander Alenko is still with the Alliance, but he's working on a special mission." —Seburo 05:06, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

In a beta version of ME3 when Shep and Anderson are escaping Earth, Anderson addresses Kaidan as "Major Alenko" So unless this will be changed in the final version, I think it's fair to assume between ME2 and ME3 Kaidan was promoted from Staff Commander to Major, just as Anderson refers to Ash in the mission as Lieutenant Commander Williams.

We don't include content from the leaked beta.JakePT 09:08, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Well then check this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1839558/fullcredits#cast It confirms on IMDb that Kaidan is a Major and Ashley is a Lt. Cdr.

Actually that confirms nothing. IMDb is like a wiki and relies on user-generated content, and therefore is not an acceptable source by itself. Find another source, that isn't tied to the leak and is a reliable, independently verifiable, source, then we can talk. Until then, no change can take place as the information is invalid. Lancer1289 12:49, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

No it's not. Imdb only publishes sourced and verified information. Try updating a page that isn't your own, or even then try it without a paid subscription. Only half my credits were accepted for my page, those which were "verifiable" and not including any of my uncredited and/or indy work at all.

so in me3 he's a major... that makes him Shep's superior officier... everyone gets promoted like hell (2-3 ranks since me1) and shep not. seems legit? and this is just stupid plotwise 88.132.143.125 20:40, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

I have convinced myself that Shepard's parents simply named him/her Commander because they didn't really have very high hopes for him/her. (though I selected Revan as my first name and my partner selected JC. You know, on account of.)66.68.51.107 15:05, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

Several hindrances to Shepard's military career: 1. broke the Normandy out of lockdown against orders, 2. died, 3. joined Cerberus, 4. obliterated a Batarian colony. Damn it feels good to be a Spectre. --Tornredcarpet (talk) 03:35, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Biotic Charge?

The article states that "When the turian pulled a knife, Kaidan lost it and hit him with a full biotic charge, breaking Vyrnnus' neck." When does he ever say that he can do a Biotic Charge? The page for Rahna states that "Kaidan retaliated, lost control, and accidentally killed Vyrnnus with a "full on biotic kick"."

I don't have conclusive evidence either way, but I'm sure he says a 'biotic kick' in ME1, and that the whole 'Biotic Charge' thing only originated in ME2. --Captain Obvious au 04:51, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that will be fixed in a minute. Lancer1289 05:00, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Suspicion...

He was frozen by the collectors with the other humans but wasn't taken away with them, and he magicly isn't frozen anymore right after Shepard kills all the collectors. Very suspicious. If Harbinger can control individual collectors, what's to stop him or some other reaper from controling Kaidan? It just doesn't add up to me. MarcoDelMarco 23:03, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Because if they could control Alenko (or Williams), it would make more sense for them to make it look like Kaidan (or Ashley) had been captured. Then they could use Kaidan as bait in an ambush, one that TIM couldn't very well stop Shepard from walking into. It doesn't make sense not to exploit that relationship by using Kaidan or Ashley as bait. SpartHawg948 23:05, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Frankly it isn't that suspicious. It means that they may have been far from the spaceport, and the Collectors left before they could get to either Kaidan or Ashley. We know Harbinger can control the Collectors, but that is like because the Reapers had 50,000 years to mold the Collectors into perfect, or near perfect tools for them. Most likely they have implants that allow Harbinger to control them. I am beyond all doubt that the Reapers cannot control anyone apart from the Collectors and anyone under Indoctrination. As to Kaidan waking up, see my comments about him getting left behind, and probably the effect wore off when the Collectors left. After all, there was about 2/3rds of the colony left after they left, the rest stay frozen? I doubt it. Lancer1289 23:11, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Ahh. I hadn't thought of that. Oh well...Thought that would be something epic for ME3 or something, but I guess not. Darn wishful thinking. MarcoDelMarco 01:56, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thats inacurate because Saren was controled by sovering in the end thought he was dead in the end, still its possible to assume that they might have been indoctrinated or had some control mechanism implanted on them that they are not aware of. --Muria 01:53, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Another Possible Meaning/Name Origin For Kaidan?

Ok, I know that Kaidan is apparently Japanese for 'Ghost Story', but here's something I've recently stumbled upon: Caden is an old Irish surname that means 'Little Battle'. It officially has several variants of spelling including Kaden, Kadan, Caiden and Cayden, but also accepted are more modern spellings such as Kaden, Caiden and of course, Kaidan. Think this should be put into the trivia or no? --Soren7550 01:15, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I'm going to have to say no. There is literally nothing connecting them and it is an alternate modern spelling of something that has a lot of variants. There is a lot less to connect these two than the current trivia with literally the only thing being a variant spelling on something that isn't trivia already. The ghost story thing isn't trivia already and I believe that should say something. It isn't trivia because literally all that connects them is a name, and this trivia has even less support than that. Lancer1289 01:24, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Is there a source for this? I'm a bit skeptical, as there generally don't tend to be that many different spellings of surnames in Irish (being something of an Irish surname buff) and none of the ones listed above really seem... legit, at least not for Irish Gaelic. (For example, my mother's side of the family is the O'Grady family. The original form of this name is Gradhach, and from that O'Grádhaigh. Alternate spellings are O Grada and Ui Gradaigh. See what I mean about the spellings and sounds not seeming right?) And for what it's worth, while it's rather hard to get a good Irish translation (I know some people, so I'll ask, but it'll take a bit), the (modern) Irish word for battle is cath or briseadh, and the word for little is beag. It's hard to see beag and cath coming together to form anything like Kaidan. In the interests of being thorough, I tried "skirmish" (a skirmish being, quite literally, a 'little battle'), and it's scirmis. SpartHawg948 06:07, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

• Addendum - So, just heard back from a guy I sorta know (I "internet know" him) who speaks fluent Irish Gaelic, and it's about what I suspected. Little Battle (in modern Irish Gaelic anyways, which isn't too far removed from the old version) is not one word. Nor is it Caden, Caiden, Cayden, Kaden or Kaidan. It's cath beag. And typically, as evidenced above, Irish words and surnames tend to get shorter as time progresses, not longer (O'Grádhaigh becoming O'Grady, and so forth). SpartHawg948 07:47, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Well I guess that seals the deal in this case. Lancer1289 16:18, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Spectre

Ok so same thing as Ashley is it confirmed that he will be a spectre in ME3?

Yes from the same source. You can read more about it here. Lancer1289 03:19, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Kaidan is Captain Pike.

Upon seeing Captain Pike's appearance in "The Cage" and once again in the Menagerie episodes in Star Trek, the original series, I was convinced Kaidan Alenko was actually a Star Trek crossover in Mass Effect. Unfortunately, I quickly found their personalities to be night and day. Check out the apparent inspiration for Kaidan's design, though~ (http://i54.tinypic.com/2agjhux.jpg).

That still is taken from "The Menagerie Part Two", so this Pike was played by either Jeffrey Hunter or Sean Kenney. Guess I'd have to check out the credits to find out who's Kaidan in real life, huh? Since Pike actually has three actors, maybe there are three Kaidans wandering around out there...173.25.42.227 15:40, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

So this is all based on a visual comparison of a character in a game, and a person who was in a TV series over 40 years ago? Well, that isn't grounds for trivia, and something like this belongs in a blog or forum post anyway. Lancer1289 16:22, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Kaiden Picture

I've found a decent pic of Kaiden for when ME3 pics go into the articles (If its Sufficient quality anyway)--DC 01:29, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

File:1775328-kaidan.jpg

That image however is now up for deletion as it is basically a duplicate of File:Kaidan ME3 Character Shot.png. We don't need two images of the same thing, especially when one isn't sized right. Lancer1289 01:33, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ok I didn't know their was already a Kaiden Mass Effect 3 pic present I checked his article. Searching through all the wikis pics is unrealistic every time I upload (unless theirs a search bar?) so I would not have that Knowledge no?, had I known I would not have uploaded it, it was also the largest and best quality pic I could find at sites my Internet security deemed secure & safe.

I did say in my message if it was of sufficent quality, I placed it on the talk page for its suitability too be judged the same as I always do before inserting pictures. I was told too insert the pictures on their relevant talk pages rather than on admin/user/my own talk pages is this incorrect?.--DC 01:49, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

If necessary, a link to the picuture, not the actual picture itself. Pictures break up the formatting of pages, and talk pages in particular. Lancer1289 02:11, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Redundant shot? - Trivia

Noticed there's a shot from the Codex of a biotic which I believe most consider him to be a shot of Kaidan. However, in the article overall itself, we have another picture that is used for Kaidan using his biotic abilities. Might be a bit redundant to have that down there and looking a little odd with the character shot in the ME3 section. It looks a little odd down there, as otherwise the article flows nicely. Additional: actually checked the image itself, it's described as 'a' biotic, but not Kaidan down there in trivia. Not removing it since it might be seen as a bad edit. >_> --Aryn2382 20:33, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Canadian or American?

I've been trying to identify his accent for quite some time now. Sure, actor is American, but since Kaidan's dad lives in Vancouver I figured maybe he could be Canadian. --Hawkins437 23:14, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Things like this belong in the forums or in a blog post as this isn't what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 23:21, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Irrelevant in the ME universe, anyway. Canada doesn't exist anymore. It's all part of the United North American States (speaking of which, why isn't there a page on the UNAS?) 24.247.162.139 05:55, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Because there wouldn't be enough information. Things like that should just be blurbs on the Earth page.--Xaero Dumort 06:49, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

    I like how you say Canada doesn't exist but you don't mention America not existing either. From the stories I've read America fell apart, while Canada and Mexico still existed. So, that statement about Canada not existing is worng.

This isn't the point of a talk page again. Either take it elsewhere or stop commenting. Lancer1289 (talk) 04:11, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Don't be rude.

Don't break site policy. Lancer1289 (talk) 04:15, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Does Kaiden....

Need to be actively in the squad in order to romance him? Or do you simply just keep talking to him after the story missions?

Keep talking to him after the story missions. Whether or not you take him in your squad on missions doesn't affect the romance. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:45, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

In fact, none of the squadmates need to be in the missions to be romanced, but more dialogue options open up for a few should they be in the squad at certain points. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 22:01, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Talking

When ever I talk to Kaidan he turns then its says loading, then I get the conversation wheel. Is anyone else getting this or is my game really that buggy? Voy101 17:39, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

This is something that happens every time that you can have a conversation with him. It's just how the game was set up. Mass Effect had a lot more of those screens than ME2 did. Lancer1289 17:43, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Update Mass Effect 3 Photo?

Ok, recently Mr. Sbarge was sent a photo from BioWare of his character, from the knees up. Should we use this photo in place of the headshot that is currently in the article in the Mass Effect 3 section? (see the photo here [1] ) --Soren7550 23:05, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

The headshot is from the same image, which has been floating around in one form or another since last May. Using the larger image in the article wouldn't be beneficial because it would be too large for the ME3 section, and the image itself appears to be "staged" or produced for marketing rather than an in-game screenshot. Even if we opted to use this image, it would likely be replaced once we have ME3 itself to work with. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:12, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Of if we get a decent shot from a decent trailer. Lancer1289 01:01, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Game's out now, so should I/someone else hunt for a better picture? --Soren7550 22:30, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

1st Biotic Special Forces Company

Where did you guys find the info on this?Cpl Lucas96 23:41, February 28, 2012 (UTC)Cpl Lucas96

From the ME3 website. Lancer1289 23:45, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

ME3 Powers?

...So, of all of the dedicated editors here, no one has bothered to play through the game with Kaidan as a squadmate to see what he can do in ME3? Seriously? I know you guys are all excited at the game (I am too) or pissed at the ending (I am too) but... 75.185.74.158 01:35, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

And there is no excuse for violating our language policy. And why not add them yourself instead of other demanding that they do the work for you. Lancer1289 02:08, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Because I don't have a file with Kaidan alive in it and I'm curious is all, dude. Sorry about the language. Not asking anyone to do the work; just wondering why a place that prides itself as the bastion of all info Mass Effect-related lacks a pretty important section on a character's gameplay two weeks after the game's release. 75.185.74.158 13:10, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

It's going to be months before we have everything documented. There are still many things that aren't even written yet. Why does everyone assume that within an hour of the game's release, we will have everything documented? Lancer1289 14:26, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

I'm a little confused. It is stated on the page, what Kaidan can do. His powers and weapons are linked to, his plot in ME3 is described... What is the problem? Unless this one wishes to know what powers Kaidan grants. It's Barrier and Reave. --Loethlin 14:57, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

They weren't there when I first posted is all. And again, this is an early squadmate that is probably present in around 50% of people's files, not some obscure war asset tucked away in a system only accessible after Cronos Station. I had only played through the game with Ashely, so I was curious what Kaiden had to offer, since the game seemed a little light on biotic squadmates. Now I know, and for that, I thank you guys.75.185.74.158 17:33, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Romance Section Quote?

Ok, was going to neaten up the ME3 Romance section and add some details, but I wanted to know people's thoughts of whether or not to include a quote relating to the romance, and if so what. If we do want a quote there, I was thinking of either adding "I lied, I didn't come up here for a quick drink." or his line about how he recalls that he was 'pretty spectacular' the night before Ilos (probably the former since some may think that the latter line is too crude and because it doesn't relate to a M/M romance). What do you guys think? --Soren7550 22:37, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

I'd appreciate anything being added to the ME3 romance section about the Male Shepard/Kaidan romance rather than leaving the two sentences about the relationship just being a possibility. I know most guys playing this are straight, but for the gays out there this was a great part of the story! I only signed up for an account to edit it myself, but if someone else is going to do it, it would probably be more in line with the rules of this wikia page. --Futurama10 01:48, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, a M/M romance with him doesn't play out that different from a F/M romance (aside from a few lines of dialogue), so I don't really think there's anything that can be added.

And on the quote for the romance section, I think we could maybe do with a different one. I don't know, I'm just not really feeling the current one that's up I guess. But if it's just me, I'll shut up.

--Soren7550 03:05, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Sound file name

Kaidan is also spelled Kaiden in the game files of Mass Effect 1.

In the Mass Effect audio folder mass effect\BioGame\CookedPC\Packages\ISACT Kaidans dialogue on the Normandy after the Eden Prime mission and before approaching the Oculon is labeled nor10_kaiden.isb

Probably a typo since the three other .isb files are spelled Kaidan.

Just a fun fact. (:

95.130.71.223 13:20, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

contacting Kaidan before the final battle in ME3

Can you contact Kaidan before the final battle, if you didn't recruit him in your squad? I assume that you can't, since in the version with Ashley alive, she is not on the list of people you can say goodbyes to, but I can't check since I don't have a playthrough with Kaidan alive. Can anyone confirm this, so that the information can be added to the page? --Ygrain 10:27, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Kaidan's New Rank in ME3

If Kaidan was a Major in Mass Effect 3 and Shepard was still a Commander, according to the alliance ranking system, wouldn't Kaidan outrank Shepard?

Kaidan outranked Shepard in ME2 already - he was a Staff Commander by the time he was stationed on Horizon, even if Shep wasn't technically Alliance at the time. Shepard's got a lot more Reaper-related baggage and experience riding on him though, which is why he's in charge. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 22:43, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

It actually has nothing to do with rank. Shepard is the CO (Commanding Officer) os the ship. Being in the military myself and knowing what I’m talking about CO outranks anyone else who may have actual higher rank. In any other circumstances, yes Kaidan would be Shepard superior. And I agree with the statement about Shepard knowing so much about the Reapers. So, do to this circumstances she’s in charge. --MAsseffectfreak (talk) 20:56, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

After his succesful mission on Horizon the hierarchy probably thought he deserved a promotion while Shepard, for helping Admiral Hackett on a personal matter and saving the world once more, was put in custody... I would certainly not join the alliance. I noticed everyone in ME3 was promoted (Anderson,Ashley/kaidan,Tali,Bailey,Garrus,Kirrahe, Grunt and others I forgot)... Everyone except shepard... What a loser--Croquignol (talk) 01:12, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

Remarks regarding Kaidan's lines if romanced, in the ME3 Extended Cut DLC -- do they go here?

In the Extended Cut, if Kaidan is one of the two squad members and he was romanced, he is the hurt crew member. Kaidan refuses to leave, Shepard insists, and both (finally) express their love for each other. I assume this happens with all other "in-squad" romance sub-plots (ones with squadmates available in ME3, so they can be fully continued/initiated), if taken on this mission. Thus, I'm not sure -- should this go here, or on the DLC page? Or, should it go on all romance subplot sections and the DLC page?

Or nowhere since it is trivial information. And remove the spoiler tag please. Lancer1289 20:24, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Is Kaidan N7?

Is Kaidan N7? I know it's never explicitly stated, but Kaidan's dossier does say that he's Spec. Ops, and I thought N7 was the Spec. Ops designation in the Alliance military. Plus, his 1st Special Operations Biotic Company is mentioned as being a covert operation, which, at least in the real military is considered Spec. Ops. Just wondering if anybody else has some clues or anything released from Bioware about the matter.

76.191.170.242 01:09, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

We have no further information. If it isn't stated somewhere, then we just don't know. Lancer1289 (talk) 01:45, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Kaidan's Face Model

I know tumblr isn't the best source for information but someone posted a message by a model named Luciano Costa that reveals he was Kaidan's face model. Now usually I wouldn't bring this up due to not only the source but by the fact that this hasn't been confirmed by Bioware yet, but he does incredibly similar to Kaidan so have to ask whether or not it should be mentioned on Kaidan's page that Luciano is possibly his face model.

http://gyfteda.tumblr.com/

http://markoberlin.zenfolio.com/p1037299862/h26CE6A82#h26ce6a82

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Luciano+Costa+Kaidan+Alenko&um=1&hl=en&biw=1441&bih=677&tbm=isch&tbnid=9HXV42dpdDwzwM:&imgrefurl=http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/7625879/2186&docid=CDaGcuMoIltONM&imgurl=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/AndrewMD/kaidancomparison.jpg&w=601&h=376&ei=pwIRULyJM4Wk9ATEkIHACQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=494&vpy=386&dur=1023&hovh=177&hovw=284&tx=138&ty=143&sig=105855467099541479723&page=3&tbnh=130&tbnw=208&start=52&ndsp=26&ved=1t:429,r:15,s:52,i:314

--W13opa fan (talk) 08:42, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Unless BioWare confirms, it's not going to be mentioned (much like the person that TIM seems to be modeled on [not his voice actor, some other fellow]). --Soren7550 (talk) 14:29, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

No where even close to reliable information. Get a much better source as visual comparisons like this are so not acceptable under any circumstance. Lancer1289 (talk) 15:51, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Kaidan's Sexuality

Considering that every other bisexual romance option lists the fact that they are available for both Shepard's in the preface, should Kaidan not as well?

Apparently my attempts at trying to shore up consistency between Kaidan, Liara, Diana Allers, etc this was has offended one user, so rather than get into an edit war I thought I'd see what the rest of the community thinks? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 98.143.10.210 (talk · contr).

Samara, Morinth, Kelly Chambers. none stated in the intro paragraphs that they can be romanced by both genders. though if you want to add it, do so. the main issue in your modification to this page is that we write articles in an in-universe feel. we don't write stuff like "in ME2 shepard defeated the human-reaper", we go out of our way to fit things right. call it ridiculous or overly contrived for a wiki but that's policy and it certainly contributes to a cleaner-looking wiki. just word your additions right, it'll probably be acceptable enough. we usually can clean things up but this time i'm very much busy with other wiki-related stuff so the responsibility for that falls unto you, the editor. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 07:55, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I'll just reword it. Could have said that was the problem all along. ;)

66.11.249.199 08:01, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

i was actually writing another block of text pointing out something i forgot but nah, the addition looks and seems acceptable enough. now, excuse me while i continue to find acceptable photos featuring blasto and prothy. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 08:24, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

And that is not permitted under site policy. That is information for ME3, which is not permitted in an intro paragraph that should be written for ME. Lancer1289 (talk) 16:28, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

And yet it is basic character information, which does belong in the intro paragraph. 66.11.249.199 03:05, March 15, 2013 (UTC) I should also point out that a character's sexuality is irrelevant to the plot, thus cannot be considered a spoiler. 66.11.249.199 03:13, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

it's actually a spoiler since we didn't know yet in ME that he also swings the other way. (we know from cut content but those aren't ever canon unless reincluded). that was what my intended block of text was about. to be honest though i always thought the previous version was neutral enough: "he is a possible love interest." doesn't indicate one way or another about his orientation, which is an ME3 spoiler.

take a look at the sovereign intro paragraph. it states he's just "a dreadnaught". proper revelation that he's a reaper falls under the ME spoiler heading. that's an article about sovereign, this is an article about kaidan. same logic applies. doesn't matter if the revelations are irrelevant to the plot, what matters is that the revelations are relevant to the subject.

see also Mass_Effect_Wiki:Manual_of_Style#Perspective. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 03:30, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps I should point out that the male Shepard/Kaidan pairing has been used in promotional material aimed towards LGBT-groups. Like when they marched through the San Francisco pride parade featuring the two on a giant banner. [[2]] You can't honestly consider this a spoiler when Bioware doesn't.66.11.249.199 03:44, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

irrelevant. out-of-universe information has no place in the article except character box and maybe trivia (though i seriously doubt the pride parade even warrants a trivia mention). and refer to the MoS link above. kaidan is a special case in that he's the only one (aside from possibly shep) who can go bi across multiple installments. that reveals something about the character that warrants a spoiler mention against all other considerations. srs bsns over a few words indeed. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 04:41, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood my intent. I was challenging the argument that kaidan's sexuality is a spoiler, because once it's used in promotional material for the game it becomes a selling point, something Bioware wishes to make known to attract more customers. Because of this, Kaidan's sexual preferences cannot be considered a spoiler.

If the intro paragraph is to be spoiler-free in this way then stating any character's romantic interestes at all is a spoiler. To a player who hasn't played Mass Effect, revealing that Liara is open to a romantic relationship with either Shepard would be considered a spoiler. Which pretty much means every romanceable characte on this wiki has a spoiler in the intro paragraph on their page simply by because the paragraph informs readers of their sexual preferences. The only difference is no one is challenging this issue on any of the other pages. Granted, Kaidan's situation is slightly more complicated, but I'm beginning to sense a bit of a double standard here. Either all love interests should be susceptable to this rather strange rule, or none of them should. -66.11.249.199 05:31, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

again, take a look at the manual of style on perspective. kaidan was introduced in ME, and in ME we didn't know he liked sausages (or if he even liked sausages then for that matter). therefore we write his intro based on knowledge initially from ME. take up the rest with lancer since he's the guy who reverted your edits. i'm only pointing out why kaidan's bisexuality should probably be under ME3 spoilers under perfectly logical in-universe circumstances. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 06:18, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

I have read the MoS and should probably point out it doesn't state that every case must follow this rule exactly. I firmly believe Kaidan's sexual preferences should be made known in the article preface, just as every other romance option is. Not only does including it ensure consistency with all other romance options on the wiki, but it provides a useful bit of basic character information to readers who otherwise wouldn't spend their time reading the entire page. Removing the edit because of spoilers is laughable once you realize we're debating on whether Kaidan Alenko likes sausage (as you put it) is a spoiler. Clearly if it is acceptable to state the sexual preferences of every other romancable character in the preface - which itself could be considered a spoiler according to the broad definitions in the manual of style - it should also be acceptable to inform readers of Kaidan's as well. I'm going to add the edit again, phrasing it differently. But honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if I check back tomorrow to find that someone else has removed it for debatable reasons. -66.11.249.199 06:45, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

If all the other romance's pages fail to point out their sexuality in their introductory paragraph, then I don't see why it has to for Kaidan. Kaidan's sexuality should be kept to the Romance sections of the article anyway. --Soren7550 (talk) 14:45, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

But they don't fail to point it out. Every bisexual character's wiki page states that they are available for both Shepards except for Kaidan. As far as I know, every romancable character regardless of sexuality has this information in their intro paragraph. Not including it here makes this page inconsistent with the standard set by the dozen or so other sexable characters. -66.11.249.199 15:03, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

actually there are some character pages that do not list the romance abilities notes in the intro. Garrus and Tali for example. The trick here is that Kaidan is only romanceable by male Shepard in ME3, as a result, like Garrus and Tali's availability for romance in ME2 and ME3, it should be mentioned in the ME3 section of the page, NOT in the intro. Garhdo (talk) 15:09, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

It really doesn't matter if it is listed or not, however what the point here is whether or not it is a spoiler. In this case, it is a spoiler and therefore does not belong in the intro paragraph. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:27, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Once again I would like to point out that EA has used the male Shepard relationship in promotional material, thus it cannot be considered a spoiler. 66.11.249.199 07:29, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

the intro paragraph is for Kaidan's first appearance, in this case ME1. As a result it is a spoiler for ME3 and will be listed there. NOT in the intro paragraph. Garhdo (talk) 14:38, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Trivia

About the L3 vs L2 amps entry in Trivia: I noticed that someone wrote down that Shepard had L3 biotics. My memory is fuzzy on ME1, but in ME2 and ME3, Shepard definitely has L5x (adept) or L5n amps. Did this conversation occur in ME1? --Tornredcarpet (talk) 03:42, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

As I recall, no such change is ever mentioned in ME1. I do remember Kaidan stating that Shepard is an L3 in ME1, but this is changed by ME2. Maybe Cerberus upgraded Shepard's implant during the Lazarus project? Just guessing here. - 66.11.249.199 03:52, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Shepard is an L3 in ME1, but he/she is stated to have an L5x or an L5n implant on the class selection screen at the beginning of ME2. Lksdjf (talk) 04:29, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Right, which is presented as part of Shepard's reconstruction in the Lazarus project in ME2. Is it safe for us to assume it was a Cerberus upgrade then? 66.11.249.199 05:58, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

That would be my guess as well. I can't say for certain, but the likelihood of Shepard getting it elsewhere is essentially zero. Lksdjf (talk) 06:30, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Kaidan's Facial Model

Looks like we know who Kaidan's facial model is, Mr. Luciano Costa. [3] So, should we put this in the trivia section, the open paragraph, or in the character infobox? --Soren7550 (talk) 01:44, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

I've known this for a while, but I don't think we can count his Tumblr as an official source. Maybe you can find one of our valid sources mentioning it as legitimate? Trandra (talk) 02:01, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

As of right now, I can't find one, but I'll keep looking (understand the need for something a bit more official).

--Soren7550 (talk) 02:28, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, so Mr. Sbarge has now said it himself [4], sharing a picture that Mr. Costa has up on his Tumblr of him and Mr. Sbarge together.[5]

Good enough, or do we still need word from a bit more official source?

--Soren7550 (talk) 16:05, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Kaidan/Kaiden

About that information in the trivia : "His name is sometimes spelled "Kaiden" in external media (such as the Character Spotlight), but is always spelled "Kaidan" in-game." I noticed Kaidan is spelled Kaiden at least once in Mass Effect: when the Normandy approches the landing zone of Virmire, Kaidan says "Check out those defense towers". His name is written "Kaiden". Just a detail, not sure if it's worth mentionning.--Charoleia (talk) 19:42, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Trivia note modified. I also noticed this earlier, and it can bee seen here. Elseweyr (talk | stalk) 21:36, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

SO I found out that the domain kaidan.com is available.

Would be awesome if someone picked it up and created a community around it.

ME3 Headquote

Bit by the completionist bug, noticed there is no headquote for the ME3 section. Here are some nominations, with my preferred choice in bold (these ARE subtitle verified verbatim):

• Human biotics are--We’re different, freaks even. Most people in the galaxy still see us that way. But accepting it, embracing it, can be the difference between success and sitting at home in your PJs taking red sand.

• I need to do something, Shepard--to save at least a few lives.

• I want to kick the Reapers straight to hell.  Cerberus, too.

• But sometimes the way a thing goes down does matter, Shepard. Later, when you have to live with yourself. Knowing that you acted with integrity--then it matters.

• All seems so calm from here. There are people going through hell in a million different ways... out there. And I want to be fighting alongside them, but... I want to be here. You know?

Kaidan talking about "acting with integrity" feels the most emblematic of his character to me. After all, Udina called him "incorruptible." Ale89515 (talk) 00:30, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Any objections to the proposed choice? Ale89515 (talk) 23:10, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

gave up looking for one. nothing really stuck to mind for good or bad, which is also emblematic of his character. . . T̶͙̝͍̖̤̞͂̅̿̆́̕̚͝͡e̮̬͚̪͐̅̒̿͟͡m͚̮̣̪̟̦̫̺̝̏̍̄̾̅̽͂ͅp̶̳̥̣̥͓͆̃̋͊́̈̈́̊́̏o̸͉̰̞̖̖̰̟͂̉̈́̍̐͂̚̚͜͠r̛͙͇̦̈́̀̔͐̒͆̽͛͜͜͡a̵̺̣͕̗͗̇̅́̐͒͂̚͟r̺͓͕̰͙͚͙̋̏͐͌͂̍̐̀́̚y̴͉̜͎̜͙͍̞̠͊̄̃̍̋ͅͅḛ̴̙͉͙̠̐̿̄͗͆̈̽͞d̳̙̫͎̝̝̜̘̂̀̍́̀̇͗̄̕͜͟į̴̜̯̗̦̹̻̬̓́̀̓͛̓́̆̇͆ţ̸͍͔̠͍̐̋͋̑͑̉̀̀͞͝ǒ̧̱̣̠̲̣̜̤͙̉̋̾̄̈̕ṟ̛̦͕̖̗͖̱̤̰̪͛́̀̆̑̔͂̃̕7̨̮͎̤̣̞̣̦̞̿̾̓̊̏͑͗̾͌͜8̷̳̻̗̼̙͎́̄̔̀̓͘͝ . 10:11, 23 December 2020 (UTC)