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This user has made an edit to the Commander Shepard page which may be vandalism. If so, see to it he gets a good blocking.

Update: This user as well has done the same edit.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 11:09, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

the user [User:Empirical11] is changing images on Ashley's page to random images pls block him --Icemoomoo 14:14, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Finishing downed players

Since you removed my adding of the unique ability of Assault Troopers and Atlasi to execute downed players from both the abilities and the tactics section, please enlighten me where you would like to see it. von Boomslang 21:55, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Because it was also incorrect. Centurions and Phantoms can execute players, in addition to probably other things that will be made once the full ME3 online is live, so it isn't a unique ability. It really doesn't belong anywhere for those reasons, and it was questionable at best because I've seen troopers get hit with missiles and still execute someone. Lancer1289 00:35, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
In my experience, both Centurions and Phantoms will completely ignore downed players. Only Assault Troopers and Atlasi execute downed players, by means of boot and ground slam respectively. Phantoms meanwhile have the ability (along with Atlasi) to instakill players, which is a different thing entirely. And while I've no doubt that Geth and Husks will have their own instakillers and executioners (hell, I'm positive Brutes and Banshees are confirmed to be instakillers), these two are the only Cerberus mobs capable of performing an execution. - von Boomslang 00:47, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
And my comment still stands. It still isn't a tactic, and almost the entire thing had issues with it. Lancer1289 00:51, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


Thinking of becoming beaurocrat someday? I personally think you should be nominated as one. It'll turn out sucessful. Callofdutyeditor2011 05:04, March 5, 2012 (UTC)Callofdutyeditor2011

Not any time soon. There's just way to much going on right now for that to be in the near future. Lancer1289 05:09, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


Man, how about all the oncoming info today and having to revert some, eh? x_x --Aryn2382 19:48, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

What? Lancer1289 19:49, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
Bleh, sorry, I just realized how little sense that made. I was remarking on the sudden influx of additions in the last 24 odd hours, and having to revert some if not more due to the fact they're unconfirmed. --Aryn2382 20:22, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Normandy SR-2

Was it because the image was not from the Codex or because it wasn't from the official game? Just wondering

The second one more so as we prefer ingame screenshots over anything else. But the biggest issue is that is the lithograph that is included with the ME3 CE edition, and I know things like that generally can't be used without the permission of the creator/artist. I just don't want to take the risk which could get us into hot water. Lancer1289 23:13, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Ok.. I forgot about the whole copyright thing Thanks for clearing that up

Again, it’s just that I don't want to put the wiki at risk with something like that. I love the image, and will be seeing it first hand when I pick up my CE edition in six hours and forty minutes, but we prefer ingame shots, and unless I know with 100% certainty that we can use that image, I just don't want to take the risk. Lancer1289 23:21, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Reminder email

Did you get my reminder email? Also, be sure to email me when you go dark.
And are you psyched for ME3? The wait is killing me. It's always the last few hours that are the hardest. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:43, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Yes I did get it, however as of now, what I'm seeing is small spoilers, or things that I could have already interpreted by what I've seen. So I am currently rethinking my plans about going dark, or at least to what degree.
As for the last few hours, I've already taken a nap today and plan to work at is as fast as I can. Yes it is torture. Me want game now. Why couldn’t BioWare have done a space edition in Chicago... Lancer1289 23:49, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
It is a little quieter than I expected (aside from a few vandals). The calm before the storm, perhaps?
I'll be heading out to the midnight release at my Gamestop in about three hours, but then it'll still be a two hour release until midnight. I'm trying to decide if it would be worth it to reserve my spot in line and then return to my apartment until closer to midnight, I may end up camping out there with my Nook. I really wish Gamestop would just give me my game at 10pm, no one else would have to know they broke street date for one guy.
Also, is Wikia lagging a little for you? I'm getting some slow page loading. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:58, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps, but I think it will take some time before people really start editing. I'd say the first pages to get hit will be guides, walkthroughs, power pages, and some very minor details in character articles. Things like several things gained from early videos. I don't expect those to get hit really until Wednesday night, Thursday at the earliest. The only things that I expect to see are some minor details.
I plan to leave for my midnight launch in about 3 and a half hours myself, but have no intentions to return as I will have my phone, but I don't like, and won't edit from it.
As to lag, not really, but then Wikia and my computer haven't always gotten along. Lancer1289 00:07, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Let's hope that's the case. The less I have to watch the wiki, the more I can sink my teeth into ME3.
And FYI, there's a (non-spoilerish) gameplay tip for ME3 that I noticed on BSN which you need to know: complete every assignment you pick up ASAP. There's an invisible timer of varying duration for assignments, and if you put off an assignment too long (as little as doing one mission or going off-world from where you received the assignment), you fail it, and failing one assignment can preclude you receiving related assignments in that chain. The guy who posted this said he wished he knew it before he started playing because he failed many assignments at first. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:25, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Now that is something that I don't consider a spoiler, but a gameplay tip. And a helpful one at that. Given the context of how ME3 is, while it may be annoying, it does make perfect sense doesn't it? Lancer1289 00:46, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
It does. But alas, my inner completionist will suffer.
Question: I have a banner prepared for the main page to proclaim ME3's release and link to the community launch plan blog, sort of like what we did for the Deception protest letter (Spart okayed it). Do you think I should I add this to the main page before I head out for ME3, or wait until I get back? -- Commdor (Talk) 00:54, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
(Apologies for any edit conflict) Thinking about it, I'll post the banner after I get back. Some might see it as a go ahead to start posting ME3 info, and I want to put that off until I'm around to keep an eye on things. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:14, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Well I was going to say add it now, but that idea makes sense. Lancer1289 01:15, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Launch Time

I see you're popping in. Be aware, I've created articles for all of the ME3 main plot missions, the titles only refer to locations but may be spoilery.
I've been adding stuff to the wiki for 2 1/2 hours now and still haven't even started the game. I may be in over my head. The guidebook is far less helpful than I wished, unlike the ME2 guidebook there is no appendix of all the planets with their descriptions. There's also no info whatsoever on the From Ashes content, which affirms BioWare's claim that From Ashes was developed after ME3 went into certification but doesn't help me. I have no idea how I'm going to tackle the ME3 info tomorrow. Arrgh, getting a headache. -- Commdor (Talk) 08:09, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Preferred image size

Hi, just signed in on this page for the first time to add some for Mass effect 3, a screen-shot to be more specific to describe the new System Scanning and wondered what kind of sizes you want for images like that. While I read the Manual of style, that manual only tells what size they are to be displayed at in the pages they are linked to but not what sizes is allowed and recommended to the images themselves that is uploaded. So was just wondering if you have some kind of standard for that here or if you only focuses on what sizes they are displayed as on the various pages they are linked and displayed at?

Uploaded to various wiki's and most I encountered usually seems to have preferred max/min size for the images themselves that is uploaded to save space and keep some kind of guidelines. --Kazehito 16:16, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

First, we will take .png images, as they have better resolution and display better. As to a specific image size, we really don't have one. Obviously the larger the better. Most of the current images are above 1000 pixels, but again, the larger the better. I'd say start at no less than 900, but that's me. Lancer1289 16:20, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Tali Redirects

Tali has three names, which sort of correspond to each game (nar Raya for ME, vas Neema for ME2 and vas 'Normandy for ME3) I'm wondering if for the interests of easier navigating, if it's possible rig up redirects to go to specific places on a specific page. For example, if someone puts in "Tali'Zorah vas Normandy" into the search box, it'll take them to the ME3 section on her page. Just a small proposal, nothing serious, but it might make things a little easier. Tanooki1432 20:04, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Actually "vas Normandy" goes to the ME2 section of the article because that is where she actually gets her name. I see little reason to change it as of now. Lancer1289 20:08, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Weapon Mod Tables

Done everything for Weapon Mods page, with the exception of the Concentration mod table for single player sniper rifles. Took quite some time, but now its done, hope it helps :). JouninOfDespair 15:09, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I honestly don't need a report about every edit that is made as that can be not only annoying, but could distract me from a problem, which if I didn't notice Commdor's talk page, I would have. Just work on the articles, and it will be noticed and appreciated. Lancer1289 16:03, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I ask no more and no less. I just want to feel I'm contributing. Its like raising a child, if you dont give it praise, it will just be unhappy all the time. I'm not asking for a parade in my name, I just like to feel people appreciate what I do, even if its just in the form of a "Thank you", it means a lot. If you got me a gift, you would think that I was being rude if I didnt say thank you, and if I said, "Thank you, this is much appreciated", you'd feel happy that you'd made me happy. Sorry if I'm being a bit emotional, but its just the way I am. As said, I dont ask for everyone to worship me, all I ask is that I'm appreciated, and a Thank You (however you say it as long as its not hateful) goes a long way. I dont ask for more than I deserve, but I think I deserve that much. JouninOfDespair 18:46, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

However, you must realize that if we left a thank you for everyone that made edits, we'd just be doing nothing but that. We can't possibly do anything like that every edit is appreciated, even if we don't say it out loud. While on that subject, I have still yet to hear a thank you for writing almost every walkthrough on the site, and will be writing.
That said, thank you for filling out the table. Lancer1289 19:28, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

You have a fair point. Something I quite clearly didnt take into consideration. Ok, thats fair enough, but the odd thank you from time to time couldnt hurt right? And your welcome for the edits to the tables. Oh and uh, thank you, for providing the majority of the wiki. I mean that. JouninOfDespair 20:54, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Citadel: Hanar Diplomats talk?

I don't know if it was my fault for putting a title that people had difficulty understanding or if people just aren't reading the Talk Page, but I had put a topic about the mission possibly being bugged and then right below it, later, someone else put the same thing. Is it possible to merge these to clean-up the Talk Page? Changing the title of the post is fine if you do merge them, something more accurate. If you don't think it necessary or OK, then I understand. Otherwise, the post below mine might have figured out why the bug is experienced.--Xaero Dumort 18:50, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, just removed the headline text. Lancer1289 19:28, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Ravager concepts

The official concept art is the source. Shadowdragon00000 19:35, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

And this wasn't added the first time why? Lancer1289 19:41, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
Because I was getting around to uploading the actual concepts.Shadowdragon00000 19:44, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
Except that if you add something like that without a source, don't come and complain about it when it gets undone. If you don't add info with a source, and for something like that, it will get undone. Either add it with the source, or don't. Lancer1289 19:47, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
As I said, I was getting to that, but you nuked the page before I finished copied the images from the concept book and uploading them. Did you think that I pulled that bit of trivia out of thin air?Shadowdragon00000 19:51, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
Honestly yes, considering you didn't provide a source. Again, either provide a source when you upload it, or wait until you do. Lancer1289 19:56, March 7, 2012 (UTC)


How far are you in the game, by the way? Just give me the main story mission name.
I still haven't even started Priority: Palaven; between watching the wiki and all the other stuff I usually do each day, time flew and I ended up not starting the game. It's sadly ironic, I've been waiting for ME3 ever since I first beat ME2 and I went to the midnight release to stand in a line for two hours, but instead of playing the game after I finally get it I keep getting sucked into the RC. If only I could put the wiki into a stasis pod for 50,000 years... -- Commdor (Talk) 06:03, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yes that would be nice. I'm currently just about to begin Priority: Tuchanka, but that will be tomorrow as I need to get some sleep. Even with two of us here, there's still way to much to watch. Lancer1289 06:06, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah. I was a little jarred this morning when I had to hit the button on RC that shows 500 changes so I could review what happened overnight. The stats box on the admin dashboard is even scarier, we're getting well over five times our usual traffic and ten times the edits. It's boggling to think you, me, and a few other regular users I've seen are only ones managing all of that.
Anyway, I'm calling it a night. I've got an early class tomorrow, but then it's the weekend (I have no Friday classes)! Hopefully I can tackle more clusters and Codex entries before I have to start studying for finals. -- Commdor (Talk) 06:26, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Races Prophean/Inusannon

it's not speculation the Prophean Squadmate from the DLC said it, so it's offical canon.--Icemoomoo 13:51, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

You are confusing fact with speculation here. Yes Javik said that they built Ilos on top of them, but what he didn't say is if the statues are them. So it is speculation. And there's another very serious matter that I have to bring up with you later. Lancer1289 13:53, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
I changed the Inusannon picture back to the placeholder, it's possible that i mixed up the line then Jarvik mention them--Icemoomoo 13:59, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Ban Evasion?

I wanted to point out a curious discrepancy. which I noticed was globally banned, and then this user shows up -- -- I suspect ban evasion myself but I could be wrong.. either way, back to the proverbial edit trenches. --Aryn2382 23:56, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

The new account just edited the same article as the previous account and added the same image. Definitely a sock puppet, now blocked. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:00, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #1

You deleted my page refering to the mission "Priority: The Citadel" claiming that it was a duplicate article. This was not the case, because there are two separate missions with this name. The first, which you receive after the events on Mars, has a page. The second mission that is receieved much later, has no page which I was attempting to rectify. Should this mission be added into the already existing page, or should it get its own seeing as it is a completely different mission that happens to have the same name?

I see what is going on and a potential solution is in the works. Lancer1289 02:53, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #2

Re: Undo to item rarity addition to multiplayer section of ME3 page. How is game data files not an acceptable source? There is nothing more authoritative than the game's own data files as to the functionality of the game. Micah71381 03:23, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Can no one read the message at the top of my talk page? I specifically ask people to not edit sections that have nothing to do with what they are asking and to leave a new message.
As to the question, the .ini file has never been an acceptable source because it is interpretation of game data, i.e. speculation. We need devconfirmation for that kind of information anyway. Lancer1289 03:30, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

I clicked the leave message button and entered some text. I didn't edityour talk page directly.

Does it count if, through personal experience, I have identified the rarity of many items and use the INI file to fill in the gaps? In actual gameplay experience an allowable source? Can I just "claim" to have picked up every item in the game and verified it's rarity?

Not in this case. I've observed that some people can get rare and extremely rare items in every pack, and others get them once out of every twenty. This is not a negotiable situation in this case as that kind of information requires devconfirmation for that. Lancer1289 03:42, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, I see. It sounds like the wording is the problem then. I was not trying to suggest drop rates, only what items qualified as "rare" and "uncommon" so people know what possible drops can come from each of the different packs.

The packs use the terminology "Common, Uncommon and Rare" and every MP item in the game has a rarity attached to it as well. While I understand that actual drop rates can vary greatly, the text attached to each of the packs always holds true. A specter pack will always have at least one rare or better (gold card) every time and the veteran pack will always have at least an uncommon (silver) or better (gold/rare).
The list I posted simply gives players the tools necessary to decide which pack to purchase based on what items they are looking for.
I guess wording was a problem. Something like that could be included, but the formatting would need to be broken up a lot more, and it would have to look a lot better. Lancer1289 04:23, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #3

Excuse me Lancer1289, but I am playing Mass Effect 3 at the moment, and I am looking at some of the pages here. I have noticed that some of the pages about items from the previous two games that are in the third game need to be edited. I can give you a list of some of the pages that need to be edited.

The list cannot be made because it is way too long. Many pages numbering probably over 1,200 need to be modified. I should also point out that the game has barely been out for 3 days, there is no way we could have everything documented in that time. Lancer1289 18:38, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Reason for change?!

I changed the images in the templates to the actual game texture, why did you revert it? --ShardofTruth 18:46, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

The images are not the same, e.g. they are not cropped that badly. The achievement images will be replaced with the actual textures --> all images derived from these images will be replaced as well, so that they can be deleted. --ShardofTruth 18:54, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Two Monasteries?

I'm not sure how far you are in the game at present, but maybe you can check this. An article for Kallini: Ardat-Yakshi Monastery was created a few minutes ago (you know), but it appears to be the same mission as Lesuss: Ardat-Yakshi Monastery, which I created a few days ago using the guidebook. Maybe the name changed? -- Commdor (Talk) 01:34, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

I just kind of went along with it. I chalk that up to being on autopilot. I'm positive there isn't two and one is a mistake, but I don't have access to the book right now or my game. I can look when I get home but I don't know when that will be. Lancer1289 01:38, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Looking at the second article, I'm pretty sure that is the real one, in which case, the other one needs to go. Again, I can check later, but not for at least an hour if not more. Lancer1289 01:40, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, take your time. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:44, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Well I'm also in class. I hate in-service days. Apparently at my college, in-service days only last until 5:00 pm and my class starts at 6:00 pm. I'm sure you know what I'm feeling right now. Lancer1289 01:48, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, this last quarter was rough. The next one isn't an improvement though. After my finals next week, it's spring break, but then next quarter I have classes from 9am to 7pm nearly every day. Not looking forward to it. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:53, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Ouch. Got a laptop? Lancer1289 01:55, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I'm using now (it's my main computer). Why? -- Commdor (Talk) 02:00, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Just curious. I know some people only have a desktop, so was just curious. I actually have both but use my desktop more for gaming than this. Lancer1289 02:04, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Ok I just checked both the book and my journal. My Journal says "Kallini" and my book says "Lesuss". Huh. Curious isn't it. Lancer1289 07:36, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Even more so by the fact the mission takes place on Lesuss. What is going on here. Lancer1289 08:18, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
More fun. I say we move the Lesuss walkthrough to the Kallini page (since the in-game journal uses the Kallini title for the mission), and turn Lesuss into a redirect. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:42, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
That would be the best way to go. I've been keeping up for two hours now, and I need a break. Lancer1289 18:44, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Reward checklist

You reverted a change that listed all of the possible rewards (as a checklist to verify you'd gotten all of them) from the Priority: Mars page with a note "that's not how we do it". My question is simple "how do we do it?" I've seen other guides that had a checklist so you can verify you get all the items and found it to be very useful. Ea-41905502 07:14, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

That is a different guide using a different format. Mass Effect 2 did things like that, not ME3 or ME. For things like that, just list them in the guide as you go along. Lancer1289 07:35, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Is there a way to mark the items then? Say using italics or something like that so that it's easy to see? I did that in the first set of edits, but someone removed it when they converted from a bullet list to a paragraph format. Ea-41905502 07:57, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Because that is again not how we do that. Italics are used for different purposes in walkthroughs. Just put them in a sentence like everything else. Example: "After taking down the enemy forces, grab the SMG Magazine upgrade before moving on." Italics are used for things like "When you move out of cover, you need to move fast as you will get repeatedly shot until you find cover again." Lancer1289 08:01, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Item Rarities

OK, I gather that you didn't like my adding item rarities to some of the weapons and undid those changes. I know you run a tight ship and I don't want to step on your toes. Do you think we could set up some sort of protocol for that kind of information? I think it's useful. -LobsterMobster 20:38, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

The thing is there is something that seems to be going on with the Multiplayer page and putting it there. There's a section here that deals with that. Putting it there really doesn't fit as well. Lancer1289 20:52, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Just took a look at the multiplayer page and it looks good. Seems like a good place for it. Maybe once we get more detailed "item cards" like we have for ME2 weapons we could list it there, too? - LobsterMobster 15:10, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Permission to post script

Hi Lancer, since I am new here I don't want to overstep any bounds so I thought I should ask first. Is it okay if I post the leaked script from November in a blog post or is that unacceptable under the wiki policy. Sorry for the annoying question. -- KaloneousHelpDesk 21:47, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hi Lancer, I have decided it is better that I don't post any such link so there is no need to respond. I feel I am becoming too swept up in the commotion of recent events and I also don't want to disturb "the peaceful waters" of this awesome wiki any further. Thanks for listening (well reading). -- KaloneousHelpDesk 22:25, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hi Lance

Just a brief chat really, I'm going to be going to bed in about 1 hour 15 mins, but I'm wondering how far you got. At the moment I've gotten past "Priority The Citadel", but not sure what I'm gonna do at the moment. I also decided to buy the Black Widow since I'm going on insanity (hardcore masochist here), and since I've used it, added and adjusted the "Black Widow" player notes a bit, hope it helps not just other people clarify what it is, but also helps them make the decision of whether or not to buy it. Anyway, I'm going to pop on Mass Effect 3 again (since my XBOX CRASHED -_-), I probably wont be on the wikia again tonight, but I wish you a good day (and good night). JouninOfDespair 00:14, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Busy Day

Great, you're back. I was getting overwhelmed and falling behind in the RC. I blame my roommates a little, they wouldn't leave me alone until a played a few matches of Halo: Reach with them, and when I got back there was a deluge of new edits that hasn't let up yet. Are you fine with handling things on your own for about an hour? I need to drop by the grocery store so I can make something to eat. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:48, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I had to go to church so I'll be online for the foreseeable future. If you need to run, go but please tell me when you get back. Lancer1289 02:03, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
Roger. -- Commdor (Talk) 02:03, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

I'm back. -- Commdor (Talk) 02:52, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Progress into Mass Effect 3.

So Lancer, how far have you gotten and whats your opinion of the game. I loved it, not so much the ending but the more I think about it I like it a bit more, and if you don't mind telling, what did you think of the ending.Best Regards,--Legionwrex 02:04, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Please don't spoil the ending or anything else for that matter. I'm currently tying to keep up with the wiki and play at the same time, and it isn't easy. I wish everyone could just stop for 30 minutes, or two weeks, but that isn't going to happen. It will probably be months before it calms down enough to start doing the serious work.
As to where I am, I'm currently dealing with the geth and quarians and their associated missions. Lancer1289 02:10, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
I'm so sorry if I ruined the ending or any details for you. Anyways, you are only at the Quarian/Geth conflict, dang you are only like mid-way through the game, I would expect an admin like yourself to have beaten it be now.--Legionwrex 03:06, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
Commdor is further behind than myself and see my comment about what's been keeping me occupied. Lancer1289 03:08, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
Sometimes I forget admins need to constantly monitor the wiki, tuff job. AGain sorry if my blog ruined anything for you.--Legionwrex 03:12, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Leg armor images

So what exactly is so unacceptable about those? If it's the mouse bit of the menu, nothing I can do about it. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 02:29, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

But we did it for ME2, and therefore it can be done for ME3. Images with that are unacceptable anywhere for reference. Lancer1289 02:31, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
Then by all means, tell me how you guys did it. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 02:42, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
I don't know, ask the person who took them. Lancer1289 02:44, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #4

I had put a quote on Urdnot Dagg's page when I created and it has been removed. However, Garrus Vakarian page has a quote. My question to you is what are the guidelines for ingame quotes? KcBrN 11:48, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yes they are listed in the Mass Effect Wiki:Manual of Style. Dagg isn't major enough for his own quote. Lancer1289 16:47, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Progress II

It doesn't look like I missed much, there weren't more than 500 edits last night. That's a relief.
I emailed Spart about the lockdown about an hour after I logged off last night (4am? Goddang daylight savings time and losing an hour...). No reply yet, but I think I made it abundantly clear how swamped we are.
Anyway, it's relatively quiet now so maybe I finally get back to ME3. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:48, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

I'm currently on Thessia. I estimate that I should be finished by the end of the day. Lancer1289 18:53, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
That's good. One of us will be able to keep up with the spoilers. You know I read the leaked file, but I'm noticing more and more small discrepancies between the file and the game. Planet journal entries or character dialogue are worded differently, and sometimes there are things I think I know that were removed entirely.
Also, so you're aware, I'm going to have to bug out early tonight so that I have time to study for my first final exam tomorrow. The earliest I may be back on is around 3pm EST (2pm CST) after I finish it. I'll notify you when I leave. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:01, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Got a response from Spart. He looked into a lockdown last year when we were getting hit by that you-impersonator, but Wikia informed him that it's not possible and the only alternative is to protect each page individually. We could try asking Wikia again, but I'm not sure the result would be any different. I don't want to mass protect pages either, so I think the best course of action is to protect ME3-related articles that we believe will receive high amounts of traffic. The planet articles and Codex entries will likely be fine, so we should focus on characters, missions, races, weapons, and the like, and possibly important templates.
Also, I think we should expedite the moves for character articles that have been proposed. The moves aren't controversial and support for most of them is unanimous or a clear majority, so waiting isn't going to serve a purpose.
Lastly, I'm going offline in about an hour to begin studying as I mentioned above. I'll post again at the exact time, but I figured you'd want a heads-up. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:05, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Well that may have to be an option at some point. Anyway, I'm just about to head back to Earth and I don't know when I'm going to get off for dinner. Lancer1289 23:07, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if you're still online, but I hope you are because I'm about to leave. I lost track of time (which should be to your benefit), and I can't afford to put off studying much longer. Good luck with the game and the wiki. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:43, March 12, 2012 (UTC)


You recently removed a picture and tagged it as unacceptable. I have started a discussion here if you would please comment on the matter. DrNegative 00:18, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Need help on Multiplayer (if your on Xbox)?

If you are having trouble with the Galaxy at War aspect of the game, I'll happily aid you, I completed the campaign on INSANITY and managed to get like 225G in one fell swoop this morning. I wont spoil it for you. But I did a bit of a botched job with the "Paramour" Achievement, was romancing Tali and accidentally went for Liara while Tali wasnt in the squad >_<. Anyway names "Jounin Of Fear" if you are on Xbox and are interested. JouninOfDespair 18:33, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Day Seven

I'm back from my exam. What did I miss, did you receive my emails, and if so where does Wikia stand on a lockdown? -- Commdor (Talk) 19:17, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Honestly it was a relatively quiet night, just a lot of edit. Although the detail that irritated me was in the email I sent you earlier. I did get your emails. As for an email from Wikia, I have yet to hear anything. Trust me, the second I do, the launch plan will be updated, and I'll drop you a message. Lancer1289 19:22, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
Good. I'm somewhat refreshed from taking that little break, I even managed to get some ME3 in. Probably not beneficial for my exam since that meant less study time, but I took the risk. I should be online more or less as I was until Tuesday night, when I again need to study for my last two exams. Hopefully we can get the lockdown before then so I won't be leaving you in the lurch again. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:28, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
I should be on more or less today since I have some homework to get done. Tomorrow, there will be a big gap when I won't be on since it has become a pain to drag my laptop to school where I can only use it in one of three classes. So I may not be on until 1:00pm CST tomorrow. Actually I take that back. I should be on in the morning for about an hour and a half from 6:00 - 7:30am ish CST. After that, I have classes and I won't get back until 1:00. Hopefully I will get a response from Wikia before I have to leave for my evening class at about 6:00 pm CST. Lancer1289 19:35, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

You didn't miss too much while you were out, blog comments have dominated today. Also, the lockdown proposal is thankfully faring much better than we predicted. Once we get it passed, we can finally stop worrying if we're offline for more than five minutes. -- Commdor (Talk) 03:17, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Multiplayer Enemies

I noticed there hasn't been any enemy updates for ME3 multiplayer especially. Should there be a link or section on enemies on the Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer page so players can see stats and tactics of these enemies? KcBrN 08:10, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

This is because the individaul enemy articles should be updated. That is a hub page so to speak, not one where tactics for individaul enemies are listed. Lancer1289 18:20, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Jona the quarian

I'm not sure whether you've played ME3 through or not, but this isn't really a spoiler - it's just something that is briefly mentioned in the Priority: Rannoch mission.

In ME2, one of the recordings on the Alarai (the ship you have to recover from the geth?) is a message to a quarian's son, called Jona. I created a page for it, but one of the moderators suggested that there wasn't enough information, and so it was mutually agreed to remove the page. As (and this is the "spoiler") Jona's father asks you to pass along the message to him saying that he made it to the homeworld, could it now be deemed to have significant enough importance to create a page for him? (I haven't yet finished Priority: Rannoch, so you might actually meet Jona, so this might all be unnecessary).

I just thought I'd ask first. Yanxa 12:35, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to need some context here because I don't remember this conversation, and a few links to relevant conversations would be nice. Lancer1289 18:19, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

I just finished this assignment so I knew the mentioning of Jona. I found a video[[1]] regarding the conversation in question. The conversation takes place at 11 min 48 sec. KcBrN 01:29, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

The problem is that there is very little information to go on here, and not enough for a full article. Lancer1289 01:45, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
What if we created a category in each race's page for mentioned people of that race and a breif statement or two of what or who they were? Kind of like the identified Mass Relays category on the mass relay page. Even though these characters are not "main characters". They do add to the story and paint a picture of the ME Universe. They belong somewhere no matter how little they are. KcBrN 01:59, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
The problem is that list will get really long really fast on a number of pages. It just isn't feasible. There are some characters better left in articles where they are mentioned once because that is the extent of their impact. Lancer1289 02:01, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
As Jona is specifically mentioned twice (once in ME2, once in ME3), I believe that it's worthy of an article, even if it is only a stubb. Yanxa 00:32, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
The thing is we don't like stub articles. There's very little information and not enough to justify an article. Lancer1289 02:32, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

ME3 Weapon NavBoxes

Is it possible to rig up the nav-boxes so that if you click on a weapon (say the M-92 Mantis, which exists in both ME2 and 3), it'll take you to that weapon's entry for that game? For example, clicking on the M-92 Mantis in the ME3 weapons box will take you to the ME3 section for the gun, and the ME2 weapons box will take you to the ME2 section. It's nothing urgent but a it's just a quality of life improvement. Tanooki1432 17:57, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

That can be done. Lancer1289 18:10, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Map edits

I understand you've undone some edits on a few of the maps I was doing. If I cant put em up on the map pages, where could I put em up? Or is it a matter of not at all? JouninOfDespair 20:14, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Because those pages are about the planets themselves. Tactics on those maps will vary every time they are played based on enemy, difficulty, players, classes, and a host of other factors. Notes there are just not appropriate because everything can chance, which is unlike the single player where you can make a reasonable assumption. Multiplayer, no way. Lancer1289 20:18, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
Ah ok. I just thought that I could add those in. I wasnt going DIRECTLY into a specific group of enemies. I was just thinking on a map layout basis. Well... I'd rather try and fail than not try at all. But if I cant put it in, thats fair enough at least I know now. Thanks for the info. JouninOfDespair 20:48, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
Back up, if we want to include some things about the map, layout and things like that, location of ammo boxes, frequent spots for objectives, then I might be ok with that, however a better section would have to be organized. Something like "Layout" not "Player Notes" as that sends a very different message. I wish we could get pictures, but I don't feel like breaking copyright laws. Lancer1289 20:53, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah I appreciate where your coming from. The worst bit of what you said is that I know quite a few spots where some of the "Disable/Enable Devices", but I have no interest of breaking the law (or upsetting you or others for that matter). And yeah I shouldnt of done "Player Notes" I..... messed up that much I will admit. JouninOfDespair 20:57, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

N7 Armor

Hi Lancer!

For fan opinions, I think you talk about the fact that the N7 Armor is one of the most iconic things in the Mass Effect series. It is truth, ask BioWare who makes goodies or game trailers with it, but if it bothers you, no problem for me. In an external note, I would just like to point out the fact that almost everything here are fan opinions, like the Prothean article trivia section for example. Mass Effect Wiki is a fan-wiki not related to BioWare, therefore, a wiki with official information and fan opinions, which may diverge from reality.

For the N7 Armor article, although not named "N7 Armor", the original N7 Armor appeared through the Onyx Armors when weared by Shepard, and this specific model at the beginning of Mass Effect 2 when Shepard is still on the first Normandy. So why the N7 Armor cannot be treated with background information, despite many articles have them?

Thanks in advance for your answers and have a good evening Lancer! BlackBender 20:54, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

But fan opinions are irrelevant here, in every sense of the word. It doesn’t matter what BioWare does with the label of N7. In the game, it is an armor, not anything else. Actually, a lot of things here aren't fan opinions, rather facts from the game, or things that can be supported.
As to the ME version, you are incorrect. There is no N7 armor in ME, just in ME2 and ME3. It is an entirely separate piece of armor, and because of that, not relevant to the article. It is Onyx armor, not N7 armor. They are two completely separate things. Lancer1289 21:00, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

You talk about game, I talk about background, which seems to have a major position here. Of course it is a N7 armor, even if it is not named as such in the game. The design, the N7 symbol and being Commander Shepard's default and iconic armor are the trademark of it, and most people commonly call the Onix Armor weared by Shepard "N7 armor".

To drive the point home, the N7 armor of Mass Effect is called the "N7 suit" in The Art of Mass Effect (the artbook of the original Mass Effect), and highlighted as a unique armor and the trademark of Shepard. Also, the N7 armor of Mass Effect in its heavy model is available for Xbox Live Avatar under the name "N7 Armor" -> [2] Therefore, it seems clearly justifiable to be at least mentioned on the page like I had done, without too many details, but at least mentioned. BlackBender 23:56, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

But again, the item isn't called that in the game, which is what the article is about. The article is about the armor that appears in ME2 and ME2, not about an armor that appears in ME under a different name. Had the article been called something else, then you might have a case, but it isn't. Mentioning it is quite irrelevant in terms of the page because the page isn't about background, it is about describing the armor set, and again that armor set is only in Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 under that name. In ME it is called something different, and therefore is in a different article. What most people call it is quite irrelevant in this case because the name of the armor is Onyx in ME, and in ME2 and ME3, it is called N7. Two items that only a connection with the N7 logo. A lot of other things about them are different. Lancer1289 00:20, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

"The article is about the armor that appears in ME2 and ME3, not about an armor that appears in ME under a different name" - I'm semi-agree about this. Even if the game content is important, trivia sections are created for something like this, adding background or something related. For example, the Kestrel Armor in Mass Effect 3 is available in the form of Rosenkov Materials pieces, and it is written in the Kestrel Armor page under the trivia section. So, why the N7 armor could not be treated like that too?

"A lot of other things about them are different." - Like?

Also, the N7 armor appears through the Onyx armor only when worn by Shepard. Other human characters like Kaidan or Ashley with the Onyx armor don't have the N7 logo or anything else -> [3], it's not like if the Onyx armors are the same for everyone, and the specific variant of Shepard is called "N7 armor" by BioWare.

In addition, this N7 armor model from Mass Effect is also worn by Shepard during the Prologue of Mass Effect 2 aboard the first Normandy, and called "N7 armor" by him/her during a conversation with Legion -> [4].

I gave you many reasons, with two from BioWare itself, and you, you give me only a personal opinion that doesn't seal my proposed solution above, and that already respects how the things are done here with a concrete example.

If you want another solution, we can create a background page for the N7 armor, with redirection about gameplay articles, like Nukapedia have done with many things, like the Enclave power armor -> [5]. BlackBender 14:58, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Except it isn't trivia either. What you are trying to do is to use two seperate situations and say they are the same thing. The Kestrel armor is valid because it is still called a Kestrel Helmet, the N7 armor isn't. And if you look, it isn't in the trivia section is it? It is in a seperate section.
Again, it doesn't matter what it shows when it is worn by whoever. The fact remains that it is called "Onyx Armor" not N7 armor, therefore is irrelevant.
Differences. Well lets see, the N7 armor has a number of components that can be swapped out. N7 has different bonuses. N7 has only one appearance. And that's what I can pull off hand.
Because the scene you are referring to is in ME2, we don't know the context. Since it was a month after the destruction of Sovereign, Shepard could have been issued new armor called that.
What other wikis do is irrelevant. This isn't Nukapedia, this isn't the Vault, this isn't any other wiki. We have our own policies and our own way of doing things. If the armor isn't called that in the game, then it doesn’t belong in that article.
Your "reasons" from BioWare aren't reasons, they are mentions after the fact, and doesn't help your case in any way. The bottom line is that they are different, and a mention will not take place. Lancer1289 15:06, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

"The fact remains that it is called "Onyx Armor", not N7 armor", It is called "N7 armor" in Mass Effect 2 "in-game", in The Art of Mass Effect at Shepard page and in the Mass Effect 2 Art Book at Legion page. It is useless to hide the truth because it is against us. I can upload the pages if you don't believe me. This wiki covers everything related to the Mass Effect universe, and every information have the same value when they come from BioWare.

"N7 has only one appearance." - False, the N7 armor of Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 are really different, in both aspect and esthetics.

"Shepard could have been issued new armor called that." - Fan opinion, and speculation, thus irrelevant if I follow your logic.

"What other wikis do is irrelevant." - Facepalm... this is rather arrogant and unworthy of an admin. Borrow ideas from other wikis to improve the wiki is a good thing and a good initiative, especially with other Wikia Gaming wiki partners. This is the 1st time I see someone denigrated the work of wiki partners because it was not created on "his" wiki.

"they are mentions after the fact" - Your fact, which is to keep your idea without listening to anybody. I gave you many valid reasons to be at least mentioned on the page, and I don't see what bothers you in this case. BlackBender 16:13, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

No one is hiding the truth here so do not throw around baseless accusations. The fact is that armor is here is classified by what it is called in game. ME = Onyx Armor, ME2 + ME3 = N7 Armor. They are not the same thing. This isn't negotiable. If it is not called N7 armor in game, then it doesn't get mentioned in the article. End of story.
And your entire second to last paragraph is entirely insulting, rude, condescending, and just plain accusatory. Every wiki does things their own way. If we don't like what another wiki does, then we are under no obligations to follow it. We classify things the way we do here, and they do what we want there. Using another wiki as an example of how we should do things is irrelevant. Not all wikis are the same, so if another wiki does something that would not fit into how we do things, we do not have to do anything about it. Lancer1289 16:31, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

"This isn't negotiable. If it is not called N7 armor in game, then it doesn't get mentioned in the article. End of story." - Pretty arrogant. A debate is over when everyone has reached a consensus, not when you decide like a dictator. I have seen anywhere that the in-game information have more value than those from official artbooks or from BioWare itself. Can you show me this policy?

"The fact is that armor is here is classified by what it is called in game" - ?? The principle is just to add a trivia information that won't hurt, not rename the page or something.

"And your entire second to last paragraph is entirely insulting, rude, condescending, and just plain accusatory" - I think you forget that you are in a Wikia Gaming wiki, and not a private wiki. Therefore, you have to respect the works of your partners, even if you don't like it. I helped a lot of wikis, and whenever someone propose an interesting idea from a partner, he spoke in respectful terms and think about it. "If we don't like what another wiki does, then we are under no obligations to follow it", I agree, but how you say it was really disrespectful and arrogant. "we should do things is irrelevant" - We should? I said "we can", but not we should, this is not the same thing.

I'm tired about this. If you are not agree, I will create a debate on the talk page itself to ask everyone about this for having other opinions on the matter. BlackBender 17:28, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

New Spectre Article Blunder

So I recently tried to add an entire new article containing content pertaining the to the actual physical location of the office of the Spectres in Mass Effect 3. I would like to apologize for that, as I should have created the content on the existing Spectres page. Yup, sorry about that, I really hope I didn't screw up the wiki in any way (especially, since I named the article 'Office of Special Tactics and Reconnaissance' >_<). I don't have time to replicate the content on the page right now, I'll try again later today hopefully. Sorry again, not really sure what I was thinking. Incrognito 21:49, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what happened. Since Commdor was the one who took the action, I'd suggest asking him what is going on. Lancer1289 22:07, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Going on Break

I'm sorry Lancer, but I've decided to take an indefinite break from the wiki. I thought I could hold it together until we had a lockdown in place, but since the vote's been extended to a full week I know I can't keep up for that long, even though I understand and agree with Spart's reasoning for extending the voting period and opposing the lockdown. I'm exhausted, I've got classes to keep up with, and I do want to beat ME3 at some point, so I'm sharply curtailing my efforts here.
I'll still be around most days to make some fixes, update some articles, and clear out the stuff tagged for deletion, but I won't be patrolling as usual. Depending on how heavy the workload is from my classes next quarter, I could be back full time as soon as month's end or as late as June. I realize this puts extra pressure on you, but believe me when I say I wouldn't be doing this now if I wasn't completely burned out and I didn't have a much busier schedule coming up. I hope you won't bear me any ill will.
If you need my input for anything, just send me an email, it'll be more reliable than a post on my talk page. I wish you the best of luck in the weeks ahead. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:46, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

It’s understandable, but I can't guarantee that I can keep up with everything. If Spart or Jake will be on regularly, then I don't have much to worry about, but I don't know what either of them are doing. I can't be here 24/7 and there will be times where I just can't be on. I just won't be able to keep up and I have a bad feeling. Just keep me updated on your status with regard to your classes.
I certainly Jake or Spart see this and let us know of their plans because if I'm going to be the only one on, I will burn out at some point and might not come back at all. Knowing their plans will be a good, and knowing when they will be on. I can’t spend three hours a day checking edits, when I get off for just 2 hours. Lancer1289 01:01, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
Man, I hope you get to feeling a bit better as well. I'm trying to give you guys as much support as I can with fixing and clearing and marking edits as well. >_> I've got designs on adding in all the new Codex stuff in the next day or so but I may hold off. --Aryn2382 01:09, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
Well like I said I won't be doing a total blackout Lancer, I'll just be online less than before (maybe an hour or two each day on average instead of the usual 8-12). If things get bad I'll stick around until they're contained, and if you're ever feeling like you're at your limit or you know that you won't be on for an extended period some day, email me and I'll do my best to take over.
I realize now that we were nowhere near prepared for ME3's launch. If Jake and Spart and the others had known how much traffic we'd get, I don't think they would have done full blackouts. Too bad it's too late for that lesson to help us. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:18, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
The problem is I can't predict those times. They are usually random, and with the way things are going, I'm off for a half hour, I spend an hour and a half catching up. Even if I did know, I don't know how long some events will last. Sometimes I think something will last an hour, and it takes three including travel. I left messages with Spart and Jake, and I plan to send emails. I hope that they can get on more because there is no way I can do this by myself with so much traffic.
One time I know of off hand is tomorrow. I won't be on from about 5:00 pm until I don't know when. I'd say 10:00 pm at the latest. CST of course.
And no, there is no way we were prepared for ME3. Not in the slightest. I'd say that if we had all four of us here, it wouldn't be as bad, but how it is now, we can barely keep up as it is.
We'll take all the help we can get Aryn, but the problem comes to vandals and people not following the MoS and established standards. Many people don't follow them and that just takes more work. Again, any help is welcomed and very much appreciated. Lancer1289 01:30, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Cortez image

Is it because of bits of Shep in the background? Can't think of any other reason, since it's practically a frontal shot, proper expression and good light. Unless I'm missing something else, and doesn't really cover what should or shouldn't be in the images themselves. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 13:14, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

That is actually it. We can't have Shepard in an image except in a few select circumstances, which is laid out in the MoS. A shot on the Normandy would be preferred since it should be easy to get, but that one just doesn't work. Lancer1289 13:17, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
I'll get on it the next time I have a chance. What about the replacement on the Characters page? --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 13:19, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
Same reason. Shep's Arm. it may seem picky, but images are a bit stricter than other things. Lancer1289 13:26, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Infiltrator/Class Guide pages

What's the reason that "Armour" isn't allowed on the Class guide pages? It's valid and helpful information. :/ --DeLuXo 14:55, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Because armor is one of the most, if not the most, subjective things about the game. It is different for everyone and no two people use armor the same way. Some people won't change their armor at all, others swap it out after every mission. The bottom line is that armor sections would become extremely long extremely quickly because of how it is used. Because everyone plays differently, what helps one person may hinder someone else, and not just in a tactic where it is adaptable. It is just too much of a subjective thing to list. Lancer1289 15:10, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

There's nothing subjective about statistics of armour, and besides that, the page is merely a guide.

"When focusing purely on damage the best choice for armour..." ^ That section is also merely a guide and example, it's not setting rules for anyone.

Not to offend, but by that logic the entire section "Weapons and Equipment" should be deleted, because weapon usage is as much "subjective" as armour usage. --DeLuXo 15:22, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

No because that violates the MoS. That section is for detailing the various weapon classes and their effectiveness. Not for listing every single armor component and set in the game, which is what it will end up being. Armor stats are listed on their respective pages, and that is enough. Lancer1289 15:32, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

"Bad image"

Try being a bit more specific. It's not the quality, I doubt the size has anything to do with it. If you have an image policy, I'd like to see it, in case I make the same mistake in the future, though I don't know what I did wrong.

--Byakuya The Slayer of Colossi 15:14, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

The problem is the images are small, they have a low memory value, are of low quality, and they are blurry and grainy. We prefer large images, .png formats, and images where if they had to be expanded, won't go all pixilated. Lancer1289 15:20, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Ah. Well, that's the best quality available for Dagg right now. If I can find a shot that's in high quality, I'll upload it.

--Byakuya The Slayer of Colossi 15:22, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

How's this?

--Byakuya The Slayer of Colossi 15:33, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Poor lighting, can't see the face. So no. Lancer1289 15:44, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Just curious..

Are you ever going to add a chat to the wiki?

--Byakuya The Slayer of Colossi 16:03, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Every time the issue has come up, interest dies off very quickly. No one has a use for it or has the desire to monitor it. Not to mention the issue has been beaten to death multiple times. Lancer1289 16:11, March 14, 2012 (UTC)


Hi there, I just wanted to see if you're okay with me adding a gallery on the page Rila like that. I'm from COD wiki, so it's a little bit different how they do things over there. ParagonX7 17:26, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

No character article has a gallery, and I can only think of two pages that actually have them. We don't like the way they are formatted or how they appear on pages. We prefer article and image integration rather than galleries. Lancer1289 17:34, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, thx for the heads up. So what do I do with the pics? There's no space to put them in, what with the meagre amount of text. ParagonX7 17:39, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Just wondering...

How far are you into the game now? Sorry if i'm being a bothr by asking. Also whats up with Spart, I know he finished the game but he isn't back yet.--Legionwrex 02:46, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

To the first quesiton, I've finished it. To the second, he's been making some edits, and was on earlier today. As to anything else on that topic, ask him. Lancer1289 02:49, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism II vandalised the Sentry Turret page shortly after midnight on March 15th, changing "heavy weapon" to "lame weapon" changing cooldown to "forever" and removing vital information sections entirely. He Who Plays 04:56, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

It was taken care of a while ago. Lancer1289 04:58, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

ME3 PC Tweak talk page

You might want to check it out. One of the talks has a link to a torrent and while I don't know if it violates policy, I figured I should let you know since in a way it makes it seem like we are Ok with piracy. While the link in question is in the Armor topic and deals with pre-order stuff, the fact that any may later become purchasable (Hoping for the Raider and Indra for 360!) is of concern I think.--Xaero Dumort 10:02, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I've removed the content, linking to the torrent is a violation of Wikia's Terms of Use, so it wouldn't be allowed in any case. -- RandomTime 10:22, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
Well I guess that answers that question. Lancer1289 11:54, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Characters Page

I saw that you reverted some edits I made to the characters page, but I actually think that Dr. Chakwas and Navigator Pressly are big enough characters to include under the Allies section for ME1. Chakwas is included as an ally in ME2 and her role is not that much bigger in the 2nd game as it is in the first game. And Navigator Pressly plays a fairly significant role in the first game as well. His role is of comparable size to Kelly Chambers and Samantha Traynor in ME2 and ME3 (the only exception being that you can't romance him, lol).TheLastAmigo 19:35, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Except they play little to no role when put next to the others so therefore they aren't classified as that. Pressly doesn't play anywhere near the same role as Kelly or Sam do in those games. Not even remotely close. Lancer1289 19:40, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
Granted Pressly isn't as big as Chambers or Traynor (mainly, I'm sure, because he isn't a romance option), but he is Commander Shepard's XO and the first game isn't as long as the other 2 games by a long shot. His death in the second game is supposed have a huge emotional impact on the player. Of the non-squad members, Joker, Chakwas, and Pressly are the 3 most important Normandy crew members.TheLastAmigo 19:52, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
No Pressly doesn't even come close to playing the same role as Kelly or Sam. Just because he was Shepard's XO doesn't mean he immediately gets a mention. Lancer1289 20:05, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Fun /parody/BSN created stuff Category?

You deleted my nice little article about Marauder Shields. I'm not angry about that :), but it gave me an idea Maybe there should be an "fun" category, like in other wikis, for example the one about valve time is in such a category in the HL wiki afaik. If this has already been discussed, I apologize 20:48, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Absolutely not. Under no circumstances is that even remotely permitted here. We are an encyclopedia, not a fan fiction site. You want to write fan fiction, or other stuff, go elsewhere. There is no place here for that.
And I'm seriously debating another ban for sockpuppetry right now. Lancer1289 20:52, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
I hope I'm replying correctly(not much wiki experience). I'm not here to argue I just wanted to know if it would be possible. As you have clearly stated it is not and I have no problem with it.
In any case, havea nice day and keep up the good work! This site is always an interesting read.:D
PS: I was not trying to prvent IP banning earlier I'm using my mobile to post right now 21:04, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Javik on Thessia

How is it irrelevant to point out that this character brings something unique story-wise to the mission? TheUnknown285 21:34, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Because mentioning that someone has additional dialogue is not grounds for inclusion on any article. Information like that belongs in the respective character article, or their UD article as appropriate. If there is any mention, it is specific, not ambiguous. Lancer1289 21:39, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
But this isn't your typical unique dialogue. It's not a single comment but several. Nor is it minor as it provides several bits of information about both asari and the Protheans, involves a plot twist, and sets up the subsequent Liara-Javik confrontation.TheUnknown285 13:57, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


User posted a lovely edit in the Kasumi Goto article involving both racism and words dealing with certain parts of the anatomy. TheUnknown285 23:50, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I already took care of it. Lancer1289 23:50, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Just a quick heads up...

Apparently there's a concerted effort going to vandalize the wiki regarding this "Marauder Shields" nonsense. SpartHawg948 08:49, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on it, but hopefully it has calmed down by now. Lancer1289 14:11, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Named Asteroid

I'm sure there is a template for this. I've tried looking, I'm too tired. So I'm bringing it to your attention. I found a named asteroid in Parnitha system's asteroid belt. I couldn't figure out the coding to put it in Cluster:Athena Nebula. Thanks KcBrN 10:35, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

The thing is, there's no asteroid template. You have to make do of the PlanetDetails Template for now. — Teugene (Talk) 10:46, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

'Mr. Ragu'

I'm posting that one as an example of old stuff that, it seems Mr. Ragu, whomever he is seems to be keen on posting and doing things without any respect towards people's prior uploads, including images and what have you. The fact that they're for blog posts are about the only reason I haven't made a louder noise for it.

But, going down his contributions seems to be nothing but this, including just ignoring what people are saying for the sake of making posts. I can't make heads or tails of this guy. Thoughts? — Aryn Comms 17:29, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

No matter where you go, especially on the internet, people will not treat each other with respect. That said however, there still isn't anything wrong yet per se. He probably didn't know the image was already by that name, or didn't care, which has happened before. I'll keep a closer eye on him, but that's really all I can do for now. Lancer1289 17:40, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
Yar. Hopefully he'll get a general clue eventually. (There's one MASSIVE file name thanks to him that's nothing but gibberish. It makes me sad a little, at least the organizational part of me.) — Aryn Comms 17:57, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
Tell me about it. I couldn't believe it when I first saw it. Lancer1289 17:58, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Weapon images

Since many ME3 weapon pages still lack images or have only promo pictures, should I gather the icons from the game files? I can get them either with transparent background or color of your choice. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 15:20, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Pulling them with backgrounds from something like the Weapon Bench seems like a good idea. ME3 images from the Weapon Locker and in ME3, that is the closest thing to it. Lancer1289 15:24, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
Alright then, I'll get to it and add the images to the pages. They can be moved into the infoboxes once they're up.

The only things that will be different are heavy weapons, the Spitfire, Hydra, Cain and Blackstar, since they only have a codex image. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 15:27, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Just add the info boxes when you are there. Even if you don't have all of the information, putting them there will save time in the end. As for the heavy weapons, I guess we'll go with the Codex images then since that will be the best we got. Lancer1289 15:29, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
Alright. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 15:33, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

I pulled both the background and icons, here's a mock-up with and without the former. Tell me which would fit better. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 16:22, March 17, 2012 (UTC) [6]

If we could just please link the images in the future, as I hate how images show up on talk pages. As to how they look, having it without just looks bad, where as with the background, it breaks it up and it looks like the images from ME2. Lancer1289 17:20, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry about that, seems the wiki auto-shows the linked images here. And alright, I'm uploading the ones with the background. If I can, I'll try getting the heavy weapon images onto these backgrounds too. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 17:28, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
Just put single brackets, [], around the links, like so. BioWare's Goliath Challenge. Lancer1289 18:10, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I've put up every single weapon, heavies included. I've also found images for the Synching Laser from Reaper Base and Geth Combat Software from Geth Fighters, but we have no apropriate pages. Should I get them done? The first one is technically a heavy weapon, and the GCS shares the crosshairs with those, so I assume it fits there too. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 20:23, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Can we please take down the images first, or I will remove this whole section. Lancer1289 20:47, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
Done and done. Now back to the original question, please. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 21:49, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Planetary Locations

Before I started editing anything else to something you disagree with, resulting you viewing me as a vandal and banning me, can I ask you to clarify your reasoning behind your reversal of my recent edits in relation to the location of planets such as Horizon and Noveria as show in various points in mass Effect 3. Is the Attican Traverse part of the Termius Systems, because if it isn't I don't understand why my edit on Horizon warranted deletion. Mass Effect 3's Galaxy at War map clearly places Noveria in Alliance space, not the Traverse. The same goes for Eden Prime. Similarly, Virmire seems to be located in both The Termius Systems and the Attican Traverse according to those two pages. CoalitionofIndependantRepublics 16:03, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Except the Traverse isn't entirely under Alliance Control, this is what you don't seem to get. It has been establised multiple times that Noveria isn't part of the Alliance, it is a member of the Terminus Systems, but still in the Traverse. It is a private planet. Horizon isn't in the Traverse at all, it is in the Terminus Systems. Lancer1289 16:09, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

So any system or planet that is not under Council/Alliance control is a Terminus System by definition regardless of its location? I wasn't trying to argue that Noveria is an Alliance world due to its location (by that logic Khar'Shan would be), but that the Galaxy at War map shows that its falls in that area, and not in the Traverse or the Terminus system (premising the Terminus Systems are a location not a definition). I am aware Horizon is repeatedly stated to be in the Terminus Systems, but found that in the Galaxy Map in Mass Effect 3, it was placed in the Traverse, leading to my trivia not on Horizon's page. Or have I got this all wrong and is the Traverse part of the greater Terminus Systems? CoalitionofIndependantRepublics 21:51, March 17, 2012 (UTC)


As you wish for the picture of Tali unmasked Lancer, but if someone remove the information about the quarians that this image provides, I'll come running back to reput it, avoiding this in the future. I think you'll understand. Light-Revan 17:23, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

There was a reason the image was removed, but not the information. It is relevant, but the picture really doesn't do it as much justice. Especially given how it appears. Lancer1289 17:28, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you, and it is not a big deal to me. This was just to prevent information about it to be removed because of ignorance. Hoping that will never happen. Well, have a good and fruitful day Lancer. Light-Revan 17:42, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Uncalled for "Joke"

In a recent "What are your favorate races" blog I made a comment about not liking quarians, User:GodZillaMaster replied with a very uncalled for comment, replying "Racist". I don't think i'm over-reacting, considering that is a attack on my character. Please take action. I will try to get a link.--Legionwrex 00:05, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

[[7]] This is the link.--Legionwrex 00:08, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
I'll look into it as it was uncalled for at the very least. Lancer1289 00:25, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Talk Page suggestion

Lancer, I have noticed you tend to give flak about people stating simple observations on talk pages, you direct them to the forums stating that talk pages are not intended for that use, I disagree, talk pages make a better place for discussing smaller facts/observations of a weapon, as if someone wants to talk about a weapon, they already have a small talk page available, and it means less cluttering of the forums with little half paragraph topics. I propose that either allow people to write these observations, or create another page, along the lines of a "Weapon Discussion Page" and link it to the page. I understand if you rfuse either of these, I simply wish to highlight the need. TheRealTerminal 03:00, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Except that isn't the point of talk pages. Talk pages are for discussing improvments to the article, not for things like "I think it looks like this. What do you think?" That clearly falls into the realm of the point of a forum. So what if we have a bunch of small forum pages, I really could care less about that. What I do care about is talk pages being used what they are there for, not for things that should be in a forum to begin with. Lancer1289 03:43, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

The amount of people posting as you put it "I think it looks like this. What do you think?" posts pales in comparison to the people who do discuss improvements, and the former usually end up being useful if not more useful than the latter, I simply wish to put forward that on the forums, smaller and more interesting posts tend to be washed away because of the bigger and more mainstream posts. TheRealTerminal 07:37, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

And again that isn't the point of talk pages. Talk pages are not forum pages where things can be discussed about what you think of this or what you think of that. That is what the forums are there for. Talk pages have a purpose, and they are not for forum dicussions. Lancer1289 12:29, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

You need to allow things to slide, talk pages are not being flooded with forum topics, 90% of the time a talk page topic will garner more attraction than 4 forum topics that have been buried by a larger boring post, take my suggestion into account please. TheRealTerminal 21:26, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

No we cannot let things slide as if we let them slide now, then they will harder to enforce in the future. Site policy is what it is regarding talk pages, and we either follow it or we don't. There is no middle ground. Lancer1289 21:33, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Image replacing, image categories and licensing

From my last experience I know that you might feel that replacing images is unnecessary or even unwanted here, that's why I'm asking here first before my edits are reverted. I would like to replace all used achievement images with the new ones, would that be okay?
I also noticed that almost no categories for images exist on this wiki, not even simple ones like "screenshots". I would like to upload the ship model images of ME3 but I feel a bit uneasy to put them in somewhere or not categorize them at all. I would like to create a shop items category or something like that specifically for this purpose, but if that's not done or wanted here I won't go on with that of course.
My last concern is the licensing, would it be possible to include the Bioware image template from the Dragon Age wiki? I think this would cover 99% of all images here and someone who doesn't know how to (or even why) license an image would've been provided with this simple solution. --ShardofTruth 14:39, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Just about everything here will require some kind of input from the community. So things like the image categories is a must, as are the others.
As to the achievement images, the current ones in use are ones that were agreed upon during Forum:Achievement images switch. To replace them all right now, would require another discussion, and what the new images would look like. However, that discussion would have to start no earlier than Sunday, UTC time, as the proposal must be in place for a week before something else can be proposed that changes/modifies/revokes it.
As to the template, that would be something that would also require some kind of discussion. Lancer1289 18:29, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
You got me wrong about the image replacing stuff. All I wanted to do is to switch the image link of an image like this with the original and at least somewhat correctly named file.
As for the other points I checked the the project pages and I just realized that while adding categories or templates on other wikis is quite normal is taken really serious here. I don't have a problem with that but the organization of the images with the exception of the planets is so chaotic and impractical here and I wonder why the staff does nothing about that. --ShardofTruth 22:12, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
So what is the problem here? The second image you linked indicated that it is on the Achievements page. So again, I’m not seeing what is the problem.
And your entire second paragraph I find quite rude, unappreciative, and shows a lack of understanding. There are only four admins here for over 2000 articles and how knows how many images. Considering we have had a major release just two weeks ago, our priorities are elsewhere. If you want to start doing that, then go ahead, but don't push things off on the admins like you expect them to do everything. Lancer1289 22:42, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
I didn't want to sound rude and I understand your organization problem. What I don't understand is that if someone is trying to clean up a little bit (eliminating duplicate/inferior/superseded images for example) you tell him to stop and creating categories and templates for the same purpose is slowed down with more wiki bureaucracy I have ever experiencied on a gaming wiki. Again, I don't have a problem with the way you're working here, but it's obviously not working very well in the areas the staff has no time to look into. But that's only my point of view and the issue is defintely not important at the moment. Maybe I can come up with a good concept once the ME3 hype calmed down. --ShardofTruth 14:50, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
The system works, it just has built in time so people can express their feelings, concerns, suggestions about it. It actually works quite well as a matter of fact, it just takes a little more time. The fact is that from your comments, you again say that it is up to the admins to do everything, and that just isn’t possible. We have other things that need to get done, curbing vandalism, cleaning articles, and the simple fact is that we can’t be here 24/7. It isn't up to the "staff" to do everything, there are plenty of times where users do things on their own. Nothing is stopping you from coming up with a proposal now, it may just take a while for it to take effect. Lancer1289 16:17, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #5

In regards to the Catalyst article, it was a poor quality sentence. It doesn't seem to flow right and using the word processed twice in the same sentence seems unnecessary. If grammar is not important, that is fine. I just wanted you to be aware that I scratched my head when I read that sentence. There was no need to say or imply they were being processed twice in the same sentence. Once is enough to get the idea.--AdmiralPedro1stFleet 01:43, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

It is becoming readily apparent to me that no one can even read anymore otherwise people would actually read and respect my request on the top of my talk page. I specially ask people to leave a new message, yet it seems that few can follow this simple request, even when they have been told it multiple times.
As to the point, the fact remains that you removed information that is from the game. The notion that is a low quality sentence is highly subjective because I don't see why it is. Grammar in the sentence is fine as they are both needed. Lancer1289 01:57, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #6

Hi there Lancer1289, Am just seeking some clarification for why my trivia line on the Miranda Lawson page was deleted and how I can redeem my entry into something acceptable. You say,"nothing is a reference with devconfirmation" Okay. So how about "Mirnada's father Henry Lawson shares his name with author Henry Lawson" ??

You then refer to description of Henry Lawson as "iconic Aurtdralian 19th century author and folklorist" as being subjective. I have some difficulty with this. Henry Lawson is to Australian literature what Mark Twain is to American or Dickens is to English literature. A simple google of this will confirm my point. What alternative description would you advise?

I'm not trying to quibble, just asking for your advice on this matter as every player here in Oz gives a groan when they see that Miranda's dad is called Henry Lawson - the name carries a big cultural impact over here. Infiltrator N7 03:59, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Can anyone read what I ask at the top of my talk page? I specifically ask people to not edit in sections that have nothing to do with what they are asking, yet it keeps happening. Why it does keeps puzzling me because it is in simple English.
As to the point, what is the connection apart from the name? The answer is nothing. In order to allow name trivia, you need a lot more than just a connecting name to justify trivia. It doesn't matter how famous they were, if all they share is a name, then you need a lot to justify trivia. Either you need more, or you need to get devconfirmation. That is the only way trivia will be allowed. Lancer1289 12:31, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

ME: Infiltrator Armor pages and possibly weapon

There's 4 of these. These really should have all been one page of information. There isn't enough info about each armor to warrant its own page. I wanted to bring it up so someone could look into it and hopefully do something about it. I feel the same issue might come up with the weapons.--Xaero Dumort 05:02, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Since I have an android, not a iPhone, I can't speek for Infiltrator articles. However, given what I am seeing, I'd say that two articles "Armor (Mass Effect: Infiltrator)" and "Weapons (Mass Effect: Infiltrator)" would seem like the way to go. Lancer1289 12:34, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

This I am open to so long as all in-game descriptions of the items are accounted for.--AdmiralPedro1stFleet 18:38, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

They will be. Working on it right now. Pages that need to be marked for deletion are Cerberus Assault Armor (Mass Effect: Infiltrator), Stealth Suit, Aegis Defensive Armor, Infiltrator Armor. The only weapon is M-333 Beam that has a page as others are noted as trivia. Since there is no where to put this that I can think of, despite the size of the article, it should remain on its own until something is decided that I can't think of.--Xaero Dumort 18:51, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
Just turn them into redirects. Since that appears to be the only weapon, perhaps a new page, "Equipment (Mass Effect: Infiltrator)" would be better. Lancer1289 18:59, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
Sure, I'll do both those, as soon as I learn how to make a redirect after working on the page.--Xaero Dumort 19:14, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

That sounds a little more organized. Keep in mind though that the M-333 beam is a new weapon and not an old one like the other 3. Infiltrator also features biotics abilities and melee if you're thinking of an over-arching, large scale article that accounts for everything. If there's a way to make it all fit seamlessly, then that would also be a viable option.--AdmiralPedro1stFleet 19:13, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Please take this elsewhere as I don't need it on my talk page. Lancer1289 19:15, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hey need some feedback Lancer. There are three more categories, Abilities, Biotics, Melee in ME: Infiltrator and I figured one page for all three would be good to cover them and their upgrades, but wasn't sure what to call it. Was either leaning towards Upgrades (Mass Effect: Infiltrator) or perhaps more apt Abilities/Skills (Mass Effect: Infiltrator)--Xaero Dumort 20:18, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'd say "Abilities" and "Upgrades". Lancer1289 20:30, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
Alright. I'll get it done sometime tonight.--Xaero Dumort 20:31, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Javik trivia edit removed?

I'm new to the mass effect wikia, although I've been using it for quite a very long time, I was curious as to why my Javik post was removed? Javik is unable to equip shotguns, and yet he is portrayed with a disciple shotgun. I don't understand why it was removed if it was true. I just want some clarity so if I ever wanted to make any changes on future posts, I know about them. Thanks! --Dragoonxxxxxx 12:37, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Things that like that are trivial, not trivia. There is a difference. Lancer1289 18:19, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Granted, this post is not as important as the other posts on Javik, but with all due respect isn't a wikia about Mass Effect supposed to have every single bit of information regarding Mass Effect, whether small or large? Perhaps it would be a fantastic idea to create a "goofs" or "small importance" page with a list of minor overlooks such as the one I posted. I agree with you 100% on it being not important, but it doesn't hurt for others to notice it. I, for one, love to see goofs so I can have a good laugh at them every play through of the game. And judging from hundreds of forums with the same interest, it would only be an asset to allow such posts. In short: Make a page dedicated to trivial things of Mass Effect? It wouldn't hurt- only make the wikia bigger, stronger, and more informative (trivial or not.) --Dragoonxxxxxx 01:57, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Except it is long established that trivial items are not trivia. If we allowed all of those kind of things, then we'd have trivia sections that are longer than the article. If you think about it, the squad selection screen isn't part of the universe, it is a gameplay element, or a UI feature. And it would actually hurt the article because if we allow it once, then we have to allow the next trivial item, and that isn't an option. Lancer1289 02:08, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

It seems there may have been a misunderstanding with what I meant. I agree, trivial and trivia are very much different. Trivial content such as what I had posted do not belong in trivia sections, you are completely correct. Even more so, you are also correct about it hurting the section if it were posted there. Which is why I said quote "Make a page dedicated to trivial things of Mass Effect?". A complete page dedicated for trivial things, each with it's own sections of different characters, areas, missions, etc. If people wish to look up goofs in the game, then they merely type "Goofs" and an entire page dedicated to that would appear. I am not implying to put all trivial things in the trivia section. However, the only statement I see incorrect is the game play element. If the wikia had problems with posting UI features, then there would be no information regarding on the weapon statistics (A helpful UI interface that shows us all the weapon's ups and downs) nor any images of the weapons. Also, the codex would be shunned, due to the fact that the codex is a feature used to learn more of the Mass Effect Universe. I understand what you mean, but in my personal opinion, I think it is invalid. Of course, I could be wrong, as we are only human! (Now if I was a Salarian, that's a different matter entirely!) Also, I'd like to appreciate and thank you for the efficiency of your replies as well as response time. --Dragoonxxxxxx 02:27, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Except that page would end up being so long, so filled with subjective information, among other things, that I highly doubt it would stay around. I wouldn't support it, and I doubt much of the community would either. Articles like that, that are filled with trivial information, tend not to stay around for very long, or for that matter, get made at all. Lancer1289 03:02, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

"Hi, I'm commander Shepard, and I approve of your statement." Well, I suppose your right. That is a very justified point. Just an idea for the drawing board. Glad you listened to it at least. If you ever change your mind about it however, I'd be more than glad to post some interesting goofs many would find comical. Thanks for your time. I think I'll just stick to answering question on ME Answers and when I want information for something, I'll just look here. Until then, Hold The Line! --Dragoonxxxxxx 03:09, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I just noticed something. On Javik's trivia, it states he has unique dialogue. However, in the Manual of Style, it says quote "Please note that because all squad members have extra dialogue during missions, it isn't considered trivia. If you come across it, then please look at the style guide for dialogue pages and place it on the appropriate Character's page." Wouldn't that trivia be qualified for removal? Just trying to start lending a hand in the wikia. --Dragoonxxxxxx 03:30, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Neither actually as dialogue isn't trivia. However, there is a very different reason that is there. If you look at any squadmate article, they all have the "As with all squad members, (insert squadmate name here) has unique dialogue that can be heard at various locations, during missions or assignments, or if a specific squad member is in the selected team." That is permitted to link to the page. Nothing more. They are all the same. Lancer1289 03:37, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Trivia Page - Liara

Little confused, mostly tired and sleep deprived due to classes this week..

When I moved a lower section of the trivia, I was putting it 'above' the line it mentioned doing so, when it was below. I'm confused as to it being moved back since I didn't really move it out of order. o_o — Aryn Comms 02:10, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

The line is there so that people place new trivia above the trivia that is supposed to be there. Links to SB dossiers, SB Video Archive, and UD pages are at the bottom of the trivia sections by standard. Lancer1289 02:35, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Delete this blog.

Heres the link,[[8]], its not the ending comments that are the problem,but rather the religious debate.--Legionwrex 06:18, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Are you sure you want it deleted? Lancer1289 17:18, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
Why wouldn't I, its record was beaten so now all it is is hate from fans and a rather long religious debate, but thank you for asking.--Legionwrex 19:18, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
OK I will take care of it then. Lancer1289 19:30, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you.--Legionwrex 19:47, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #7

Hey, Lancer, what's going on? What's new?

Yes? Lancer1289 17:18, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Series Navigation

Hi, Lancer. I just registered and got the idea to add the series navigation to the ME3 plot missions. bevor doing so i just want to go shure you guys from the admins find that a good idea ;) --MaverikCH 10:55, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

The problem with the Navigation template is it really don't fit as well into ME3 articles. If you have some suggestions on it, I'd be happy to hear them, but I really can't see how they would fit. Lancer1289 17:19, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for reply. Just to give in code what i was thinking about:
{{SeriesNavigation|previous=Prologue: Earth|index=Missions#Plot missions 2|type=Mission|series=Mass Effect 3 Plot Mission}}
{{SeriesNavigation|next=Priority: Citadel 1|index=Missions#Plot missions 2|type=Mission|series=Mass Effect 3 Plot Mission}}
{{SeriesNavigation|previous=Priority: Mars|next=Priority: Palaven|index=Missions#Plot Missions|type=Mission|series=Mass Effect 3 Plot Missions}}
But i think i got your point: the navigation template is ment for missions and assignments following one after an other without breaks(?).
Now i understand why many mission and assignment articles, in ME2 for example, don't provide it.
Well actually i got something in mind: A navigation stating which next plot mission will be available and as well as which GaW Missions. Also which GaW missions should be completed. I know many articles state that already in text under the aquisition or preparation headers but i think my idea would give more structure and oversight. I also may provide with an example of my idea if you wish.--MaverikCH 19:41, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah it just don't really work, maybe for the prologue and that would be about it becuase that is the only missions that must be done back to back, but otherwise, perhaps not.
As to the other idea, that is something that requires a sandbox and a proposal in the Projects Forum for community approval. Lancer1289 19:44, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Event year

Hey Lancer, I've noticed that in some edits, IIRC, you included the year as an alternative reference to a Mass Effect game. While it is still technically correct, I feel that players will easily identify an event/situation through the ME game it belongs to simply because the year is probably harder to remember. I had it slipped my mind a few times myself. I think stating the year provides less contextual clues than directly referencing which ME an event happen. What do you think? — Teugene (Talk) 16:03, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

The reason is by listing the game, we break the in universe feel of the article. Generally, the title indicates what game it is from. Granted it may not be as easy, but articles are written from an in-universe perspective, so using the year, is much more appropriate. Lancer1289 17:11, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
I see the merit in that point. Though, I guess there's still no harm to have articles written from an in-universe perspective whenever possible but for the benefit of the readers understanding in the same time.
As I observed, Halo wiki has some references to their games. On the other hand, it seems that the AC Wiki does not do that. On a personal level, I find both equally readable. Hmm, come to think of it further, I supposed this is also dependent on how the articles are organized; our wiki is unique in such that subsections are divided according to the series rather than in a long continuous flow. — Teugene (Talk) 18:12, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
(edit conflict x3)Yeah it is somewhat unique, but at the same time we should keep it as in universe as possible. This means using years, and not titles. Lancer1289 18:31, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Hackett appearance

Ok so what would that info be? I'm an admin for multiple wiki's and it sounds like trivia to me. Does he show up somewhere else that I may not be aware of? Explain this to me please because that is some info some people might be interested in. --Casvic 18:21, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

It's not so much a trivia because most of the characters will have their first in-game appearance at one point or another throughout the series. Kahlee Sanders and Kai Leng, to name a few, comes to mind. Are we going to list them all as well? — Teugene (Talk) 18:24, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
(edit conflict x3)Ok now I know that no one can read simple, plain English instructions. I ask people to leave a new message, yet this seems to be lost on multiple people ,despite the fact the instructions are written in simple English.
As to the point, it isn't trivia because it is trivial. Things like that add nothing to the article apart from stating the obvious. And why does every time someone have their edit undone, so they say "oh it isn't done at (insert wiki here) wiki". What is done at one wiki doesn’t mean that it has to apply to all wikis. Eery wiki is unique. Lancer1289 18:31, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Because of the large span of time between hearing and seeing him. Hackett's first lines are at the very start of ME1 but we don't see him until the last DLC of ME2, no one else has that kind of gap other then maybe Kahlee Sanders. --Casvic 18:30, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

And that isn't trivia. That is trivial, and therefore not trivia. Lancer1289 18:32, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Wiki's formats shouldn't be based on your opinion, it is a public page, not your personal playground to dictate. There are plenty of things on my wiki's I don't personally like but I don't go around deleting them all because I don't agree. I tried to help but I've put up with too many short sighted dick-tators on these wiki's so I'm not going to bother helping anymore do whatever you want.

If that isn't the most arrogant, insulting, and bigoted statement that I've seen, than I don't know what is. The fact is that what you do, if you are even an admin, because I doubt very much that an admin would go around insulting other people like that, is irrelevant. What matters in this case is the standards and policies we have here. Nothing else. The fact is that we have standards, and that doesn't meet those standards, then it will be removed. It is not that I don't agree with the trivia, it is that it doesn't meet site standards. Lancer1289 18:42, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) If you so much claim to be an admin for multiple wikis, you would and should know that attacking and insulting a person is a big no-no, no matter what the other person said to you. Good attitude and behaviour do apply to all wiki regardless.

And to address the trivia issue again, it isn't trivia simply because it is not a highly unique situation for Admiral Hackett, despite the duration between first hearing him and his first in-game appearance. — Teugene (Talk) 18:46, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Unique Dialogue Additions/Organization

Have been doing a lot of work regarding the original Mass Effect unique dialogue pages. Just want to make sure I'm not doing anything wrong with changing some of this around and trying to improve the articles that I felt were a bit lacking. I'm assuming the work I've done is alright because I've yet to see any reverts, but also could be the lack of time on your part.

Being new to actually editing the wiki's aside from a minor edit just wanted make sure. Don't want to come back one day and find all the work reverted cause I wasn't doing something correctly. So if you could shoot a response it be nice. Thanks in advance. FearTheLiving

I can't see any problem currently. Those needed to be expanded. Lancer1289 23:03, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

James Vega Toast section revert

Its not "Questionable". Its fact. If you took the time to look up the quote, The original Scottish quote being: "Here's tae us, wha's like us? Damned few an' they're a' deid" Is considered a classic Scottish cheer to good health. More info

I'd like this reinstated. --Aceman67 10:00, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Done. In the future, you can always just leave a message on the talk page for the relevant article. You're likely to get results much faster that way. You can also use the aforementioned message to make a case for an undo, and undo it yourself. SpartHawg948 11:16, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Title #8

Hello, thanks for the (automatic?) welcome. One thing I couldn't find when looking around is any discussion of Multiplayer class/character pages. Is there any movement towards that, or is there a format being worked on, or is it something decided against for reasons I don't know? It seems to me that pages overviewing MP classes with subsections on individual character tactics and attributes would be pretty nice. I have no idea how to use the "projects" forum so I wanted to ask you first. Thanks!

Oh dang, I did not put a header or even do this right at all. That above is me, Ctrl alt belief 00:18, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Lancer, we could do a "Multiplayer Character Guide" ("Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer/Character Guide"?) article in a similar format as our Squad Member Guides. It occurred to me that our existing article for the multiplayer has no room for any kind of player notes like that. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:22, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
Yes it is an auto generated welcome that is done by a bot. As to the question, Commdor's idea seems to be a good one, but I think it would need some work before it could be done. I'd recommend opening a page in the Projects Forum to get feedback. I'm sure that a number of people would have it. Lancer1289 01:20, March 25, 2012 (UTC)


Hi Lancer. Just want to get your logic. On my opinion the missions or assignments shall be listet there were they occur - on the actual planets. some are in a cluster. for example: Tuchanka: Rite of passage > Tuchanka. Priority: Earth > Earth, Priority: Geth Dreadnaught > Perseus Veil. Therefor in that logic i removed the Rannoch missins on Preseus Veil article because their listet on Rannoch article. You have undone that. Though: Missions shall be listet on planets and their clusters?--MaverikCH 01:13, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

It is Site policy to list any mission or assignment on their respective cluster, system, and planet pages. For example, Jacob: The Gift of Greatness is noted on 2175 Aeia, Alpha Draconis, and the Rosetta Nebula pages. Lancer1289 01:21, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Attaching videos

Hi Lancer, I was wondering if it is okay that I emb in 3 videos into my blog? It just that with all the info and rumors floating around I want to attach some videos from a guy that clarifies to people the facts about the game development, both past and present. I feel that there is a lot of misunderstanding about BioWare, the development teams and their intent and people are getting worked up over things that are sked truths or just rumors. My hope is that these videos, particularly the last one calms people and promotes patience until BioWare respond in April. Thanks in advance for responding. -- KaloneousHelpDesk 02:02, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Sure. There is no policy that prevents users from embedding videos into their blogs or user page. The policy is that users cannot upload videos to the site.
As I'm currently in college pursuing a game design degree, I think people can use some enlightening on the development process. I know people aren't nearly as informed as they should be about it. I don't like the ending, but I feel that BioWare should expand on it, not rewrite it for various reasons. I know the devs are getting a very bad rap for this, and the problem is the fans are under some very incorrect ideas about what they did and what the developers had to work with. So I'm all for it. Just promise you won't start bashing them over things. Lancer1289 02:07, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

The 3 videos themselves are of a game developer guy talking about Mass Effect and possible scenarios in the first video but his other two videos (especially the last) really show the side of BioWares development team and near impossible task some people are expecting from them. I am nearly finished watching the last video but he really helped me see the developers side of things and I think some players/users/contributors would benefit from seeing all sides on this fairly. I agree with you about the endings too (though the Mass Relays being destroyed will always annoy me). I'll just finish watching this guys last video and then I will embed them into the blog. In case you want to watch it yourself here is the link (it's very long though):

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. -- KaloneousHelpDesk 02:21, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I look forward to seeing them. I'd also recommending summarizing them if you can and posting links, even if you embed them. That way, some people can look at them elsewhere if necessary. Lancer1289 02:23, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Lancer, I will work on a brief summary for them before attaching anything. I probably won't make any changes for a few hours though because I have college stuff to sort out (such are the demands of real life). I was wondering if the wiki had dropdown boxes so I could reduce the size of the blog and clarify what theories are now debunked etc. I have only ever seen the type of dropdown boxes for spoilers (if you know what I mean) so it may not be possible though. -- KaloneousHelpDesk 02:48, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Editing on Interrupts

I don't know why it made all those changes - I was only trying to change an "a" to an "an" as a grammatical correction. I had no intention to violate the page, and I have no idea how it happened. Martolives 15:24, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Same thing with the GX12 page - I didn't make those removals. I've looked at the editing history for both those pages, and it says I removed all that stuff, but I didn't.

On the GX12 page, I only changed the following:

From "Alternately, if you have already previously visited the Elkoss Combine Arsenal Supplies kiosk, head to the Normandy's Shuttle Bay and access the procurenent interface (the terminal in front of you towards the right as you exit the elevator) and browse the Elkoss Combine Arsenal Supplies catalog from there. Do note that buying through the procurement terminal costs an additional 10% on top of its original price."

To "Alternately, if you have already previously visited the Elkoss Combine Arsenal Supplies kiosk, head to the Normandy's Shuttle Bay and access the procurenent interface (the terminal in front of you towards the right as you exit the elevator). You can purchase the part in the Elkoss Combine Arsenal Supplies catalog for a 10% surcharge."

Similarly, I didn't remove any valid info from the Interrupt page - I don't know how that other stuff got edited. Before I publish, I always preview - I've edited a tonne of Wikis and I know what I'm doing. I don't know why this is happening. Martolives 15:43, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

I've just finished double checking my other edits, and none of them have resulted in any edits that were unintentional, so I honestly can't explain what's going on here.

Well something is going on, but since the edits are being made under your account, I'd recommend contacting Wikia. Lancer1289 15:50, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to change my password, too, just in case. Cheers.

Image Double Standards And Fanart

I noticed you removed many of ME3's cluster and system images and also nominated them for deletion because some HUD elements can be seen on them. Which would be the "Scan" button here and the fuel gauge/"Enter System" button here I guess. The problem is that the ME and ME2 images aren't any better. Do you see the big red cross and the inserted white planet names here or the fuel gauge/"Enter System" button here? I'm wondering why these elements are allowed on the old images but not on the new ones.
Which brings me to my second question: When is an altered screenshot considered fanart on this wiki? I haven't found a guidline on this topic, but I guess if adding some names on a screenshot is okay it's rather relaxed. I'm asking because it's quite possible to remove the red cross from ME screenshots and the hud elements from ME2/3 screenshots, but that could add up to some heavy image retouching and perspective cheating (e.g. putting parts of a cluster image together that can not be seen as whole in the game).
What are your requirements for a good cluster/system image? What should be seen, what not and which resolutions is prefered? --ShardofTruth 18:03, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism Report

User:Tagapagbalita vandalising pages - check history on Ereba

Still massive vandalism going on - admins need to do something here but I don't know who else to get a hold of.

Martolives 07:39, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

More drama on Vanguard Guide (Mass Effect 3) Martolives 08:15, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism also one Morality Guide (Mass Effect 3) Martolives 08:39, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

While I see the situation has been handled, in the future, contacting me after 12:00 am CST is a bad idea. By that point, I'm usually off and getting some sleep. Only on weekends or if I do not have class the next day am I possibly on after that time. Contact one of the other admins at that point for assistance. Lancer1289 14:31, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Who would be the most appropriate for me? I'm in Australia, where it's currently half past midnight. Martolives 14:34, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
Let's see. SpartHawg948 sometimes is on later than me as he lives on the West Cost of the US. However, JakePT is probably the best if he is on. He lives in Sydney, or at least he does according to his profile. Lancer1289 14:40, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Vector images

FYI SVG images are way forward in comparison with raster counterparts allowing for ultra-small sizes and infinite resolution. For that reason your edit was particularly unhelpful. SkyBon 21:11, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

And we even state that we want .png images, not whatever it is. If you want to put them in articles, then because of standing policy, you have to take it up. In the mean time, cease putting any images into articles. Lancer1289 21:17, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
LOL what? Where is it stated that raster images are preferred over vector ones? SkyBon 21:21, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
You know that really gets on my nerves, people who think site policy is a laughing matter. It never is. It is serious business so I expect it that people treat it as such. See Forum:File Name and Format Standards. Lancer1289 21:25, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, there we go then. SkyBon 21:35, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
And you can't even set up the page right to start. Lancer1289 21:40, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
So what? Does it make the idea any worse? SkyBon 21:43, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
Yes because there are instructions embedded in the page on how to set it up that you couldn't seem to follow. Lancer1289 21:48, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Jon Grissom Academy

Could you elaborate more on "Breaks in universe feel?" It seems like a big omission that the information page for the Academy does not have a link to the related mission in the game. GRPeng 20:34, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Main articles, (characters, places), are to be written from the perspective of someone looking at terminal on the Citadel. Articles are to read as if they are being read by someone inside the games. Lancer1289 20:42, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, that explains why I have been so annoyed with those pages. I was wondering why so many of them did not have links to relevant game information. I thought the idea of a wiki was to help people find information.... GRPeng 20:47, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Project enemy character clean-up

Hey Lancer. May I direct you to this forum thread and provide some feedback and ideass? Will appreciate it very much and thanks! — Teugene (Talk) 03:24, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

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