Talk: Prothean

Capitalization

Interesting how they're always written as 'Protheans', not 'protheans'. Might be a title like that because they were so ancient, not a modern race like the asari. --Tullis 13:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Hm, it could also be a sign of respect considering that all the other species thought so highly of them. Digital Holocaust 00:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

All basic and advanced errors as far as I can see have been modified and, or repaired. Technological and Biological references that were either incorrect or improperly inferred have also been edited. --Delsana 07:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

as far as i remember the citadel and the mass relays were not created by the protheans, they were created by sovereigns race to manipulate the evolution of the species in the galaxy so they could exterminate them faster? can someone edit this as its stated in the opening few lines.

No can do my friend. That would be a spoiler, and spoilers don't go in the opening lines. Rule of thumb- the opening lines contain the info available at the start of the game (ie the info that would be "common knowledge" to the characters at that time). Info like what you are mentioning belongs in the main body of the article, preceded by a spoiler tag. SpartHawg948 10:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

yah just figured that out when reading the rest of it, sorry bout tht :D

Cro Magnons

So the Protheans studied the Cro-Magnons, which as we know are at least 30,000 years old. Now, at that time the Protheans would've already been extinct by the Reapers. We know early humans were around about 100,000 years ago. So it's likely the ME staff just assumed Cro-Magnons have developed at a certain (speculated, but no hard proof). The Reapers are said to execute all sentient life. So why were the early humans left to live? They were sentient.

It goes without saying that none of the surviving Protheans would've wasted time studying the Cro-Magnons.

They were sentient but not advanced enough for the Reapers to bother with. If they harvest technology and resources, Cro-Magnons wouldn't have anything worth the effort. Better to wait, let them evolve, then harvest them later. The Reapers have nothing but time, right? See also Talk:Reaper. --Tullis 22:04, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

True, but we don't really know what they do. I guess it's something that is likely to never be answered by ME.

I think "we don't understand why they do what they do" covers a lot of things concerning both the Reapers and the geth in ME. I actually like that, means they remain inexplicable and scary. : ) --Tullis 23:05, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Sovereign tells Shepard that the reapers use the relay system to ensure that societies develop along technological lines they desire. If the goal was simple genocide, they would have sterilized the galaxy outright. It's at least strongly implied that the reapers want societies to reach a certain level of technological advancement before initiating the cycle of extinction. Mistertriplesix 17:50, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

I think that that the reapers were the ones studying the cro-magnons, because A) The vision you experience on Eletania describes something very similar to an Oculus, and B) The reapers have a good reason to study developing races. 67.237.13.159 23:53, October 4, 2013 (UTC) 19:52, October 4, 2013

Appearance/Codex Picture

So, exactly what is the ME2 codex picture that goes along with the Prothean entry supposed to be? (It's at the top of the page.) I thought it was a Husk at first, but Husks look different (much more like humans), and the body shape is very similar to the ones in the vision from the first game. Is this supposed to be the Prothean version of a Husk? Or just a Prothean, period? UERD 06:17, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

I was confused about that too, but I believe those are Prothean Husks. When I first saw the Prothean codex at the beginning of ME2, I figured that we might find them on some planet. But after finishing the main story and all the other missions, I was disapointed to find nothing relating to the picture anywhere. (Or Prothean Husks.) This leads me to believe that there will be a DLC mission involving their remnants as Husks. It's possible, I mean, why else would they include that picture? And is it just me, or is the background of the picture Ilos? It could be another world, but the enviroment and the rusty skyline all seem like it. That would be kinda odd considering that it was spared during the Reapers' genocide, and the fact they weren't present in the first game. Anyway this is all speculation, and hopefully we'll get some answers soon. HK9592 09:38, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

We know from husks and dragon teeth are reaper technology. Perhaps the inclusion of a "Prothean husk" graphic in the codex entry implies that the reapers harvested that technology from the Protheans. Or perhaps the Protheans originally looked like what we call husks. Also of note, EDI states that the reapers were probably not able to use the Protheans in their reproductive cycle (so instead repurposed them into the collectors), but the statues on Ilos had the signature facial tentacles also found on Sovereign and other reapers. Not sure if that is meant to imply a direct correlation or just a coincidence. Mistertriplesix 17:44, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

I may be wrong, but on one of the side missions in Mass Effect 2, don't you find Dragon Teeth that are older (as in much older, millions?) than 50,000 years old? Maybe it's not Dragon Teeth, but I'm pretty sure it turned the researchers into Husks and Abominations. 148.66.21.170 05:39, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, that ^ was me. Doofusdude 05:47, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

How in the world do they look like the alien space jokey? The space jockey has a singular ant-eater like snout. A much more similar creature is the Illithids/mindflayers from dungeons and dragons(and baldur's gate/NWN series for that matter...)

I think the picture is a standard Prothean. If you look closely, you can see the 'face tentacles' that the statues on Ilos (and in Donovan Hock's vault) feature prominently. Still not sure if the dark covering (with all the lights) is supposed to be a veil or other piece of clothing, some sort of cybernetic implant, or part of their natural biology. My wild guess is that it was some sort of cybernetic implant that the Reapers later repurposed for use as the husk technology. UERD 16:26, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

The Husks created on the derelict Reaper would have been made with 37 million year old Husk technology meaning Prothean tech couldn't have been used in them. Qmwneb 18:23, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

True. I completely forgot about the derelict. UERD 18:52, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's a husk. All of the husks we've seen so far have been human husks, from what we can tell. So, of course they would look like humans in form, only mechanical and colored differently. I'd assume a husk from another species would like different from a human husk. So, a prothean husk would look like a prothean. Look at the eyes of the prothean and the eyes of a husk. Notice both have glowing eyes and the wiring above and below the eyes. TheUnknown285 18:25, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think its a Prothean Husk as well, but until proven otherwise, I'm just going to assume that the ME2 Codex is correct and the image is a Prothean. The people at Bioware will probably spring some clever story on us about the obvious similarities between this picture of a Prothean and the Husks. Qmwneb 16:30, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

About the fingers...I dont think that these long things are fingers of the prothean. They seem as plant tnings to me. If you see the prothean statue model in the UModel or extract it, the hands of the are not continue to these long things.

Check it: Prothean Statue Hands

SoulRipper 13:42, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Leaked spoilers from ME3. There is a perfect picture of prothean squad member. http://www.technologytell.com/gaming/87927/the-art-of-the-mass-effect-universe-edi-and-prothean-images-leaked/

I think everybody is forgetting that prothean 'husks' are just collectors, and we know what they look like so it's not that, and Javik proves that these aren't rotheans at all, or at least not the species of prothean that he is. Perhaps these were the first protheans, the ones that conquered all the other species and Javik's race is a kind of warrior caste (They are insectoid). 92.6.42.234 14:05, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

In Javik's dialogue he mentions that all races assimilated by the Prothean Empire bore the title "Prothean". It explained why 'Protheans' were the only spacefaring race of their time, and how there could be multiple appearances for them. An Arcanine (talk) 06:17, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Seemingly innacurate

There are two lines i have issue with, i am not sure there is any source for it "after several cloned generations" and "only one strand of their prothean dna remained" i dont reall anything saying they were clones, at least not specifically, and i dont recall anything about only a single dna strand being the same, i remember that there was enough dna left that it was determinable exactly what region of the galaxy that a specific collectors ancestors came from, and i think you need more than a strand to do that, i dont know how dna works. ralok 07:40, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Ok i am playing this part of the game right now, and according to edi the collector shared at least 2000 matching allele to protheans, i dont know what an allele is and looking it up on the internet only confused me, but it seems that more than a single strand of dna is similiar to the protheans, she was able to determine that this specific collector likely had ancestry from a group in the styx theta cluster, i think the range of genetic modification is being exaggerated slightly in this article. ralok 12:07, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

The line about the cloned generations of indoctrinated cyber-Protheans is spoken by Mordin at some point after his loyalty mission if you speak to him in the Tech Lab. He also mentions something about the enslaved Protheans transmitting data to the Reapers, but Mordin is difficult to understand sometimes :P Qmwneb 16:30, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

The collectors shared vast amounts of prothean DNA, the "single strand" was important because only the protheans had it. Thus, conclusive proof that the collectors were prothean. But most of their dna is likely the same.BeoW0lfe 13:34, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

DNA 101

Ok. So I am going to assume that you have made it through a 7th grade life science class but I won't expect too much. DNA is, in relevant terms, a very large structure. So lets imagine it as a sky scraper. If the Empire state building is a complete double helix if DNA then genes are the ladder rung life connections that hold the strand together. So effectively you can think of them as the steel girders that hold a building together. God is not disorganized... DNA is constructed in a sequence of chromosomes. Think of them as sections of entire floors in our building. If you group floors in a sky scraper into groups of ten then you get the idea of chromosomes. There are a lot of genes that go into the make up of each chromosome. Now that being said, genes are not the smallest building blocks involved. If we use the analogy of steel girders then we would have to consider the chemical makeup of the steel itself. Perhaps some of the steel was made in Pittsburgh, and some of it was made overseas... if you were to examine the chemical makeup of the steel girders you would be bound to find different chemical compositions in steel made in different places. This idea is not unlike the idea of alleles. Each gene in DNA can have a multitude of different alleles. These are among the smaller, more specific parts of DNA structure. So if you had enough genome data you could definitely isolate certain alleles as belonging to certain regions or ethnic groups, so that at the very least you would be able to identify a damaged DNA sample as belonging to a certain species. Which is what EDI did. To make this analogy more distinct in reference to our sky scraper you have to imagine that every building ever built is made from a distinct compilation of different steel girders. Essentially EDI was able to identify enough alleles to narrow the genetic possibilities. If you zoomed out on your imaginary mapr of the Empire State Building and considered that all the cities made on the east coast would most likely be made from steel that was forged in local refineries then you get the idea that much of that steel made around the same time would have similar make ups. And even over time certain chemical charictaristics would remain. Now if you talked to Mordan after the mission you would also have learned that the Reapers used cloning to turn the Protheans into tools. If you clone from a closed group of DNA you will over time eliminate possible gene connections and the "building" will begin to rot. When this happened the reapers replaced biological systems with technological ones as with any complicated endeavor, it is easier to repair a problem than it is to build a whole new sky scraper. After 50,000 years this meant that the Protheans ceased to be anything like a Prothean, save for outwared appearance, and thus as the tools of the Reapers they became known as the Collectors. Hope that clears up the "perceived problems."

Biology

the biology section contains numerous references to things which are not explained until further down in the article, such as the Eden Prime beacon and the Reaper building the Citadel. I considered moving the section below History to resolve these issues, but stopped when I realized that all other race/species articles followed a biology, history, culture pattern. it's not a big issue, but it makes the article read weird for a person who doesn't already know how it all fits together (e.g. a person who has never touched ME). I'm also thinking the line about them building large cities fits better under technology and would make the section spoiler free, but then it looks a little light on content for my eyes without it. Arbiter099 03:40, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Clean up: Prothean.

Just too many brackets in some places. Could someone clean it? -RS

You must be referring to the templates, it looks like the coding for them has broken. I'll look into it. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:38, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

This seems to have cleared up now, it was probably a temporary hiccup. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:38, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

Super weird. I made a null edit to the article which seemed to fix it. -- Dammej (talk) 01:40, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

That is weird. Found the same issue on Virtual Alien and a null edit fixed it. If this is a bug, it's very random in what it affects, other articles with the same templates look fine. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:45, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

A single species

If we ever need it, here it is: developer confirmation from Mac Walters that the Protheans were a single species, not multiple species using the same name. And we'll get to hear more about the Protheans in ME3. But I'm posting this here mostly to ensure we have it available should the species question ever be raised. -- Commdor (Talk) 21:00, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

• Spoiler*

I realize this is from a few months ago, but from the leaked script we find that both are actually true; the Protheans were once a singular race, but later, after their empire extended throughout the galaxy, many of the dominated races took the name Prothean themselves, and were assimilated into the empire.

• Spoiler End*

I've been.... Informed (To be polite.) that this wiki disregards spoilers, but regardless, it is canon, and something this plot relevant is not likely to change.50.53.96.99 06:50, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

We don't disregard spoilers as a whole, but we do prohibit leaked content from being incorporated into articles. Leaked content spoils the game for others before the game is released, and because it doesn't represent the final version of the game it can't be considered absolutely reliable. Rest assured, though, if this info is in the final game (I'm pretty confident it will be too, but again, we can't be certain) we'll add it in. -- Commdor (Talk) 06:59, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Precisely, we don't back away from spoilers, however we do not under any circumstances accept leaked information. Lancer1289 13:53, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Lancer (did i really just say that?!) this is somewhatof a spoiler, but it is logical and expected enough that I personally (cant speak for wiki as a whole) would accept it. However, leaks must be stopped. I will find things out like a man in march.

BeoW0lfe 13:32, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Prothean in Mass Effect 3

Someone got hold of the Mass Effect 3 art book and there is a concept art of an actual prothean squadmate that appears in the game. And he looks nothing like those statues.

http://s1167.photobucket.com/albums/q625/chassan1

I think the prothean page needs some rework after this...

88.112.99.72 22:40, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

We'll see about that after the book is out for everyone. As it is, this is technically leaked content unless BioWare officially made those pages available to preview somewhere. -- Commdor (Talk) 22:48, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

At least that wasn't the only thing there... not to say I'm exactly pleased that this leak existed. I would've wanted to wait until the game came out beforehand... too late now. I won't comment further; but it's interesting. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 03:38, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

I have to say, a orb like character looks better than I thought.```

Comments like this belong in the forums or the blogs as this is not what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 04:30, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, so BioWare did the sensible thing and made Protheans look kinda-sorta like Collectors. Good, good. - Sikon 11:14, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Im simply irritated that they gave EDI a body. I always wanted edi as as a squadmate, but as a hacking-sabotageing combat drone ally. Not a halo rip-off. Even though Mass Effect will always be better. As cool as mr.prothean is, a stasis pod that the reapers missed is unlikely, a tank clone(prothean grunt) on ilos however, to preserve prothean culture and gemetic information, being found and squadmated, is an intruiging prospect.BeoW0lfe 13:29, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

See my previous comment about where the appropriate place for this discussion is because this isn't it. Lancer1289 13:45, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

It is in the game, you can see its arm in the special forces trailer, it matches that leaked picture. Look att 1:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxxgC5bEvMw

The contributor is right, I can see the arm but that's still not enough for a page and it is still advisable not to put it in, as the game is out in a few weeks and many people would be annoyed to find this out early--TheExiledGear 17:32, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Keep leaked information off the wiki please, including as few links as possible. Lancer1289 17:36, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

I just got the book in the mail myself. Why can't we follow the citation rules that the real wikipedia uses and cite the actual book as a reference? The relevant page confirming the Prothean as a squadmate is page 142.Der Schreiber 17:44, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, because the book hasn't been released yet. It doesn’t get released until February 21st, so any information from it cannot be put on the wiki until then because it is leaked information, so you shouldn’t even have it. The fact you got it early tells me you got it through non-legitimate means as again it doesn’t get released worldwide until the 21st. No information from it can be used until it is released, not before via illegitimate means. And see what I said about leaked information in my last comment. Lancer1289 17:49, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

• blinks* It's not supposed to be out? I have the best Barnes and Noble ever. I paid for it and everything, so I didn't really get it through illegitimate means. But I can see about waiting until the proper street date if that's when it's supposed to be released.Der Schreiber 17:56, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Odd. If B&N delivers that quickly, I'm tempted to order from there, too. But the retailer I did order my copy of the book from says the release date is February 8th, not the 21st, and so does the BioWare Store. So wouldn't the 8th be the official release, then? -- Commdor (Talk) 19:59, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Curious. Both B&N and Amazon say the 21st, but even Dark Horse says the 8th. I haven't preordered it yet, and I'm starting to consider ordering it from another place other than B&N. Lancer1289 20:05, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Well... i better liked protheans when they were those tentacle-bearded thin creatures like the staues on Ilos... Mass Effect VS. Bad omens 0:1

You know, he could of been one of the scientists who awakened from Ilos and then went to the Citadel after the Reapers left. It's plausible, at the very least.--64.130.131.245 02:25, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Just some random viewer here, but it's definitely annoying to come onto the Prothean page to see at the top, a secret leaked character being spoiled without any kind of digression, or warning. This site is amazing,I wouldn't have expected something like that shouldn't be so open. --Verjal

It's not a leak anymore. The info is from the art book "The Art of the Mass Effect Universe", which was officially released last week. As for it being spoilers, I'm afraid it can't be helped. Disambiguation tags are necessary because the title of this article and the title of the character's article are so similar, and those tags must be at the top of articles to be of any help to readers. -- Commdor (Talk) 06:39, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, fair enough. I'll just be more careful until March 6th than. Thanks for the clarification. --Verjal

Codex Image

Interesting, apparently assuming those statues on Ilos and in the Codex were Protheans was speculation, something we shouldn't have done. Now the question is--what is that pic of in the (ME2) Codex page for the Protheans? --Commander Shepard 13:11, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Um nothing. Codex images are Codex images, nothing will change that. If an image is in the Codex, then it stays there, regardless of what happens later. Lancer1289 16:56, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

No, no--I was not implying to modify the Codex at all, that would be even worse because that would be assuming a retcon when we have no proof either way. No no, I was just pointing out that we were too eager to find out what the Protheans actually looked like in the first place and that we have been speculating all along--which I thought was frowned upon. I was also only making a rhetorical comment referring to the Codex if that is what the Protheans actually look like.--Commander Shepard 22:43, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps the codex (written as if in universe) didnt know what protheans looked like and assumed the ilos statues were prothean? Maybe they were popular art? Just means the codex was subjective, not that it needs to be changed.BeoW0lfe 16:08, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

[Removed due to leaks. I apologise for any offence caused, and my information was based on hearsay. I apologise and promise that this will not happen again - 20:58, February 21, 2012] --BewareofCrisps 21:56, February 8, 2012 (GMT)

DUDE, SPOILERS!. Have a little consideration, please.JakePT 07:23, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

He's actually got his info wrong, most of that isn't in the leaked file at all. On top of that, the new art book reveals that BioWare intended the Ilos statues to represent Protheans from the outset, although the design was kept vague because the devs didn't know how much they were going to show Protheans in the games. -- Commdor (Talk) 07:42, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Actually the prothean in "From Ashes" Talks about building the faclities of Ilos on top of the race that came before them the "inusannon" i believe. it could be ancient statues that the Protheans have placed their in honor to the Inusannon. -Arachon

Prothean Appearance On "From Ashes" Leak

As you should know by now, the existence of From Ashes was leaked to everyone on Xbox Live today. The banner showed the Prothean appearance that comfirms the appearance of The Prothean in the art book, and most likely it will be established as canon in Mass Effect 3. Can we set this image as the default image of the Protheans, or do we have to wait for an official Codex image? PARAGADE74 00:42, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

We're waiting for ME3 before revising the article, it should provide all the info and images we need. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:48, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

These two weeks are going to be the longest of my life. PARAGADE74 00:49, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

It seems silly to me that we are waiting until the game is released to change the image. The released art book states that the Tentacle creatures are not Protheans and the "From Ashes" DLC confirms that. This stuff isn't a spoiler and it's cannon. At the very least we should take the inaccurate Tentacle race picture off and keep it blank until the game comes out. 23:12, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe the tentacle race is the race that came (and went) before the Protheans. -- 16:24, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Because we do not accept leaked information under any circumstances. So currently anything that can be used, we can't because of site policy. Lancer1289 23:20, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

The art book isn't a leak and Casey Hudson confirmed the "From Ashes" DLC. What is the leak here? 23:23, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

(Edit Conflict) That's the problem, though, the same art book that shows off the Prothean squadmate also says that the Ilos statues are Protheans. It's better to wait for the game in order to see how to properly reconcile that conflicting information, there may be an in-universe explanation. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:29, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Now that ME3 is out and we've met and spoken with Javik, I think its safe to change the image. Also, I think Javik said that the ruins on Ilos were from a previous race, not the Protheans (who had built their own structures over the ruins.) --Adamantium93 21:45, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I would be remiss if I didn't point out that there is a HUGE continuity error with regards to the Protheans' physical appearance. The codex image in each game thus far (even ME3) has portrayed them as tentacle-faced humanoids resembling the statues on Ilos. The argument can be made that the codex is incorrect, as up to the point when Javik is discovered, no other known images of the species existed - HOWEVER this is incorrect assumption. In fact, the Protheans did appear in the flashback visions seen by Shepard, in which they are also depicted as tentacle-faced humanoids. The visions contain images of figures similar to the statues on Ilos, as well as several images of the tentacle-faced humanoids and corpses scattered about. One vision even goes so far as to show a tentacle-faced humanoid being morphed into a Collector (hinting at the transformation of the Protheans at the hand of the Reapers)… http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5135/5399246583_bdfd498df2_o.gif I would not assume that a Prothean archival device would show incorrect images of the race that created it, so this seems to suggest that either Javik is only one example of a very diverse race, or that Bioware is attempting (haphazardly) to retcon the conflicting depictions of the Protheans from the previous games. Until such time that proper canon is established, I’d suggest that BOTH descriptions of the Protheans be included in the “Appearance” section. TRON 18:49, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Article Text

"It is believed the Protheans created the Citadel and the mass relays"... no. The mass relays and citadel were only discovered by the Protheans and the civilizations before them...

And putting spoilers above a spoiler tag is against site policy. Lancer1289 16:24, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

The Statues on Ilos

Seeing the From Ashes DLC, Javik mentions that Ilos once belonged to the Inusannon, since we now know what the Protheans look like could the Statues be the Inusannon?? --DarthTomas 22:42, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

We don't know what they are. They could be another species that the Protheans absorbed. It is speculation. Lancer1289 22:44, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

The Art of the Mass Effect Universe states that the statues are of Protheans, and the visions that Shepard has when talking with Javik use the same imagery as the visions in ME (with the statue-like Prothean design). I think we're supposed to suspend our disbelief and think of the statues and Javik as essentially the same race. It may be possible that the statues represent a different species within the Prothean Empire, but that's speculation. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:15, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Doesnt that mean we should remove the Ilos pic from the top of the article and stash is somewhere --Stabber ApSig 03:37, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Eventually, yes. The statues still represent Protheans so we could keep that image there indefinitely as before, but since we have a real live Prothean in ME3, it's better to use screenshots of him. Once we get more images, we'll see about updating the page. -- Commdor (Talk) 03:41, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Didn't Javik also say that the Protheans also had other races in their empire, and all were referred to as "Prothean", when asked by Liara? Not sure if this is relevant, but that may clear up the image thing. User:RevanSentinel 15:39, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Indoctrination protheans because they looked like human husks Alertfiend

Yeah, that's what I think too. The statues on Ilos have all these weird tubes coming out of their eyes, nose, mouth, ears, and between the bones of their arms. Or maybe they're just statues of important Prothean old folks. 0_o

Ruins- Ruins everywhere!

The Reapers come every now and then, reap all advanced species, wipe every trace of them and then retreat- so, why are there so many ruins of prothean origin?

Have you ever read the description of every f* planet? On a whole bunch of them are traces of prothean origin, remnants that are 50k years abandoned etc and only very few state that there are ruins much older than 50k years.

Is it explained anywhere, why the Reapers cared so less when cleaning up the mess? I thought they'd wipe out any trace of anything, so that there wont be any clues of them.

This would be more appropriate discussion for a Forum post or User Blog post. Article talk pages are reserved for discussing topics which relate directly to article maintenance only. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:50, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Actually it makes perfect sense, human's only gained mass effect technology from reserves of Prothean data on Mars, If these had been destroyed by the reapers human adancement would have progressed much more slowly, they wouldn't have made contact with other races in the 22nd century and probably wouldn't have been deemed advanced enough for reaping (I.E the Yahg are a pre-space-flight civilisation that shows intelligence rivaling humans but have not been reaped in ME3) This would have given them 50,000 years more time to advance, on their own terms, not the route the reapers want all species to take to make the reaping easier. Thus the humans might be advanced enough to take down the reapers in the next cycle. Imaine the progress we made in 2000 years, imagine an extra 50,000 on top of that. Same goes for Asari with the beacon on Thessia and probably the same for other species even though we don't know where their mass effect technologies come from. 92.6.42.234 13:52, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

See Commdor's comment about where this belongs because it isn't here. Lancer1289 16:02, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Drell

I don't even know how to go to the forums from here but... figured I'd post this here, regardless. Sorry to anyone who thinks it'd be better on a forum rather than a discussion page.

Just noticed that the protheans share some common features with the Drell. The sensitive-looking skin at the neck. The vocal tone. The ability to sense the past, in some shape or form.

They also have a similar posture. Not checked limbs or anything but regardless. Think it's a co-incidence? Probably is but... there's quite a few, so who knows.

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Slightly off topic, but sometimes when Javik runs in from the side of the screen I think "AHH, COLLECTOR!" and almost shoot the poor guy. :( LordSchmee 20:44, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Topics like this belong either in the forums or a blog post as this isn't even close to being what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 20:45, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Talk pages aren't for talking about a character? That's strange. Not used to Wiki. xD Regardless, I've seen many people at least get replies for threads like this, figured if the rules were that lax, I'd get the same treatment. LordSchmee 21:39, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

No, they are for discussing article upkeep. That particular clause wasn't really enforced back then. Lancer1289 21:41, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. But it wasn't dated that long ago. Like I said, I don't know where the forums are from here... or didn't 'til I found it at the bottom of the side-bar. Seems like an awkward place to put it but bleh. LordSchmee 21:54, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Rachni

Prothean's fought the Rachni in their cycle, "You shouldn't be so anxious to face the rachni, They where formidable opponents, even to my people" - Javik Video as proof. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH-P29L2zCQ --Sca462069 17:34, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ilos description

Ilos - destroyed city with surviving subterranean archives

The current definition for Ilos. First it's a planet not a city, second it wasn't destroyed. Destroyed implies no longer existing. Since it obviously is still there unless I missed something (wouldn't be the first time) I believe it should be changed to "Ilos - Abandoned planet with surviving subterranean archives." And that the other thing, the archives aren't underground. During the whole mission on Ilos daylight was always visible. If anything they were at sea level, or whatever the Prothean equivalent of that is. I propose changing it to "Ilos - Abandoned planet with surviving archives"--BrewCrew4Life21 20:36, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

ME3 codex pic

What is the picture on the Me3 codex for protheans supposed to be? it looks like some weird tentacled husk, and definetly doesnt look lik Javik173.48.26.105 00:07, July 9, 2012 (UTC) BiggsAntilles

those are the statues on ilos. that's what we get for the codex entry since in-universe apparently nobody knew what protheans looked like in the flesh before javik turned up. bear in mind all codex entries represent an in-universe point of view on their topics. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ 00:15, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Staring Contests

I recall javik mentioning the staring contest note removed from the article. If i'm wrong please let me know before i re-add it. Thanks. BeoW0lfe (talk) 15:42, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

feel like an idiot. Misread the edit. Its there. BeoW0lfe (talk) 15:48, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Athame.

The tablets on Thessia clearly show Athame as a Prothean. Garhdo (talk) 20:08, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Artistic depictions of something aren't proof that it existed. You have only to look at the pantheons of real-world cultures to see that. Dialogue with Javik and the events at the temple on Thessia both indicate that Athame herself was little more than smoke and mirrors, a fictional persona created by the Protheans. Janiri and Lucen were apparently real because they directly interacted with the asari; they were Protheans who represented Athame and claimed to be her guides. But Athame herself never existed as a physical individual. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:22, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

I don't recall Javik ever hinting that Athame was not an actual person in th same spirit as Lucen or Janiri. Perhaps that more than one person assumed the identity, or that it was indeed a fictional person, but Liara suggests that Athame interacted directly with asari and Javik does not deny this. Garhdo (talk) 20:25, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Also just as Jesus of Nazareth is now believed to have been an existing historical figure, isn't it likely that Athame was as well? Garhdo (talk) 20:34, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Doesn't mean God or Zeus or Odin were ever real. Jesus is more like Janiri and Lucen in this case. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:38, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Javik stated clearly that Athame was a prothean. Also if not mistaken there are tables there which suggest Athame was also directly involved with what the protheans were doing on Thessia, just like Lucen or Janiri. --MasterDassJennir (talk) 20:28, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

I'm watching a video of the temple stuff right now, Javik hasn't once affirmed that Athame was a single Prothean individual. All events/miracles attributed to Athame were actually acts carried out by the Protheans in defense of the asari (they deflected an asteroid and fended off the Oravores). When discussing Janiri, Javik even says "He was no servant of an imaginary goddess. He was Prothean." When examining one of the murals of Athame, Javik calls it "Another one of your myths that somehow looks Prothean". He never once refers to Athame as if she were a Prothean individual like he does with Janiri and Lucen. -- Commdor (Talk) 20:38, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

And Javik says, "We were here in the beginning, watching you grow. Athame was us." -- Commdor (Talk) 20:40, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Damn, I didn't remember this. Guess my memory is playing tricks with me. Watching it on youtube now, guess you are right about this one Commdor. --MasterDassJennir (talk) 20:44, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough, yet presumably Protheans posed as Athame in order for their likeness to be transcribed and their actions noted. And I believe the imaginary goddess line was poking fun at Liara's religious viewing of events, similar to how a disciple may view the Bible in the present day. Garhdo (talk) 20:48, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

slavery?

Javik seems to point towards the protheans practicing slavery, should it be included or do you think he is joking?--FossilLord 02:19, March 18, 2013 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAhlcMDD4r0

It is never explicitly stated so therefore nothing can be done. Implications are not facts. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:27, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

He says it here. TheUnknown285 (talk) 15:55, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Zha'til, Reapers, and the Metacon War

An edit a few minutes ago by Commdor states that the Reapers' manipulation was what caused the zha'til to enslave the zha. I had thought that the zha'til had already enslaved the zha before the Reapers arrived. Indeed, the paragraph in the Background Races article we have on the zha'til seems to support my believe. An edit before that by TempEditor said that it is speculation to assume that it was the zha'til that the Protheans fought in the Metacon War. I am less sure that I was right about this one. At any rate, I am willing to defer to those who know better. I just want to make sure we're accurate both here and on the zha'til paragraph. If this is a case of different interpretations, then maybe we should come up with a more neutral wording. TheUnknown285 (talk) 20:04, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Listening to the source dialogue again (here and here), the timing of when the zha'til subsume the zha is ambiguous. They may have betrayed the zha on their own before the Reapers arrived, or they may have done so due to the Reapers' influence. Javik doesn't specify. I'll reword the article accordingly.
However, Javik makes no mention of the Protheans coming into conflict with the zha'til until after the Reapers arrived and subjugated them. Javik also never identifies the machine race the Protheans fought during the Metacon War by name (I speculate they were the "Metacons" and the war was named for them, just as the modern galaxy has the "Rachni Wars" and "Krogan Rebellions"). Barring clearer information provided by future ME media, this means there's no evidence for zha'til involvement in the Metacon War. -- Commdor (Talk) 22:11, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. TheUnknown285 (talk) 15:49, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Forging an Empire

This section is badly in need of an edit. It implies that the Protheans had advance warning of the Reapers, when there is no piece of dialogue or text in the games, books, or comics that implies that was the case. In fact the opposite is implied by both Vigil and Javik.

--Saren 07:06, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

the implied sequence of events did seem off. here are the facts:

• protheans studied primitives planning to incorporate them into the empire down the road (javik intro convo)
• javik addresses the asari's failure to be the present cycle's best hope (liara-javik confrontation)

For not doing more! You're a Prothean! You were supposed to have all the answers! How could you not stop this from happening? --OR-- You're Prothean! You're supposed to have all the answers! You should have stopped this!
We believed you would.
Long ago we saw the potential in your people. Even then it was obvious: the wisdom. The patience. 
You were the best hope for this cycle. So you were... guided, when necessary.

• vendetta on thessia never specified when the protheans learned about cyclical extinctions, nor if they were aware of the perpetrators before their arrival, nor whenever they discovered stuff for the crucible.

Our studies of past ages led us to believe that time is cyclical. Many patterns repeat.
Like the Reaper attacks.
And beyond. The same peaks of evolution, the same valleys of dissolution...
The same conflicts are expressed in every cycle, but in a different manner.
The repetition is too prevalent to be merely chance.
liara: We assumed the Reapers were responsible for the pattern.
Perhaps. Though I believe the Reapers are only servants of the pattern. They are not its master.
So who is the master?
Unknown. Its presence is inferred rather than observed. The only certainty is its intention...
Galactic annihilation. You now stand at that precipice.

PARAGON: There's still hope for this cycle. We need to know what the Catalyst is. Trillions of lives are at risk.
Trillions of lives are always at risk.
But if the Reapers have arrived to end your cycle, this discussion is too late.
We can break the cycle! We found your plans for the Crucible--we're building it right now!
RENEGADE: We haven't been annihilated yet. We're fighting the Reapers right now.
As does every cycle. But resistance is not enough. Conventional means will not defeat the Reapers.
We already know that. It's why we're building the Crucible. We found your plans.

The Crucible is not of Prothean design. It is the work of countless galactic cycles stretching back millions of years.
Each cycle adds to it. Each improves upon on it. Thus far, none have successfully defeated the Reapers with it.

given the ambiguity levels and general flow of the conversations, it's easy to see why overall they could've been taken to mean that there was advance warning. concerns are legit and addressed as of this writing. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 11:11, February 21, 2014 (UTC)