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SolitaryReaper

aka Dumat

  • I live in Inside a supermassive black hole
  • I was born on March 6
  • My occupation is Space cowboy
  • I am Male

Hi, welcome to Mass Effect Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the User blog:Chaoswolf75/What's the hardest choice you've had to made throughout the series? page.

Be sure to check out our Style Guide and Community Guidelines to help you get started, and please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Lancer1289 (Talk) 08:03, July 13, 2012

Language Policy Edit

Note that we do in fact have a Language Policy here. We have zero tolerance for inappropriate or crude language. Any further violations of this policy will lead to a ban. Lancer1289 (talk) 21:01, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Flamewar Policy. Edit

You do realize I changed many of the things from the original flamewar policy right? Please explain to me how this policy will "suppress innovative thinking" so I can attempt to change the policy, because if you look closely the policy actually supports innovative thinking, that is why it allows the conversation the flamewar was about to continue, so long as everyone remains civil.--Legionwrex (talk) 22:14, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

The Akuze fic Edit

Hi, I promised to let you know when I start publishing the Akuze story - here it goes, User blog: Ygrain/Long Days, Long Nights 1, and if you have changed your mind, feel free to ignore it :-) --Ygrain (talk) 09:03, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Changed my mind? Are you kidding? Your fan-fics are simply too engaging too ignore. I am looking forward to the next chapter. Please keep up the good work! SolitaryReaper (talk) 09:14, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, one can never be sure when people get fed up with my graphomania, so I always offer a way to back out :P --Ygrain (talk) 10:59, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Edit

Thanks for pointing out that there was already a blog on that subject. I have since deleted my blog because we have no need for two blogs on the same subject and reposted my personal comments on the other blog. Lancer1289 (talk) 13:55, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

No problem. SolitaryReaper (talk) 13:57, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Please Hold Edit

Please read my last comment on Forum:Operation Concentrated Effort. If you are interested in helping, then please sign up. Lancer1289 (talk) 13:25, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

I did sign up on Project Chronicler. You are advising to hold off till the project is fully operational? I have already edited several articles. SolitaryReaper (talk) 13:29, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

If we have people who sign up start editing every article before the project is implemented, it could, and probably will lead to problems down the road. The point of the project is to get a group of users to perform large tasks, discuss things together first, and provide a way for people to get things done quickly. If everyone who signs up just keeps going around editing, if what they did causes problems, it will just result in complications. The fewer edits the better, and in this case, waiting is the best thing. The project will open in a week from the forum date, provided we can get enough people to sign up, otherwise we will just go with what we have. Lancer1289 (talk) 13:35, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
Got it. SolitaryReaper (talk) 13:42, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
How about I make that comment easier to read. Good morning is the biggest oxymoron in the English language. Lancer1289 (talk) 13:46, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
I don't know if you are trolling me or not. But thanks anyway. SolitaryReaper (talk) 14:13, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
Actually if you look at the history, my second comment before I made the changes has several grammar errors that when I looked at it again, I was like "am I really that bad with mornings"? Lancer1289 (talk) 14:16, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Operation Chronicler. Edit

Greetings fellow Chronicler. I am just informing you that Project Chronicle has been launched, and you can find our main page here. I look forward to working with you and Zxjkl.--Legionwrex (talk) 20:16, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a plan for our approach to this project? --SolitaryReaper (talk) 20:29, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
Working on it. I think we should start by modifying the current character templet to mach all articles, but we can all discuss it on the page. If you have any ideas, please do not hesitate to present them.--Legionwrex (talk) 20:34, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Operation Concentrated Effort Edit

Operation Concentrated Effort is now on, and you have been chosen for the lead of Project Cartographer, focusing on the Planet, System, Cluster, and other navigation based articles associated with the Galaxy Map. The basic control page for the project can be found here and you can update the project goals as necessary. Please remember that communication and cooperation is vital to the project. It seems that you will be working alone on this project, for now, but you can recruit other members, which I'd encourage given the size and scope of this project.

Good luck. Lancer1289 (talk) 20:39, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, how exactly do I recruit other members? I mean, its voluntary and I cant force anyone to join. And by the looks of it, I dont think the probability of others joining is high. SolitaryReaper (talk) 20:46, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
You can ask around if you see someone editing planet articles or if you know another user is interested. I'm not really sure how else but what I know is to keep your eyes pealed because you never know. Lancer1289 (talk) 20:49, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Search and Rescue Edit

Please note that Search and Rescue items are not permitted in any system or planet article. Lancer1289 (talk) 17:33, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, why not? Certain war assets are obtained through scanning of planets and objects. They ought to be mentioned in the planet page. --SolitaryReaper (talk) 17:36, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
This is because of the centralized location of them. Lancer1289 (talk) 17:38, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, but planet pages would look much more complete if every aspect related to them is mentioned in the page, including war assets. ME1's feature was the mineral scans, ME2's was again the mineral scans(more detailed though) and ME3's is the war asset associated with planets. Completeness is what we are aiming at here right? SolitaryReaper (talk) 17:47, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

Character Template. Edit

The Policy Forum for the new character template has been created.--Legionwrex (talk) 17:16, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

worldtypes Edit

are deprecated. just to let you know we don't use that anymore even if it's present on the template. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 10:19, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I will get to work undoing all the changes involving worldtypes. Though there are certain worlds like Earth, Thessia,etc that have worldtypes associated with them, no?--SolitaryReaper (talk) 10:22, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

someone had the idea to add it on the templates way back and if i read the discussions on it correctly some of the higher-ups decided worldtypes create more troubles than it solves. no real meaningful distinctions between rock/barren/whatever worlds for starters IIRC.

for gas giants though you can simply add the category Gas giants. although reading that page apparently there's some criteria to fulfill before doing that just because some astronomy nut had his way with the category page way before we registered (i ignored those). T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 10:34, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I will keep that in mind.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 10:39, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Edit

You're welcome. Didn't want anybody to misinterpret that comment, it was a rather intelligent one. Leon S. Kennedy AKA Shepard 23:45, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, good on you good sir --Boss Hoss (talk) 23:45, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if you guys are being sarcastic or not, but thanks anyway.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 23:48, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

I can be not sarcastic when I want to be! --Boss Hoss (talk) 23:55, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not being sarcastic. Don't know about Mr. Hossel over there. Leon S. Kennedy AKA Shepard 01:38, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Project Cartographer Edit

Hey, Lancer told me to leave you a message on your chat page about me wanting to help you in Project Cartographer. Sqarkplugz (talk)

Thanks for joining this project. Visit the project page here for details.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 20:15, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Project Chronicle Update. Edit

Project Chronicle has been updated, please look at the comment section of the projects home page for your new assignment.--Legionwrex (talk) 19:51, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Voice Actor Imdb Linking Edit

Hi there, i noticed taht the Imdb-Page Links of the Voice-Actors direct nowhere. i get 404 not found message. Second i notice that we got Vikipedia Article (Armando-Owen Bailey) and Imdb Pages (Ashley Williams, Kaidan Alenko) as Voice Actor Links. --MaverikCH (talk) 21:48, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

I will get to fixing that.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 21:49, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
Looks like a major bug for all IMDB related voice actors. I have asked Commdor and Legionwrex for help.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 22:11, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
Just confused ;) Armando-Owen Bailey's Voice Actor is on Imdb too: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0389581/. Is there a specific reason for the Wikipedia Linking?--MaverikCH (talk) 17:47, October 30, 2012 (UTC)
If there is a Wikipedia link for a voice actor, that is preferred. This was set as policy here: Forum:Wikipedia instead of IMDb. Trandra (talk) 19:13, October 30, 2012 (UTC)
Thx, for clearence. Kaidans Voice Actor has a Wikipedia Page for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Sbarge. I think,if we go through them, there would be more. shall i propose a small project on this or will the guys on Mass Effect Wiki:Operation Concentrated Effort/Project Chronicler correct it? --MaverikCH (talk) 20:45, October 30, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for my late reply. As Trandra pointed out, Wikipedia pages take precedence over IMDB pages. I suppose we people involved in Project Chronicler will have to start working on that.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 22:38, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Question. Edit

So, I just have to ask this, did you change your user picture because that guy stole your old one?--Legionwrex (talk) 17:58, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to jump in here, but what's going on? Lancer1289 (talk) 18:02, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Partly because of that and also because that pic sucked(A rather late realization). Spectre inductee? It sounds so stupid now. *snorts* I prefer Alliance military.

Is there a problem Lancer?--SolitaryReaper (talk) 18:03, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, man you had me worried for a second Lancer. It's not a big deal, a new user came here using the exact same user picture as SolitaryReaper. SolitaryReaper commented on it in Chat!, and now he has changed his picture, so I was just wondering.--Legionwrex (talk) 18:06, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
That was all I needed. Thanks. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:18, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Chat Edit

My chat won't work, sorry I can't carry on that conversation. Sqarkplugz (talk)

Anderson Edit

Ping --Ygrain (talk) 20:47, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Chat Moderator Edit

Congratulations, you have been approved for Chat Moderator status. Please review the Chat policy to familiarize yourself with the rules and procedures you will need to enforce on Chat. If you have any questions or concerns, let me or another admin know. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:08, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for this prestigious honor. I will dedicate myself to the wiki and uphold all of its policies.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 00:13, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
Welcome to the club, Solitary.--Legionwrex (talk) 00:21, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, Legionwrex. I look forward to working with the club.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 00:24, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
congrats, solitary, you've earned it--TW6464 (talk) 00:03, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Unique dialogue pages Edit

To point out these pages have covered dialogue unrelated to squad situations before such as Liara's comments after leviathan if she is in a relationship with Sheperd--FossilLord 03:53, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

That isn't the point of those pages. It is for squad dialogue only. Anything else shouldn't be mentioned on those pages. They should be in the articles. Lancer1289 (talk) 04:00, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

As Lancer pointed out, unique dialogue pages are meant for squad situations. If Liara's UD page does contain the above-mentioned conversation, it should have been removed.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 5:04, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Uh Gentlemen? sorry i will assume you are all men. Gentlemen the point that i am trying to make is that these pages cover the unique conversations your have with your squad members regardless of the situation, if you really must take this information out you should place it some where it can still be linked to.--FossilLord 15:37, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

For now, the Normandy dialogues are being moved to the character pages.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 15:46, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Very well but i must insist that we create a separate page for the dialogue within the next few weeks a Normandy dialogue page, perhaps connected the the Normandy article could be useful if this is how we are treating the unique dialogue pages.--FossilLord 15:58, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

No because that isn't what they are for nor what they will ever be for. That dialogue isn't unique nor it is relevant to those pages. Lancer1289 (talk) 18:46, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Project Cartographer Edit

I request to be included in Project Cartographer.--I never miss (talk) 18:23, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

I have added you to Project Cartographer. Welcome to the project. Please read the project details and ask any questions you might have in the proper section.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 18:29, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Tribute Edit

I appreciate what you did there. I didn't know Gavin well but we do need a memorial wall for this. --Ygrain (talk) 17:36, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your support in this matter. Its nice to see people stepping up to honor someone whom they have never even met. There's hope left in humanity after all.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 16:35, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

hierarchies Edit

since you're currently on the subject of UD we'd appreciate it if you can research/add the dialogue hierarchies for each piece of dialogue, since there are instances where the other squadmember speaks first rather than the relevant squadmate (see javik's sur'kesh conversations, tali's interaction with the dead commando in lesuss and getting her to scream spiders in utukku for examples).

i'm too busy enjoying AC3 at the moment so... :3 T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 10:39, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Sure. I am currently on a playthrough without Garrus and Tali and I am going over all possible squad combinations, its easier when you have very few squadmates. I will try to focus on these hierarchies.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 12:30, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

What I believe Wikis have come to lately Edit

I am firmly in the belief that people take the "For Anyone to Edit" way to literally these days. I firmly believe that people think wikis are there for them to do whatever they want because it is there for them to edit. What many people fail to realize is that wikis have policies, procedures, and rules. When they are informed of them, they tend to throw a fit. People fail to understand that anywhere they go has rules, and a wiki is no exception. Lancer1289 (talk) 06:21, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I second Lancer's notion. People come here, having no idea what our policies are, and they make unnecessary edits and pages, without even asking someone about policy first. Then, they throw hissy fits when things don't go their way.--Legionwrex (talk) 06:26, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
With the mushrooming of teenage gamers who avidly enjoy their prizes with all the naivety and immaturity of a juvenile, the wikia community is getting overwhelmed by their childish tantrums. If only we had a way to filter out the "undesirables", maybe the new chat policy will rectify that to a certain extent.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 06:34, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
On'tde peakse of the atche olicype........(Pig Latin, incase you didn't know).....--Legionwrex (talk) 06:38, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Is this even supposed to be pig latin?--SolitaryReaper (talk) 06:53, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

You three sound very cynical. I always assume good faith until the user has proven otherwise. E.g. undoing new editors' improper edits without overly rude/snarky commentary, and perhaps adding helpful (rather than condescending) advice to their talk pages, if necessary.

What I'm trying to say is I understand you all get frustrated, but don't take it out on the "noobs." Trandra (talk) 08:03, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

We are not taking out our frustration on the "noobs", rather we are reprimanding them for failing to comply with community guidelines which they are supposed to go through before editing.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 11:45, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

If I may throw in my two cents, as well... teenagers can be very dedicated and have plenty of time to pursue that which they are excited about. That zeal can be harnessed and put to good use, if only you invest a little time and goodwill to guiding them. Contributing to the wiki is a voluntary work, and even though expecting people to read the guidelines is sensible, you shouldn't be too harsh on them if they don't: they are trying to contribute in their free time, of their free will, instead of merely sitting back and perusing what others have created, and that should count for something. --Ygrain (talk) 08:12, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Then ought not they to do so with a bit of responsibility by reading the MoS and community guidelines, the links to which are provided on their talk page after their first edit? No regard for rules and freedom over the internet domain can be counterproductive as evident from the state of the wiki nowadays, rampant with edit warring, vandalism and facepalm edits.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 11:45, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I can certainly sympathise with the plight of undoing multiple low-quality and/or unnecessary edits, but I do believe that it is possible to be somewhat more proactive towards combating this. As a sensible first step, why not incorporate links to the Concentrated Effort into the welcoming message? I cannot speak for others, but nowhere near enough people seem to be aware of my Project Nemesis guidelines, for example. 4Ferelden (talk) 08:17, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

People should read the pages you suggested, but they don't. Instead they impulsively make the wrong edit and then whine after being rebuked.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 11:45, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

First, sorry for my English, it's not my native language. 100% agree with Trandra and Ygrain. The frustration is really understandable regarding to the time you all spend for this really good wiki. Nevertheless, editing a wiki is not always easy but is, i think, always a sign of goodwill. Moreover, a wiki is meant to be edit and read by everyone (within the rule) and i can't understand why you are complaining about new users (editors and readers) : why are you editing if you don't want to be read ? And to support Trandra’s statement I will copy/paste a recent case of hard and condescending behavior during an undoing operation.

  • Well, yet another “no brainer” (lancer).
  • Sorry if this made anyone mad, it was my first post. If you want me to take it off I will, you'll have to tell me how. Again, sorry if I made anyone mad, I just thought it was too convenient that there was two mentions of him and no record of it (the new editor).

This is a really good example of a new comer who will never make an edit again…--DeldiRe 09:08, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

What you describe as "hard" and "condescending" behavior is simply an admin doing his job. How dare you accuse him in such a way?--SolitaryReaper (talk) 11:45, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't accusing the admin of anything. I just showed an example of an overreacting to an editor (with good faith). Would you enjoy to be treated as a brainless by a police officer doing his job in the street just because you made something wrong (but willing to do something good by improving a thing you like) ?--DeldiRe 12:07, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

No I definitely would not. I see your point and I apologize if I have come on too strong. But people have to be willing to make up for their past mistakes and in case of this wiki, that's hardly the case. Certainly there are exceptions, but their efforts are overlooked when dozens of other people just whine and go as far to insult the authorities when punished.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 12:14, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I think that the problem is the aggregation of all the bad edits/editors and it is normal that you can't react kindly to dozens of editors. I really can understand that. I see a solution to that without taking too much for the small admin team of this wiki : restrictions before editing : if you want to edit you have to be logged in and you have to read and accept the rules (who are more visible and more easy to read/understand). This kind of policy is maybe against the wiki ideal but it can be defended by the fact that this wiki do not need much edits because it is already very complete with a great quality. Moreover, by doing so, you avoid too much crap and fast edit and you make people think before an edit. Furthermore, is somebody do all the procedure before the edit, you can be sure that his edit come from good will and everybody will take time to time to explain his/her mistake(s) and how improve the quality of his/her edits. It is surely not the best option but I think that something should be done to avoid that good admin/editors lose their faith into the community of editors and to avoid new comer to be frustrated by an admin undoing his edits too fast and without a proper explanation or an explanation that he do not understand (and I’m not saying that you always do that! Most of the time, a good explanation is given and the undo is necessary). My tone of voice is maybe a bit aggressive but it is not my attention (as i said my English is far from perfection), i just want to improve thinks for my favorite wiki.--DeldiRe 12:32, January 3, 2013 (UTC)


ugh. can't keep up with the back and forth so i'll just leave this here and be off to more productive pursuits for the time being.

let's dissect a few cases today (out of A LOT):

  1. mvorr - created the jona page. probably resolved when user realized mistake on own part; got too ADHD-addled on the F5 button to even notice the edit histories or the TWO warnings on user talkpage
  2. sgtjenkins - some guy who kept adding nontrivia on diana allers' page (her worst character win on some nonnotable site). warned, persisted, blocked. previously IP contributor.
  3. ouroborobius - some guy who kept persisting on oghren similarity on ogrinn. previously IP contributor. action pending.
  4. ronneh - tried adding something to the ME2 guide regarding miranda's unsuitability for biotic shield. don't really disagree with the addition myself since it's true (albeit redundant) but solitary here thinks otherwise
  5. sniperleader129 - blogged asking if the citadel's being an o'neil cylinder when the exact same trivia already exists in the page proper. also uploaded 2 crap images now put up for deletion.
  6. david latapie - tried adding unconfirmed romance bits to kelly, reverted. said user has made nothing but facepalm (reverted) edits in listed contributions.
  7. maro87 - added inappropriate categories on the mako. hit or miss editor in the past, mostly miss.
  8. nihiltres - made sweeping changes to multiplayer gear section of the char customization page without community discussion. promptly reverted and now trandra's on the way to rectifying the situation.
  9. too many anons whose "contributions" ranged from fail to borderline vandalism

ignorance of the law excuses no one. although there are way nicer things of reminding people that, as some of you pointed out. and given the state of the wiki today it's just better if the lot of you asking for a more proactive approach on newbies do it yourselves. since you're "regulars" on this wiki "community" and all. do not let the less nicer ones like me run the show. which is pretty much what's happening because where the f- are you when "those poor newbie editors" are being chewed out anyway. in the blogs?

srsly, there's no excuse for the unacceptable number of idiotic edits lately. very green editors do not know there's such things as "guidelines" or "page histories" so when they think their changes have no effect they edit war. but then again what the f-'s the use of the "you've got new messages" notification if the headsups don't even reach their recipient? or if they did, then the user chose to ignore it, why in the name of satan other than severe mental retardation and/or misguided bullishness would they persist?

wrote a more vitriolic analysis but got waaaaay too long and trashed it. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 13:33, January 3, 2013 (UTC)


As someone who's had to deal with numerous vandals and "green" editors, I know that it can be extremely frustrating dealing with them sometimes. However, it's not always their fault. You can't blame them for their ignorance. They're not always going to be in a position to see the policies or guidelines. If you want new users to understand the policies and how to edit, you just have to be patient. You can't be sardonic, or rude. Doing so only discourages users from editing properly and according to established guidelines. You do not have to be condescending or rude to be an admin. You can be firm but fair. Editors are always going to make new edits. There's no way around that. Some are simply ignorant, whilst others are truly harmful and should be reprimanded, but not until they've made it clear they have no desire to help the wiki. "ignorance to the law" isn't a fair standard to hold here, because in reality, if you don't know of a law, you are likely going to be shown some leniency due to the fact that you weren't purposefully causing trouble. These new editors are just trying to help, and punishing them for it, without even bothering to lend a helping hand, is simply counter-productive.

By acting in any sort of condescending manner, an admin can instigate the very thing they complain about. If you want people to edit the right way, you need to be helpful, friendly, and most of all, patient. Cold and condescending isn't going to attract people to this site, and it won't convince the ones that are here to help.

Well, that's just my two cents.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 14:39, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I am going to say just this: New users should go through the MoS and the community guidelines at least once before attempting to edit, even a cursory examination should enable them to make the edits without kicking up a fuss from the community. But the reality is people don't give a [redacted] about rules and regulations these days.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 15:02, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to bring this to your talk page, Solitary. For the most part, I agree with Temporaryeditor78 and his analysis. If the "nicer" users want to help, they should involve themselves, but no, the expect the admins and others to handle it and lead the charge, while they sit on the side lines and criticize people trying to actually do something.--Legionwrex (talk) 15:24, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Most of them don't know they exist. How can you when you first edit? You have to cut these people some slack. Contempt for new users is exactly what gives this wiki such a rotten reputation. --The Milkman | I always deliver. 15:30, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid I won't have the time to adress the issue properly today (and tomorrow doesn't look any better, as I'm back at work after the holidays) but perhaps we might stop ravaging SR's talkpage with this and take it elsewhere, perhaps start a forum? It's rather obvious that this subject deserves a profound discussion as it is a recurring problem. - If you do open a forum for this, please let me know, I'll try at least to keep up if not contribute. --Ygrain (talk) 17:03, January 3, 2013 (UTC)


I would ask people to consider the intended effect of what they are writing and how it will probably be read, try to make them correspond. Also remember that while you may be frustrated by having to deal with many different people doing similar things that detract from the wiki in some way, realise that the person you respond harshly/sarcastically/angrily/etc to is going to most likely only see part of the story and think that it is a more personal attack on them rather than the culmination of several people's bad work. You have to also realise that (no personal offence intended to any of the admin team but nonetheless offence will probably be taken) from the newbie's point of view, an admin is basically a bad guy, he seems to be waiting there ready to slap a revert or warning or ban or anything else on their edit. From an admin's point of view I realise you are trying to protect lots of time and effort spent (by you and others) to polish your wiki from being wrecked by careless or malignant editors (looking at the edit history of the catalyst and james vega should prove that these kind of people do turn up and edit).

So now that we have taken the time to consider what each side is feeling like, how do we solve it?

Renegade option: Are we looking to cut the stream of new editors and others into the community? (it may not be popular with the admins since it results in blogs and stuff in the chat that you have to monitor but ultimately we are something of a community). Because I think that has a high potential to backfire, this is the internet where people have time on their hands and the boon of being anonymous. Being openly aggressive to new editors could on one hand get rid of them so only people who know how to make good edits remain, or alternatively it could stir up resentment among them and then you will be having people targeting your wiki to get a reaction out of you. It will overall probably land you somewhere in the middle, lots of people think badly of you but then go elsewhere, others act aggressively back.

Overly paragon option that will require lots of admin work: Try to incorporate newbie edits by tweeking and rewording them so that they still carry a hint of what the newbie was trying to add, but conform more (much more effort then pressing undo I know). Keep up pointing out the Mos and guidelines after someone's first edit. You will also need to accept that just as, few people read the terms and conditions when creating accounts on things and installing software, people rarely go actively looking for the rules and guidelines before they try something for the first time. Hopefully with fewer flat out revert edits which just wind people up, you will get some more people who will be compliant with the rules when shown them, and who will in time become decent editors. (to take myself off the high-horse, I do not think I have travelled overly far down this since I get by edits with more use of common sense and looking at similar pages than knowing the MoS and guidelines)

I hope for your sake that you can think of some other options to fit here too because either you will have a lot of work or a lot of hate directed at you. Midnightpiranha (talk) 02:38, January 4, 2013 (UTC) TL:DR? I'm not going to summarise for someone who didn't even skim read.

Lets stop bothering Solitary with this. The admins shouldn't have to work hard because "newbies" (even though many aren't new) are ignorant of our policies. If they get all upset and whine about their edits being reverted, even when presented with evidence why, than there is really no need for them and they should get off their high horse. Honestly, I could care less if they are upset, because they have shown that they could care less for our policies and disrespect this wiki as a whole.--Legionwrex (talk) 02:55, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Just to throw my couple of pennies in here... (Sorry, SR, but I was oot and aboot all day, as they say north of the border) There's one thing I'm finding very disturbing in this discussion. One side (the people arguing against the proposed policy) seems to be working very hard to caricature and demonize the other (people like me, Lancer, Legionwrex, etc) who are promoting the proposal. We're "condescending", "cold", and come down hard on people. We feel "contempt" toward new editors. Because of is, the wiki has a "bad reputation". We support "draconian rules" that are "self-serving" and "exist only to create problems and punish users". When one side is bashing the other this consistently and this blatantly, how can anyone expect there to be meaningful compromise and consensus? What happened to disagreeing without being disagreeable? I understand this topic breeds some level of frustration, but if we're going to get anywhere, both sides need to treat each other with a modicum of respect. And I know that, with very few exceptions, I'm not feeling any respect from the people on the other side. You want us to assume good faith on the part of new editors. If so, perhaps assuming good faith on our part is a good way to start. SpartHawg948 (talk) 07:33, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry again solitary (we really should create a forum to discuss this issue) and sorry for my bad english (i'm not from UK or US). To respond to SpartHawgg, i (and others) already said that we have a lot of respect for the wiki's quality and of the work of its bigger contributors (mostly the admin). We understand your frustation with "newbies", vandals, kids and so on.We have good faith and if we argu with you it is only to improve wiki's ambiance and quality. We also know that you don't use rules against users for pleasure and that you are only doing your admin "job". So, if you want a good debat with good faith in both sides, do not say that we dont respect you, it is simply not true. You can critic someone and have a lot of respect for him. And moreover, don't take it personnaly, we are trying to make a comment to the wiki's community as a whole. So what am i (we) trying to do with my previous post's arguments ?

  • Improve the atmosphere for news comers and admins
  • Improve the numbers of good editors
  • Imrpove the quality of the wiki
  • Reduce the frustration amons new comers and even among admin
  • Avoid the departure of a pottentially great new contributor
  • Avoid good admins to be bored and then leave the wiki
  • Improve and soften rules
  • Improve the awareness to the rules and the willingness to follow and respect them
  • Improve the knowledge of newbies of technical issue of the wiki
  • ....

--DeldiRe 16:13, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well look what we have here... Edit

If it isn't one of our new Senior Editors! Congrats! SpartHawg948 (talk) 08:47, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations! Trandra (talk) 08:47, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Congratulations. You have certainly earned it. Lancer1289 (talk) 09:00, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Senior editor.... Impressive--TW6464 (talk) 16:33, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations, Solitary. You have most certainly earned this.--Legionwrex (talk) 17:23, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations. I haven't been as active as I'd like to be, but even so I have noticed that you have been a very helpful editor and are deserving of this honor. Arbington (talk) 22:44, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Also congrats. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:56, January 6, 2013 (UTC)


I can't believe it! Senior editor, me? This is indeed a great honor and I will do my best to live up to the expectations of the community. I am feeling guilty about not being able to edit these past few days. Promoted to senior editor and absent for duty. All because of this horribly busy month. I won't be able to do much editing in January but will try to drop in from time to time.

Thank you all for your vote of confidence.--SolitaryReaper (talk) 05:21, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

as fellow a senior ed batchmate i am compelled to send this utterly impersonal congratulatory message to you and legionwrex on having your contributions recognized by the community. right after everyone else has finished.
doc chakwas has some things for you. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 11:32, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Catching you up. Edit

Well, it's been kinda crazy around here. Like full blown rebellion crazy. Most of what happened is summed up (though in a somewhat biased form) on -Algol-'s blog.

Basically, on the newest chat policy Ygrain was caught canvassing for votes, so, in one crazy night, the policy was passed, Ygrain was banned, you I and Temp were promoted to SE, and a lot of people were P.O.ed.

So now for the past two weeks, there has been this big cross-wiki thing on Ygrain's ban and whether it and the passing of the policy was an abuse of admin power. So Ygrain has kind of become a symbol for a lot of hate people have had here that is blowing up now. Ygrain's ban has since expired, but she had apparently left the wiki. So now there is this big thing going on in a ME wiki civil war of sorts (I might be exaggerating a bit, but I can't help it, my personality is becoming Varric from DA2 and I am trying to tell a good story :P). I recommend checking out Ygrain's talk page, Spart and Lancer's talk page, and the links on them and on -Algol-'s blog so you can see the situation for yourself, then make your own opinion on it.

P.S. I almost forgot, Mr.Mittens had his CM powers revoked because of what he said on Ygrain's talk page on the DA wiki, check it out.--Legionwrex (talk) 04:18, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

So you know, the usual :P Bluegear93 (talk) 10:24, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

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Hey, it's me, User:TomWelling! Don't you remember. We chatted in Wiki Chat about 2 months ago. How are you? Superman-Logo-Signature-QaYYum.png ~TomWelling~ Superman-Logo-Signature-QaYYum.png 02:37, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

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