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Jenkins' DeathEdit

I am putting a note here for future reference on a change I made before logging in. Feel free to say I didn't do it, I have not the time to argue that. In Jenkins' death scene, he does actually receive a command from Shepard to go ahead to scout. It is a small movement near the left side of their helmet: they point. Two fingers, thumb in. It is an actually military command where silence and lack of movement are key. Used often in wars, such as the Vietnam war, by American Troops. IN this manner, his name may be a reference to the famed Leeroy Jenkins, but his death is not necessarily so.

There is much I could add about how Jenkins is a soldier, and would be trained to resist such urges to just run off without receiving a command, but that would be another waste of my time.OmegaVestor 02:46, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

While I appreciate that he was given the command to move forward, the 'Jenkins' skit probably refers to the manner of how he moved forward to point rather carelessly, walking straight out into the open. Any good soldier will tell you that's not the way you walk around a corner in hostile territory. --LeathamGrant 22:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Jenkins vs. WoWEdit

I have a couple of questions:

Does anyone have a verified source stating his middle name is 'Leeroy'? I have ony ever seen it written as Richard L. Jenkins within the game.

Does anyone have a quotable source stating his name is a play on Leeroy Jenkins? While I don't doubt it's probably true - it's the sort of thing that game designers love doing - it'd be worth seeing if we can find a reference. I **think** it was hinted at in one of the PAX2007 videos by an employee of Bioware demoing the early part of the game on the 360. Maybe if we can find and link to the video, maybe with a time index would that suffice?

--LeathamGrant 22:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Spoilers? Edit

In order to keep things consistent I removed something from the profile that might be seen as a spoiler. Please keep this in mind elsewhere. I also re-added the spoiler tag. Is writing his profile in past tense correct also? --LeathamGrant 16:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Fact tag Edit

There is already a link to Leeroy Jenkins' Wikipedia page which comments that he appears in other media, but I've added a link to so we get a list. Incidentally, it's not actually speculation to state that Leeroy Jenkins has been referenced in other games, such as Halo (which was originally mentioned and later removed). --Tullis 12:37, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Amazing, Halo referencing Leeroy Jenkins when Halo came out 3 years before WoW. Incredible foresight on Bungie's part! Honestly, is there a source for Richard Jenkins being a reference to Leeroy? I can see it as possible, but a confirmation would be lovely. I'd recommend that someone stroll over to the forums and ask someone from Bioware to confirm this reference. Otherwise, it's speculation. --anonymous 11:14, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Spectre Edit

Jenkins has the Spectre tag on his beret.

Think he's really a Spectre?

No, because that isn't the "Spectre tag", it's an Alliance insignia. He is an Alliance soldier, after all. Please compare the Systems Alliance and Spectre insignia. SpartHawg948 06:27, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

If the removal of the reference to the Allience Military Database is unneeded then I don't understand the need for the trivia at dealing with specter gear as well?

Because maybe it's an Alliance system, so why shouldn't have the Alliance insignia? The Spectre trivia is very valid because compare the Systems Alliance insignia with the Spectre - Master Gear insignia. They are very close with just a few minor differences. There is no reason to keep the Alliance Database one because it is again an Alliance System so it is redundant. The insignia of the organization that is displayed in the background while using that system, that's never been done before. Your trivia wasn't valid in September, and it still isn't now. Lancer1289 23:35, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Neither do I, actually (referencing the previous anonymous post). If the image on the Spectre - Master Gear page is any indicator, the logo on Jenkins' beret is not the same as the Spectre Master Gear symbol. And, once that is removed, pointing out that Jenkins (an Alliance marine) has the same insignia on his beret as the Alliance Military Personnel Database uses ceases to be anything approaching trivia, and becomes a statement of the obvious. Of course an Alliance Marine has a beret with an Alliance insignia on it. SpartHawg948 23:37, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly my point SpartHawg948. Thanks

Starting character death plot device of BioWare Edit

So how is that unneed to state this? Or is it any different than mentioning this StarTrek info?

Not talking about the issue itself here, I can say that the wording was confusing, at best. Let's look at it here: "The scripted death scene early in the game makes Jenkins the Mass Effect equivalent of a popluar BioWare plot device. Having a starting party member die in th first mission of the game." Now, take just the first line. "The scripted death scene early in the game makes Jenkins the Mass Effect equivalent of a popluar BioWare plot device." Spelling issue aside, it's pretty darn confusing. Jenkins is the Mass Effect equivalent of a popular BioWare plot device? But isn't Mass Effect a BioWare game? In which case, wouldn't Jenkins be an example of said plot device? Now, looking at the entirety of the quoted text, why the period? Seems a comma would be more appropriate, as there is no grammatical reason to separate it into two sentences.
The rest of it seems more subjective to me, but I'd be inclined to leave it out, as only three examples (Jenkins, Wilson, and Trask) hardly seems like a popular plot device. I don't recall, for example, any such early death in Jade Empire. It's more a common practice in video games in general than one limited to BioWare, and as such, I fail to see how it would be trivia. SpartHawg948 00:47, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Edited out Trivia Edit

Removed Trivia stating that Jenkins is the only Alliance Marine seen wearing a Beret, in recent Mass Effect 3 footage, there is an Alliance Marine wearing a beret as well.

Recent leaked footage. Even then, the trivia is still valid, but may have to be amended once the game is released. Lancer1289 00:23, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Beret trivia Edit

He is no longer the only Marine that we have seen, there are acouple in ME3 so i am removing the trivia about it. Alertfiend 07:38, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Reference to Leeroy Jenkins Meme Edit

Reference: Wikipedia article

The reference to that meme was never cited or sourced and other discussions on the wiki never mentioned any confirmation from the devs or writers of the Mass Effect series.

Like any other trivia item, this needs to be confirmed or at least voted on before adding it back to the page. --silverstrike 12:29, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Name Reference Edit

Until a source is presented, with a dev coming out quite clearly and saying that Jenkins is a reference to the WoW character, any further references to this will be removed on site with or without an edit summary. If anyone persists in adding the trivia, then they will suffer the consequences of edit warring. This is not trivia without a source and I'm sick of seeing users remove it. Lancer1289 (talk) 14:02, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Apologies Edit

and you still got it wrong. ME came out 2007, leeroy jenkins was oldmeme as early as 2005. a quick youtube search even turns up a vid from 2006. the issue here is not -that-, it's just that this wiki requires a properly sourced mass effect dev who flat out states that he's a homage to leeroy. nothing more, nothing less. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 11:34, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
And just to point out, that it doesn't matter "how many people think" it is, we don't decide trivia here based on popular opinion. If we did, we would have trivia sections longer than articles. Trivia has to meet the MoS, and this doesn't come close without devconfirmation. Get it, or stop adding it. Didn't I already say this in a comment above? Lancer1289 (talk) 16:09, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Finally, Dev Comment on Possible Reference Edit

Direct download link to PAX 2013 Saturday Mass Effect: Exploring the Universe panel

Direct quote, starting at 7:40, answering the question "So was Jenkins named for Leeroy?":

“Now, so people make that association, but I...I didn't do that. So I don't know. Like maybe the designer that named him did that, but for me, there is no... Sorry. There is no association between Leeroy Jenkins and Jenkins. That I know of. Like I said, it may have been an in-joke for the designer that built him.”

It is officially not a reference, so please do not add it in. (Unless you can find the anonymous designer that can confirm it.) Trandra (talk) 04:40, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Jenkins's Name Missing from SR-2 Memorial Wall in Extended Cut Ending SequenceEdit

Greetings, ME-Wikia Community!
I thought I'd mention that I added a note in the subsection of the main page regarding the absence of Jenkins's name on the memorial wall on the SR-2 during the Extended Cut ending sequence. Obviously, anyone can see this for themselves by playing through the ending sequence and looking for his name; however, one can also do a search on Youtube for "mass effect 3 ending extended cut" and watch the endings for oneself and see that when Shepard's name is affixed to the memorial wall, Jenkins's name is missing.
This absence of his name seems odd to me, as I would think that the designers of the game would still have all of the old models of the interior of the ship and that his name would still be up there in their files. But, maybe they did a purge of their files when the game was initially finished and then built it up from scratch again when people complained and begged for more closure. Regardless, it's still bizarre.
Also, I cleaned up the previous sentence in that subsection, as it had said, among other things, that the wall listed "fallen crew who served under her and her predecessor...." However, one does not serve "under" a ship; one serves "under" a commanding officer (as in "who served under then-Captain Anderson and then Commander Shepard"--which would be ridiculously awkward) or "on the Normandy"/"on the SR-2"/etc. So, "on" with ships, "under" with commanding officers. Just a minor clean-up job. Also, I added "members" because with the change to "on," the word "crew" by itself sounded awkward to me.
Finally, I generally adhere to the Chicago Press Manual of Style when it comes to my formal writing, and it calls for all names in the "possessive" (or genitive, for those with a background in either linguistics or the study of languages that use case-marking), even those that end in an 's' that is pronounced as a 'z' (or voiced--again for linguists), to take an 's' after the apostrophe at the end of the word. Of course, this is a minor quibble, and if enough people decide that "Jenkins's name" looks way too awkward, then I won't engage in an edit-war over it if someone decides to change it back to "Jenkins' name." Nonetheless, I thought I would at least provide justification for it if anyone was curious.
Thank you for hearing me out, and thank you to the community at large for providing such a wonderful resource that has helped me on more occasions than I can count! Balarick (talk) 06:02, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

this is just light youtube skimming as i don't have the time to dig into my saves for now. this seemingly proves your claim: . THIS clearly disproves it: . i've now amended your claim. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 06:13, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
Ah, thank you for finding that, as it's good to know that there is at least one iteration of the ME3:EC ending sequence in which Jenkins remains remembered as a fallen comrade! At first, I thought you outright removed my note, but then I saw that you moved it to the "Trivia" section, which is fine--and is probably a better place for it!
Thanks again! Balarick (talk) 06:08, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Richard L. Jenkins and WoW Edit

I believe that CPL Jenkins is a Homage to that awesome WoW video of Leeroy Jenkins. His middle initial is "L", and he was gung ho, just like Leeroy from the WoW video, and because Leeroy (in the WoW video) messed up the plan, many considered him a 'd'i.c.k. And remember a nickname for Richard is "'D'i.c.k."; hence, 'D'i.c.k. Leeroy Jenkins, who ran off and got himself killed in ME 1 ;) 17:18, January 4, 2014 (UTC)Nic Smith66.167.212.43 17:18, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

You may be right, but this matter has been discussed previously (see further up on this Talk page) and we'd need devconfirmation of the connection in order to add this to the article. Elseweyr (talk | stalk) 17:31, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
And in fact Trandra's post up there provides at least one Dev/Designer involved with that part of the game saying he wasn't aware of anyone intentionally making such a reference. Cattlesquat (talk) 20:16, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
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