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Hi Temp, As we spoke lately, I'd like to apply as a chat mod for two main reasons:

  • The chat is used more and more often;
  • The current chat mods are inactive.
Therefore, it seems to be important to have a "watch" in order to remind that our chat has rules. As an "old" active user, I think that I'm up to this easy task. Moreover, as I live in Europe, I would also recommend to appoint another american (not especially USA) mod to ensure a daily presence on the chat during every moment of the day. --DeldiRe (talk) 13:04, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
alright, the requisite notice has been passed to the other admins. as a matter of form, one week wait for an answer. 13:23, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
Chat Moderator application
I'd also like to apply for Chat Mod, for largely the same reasons as above. This chat is not dead, yet it currently has no active moderators. I'm usually available at any hour except 2:00-8:00 (UTC), and I think I'd make a nice and decent moderator. Elseweyr (talk | stalk) 13:25, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
well that was fast. or slow. depending on perspective. :p
i've shot a followup PS. 13:32, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
You were faster. (I meant to group it together with DeldiRe's reqest.) Elseweyr (talk | stalk) 13:38, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
Dunno if it matters any, but in my own opinion DeldiRe and Elseweyr are excellent choices for chat mods as during my more active state they always seemed present on the chat, and they both seem very aware of the rules of the wiki. Garhdo (talk) 14:14, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
Chat Mod Application
I would not like to apply for chat mod status. ktnxbai Lksdjf (talk) 00:15, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
Your non-application has not been passed to the other admins. Trandra (talk) 15:37, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
zzzzing 07:37, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Temp, As you will see, I started the implementation of the project for external content. I already started not because I was too eager but because I had times today to do it which will not be the case in the next few days (at least I think so). I started with a small (and not complex) article in order to not disturb the mainspace. Stop me if I'm wrong... In a gentle way please! Thanks. See you ;). --DeldiRe (talk) 16:26, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

  1. In addtition to adding us two new ones, may I separate the active mods from the inactive ones on MEW:Chat Policies? It doesn't seem useful to make it appear as though most of them are available when in fact they barely even edit anymore – with the exception of Garhdo and the two of you active admins – let alone show up in Chat.
  2. There's a rule that says a user may not use Chat within 30 days of being banned. Isn't this dependent only on the length of time specified for the ban?
  3. Will we get fancy new RC colours? :3
  4. Can we please change the kick message to "$2 has thrown $1 out the airlock"? ( ...that was a joke.) Elseweyr (talk | stalk) January 10, 2014, 10:27:31 (UTC)
right, nearly forgot to respond to this. sorry about that :p
  1. probably not. we can't really speak for the others and there's always the odd chance they may feel like loitering by the chat one of these days.
  2. i think lancer was just making an example of that 30-day clause.
3-4. :3 17:35, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
No prob, I'd have just dropped a gentle reminder tomorrow or something.
1. I thought it'd be easy enough to ask each seemingly inactive mod whether they'd like to be considered active, and if they don't respond in a week or so move them to the inactive ones until further notice. But I'll defer to your wisdom.
2. Oh alright, guess I'll just leave it then. Although it did confuse me.
4. To kiked user: "Elseweyr has thrown you out the airlock!!!" ° ヮ°
On a sidenote, this should say "Volunteer Spam Task Force", not Vandalism Spam etc. Elseweyr (talk | stalk) January 11, 2014, 18:13:32 (UTC) 18:13, January 11, 2014 (UTC)

Some day, I intend to propose the creation of dialogue pages and sections. I was wondering whether this should be done as a policy proposal or a project proposal. It would involve changes to existing pages and the Manual of Style but would be an expansive endeavor (that I would probably not be able to do on my own). Thanks. TheUnknown285 (talk) 16:19, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

we already have unique dialogue sections. what else is there to consider. everything else?
extending the concept to everything would be folly. this could work if mass effect had straightforward lines like most other story-driven games, but tracing everything is something you, me, or anyone else for that matter will never have the patience to complete.
not to mention most of it would be extremely redundant to article content. 02:53, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
That doesn't answer my question as to whether it would be a project proposal or a policy proposal. TheUnknown285 (talk) 05:26, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
To answer your question: since a policy proposal is voted on immediately, you might want to present your work in the projects forum first. Some sample of what you wish to accomplish is needed so we know what we'd be voting on; keeping it in the projects forum first allows you to get feedback and, if necessary, adjust your proposal accordingly. Elseweyr (talk | stalk) January 16, 2014, 08:06:41 (UTC)

I have another suggestion. I suggest to add to all squadmates informations about their initial protection level, which means their initial numbers of points of shields, barriers, armor and health. I think it should be noted how durable the squadmates are, if players plan building their squads for missions just like they plan, when they are going to play on Multiplayer. Not just powers, but also health points matter in gameplay. I know there are advices on class guides about taking squadmates for certain classes, but I think health numbers make decisions more specific and easier to make.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 20:51, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

get all initial data on all squadmates on ME2 and ME3 and then we can talk. this idea isn't applicable for ME1 as the base values there scale with level. 16:16, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Here is health data of ME3 squadies. Permanent squadies

  • squad h b/s
  • EDI 500 500
  • KAIDAN 500 500
  • James 625 625
  • Javik 500 600
  • Garrus 500 500
  • Liara 200 500
  • Ash 625 625
  • Tali 500 500

Temporary squadies

  • Aria 600 600
  • Nyreen 500 500
  • Wrex 1325 795

And here is health data of ME2 squadies. Permanent squadies

  • Jacob 200 250
  • Mira 200 250
  • Grunt 322 300
  • Zaeed 200 250
  • Garrus 210 250
  • Mordin 200 275
  • Kasumi 200 250
  • Thane 200 250
  • Samara 200 250
  • Tali 200 250
  • Legion 200 250

Temporary squadies

  • Liara 200 250

FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 20:17, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

first, aria/nyreen/wrex aren't permanent. second, i said all squadmates. that includes the citadel dlc guys. 12:42, February 2, 2014 (UTC)
I'll change it.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 12:51, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Might I jump in and say some of those stats are wrong. Here is my correction: Permanent squadies

  • squad h b/s
  • EDI 500 500
  • Kaidan 500 500
  • James 500 500
  • Javik 500 600
  • Garrus 500 500
  • Liara 200 500
  • Ash 500 500
  • Tali 500 500

Temporary squadies

  • Aria 600 600
  • Nyreen 500 500
  • Wrex 1000 600
  • Grunt 1000 750

And here is health data of ME2 squad. Permanent squad

  • Jacob 200 250
  • Miri 200 250
  • Grunt 300 300
  • Zaeed 200 250
  • Garrus 200 250
  • Mordin 200 250
  • Kasumi 200 250
  • Thane 200 250
  • Samara 200 250
  • Tali 200 250
  • Legion 200 350

Basically, in ME2, everyone starts with 200 health, 250 shield except Grunt and Legion. And in ME3, everyone starts with 500 health, 500 shield, except Liara, Javik, Wrex, Grunt and Aria (Anderson, too, but surely he's not important). Having said that, I feel it would be more useful to note the maximum health and shields obtainable for squadmates, taking account of extra bonuses besides powers, like armour in ME3 and shield upgrades in ME2. Tali's no.1 fan (talk) 13:18, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the correction, Tali's no.1 fan.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 13:23, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Now when we have all data, I ask if I can already add them to all sqaudmates?FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 20:42, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

what part of "i said all squadmates. that includes the citadel dlc guys." did you not understand? 00:00, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
We have all data, Tali's no.1 added a note "Basically, in ME2, everyone starts with 200 health, 250 shield except Grunt and Legion. And in ME3, everyone starts with 500 health, 500 shield, except Liara, Javik, Wrex, Grunt and Aria (Anderson, too, but surely he's not important)." I thought that means we already have all data. Do you understand?FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 08:13, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Is this, what you wanted to see? Permanent squadies

  • squad h b/s
  • EDI 500 500
  • Kaidan 500 500
  • James 500 500
  • Javik 500 600
  • Garrus 500 500
  • Liara 200 500
  • Ash 500 500
  • Tali 500 500

Temporary squadies

  • Anderson 600 750
  • Aria 600 600
  • Nyreen 500 500
  • Wrex 1000 600
  • Grunt 1000 750
  • Jacob 500 500
  • Miri 500 500
  • Zaeed 500 500
  • Kasumi 500 500
  • Samara 500 500

And here is health data of ME2 squad. Permanent squad

  • Jacob 200 250
  • Miri 200 250
  • Grunt 300 300
  • Zaeed 200 250
  • Garrus 200 250
  • Mordin 200 250
  • Kasumi 200 250
  • Thane 200 250
  • Samara 200 250
  • Tali 200 250
  • Legion 200 350

Temporary squadie (only Liara is available to change)

  • Liara 200 250

FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 08:33, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

for fuck's sake you don't understand. thought as much.

so you took it upon faith not to verify the armax arsenal arena squadmates' stats yourself just because someone said "everyone has 500/500"? sloppy and unacceptable. VERIFY THE DATA YOURSELF. only then will i step in to verify things myself before allowing the project to enter community discussion and approval.
i could've done this ridiculously easy task weeks ago myself. correctly and accurately. but i'm a busy man. and this isn't MY project proposal, it's YOURS. the least you can do is at least be competent and responsible enough in providing easily-retrievable numbers for YOUR own damn project, not making others do everything for you.
this is a lesson in responsibility, not just a piss-poor venting excuse. 08:59, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
Please try to be less rude. It's understandably frustrating when others make mistakes and waste your time, but FirstDrellSpectre is clearly trying to be helpful and do it right. It is possible to just say "no, try again" as opposed to being downright insulting, unless the intention is to humiliate and scare a good faith editor off for good. Elseweyr [ talk | stalk ] February 7, 2014, 12:13:47 (UTC)
i could care less with hurt egos over the internet. overfixation over such trifles never resolves the more pressing problems. ever. my message is clear: get and verify the requisite data. it's so simple and people still manage to fuck that up. if you want to hold his hand, fine be my guest. might be we resolve this matter faster with more people, preferably not incompetents, actually involved. now if you'll excuse me, i have eyes on more important matters. 14:51, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
In the long run that's a self-defeating approach, as it costs nothing extra effort-wise to be nice or at least civil, and will gain you a lot more help, cooperation, and interest from the community down the road. It would have taken a lot less typing than you did to just clarify you meant the squaddies like Jack and Zaeed that you can hit the ME3 Citadel "simulator" with, that Jack is missing from the ME2 list as well, and that he should please verify all the numbers himself first before proceeding not take anyone's word. Or to just send him to the Projects forum in the first place and crowdsource the effort to the community. Just saying. Cattlesquat (talk) 16:27, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

As an admin, I would expect a far more civil tone than this. You are acting like the new Lancer. I am sorry if my intervention earlier has caused issues, but there is no need to resort to such cruel language over what is, as you said, trifles. Tali's no.1 fan (talk) 10:16, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

Fixed the thing. You're welcome (:

YATTA ヽ( ° ヮ° )ノ @fandom ☆ | 2014年01月22日、01:19:02

ah, so that way works. the editor's syntax highlighting (and the long refresh times) kinda put me off from trying that. thank you, and welcome to the wiki. 13:27, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome, and thanks to you as well for the nice welcome, but as for editing on this wiki, I'm afraid I have to disappoint you – I don't play any of the games, and have my own wikis and Dutch community to take care of (:
On another note, Elseweyr suggested that you could archive your talk page (aka. copy paste all messages from before 2013 into Special:MyTalk/Archive01). Using tabber is very much helping against the amount of scrolling, but the page is heavy and therefore takes a while to load.
YATTA ヽ( ° ヮ° )ノ @fandom ☆ | 2014年01月22日、02:21:12
it's part personal preference, part laziness, and part curiosity, really, why i keep my talkpage the way it is. i'm not really fussed with loading over 300kb of data every time, though i -will- have to do some housekeeping down the road if the motivation ever hits. 15:23, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
Have you ever considered that the huge loading times may render others unable to even open this page? Plus, putting the content in an Archive would assure that previous messages will remain untouched by careless newbie editors. Of course, an accidental edit is easily reverted, but if it ever happens it does save you that minute.
YATTA ヽ( ° ヮ° )ノ @fandom ☆ | 2014年02月07日、12:35:07
yeah, of course i'm aware of how this may look like to others.
others are likely viewing this on devices and bandwidth standards post-dialup era. and of those others just lurking elsewhere on the wiki the number of people who want to contact me for some reason can be generously guesstimated with the fingers of at most both hands.
as i said, i'm a naturally lazy person, and since anything in userspace is its owner's property according to established rules it's entirely up to me if and when i initiate changes. 14:43, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

So, admin. How do you define, "trivia"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CaptainThunderdude‎ (talk · contr).

Mass_Effect_Wiki:Manual_of_Style#Trivia_sections. 07:25, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, a couple of rules I see that you, yourself have broken in the past (Developers by no means confirmed a direct link between Cerberus and Chasca; that's called speculation. Speculation on part of the characters is still nothing better than speculation. On a wiki, it's Word of God or as good as silent). It's become apparent to me that you're a very... unprofessional admin. And while I don't doubt your positive effect on this community and am by no means calling you an inherently negative influence (With 6000 edits under your belt, you must have done some good) you have a notable attitude and a tendency to alter edits based upon personal opinion. Often shakily founded personal opinion. So I'm done. The edit means nothing to me, and neither does this... situation. You are what you are, and I assume that you know that. I hope your e-peen gets you somewhere respectable in life, really I do. It is, as you say on your page, automatically bigger than mine. How many bits is that in diameter? Thunderdude, signing out. CaptainThunderdude (talk) 07:40, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Hey there. I'm trying to contribute to an addition to Oleg Petrovsky, trying to inform players what happens if he is killed. I saw you keep deleting my posts because you think it is "irrelevant." If it is irrelevant, then you should delete the section about what happens if he lives.

All I was trying to do was inform people about what happens if a player chooses to let him die, because I think it is important, and players would want to know what happens when either option is choosen. You can mod my post if you want, but to delete it out-right, I felt, was a little much. Just consider it is all. I'll give ya a day to think it over, I'll post it one more time, then if you still don't want it up, you can delete it, and I'll lay off. Promise. Thanks! =)

how about no. you are adding invalid information, and you are requesting to remove valid information. 07:25, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Last night's troublemakers:


Elseweyr (talk | stalk) January 23, 2014, 22:36:51 (UTC)

Hi. I noticed the wiki has many, many pictures with the most appalling names; I think they're the worst pictures of this website. Then I wondered, as they were so similar in treatment, if maybe they all were from the same user. And then I knew I was right, and that user was you. So what happened? How come they're so terribly named?... The names aren't descriptive enough. The image names don't follow even the most basic of English grammar. Was it the way you were taught?... What happened? (of course, it's not your fault if you didn't understand what your English teacher was saying)

Then I noticed that most of the pictures you upload are always terribly named. Do you realize that most of the images you upload have awful names? Don't you see that the names aren't even grammatically correct? Maybe you aren't a native speaker of English?... Do you save them with Paint, and then just type whatever comes to your mind? Bad idea! Most of the image names don't even follow basic capitalization. You should fix that or stop uploading pics, because it spoils the wiki a lot. It's quite evident that you don't have even the slightest understanding of how images should be named on a wiki, so I'd advice you to not resume this unless you're prepared to improve it.

And don't worry, it's nothing personal, I just try to understand and make you understand. Overall it's sad because I know the time and commitment that is put into uploading these images. ;-) An anonymous friend 03:44, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Now that is really the most strange badmouth disguised as complaint I saw around this wiki...By the way, I see no problem with his uploads. MasterDassJennir (talk) 03:53, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Just changed the release date of ME:F7 from "2013" to "2014" on the main page and "vandalism" to "volunteer" in the VSTF bullet on the community messages page. Hope it was alright; let me know if I'm treading on toes. Elseweyr [ talk | stalk ] January 29, 2014, 08:22:15 (UTC)

huh. could've sworn i got the year right for f7. i'm stuck in the past, oh noes.
anyways, no biggie, these seem like things you can do in your capacity as a wikian indentured servant helper. thanks for picking up the slack. :> 23:19, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Temporaryeditor78,

The Featured Article section on the main page seems to be pouring over to the side rail on smaller screens and distorting the view. This is because of the 700px static width placed on the div and the border. Is it possible to set the width to 100%, or max-width:700px;?

Kind regards,

T3CHNOCIDE (talk) (contribs) 19:23, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

thank you for spotting the oversight, it seemed well enough when looking at it from my tablet vertically. totally overlooked to see how it appears horizontally. :p
i'm opting for the max-width cap since the box stretches too much at higher screen resolutions. seems i've misread earlier fluid layout reports as all i gleaned from them is a minimum content layout of 700px. 23:19, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

On mass effect 1, my game had decided to pixelate the characters once i had just entered the garage in Peak 15 in Noveria. I can't really focus on anything, it's gone all black, and pixels. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ekolarasmagnum (talk · contr).

go to bioware/ea's customer support, not us. i've seen no prior reports on this. and looks like a hardware issue on your end. 23:19, January 30, 2014 (UTC)


Since I need informed consent. May I recreate my page on the list of hazard maps? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by N7 Slayer (talk · contr).

as i said quite plainly on your talkpage, sandbox an article first. making one on is strictly prohibited without community discussion and approval, and from what you're trying to make it is simply an unnecessary and redundant addition. this wiki doesn't go for that sort of thing, we have standards to maintain. 04:22, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Why did you revert my change. Its clearly that cerberus withdrew is alittle bit more clearer than cerberus withdraws in that sentences....--N7 Slayer 05:47, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Hey Temp, long time since I've visited this place. Just wanted to ask, where's all the old guard? I know Lancer left before I took a break, good riddance, but I don't see Legionwrex, Lily, or anyone else. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 16:02, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

commdor and lancer retired at the same time. spart and trandra lurk from time to time. the usual blog people are, i assume, busy on other fandoms/irl pursuits while the franchise awaits its next major installment. aside from monthly ME foundation writeups the wiki's basically on museum curation mode albeit with even fewer people giving a shit about curating.
and i also permablocked lilyhearts for all the accumulated instances of sockpuppetry. 19:26, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Hi temp,

I'm testing a new template but I'd like to add an automatic feature in it. On the line "rarity" I'd like to change the color of the text displayed on the right column accordingly to the rarity of the character (blue/siver/gold/black). I think it might work with a If syntax but I could use a hand on this. Thanks in advance.--DeldiRe (talk) 16:55, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Hi again, thanks for your edit, I learned a code today ;). I also saw that you was not for those changes but I will explain my reasons later. In two words, as a MP player, it's quite obvious that the MP character pages has to be updated especially to match the quality of this wiki (and it's already done on the great russian wiki). Do not hesitate to make suggestions but I will try to have Trandra's opinion who is also a MP player.--DeldiRe (talk) 09:00, February 6, 2014 (UTC)
what the russian wiki does or does not is irrelevant to what we do here. what works for them doesn't necessarily mean the same here, and vice versa. i assume you already notified them of your intent and plan to credit their work if it gets used. if not: if you're going to rip anything from somewhere else, be it code or pics, if you haven't the least idea what you're doing to the source then the least you can do is give proper attribution somewhere. other wikis use our assets all the time, but even i don't think that's an excuse for us to do the same.
and no, it is not "obvious" why boxes should be added. infoboxes for the sake of spamming infoboxes aren't a good design practice. i'll concede i see some positive benefits like instantly knowing availabilities and rarities but i'm not convinced they outweigh the aesthetic compromises.
in the end i'll likely order minor excisions before letting the project run its course. 09:54, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Yes they know that I intended to use part of their work even if I didn't know that it was necessary (because everybody takes what we do here :D, for example they copy pasted most of my contributions for MEG, MEI and N7HQ^^). Moreover, it's only on my sandbox to try out and I would prefer to make our proper layout because theirs is too complex and not that efficient. What they do on others ME wiki is not "word of god" but it can be a good source of inspiration.

When I said "obvious", I was speaking of the fact that we need to (IMO) clean our MP character article not that we HAVE TO put infoboxes. As you said spamming infoboxes is not always the best ideas, I'm just trying some layouts before to propose it. In this particular case, I begun with an infobox because it looks nice on russian wiki... At least nicer than what we have :)--DeldiRe (talk) 19:11, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Please read the talk page on the Husk webpage and give us your imput, I believe this needs to be addressed. superlogan7437 (talk) 02:52, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the mistake on the page edit, Temp. Thank you for removing them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Niniendowarrior (talk · contr).

no prob. 01:43, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Hey temp, thank you for reverting that. Shame that people want to vandalize my stuff. Really appreciate you looking after it. Niniendowarrior (talk) 22:19, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Temp,

I'm wondering if it's possible for you to rename the following two images: File:Femshep2.png and File:Shepard.png into "User_Uploaded_FemShep.png" and "User_Uploaded_Shepard.png"? I think it's a disservice to the wikia that these files are named after Shepard as if they are 'canon' when they are clearly not.

If a normal user can do this, I'm not sure where to look at since it seems I can either Edit/Replace only.

Thank you very much!

Regards. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Niniendowarrior (talk · contr).

request done.
on wikias (here at least), only admins and higher have file rename/delete privileges. 05:50, February 10, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Niniendowarrior (talk) 07:21, February 10, 2014 (UTC)

Is there a way to talk in private I would like to discuss you deleting my photo I uploaded. Since it followed the default Shepard and even had the default armor.

"Any image must be of the default male or female Shepard, and care should be taken to avoid showing as many distinguishing features as possible, like hair and facial features." The image complied with this to the best of my knowledge. --Oddball5 (talk) 08:35, February 10, 2014 (UTC)

there are numerous methods of erasing personal shepards entirely and my body of work is proof of that. do the requisite research on this.
also, you did not deign to use the picture anywhere within two days. unused pictures are zapped after two days minimum. 08:57, February 10, 2014 (UTC)

Please lend your voice to the Tali article. I am trying to follow this wiki's rules but two users are preventing me. Thank you. 03:53, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

strange days when random anons have more grasp of how things run here instead of people who've been around longer. issue has been dealt with, for now.
i'll be out for the rest of the day (and maybe tomorrow), so any further issues that need attention will have to wait. unless spart/trandra are on.
any disputes not against established standards, talkpage. or heads will roll. 04:52, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

Did you also leave that 'warning' for the person who keeps adding irrelevant links where they don't belong? Or were those your edits? Despite what Grunt says in-game, there is no information stating those were his specific references. Space cowboy could be about the song, wizard could be about Gandalf or Merlin. I'm not 'edit warring', I'm removing links that should either be under Trivia or not there at all. 08:59, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

I tried to upload a picture 4 times. Add a Photo ->Browse -> Upload Photo. I saw the uploading 3 bars, but the picture didn't appear on page of uploaded pictures. Is this some kind of malufantion?FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 08:14, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

uploads down, apparently since yesterday:

note that your next upload will be your ninth against the 10 images user limit. (talk) 08:47, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

That guy here has copied and pasted the first part of my latest blog both in his/her user page and his/her talk page. Not only that, but s/he created a spam blog post. You might want to look into that.--Nord Ronnoc (talk) 07:13, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

looked and had more than half a mind not to bother. it's the usual case of rambling internet illiterate that does crop up from time to time. you'll hear from them once then most likely never again. the edits are confined to userspace and are inherently harmless on their own, though all bets are off once the user starts spreading gibberish on articles (or manifests evidently malicious behavior).
if you're really bothered about your copypasted words and the "spam", go talk to the person about it. what the user does (or doesn't do) in response is usually a good enough gauge in sorting the person out. i'll only close down the blog if a) enough people actually request its closure or b) it accumulates objectively worthless responses. 08:33, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

I've got the same "Kepral's Syndrome" regarding Thane's apparition. Maybe we should replay ME3:C to understand it... --DeldiRe (talk) 08:04, February 28, 2014 (UTC)


Please consider unblocking the IP The Catalyst article had been in a vandalised state for almost an hour when this person edited it, and on closer inspection the changes seem to be more in line with attempting to fix it: Starbrats were changed back to Catalysts, biased claims were moderated, and a decorous trivia note was added. Not the way this was to be handled, of course, but I think this IP may not be a sockpuppet of the vandal at all, and ask that this block be reviewed. Thanks. Elseweyr [ talk | stalk ] March 2, 2014, 12:24:16 (UTC)

you're right, probably not a sock. to my determination, however, the other IP still pretty much fucked with the page. 2 weeks for him, a month for the other. (talk) 13:00, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Fal 3 is not a fan creation. It's coming from Mass Effect 1 unused data. I can prove it by providing the extracted data.

I can provide more data or stop here, as you prefer.
Molator (talk) 18:45, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

this is literally the first time i've heard about this claim. i have the game, i would rather see it for myself. be so kind and point out to me where in the files it's found as well as the tools you used to extract and parse the data. (talk) 02:38, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

First thing first, the english version of the texts are in:
Mass Effect\BioGame\CookedPC\Packages\Dialog\GlobalTlk.upk
The other languages are in:
Mass Effect\BioGame\CookedPC\Packages\Localised\XX\Dialog\GlobalTlk.upk
where XX is a language code.

You can unpack upk files using: Unreal Package Extractor
from here:
The direct link is:
The command is:
extract.exe GlobalTlk.upk

You will get a folder "GlobalTlk".

In that folder you will find a file "GlobalTlk_tlk.BioTlkFile".

You can unpack that file using: me_tlk_tool
from here:
It's a japanese website, so i give you the direct link:
The command is:
tlk_tool.exe -u GlobalTlk_tlk.BioTlkFile

You will get a resulting csv file "GlobalTlk_tlk.csv".

You can open it with notepad or excel (or else).
That file contains all the texts of the game: planets, codex, etc.
In that file, i found lots of interesting texts.

I know how to extract the audio dialogs too, if you're interested.
Molator (talk) 03:45, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

good for you. there's no need for them here; audio files are only used for 2 things: codex and cut content.
now, it seems this Fal 3 does exist but another name that crops up independently is "Fal 3 Manufactory". it can possibly go in slapped with the {{Cut Content}} disclaimer, but there's the problem of insufficient context. the information you posted is literally the only thing we know about it:

“Fal 3 is a privately-owned planet in salarian space. An entire world devoted to the industrial process, its primary revenue stream is generated by the construction and sale of private spacecraft. To supplement income, Fal 3 Manufactory has launched a line of prototype omni-tools, though they are expensive and extremely rare.”

so what were we supposed to know about this entity that we never saw ingame? globaltlk data points literally all over the place compared to ME2/ME3 extracted texts isn't helping. at best it could've been the half-formed remnant of a minor ingame object, at worst it could've been a lorem ipsum equivalent placeholder.

this can probably gain more context as part of a master article rather than on its own - compared to the Nathak which wrex gave at least passing mention or the others which have their own cut content articles.

if you have enough material to spin a Mass Effect Cut Content master article, feel free to use your own userspace to make up a draft first before putting it to community discussion and voting. cut content stays in cut content: they aren't canon and aren't supposed to go into the main articles. i'll be verifying inputs as long as i'm not busy IRL - which i usually am not nowadays.

lastly, you aren't allowed to modify my comments on my own talkpage. not even for formatting purposes. (talk) 06:09, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

On that note, I have been working on compiling cut content from the first game and would appreciate anything else you could find. TheUnknown285 (talk) 16:29, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Characters/Mass Effect 3 suffered repeated removal of information while you were offline, so I temporarily protected it. Elseweyr [ talk | stalk ] March 7, 2014, 22:50:11 (UTC)

good call, no problems with it. 03:04, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

I whould like to be a Chat mod(Awesomeking13 (talk) 16:43, March 8, 2014 (UTC))

Hello, this is Hananias!

Sorry, did I miss something? Why did you revert the changes I did to the "Citadel Docks: Retake the Normandy" page? Never played a female Shepard and dated Samantha Traynor before, eh?

--Hananias (talk) 17:36, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

because it's rather irrelevant in scope and already noted elsewhere. in traynor's bio. which i extensively wrote. (talk) 17:38, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

Are you okay with this change removing what seems like a nonsequitur sentence? You reverted all changes but in case you were mainly objecting to the change to the trigger paragraph I thought I'd ask if the first change was all right. Cattlesquat (talk) 02:54, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

Typically, we have three choices when voting (Yes, No, Neutral/Abstain). Right now, we have a vote going on with four choices. With more than two choices, there is a chance that no category would get a majority. There is, of course, also the chance of a tie (though that can happen with just two choices as well). I got to thinking: Do we have a policy in place for dealing with ties and/or the lack of a majority? If not, it would be a good idea for us to come up with something. TheUnknown285 (talk) 14:20, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

in case of a tie, admins can wade in and cast the deciding vote/s. practically speaking, me. spart and trandra, of course, also do get the final say.
in case of close fights, one choice leading by just one vote over all others is enough. (talk) 14:29, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

While totally aware that Reave can't be available on the first playthrough of that mission, I thought a mention still worth it for second-through-eight-hundredth playthrough folks, just on the don't-miss-this-cool-easter-eggish-thing-which-is-also-really-powerful basis. But will defer to your objection because it certainly isn't a key "strategic" choice for this mission, even if choosing it makes the mission both hilarious and a snap. Cattlesquat (talk) 14:37, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

fail. reave DOES explode barriers whether you're dosed on minagen or not. warp has the same effect, really. i actually put your claims to the test just now and found virtually identical barrier explosions. dosed reave, normal reave, dosed warp, normal warp.
PROBLEM? (talk) 16:53, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
No problems. Last message was intended as my dropping-the-matter note. I coulda sworn my Reave was doing better than my Warp, but I wasn't testing it as systematically as it sounds like you were and may be guilty of being confirmation-biased by the notes left here before me. It would be nice to have some quantifiable note on the exact effects of Minagen (other than making Shepard glow and damaging barriers/health in high doses), but that can await more extensive testing "if we ever get around to it". Cattlesquat (talk) 20:02, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

Technically it isn't so much leveling up that's the obstacle, since you will level up more than enough times on Feros to pick up the handful of points you could possibly need, it's the track unlocks for Charm/Intimidate that can only be achieved by increasing your Paragon/Renegade scores, which can only be done by progressing the other main missions. Renegade you only need to get to 25% full but to Charm you'd need Paragon all the way to 75%. That's why I emphasized the "first main world" and "allowed to accumulate" concepts over leveling up. Ultimately a player following your advice would do okay, so it's not a huge deal, but perhaps more clarity on the mechanism would be in order - up to you. Cattlesquat (talk) 17:22, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

outside the mission's scope. it's enough to alert the player to get the requisite points elsewhere. 17:37, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
Okay. The critical hint is certainly being conveyed. Cattlesquat (talk) 18:40, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

I have some stuff i want to add to the pages of Commander Shepard and Ashley Williams can i please edit them or how many edits do i have to do in order to edit them. User:Foolishblock965 13:59 March 19, 2014

High-traffic pages are sometimes locked so that unregistered and non-autoconfirmed users can't edit them, so you'll have to wait for a few more days. Elseweyr talkstalk March 19, 2014, 19:47:15 (UTC)
let me take some wild guesses here.
on the Commander Shepard page you wish to add:
  • that Shepard refuses to trust Cerberus or the Illusive Man.
on the Ashley Williams page you wish to say that:
  • Ashley Williams was even informed of reports indicating that Commander Shepard was alive and in an alliance with Cerberus
  • Ashley is not very fond of the idea of Shepard working with Cerberus
am i correct on both counts? (talk) 03:36, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Yes because Shepard doesn't work for Cerberus and doesn't trust either Cerberus or the Illusive Man? User:Foolishblock965 9:23 March 20, 2014

goddamn sockpuppet.
same editing MO, same garbage-level mass edits, same obsession with incorrect wording and irrelevant changes over the same pages. good riddance. (talk) 14:30, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Any chance I can interest you in an even greater shortening of the information about the Feros side-assignments in the main mission page? Now that the most useful info has already moved off the page, I think there are many pluses to just making that part of the main mission be essentially "Left to [X], Right to [Y], Forward to [Z]. See the individual assignment articles for details." Shortens the longest article, increases traffic to where the best information is, win/win... Happy to mock it up if you're unsure. Cattlesquat (talk) 17:35, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Why were my additions to Priority: Mars reverted? Tungstic (talk) 03:03, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

not applicable for ME3. those are only for ME2 missions. read the MOS. (talk) 03:04, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

Greetings Temporaryeditor78!

I just saw pictures of Mass Effect ship models opened in 3ds MAX that showed their sizes. So I was wondering if it were possible to you to open up the file of Harbinger and then upload it here because I really would like to know how large Harbinger is because it is said to be the largest Reaper of them all. So I would greatly appreciate if you could do this for me.

Sincerely yours, Tyzuris Coronati.

can't help you there, sorry. only ingame images are allowed for article use here. the rest fall under user images, we have a limit for that per user, and i don't want to waste mine. there's a bunch of guys over at deviantart who may be more amenable to your needs. (talk) 16:24, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

2014 Q2


An anon's comment on one of my blogs involved familiar suicide suggestions so I really didn't want it hanging around. It can't be reviewed anymore, but I'm reporting it in case you'd like to block the IP. Elseweyr talkstalk April 1, 2014, 09:04:18 (UTC)

we also have view/restore powers. anyway, hammered. (talk) 13:25, April 1, 2014 (UTC)


I was just browsing through, and it appears that user created and edited a page called "Mass Effect (film", and the only thing written on it was "8======3 LOL." I just wanted to inform you about this, as it's most likely vandalism. It's probably still in the "Recent changes" thing, if you'd like to take a look.

-- 02:50, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

dealt with. thank you for reporting. (talk) 07:50, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Glad to have helped. -- 09:48, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

I see now that you had warned me an hour prior, and I'm not sure how I didn't notice it. I didn't get any notifications referring to the warning. I am not sure how the logs work on wiki, I know everything is recorded, so I REALLY wasn't lying. And I believe you. I think you'll be able to see why I WOULD be upset had I been correct in what I thought. I realize now that I was wrong. And thank you for clarifying, I will make sure to be more careful with my edits.

Again, I was not trying to lie. I'm not that sort of person. If I do something that warrants a permanent ban then by all means I should be banned. I would like to apologize for this entire thing.

Ottakanawa (talk) 03:51, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

word of advice is if i were you i wouldn't cleanslate my talkpage every time something like this happens. page histories can always bring up what you're trying to hide if that was your intent, and it reinforces the assumption that you are trying to hide something if it wasn't.
plus you seem to be the forgetful type: you forgot there were previous warnings because you erased them. that doesn't make them any less valid.
that's just my opinion, do as you will with your talkpage and just keep in mind to consult with the guidelines or us for clarifications. 09:22, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

I was curious so I did a bit more research on that transmitter bug. It looks like actually the current article does not match the only thing that's x3 confirmed. Just highlighting it for you here since the RC might make it easy to miss. Cattlesquat (talk) 16:07, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

Hello, new user here. If there's any PM feature, I haven't found it yet, so I'll just leave this here.

I see now that you undid an edit I made in the mass-relay section under "Crucible." May I ask why? I'm certain that the existing information is incorrect -- relays are not shown rebuilt in the synthesis epilogue. --HYR 247 (talk) 17:09, April 19, 2014 (UTC) HYR 247.

there's no PM function on wikia. the closest to it is email, which is overkill for our purposes for the moment.
  1. incorrect. citadel -is- a relay and we do see it getting rebuilt. this should be a no-brainer considering all other scenes of rebuilding shown across the galaxy.
  2. utter speculation on "new" form of space travel. not allowed. (talk) 17:29, April 19, 2014 (UTC)
Butting in for a small FYI: the user-to-user email feature was disbled Wikia-wide some time ago. Elseweyr talkstalk April 19, 2014, 20:17:22 (UTC)
huh. there goes that option. i was able to use it -maybe- once and apparently no one else bothered with it much. requiescat in pace. (talk) 20:29, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

May I ask why you reverted my edit to Characters/Mass Effect 3? If Han'Gerrel is considered an ally, why not Jondum Bau? - {{SUBST:User:Nick O'Demus/sig}} 01:09, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

all those currently present at the characters page are significant plot-relevant characters. bau is an optional sidequest. gerrel has a major impact in the story while bau and all others not included do not. (talk) 05:12, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

I know you're probably preoccupied with F10 and other stuff but I wanted to ask what exactly you meant should be done to the old multiplayer class articles. As stated on the project page (unless I misunderstand), should they be turned into classical disambiguation pages even though strictly there's no ambiguity between the titles within a class? If this is the case, is the idea that the monolithic links to the general class pages would not have to be changed since eg. the ME3MP/.../Vanguard page would still contain all the multiplayer Vanguards in some form? Elseweyr talkstalk April 25, 2014, 14:25:43 (UTC)

the disambig category apparently sports a vanguard (disambiguation) and engineer (disambiguation) already. it seems i was mistaken in assuming otherwise.
i think we should altogether eliminate all mainspace linkbacks on Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer/Character Customization/Vanguard (and related pages). there's still a bunch of linked user pages/comments left after that, so for now we may have to turn them to #redirects.

creation of the following proper disambigs:

Infiltrator (disambiguation)
Soldier (disambiguation)
Adept (disambiguation)
Sentinel (disambiguation)

redirection of the following pages to the disambigs:

Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer/Character Customization/Vanguard
Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer/Character Customization/Adept
Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer/Character Customization/Soldier
Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer/Character Customization/Engineer
Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer/Character Customization/Infiltrator
Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer/Character Customization/Sentinel
Adept (multiplayer)
Engineer (multiplayer)
Infiltrator (multiplayer)
Sentinel (multiplayer)
Soldier (multiplayer)
Vanguard (multiplayer)
all other mainspace links to the above

14:52, April 25, 2014 (UTC)

Right, so with the Vanguard as an example, the existing "overview of Vanguard character classes in Mass Effect 3's multiplayer mode" needs to be removed from Vanguard_(disambiguation) and could probably be replaced with a note about and link to Category:Vanguards?
And mainspace links like "Firebase Dagger is a great map for [[Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer/Character Customization/Vanguard|Vanguards]]" probably shouldn't go via the disambig since it's known which Vanguards are being referred to (and the link could instead point directly to Category:Vanguards). Elseweyr talkstalk April 25, 2014, 15:46:34 (UTC)
i envisioned the class category pages as a sort of catch-all for both SP and MP classes: vanguard guides can fall under the categories, and so does the SP class page itself, and then the powers specific to them. the categories are the superset for everything class-related (vanguard SP/MP, the guides, their used powers), the disambigs for the specific classes (cabal vanguard, n7 slayer, vanguard SP, etc). 16:01, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
I see; I'll make the adjustments to the category pages. Similarly to the Vanguard and Engineer disambigs (which already have a lot of stuff) there might be items to add to the new class disambigs other than the new invididual class pages -- the corresponding SP classes, at least. Elseweyr talkstalk April 25, 2014, 20:11:38 (UTC)
Good work "guys". --DeldiRe (talk) 06:50, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

I checked what redirects exist for Power Combos and found that there are some lower-case options, as seen here. I created Power combos for easier linking in the future and only after noticed Biotic explosion has been deleted in the past. Thoughts on restoring it? Elseweyr talkstalk April 29, 2014, 01:10:43 (UTC)

redirects exist mainly to be used (the rest for legit alternate IDs and SEO). if you can justify the lowercase "Biotic explosion" (catch-all for exploding biotics as opposed to the "formal" two-word term for the game mechanic), you can restore it. 04:12, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Temp,

I will start a cleanup of all the players notes related to MP, stop me if I'm wrong, but I think that I have enough experience on MP to do this job. My only fear is to do some mistakes in Dnglish. Feel free to correct them even if I think that Trandra and Elseweyr will help on this matter. --DeldiRe (talk) 10:06, April 29, 2014 (UTC)


Here it is. --Nord Ronnoc (talk) 02:44, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

whacked. 04:09, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, any further adjustments relating to the recently created character pages is beyond the scope of the project. Thank you for helping implement the changes!

Also, the featured articles never disappoint :D Elseweyr talkstalk May 1, 2014, 17:36:08 (UTC)

no prob.
with FAs, i figured why not go nuts with the choices since i only update once (or twice) a month. fun fact: anyone can actually submit FA nominations (we do have an informal system on selection criteria set down by admins before me). (talk) 07:43, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
Sweet! I hadn't noticed the talk page was used for that. Elseweyr talkstalk May 4, 2014, 17:38:38 (UTC)

Whatever your reasons for the revert may be, it's common courtesy to leave an undo reason in the summary. --Jimeee (talk) 14:33, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

actually, no. spoilers above spoiler tag. read policies. (talk) 14:35, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
Genius reply. It's no wonder the Recent Changes is absolutely dead these days with such ham-fisted, unwelcoming administration. Pro tip: You're an admin, use proper punctuation and capitalize the first letter of your sentences if you wish to be taken seriously. --Jimeee (talk) 14:40, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
PROTIP: it's not "pro tip". i can write in whatever damn style i want when not fucking around in articles.
take your own advice on proper term usage or even spelling before lecturing me on my responsibilities. i have no further desire to entertain persistently clueless people when all the usual primers on wiki decorum are already laid out on the automated welcome messages. (talk) 14:49, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Hey there Chewbaboy!

My name’s Mike and I’m with Wikia’s gaming ComDev team. Just wanted to say hi and ask you a quick question about E3. As you might know, E3 is one of the biggest game conventions of the year, and it’s right around the corner. We may have the opportunity ahead of the show to interview some folks from EA/Bioware, and would love to ask them any questions about any potential upcoming Mass Effect games that you or the other admins may have.

Here’s an example of a community interview we’ve done before:

We really like letting Wikia communities ask the questions, because they’re very knowledgeable about their game of choice, and ask extremely in-depth questions that regular news outlets don’t.

If this sounds like something you’d be interested in doing, feel free to submit any questions you have here, or directly to me at Hope to hear back from you soon, and thanks again for all your edits & contributions to Mass Effect Wiki!

Michael @fandom (profile)•(talk)•(email) 00:04, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

How I wish your name had been listed as "Korgoth of Barbaria" when he posted this message. The "Swedish Beef" one is a close second.
Back to the topic at hand: I have nothing pertinent to ask Bioware. Trandra (talk) 14:51, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

nearly edit conflicted. oops. (@trandra: t'was a linguistic in-joke.. but yeah, "bad" timing) anyway, where was i.
looks interesting. thank you for the headsup. emailed sparthawg and trandra about it.
personally i'm drawing a blank as my focus has for the longest time been consolidating what the wiki currently has. presently bioware has barely hinted anything about the next game, and they're sure to reveal basic teasers by E3, so i wouldn't know what to ask besides the obvious (and revealed anyway): game title, setting (where in the timeline or is it a "reboot"), if any familiar characters drop by, yep.
is the questions submission open to the public, or is it community admins only? i'd set up an open forum for interested lurkers and spread the word out if yes.
there's a minor snag, however. our current video policy prohibits uploading for pretty much everything. we can link or embed, though, and blog about it, so if i can assume the interview may be hosted at wikia's dedicated subdomain for video instead of here, it's not really a prob. (talk) 14:59, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, sorry about the delayed response.

No worries if you're not interested, I'm right on board with you in that they'll almost certainly be trickling everything major out according to their PR schedule and saying no comment otherwise. The only thing I feel you guys could capitalize on would be very specific questions relating to ME lore such as locations, races, characters etc., they tend to be a little less guarded on that front. Of course this is all conjecture based on assumptions of what we guess they'll be showing at E3, if they don't announce anything ME related at all I'm sure they won't be fielding any questions about it.

That said, it's probably too much effort trying to cull good responses from a total community wide outreach effort, so we can probably pass on that. You're welcome to ask any individuals you feel would be a good fit though.

Finally, as far as the video upload goes, that's fine, it would likely just be embedded in a blog post and hosted elsewhere.

Thanks for the responses!

Michael @fandom (profile)•(talk)•(email) 21:56, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

Temp, I'm filing a complaint about one of the users here, FirstDrellSpectre. He admitted he wanted to get a reaction out of me. Here's the proof on that:

"It's not easy to write correctly with some broken buttons on the keyborad Mistakes happen Your silence doesn't make me leave It only increases my desire to see your reaction"

Not only that, but he has made similar actions before. Berating others for disagreeing with him, encouraged people to commit suicide, and spammed the chat pages with his rants. Thankfully, he was blocked there for a month. Feel free to ask the others of his behavior. If you can, I would encourage you to block him here because of that behavior. --Nord Ronnoc (talk) 21:41, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

Nord on other hand said "I wouldn't care less about what you say" and "I don't care, keep spamming". "It's not easy to write correctly with some broken buttons on the keyborad. Mistakes happen." was my respond on Nord's "Your grammar sucks, big time." and about silence Nord was on the chat and when I wanted to speak, but he didn't respond. I only wanted to him to speak to him, but he was ignoring me. I saw it as he did not respond for 10 mintues on purpose. Is there any recording of chats? If not then, we have words against words. What I do on other wikia has nothing to do, what I do on ME wikia. For now I did nothing wrong on ME wikia, problems on one wikia don't mean problems on another. Am I supposed to be blocked for what I can do and what I did on other wikia?FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 22:25, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

i see.
firstdrellspectre is right that offences in other wikis are irrelevant here, but if the underlying cause is the same, then there's bound to be shared prohibitions against committing the same offences here.
this is a minor case of disruptive behavior.
for now, i'm only issuing a warning. what i'll do next should go without saying if this escalates further. (talk) 06:33, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
I was offline at the time of this incident, but Nord Ronnoc is currently sitting at a handful of warnings for insulting others in chat and has expressed exasperation over "boring" topics like Mass Effect, instead introducing politics or other unrelated topics mid-discussion. FirstDrellSpectre has 0 warnings and is one of the few who use chat to discuss Mass Effect or the wiki exclusively. Not suggesting any additional measures are required at the moment, but as an active mod I thought I'd offer my two cents. Elseweyr talkstalk May 10, 2014, 14:37:23 (UTC)
#9 & #7 in grounds for blocking applicable if nobody really wanted to talk about what nord is pushing at the time and per rules on offtopic discussions.
please make a notation at his talkpage if said events happen again. thanks. last warning, if indeed told to shape up numerous times. you know the drill if behavior persists after last warnings.
as to the case at hand, it doesn't really change anything since there's the stated intent not to be bothered and the stated intent to ignore the former. (talk) 15:18, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, the warnings (no airlocking) were issued with spacings of a week or two and in the last I indeed promised a ban outright at the next offence. Was able to resolve the situations in chat so I didn't deem talk page notices necessary at the time. I mainly reacted to the invitation to "ask the others" about FDS's behavior, but as you said will take appropriate action if need be. Elseweyr talkstalk May 10, 2014, 17:06:52 (UTC)

I almost forgot, but it just occurred to me that Drell also called me by my real name, which violated the fourth policy. Sorry for the bad timing, but I thought I should let you know. --Nord Ronnoc (talk) 20:04, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

which you freely gave out on your own userspace.
this is now borderline harassment. engage in more transparent attempts at having the other party banned and i will block you instead. 04:13, May 11, 2014 (UTC)


Paragon Lost plays out after ME2

"Mass Effect: Paragon Lost, prequel to the best-selling Mass Effect 3"

I made a post on the talk page of the system alliance page —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk · contr).

read the section about paragon lost again.
  • in 2183
  • Two years later,
the 2185 section of the film is more or less concurrent to shepard raiding the collector base as in ME3 vega references his data being redundant with what shepard already discovered.
additionally, the first few minutes of the story happens in 2183.
the section stays where it is. (talk) 14:28, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Incorrect you are sooo wrong as I have replied in the System alliance article

Which pArt of this here dont you get




1) Most of Paragon Lost happened at the same time Shepard and the Normandy's crew were hunting the Collectors. Hence why the Systems Alliance didn't had the countermeasure against the seeker swarms.
2) They didn't knew who was attacking the terminus colonies, that was the reason Kaidan/Ashley were sent to Horizon.
3) advertising + the fact James Vega, the main character from Paragon Lost is in ME3.
ps: stop using Caps Lock, that is considered shouting.--MasterDassJennir (talk) 18:49, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

I take it you've decided you don't like forward links to #Enemies in prep sections (surprised you waited until they'd been added in 95-ish places, but whatevs). I found it vaguely useful as a quick/reliable/harmless way to jump down to the enemies list while selecting squadmates, but if you're against them for some reason I guess I'll stop adding them. Cattlesquat (talk) 13:11, May 19, 2014 (UTC)

considering that the TOC is literally within sight of any prep section such links count as redundant.
and considering the numerous other things that require my more immediate attention, don't be surprised at a backlog clearing operation. i'm not yet done (and probably never will be if this keeps up). (talk) 17:57, May 19, 2014 (UTC)

I restyled it because the Temporaryeditor78/2014 parameter, from what I've seen with most infobox templates around here, is never above the {{{image}}} parameter. The old (well "current", now) style was too big or too "loud", if you will, in my opinion, as well, compared to other infobox templates.

Sorry for not discussing this topic. I just felt that a few tweaks as minimal as the ones I made wouldn't warrant a discussion. Vahzen (talk) 04:01, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

you're modifying a template that went through months of peer review before finalization in its current state. discussion is at the very least required (standard MO, really) because we (i) argued (dictated) almost every aspect before we settled on a form amenable to everyone.
now, your choice of putting the pagename variable above or below the image is purely academic. we didn't have problems with it when first conceived (personally, i find it adds a little variation, and provides a balancing element between pic and infobox text - more evident in human classes).
your centering of class/race/rarity headers are, however, highly unnecessary and unsightly. they bloated the template rather than streamlined it.
hiding all variables below pagename also doesn't serve any purpose at all other than to obfuscate the template page itself. all variables have default fallbacks and wouldn't benefit from being hidden.
the latter two aren't up for debate as they're objectively detrimental design choices. pagename placement, however, is. though practically speaking, i wouldn't think any of us who were around to give inputs then would care to have it changed, and all edits considered i'm personally more inclined to file it under unnecessary change. (talk) 04:31, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
I personally find variation to be irrelevant, let alone very ugly, in that template's case. I also think that the template looks better with my redesign. However, these are just my biased opinions, and I now understand that it's customary to discuss these type of things, on this wiki, before action is taken, so I won't continue to edit templates without an official community consensus being made. Vahzen (talk) 04:50, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Hi, just to say, I don't appreciate your "surprisingly legit" comment in the redo, while I don't have a problem at all with rewording it, as you've put it far better, but please, it was already reversed once rather arrogantly without a reason given with said person admitting his mistake afterwards, then saying things like "surprisingly legit" isn't exactly nice considering I spent time correcting details on the wiki rather than leaving it incorrect. 15:17, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

come back and bitch to me again once you've experienced sifting bullshit edits from legitimate ones while in the middle of some scheme to bring other articles up to snuff while of course attending to other offsite stuff. every day. all by yourself.
if you manage to do so, apology accepted. (talk) 16:40, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
You may be missing the point that Wikias are supposed to be a crowdsourced group effort, not one guy self-appointed as the judge of all competence or whatever. If adminning isn't fun for you in the amounts you're doing it, just do less of it and much to your surprise others will step up. Always happens. If you're doing it so much that you get angry, that's almost certainly rubbing off on the wikiculture and getting you less help instead of more, less audience instead of more. (Mass Effect metaphor: Prothy didn't think salarians and turians much better than snacks/nuisances either) Have fun... 17:10, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, agree completely with your point, to temp78, how dare you accuse me of ********. I helped by correcting a mistake in a page, already had one reversal which the guy was nice enough to apologise for and reverse back, and I have no problem at all with an admin verifying the info as I think that's a good idea, however, all you needed to say was "tested, legit" instead of "surprisingly legit", that is rather rude considering I helped with a wiki page and when it's verified that my edit is correct, it's called "surprising". If you're more used to incorrect edits then that's nothing to do with the legit ones, so please don't take all your annoyance with stupid edits out on the people who actually do helpful ones. That only gives the attitude to anyone who wants to help with the wiki that their edits will be treated as spam until verified, guilty until proven innocent, as that is effectively what you were saying, which I think very unfair, so I was well withing my rights to voice a reasonable complaint. 17:35, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, and P.S. I also love how you use your status to get around the filters to be able to post certain words that the wiki considers as "slur words" that aren't meant to be posted, I'm filing a complaint on you to another admin.

and who the hell are you people again? no one. right.
the franchise is on a very long stretch without anything to attract people to it, much less editors to this wiki. unless audience interest peaks again (and probably even then), crowdsourcing point invalid. why?
are you around to witness the general level of editor competence over a prolonged period of time?
are you around to witness what kinds of edits make it past quality checking even with admins around?
are you aware how many editors have come and gone that can be fully entrusted to run the site?
the answer, of course, is no.
i can work well with people who actually know what they're doing. thing is, there's ridiculously few of them, and it's understandable why. you two evidently aren't part of them.
my response to fuckers like you has always been the same.
before you can bitch and whine about the way i run things here, prove that you can actually step up to the task of regularly maintaining the site. prove it. you have zero complaining rights otherwise.

this wiki has slur filters for IP contributors only. only dedicated vandals waste time making accounts that'll be shortly blocked anyway. yet another indication of you having absolutely no idea how things work here. (talk) 17:49, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what to say to people like you, you clearly have no idea how to behave professionally to genuine contributors who file a perfectly reasonable complaint, good thing you're not in charge of anything. I've complained about you to another admin, if that goes nowhere I'll be contacting the wiki staff. If this is how contributors to the wiki are being treated it's no wonder very few people are actually willing to work with you. Whether there are a lot of people to edit the wiki or not, that doesn't give you free reign to take charge and treat people however you want, you're no better than anyone else. I don't need to witness the level of competence over time, I was treated badly by someone in, although not a paid, a position of authority, I made a complaint, that's how it works. Quality checking is a moot point, you still have no need to be rude about peoples edits, even if you are surprised they're valid. And the number of editors that have come and gone and can be entrusted to run the sight again has nothing to do with this, this is how you used your position of authority to be rude, and I find it very rich that you're saying about how few editors can be entrusted to run the site, if this is how you treat contributors, clearly you aren't one of them.

Clearly unlike you, when contributing with a fair edit, I do know what I'm doing, you have no cause to be rude about it, and your perception of there being very few people like that is more than likely due to your foul attitude. Now once again, i was not whining, I was voicing a reasonable complaint about rudeness from an admin, and anyone who's treated rudely by someone in authority has genuine complaining rights, if businesses thought otherwise they'd lose all their customers, so it's no wonder you're losing people willing to help.

Also, please don't sweare at me or that too will be complained about to the wikia staff. Good day. 18:02, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

Interpreting "surprisingly legit" as an insult is a bit of a stretch to begin with, so perhaps we ought to calm down a bit. Cussing and rude behaviour doesn't violate Wikia's terms of use, which is the only case in which Staff will intervene. Otherwise wikias are allowed to run themselves and enforce their own policies. Elseweyr talkstalk May 27, 2014, 18:36:26 (UTC)
I didn't say it was an insult, only not very nice, the attitude of legit edits being treated as spam until verified otherwise. And I agree that we need to calm down, I would just like to point out that "surprisingly legit" aside, I wasn't the one who responded to a complaint with utter rudeness 20:50, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

Temp, is it really necessary for you to act like that? --Nord Ronnoc (talk) 22:14, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

let me put it this way.
i find it extremely rude that some schmucks come off as "insulted" (labeling it as "not very nice" and pretending not to be insulted? pleease.) over what is supposed to be standard research to determine validity procedure. which, as elseweyr pointed out, is not even worth giving a damn in the first place. YOU started this. to paraphrase some throwaway character in a novel somewhere, you've woken the dragon.
i am now considering this a pointless case of dramamongering over a long-resolved issue. nord and you IP guy show yourselves out of my talkpage regarding this topic. this is the only warning. (talk) 05:59, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Why have you reverted my change to the Cerberus page? The correct term is 'serial killer', not 'cereal killer'. The latter makes no sense. Or is it supposed to be a joke...?--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 10:46, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

read Mass Effect: Deception. kai leng raiding anderson's cupboard and eating his cereal for some amusingly twisted reason. (talk) 10:59, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
Ah I see, thanks for clearing that up.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 11:13, May 28, 2014 (UTC)


Hi Temp,

I can't figure out how to delete this user image. I'm hoping you can help out.

Thanks! Niniendowarrior (talk) 12:36, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

baleeted. (talk) 13:01, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Would it be okay if I attempted an improved "in universe" version of the medi-gel article, given your stated preference? Just checking to avoid the appearance of an edit war, and/or in case I misunderstood the meaning of the cleanup tag. PlasmaVentingInProgress (talk) 14:32, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

it's not "my" preference. it's site policy. in-universe where possible. the gameplay aspects of medi-gel can be transplanted/covered in the appropriate gameplay sections of the wiki (Combat, Combat (Mass Effect 2), etc). the medi-gel page is where its properties and lore developments concerning the stuff are supposed to be placed.
it's tricky and time-consuming, else i would've done it myself ages ago. having source reading material close at hand highly advised. i'd suggest drafting something up first on your own userspace before proceeding with anything. off the top of my head:
  • some sort of medi-gel for hanar being developed by cerberus during ME3
  • alliance soldiers erroneously believing it doesn't work on batarians
  • medi-gel supposedly designed to match skin pigmentation (maya brooks complains otherwise)
    • observed effects of medi-gel overdose, again with brooks (who convincingly fakes it if not really the case)
  • medi-gel able to be boosted with anti-fatigue blood oxygenators (according to fan mail)
  • medi-gel limitations (huerta amputee dialogue) (talk) 19:59, June 2, 2014 (UTC)
Okay thanks - that helps get me going in the right direction. I'll do something in my user area first and you can see if you think it's up to snuff. I just found my way there through one of the "here's what you can contribute on the wiki" links in the "required reading". But hey, I like medi-gel as much as the next guy! PlasmaVentingInProgress (talk) 21:35, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

While browsing the cleanup cat, I saw a page in the userspace (a sandbox) that uses the cleanup template and the ME3 Guides template, resulting in the userspace page showing up in the Guides and Articles needing cleanup cat. Can you removed the cats/templates from that user's sandbox, since they are limited to the mainspace? The filter said I was making a harmful revision when I tried to do so. klad 06:44, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

we do have policies against tampering with other people's userspaces. i've opted to enact an alternative scheme instead. affected template autocategories now show up on mainspace pages only regardless of usage. (talk) 08:15, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Collector General and Udina are in adversaries on character pages, but only the former has an advesary catgeory, despite we don't fight any of them like for example geth trooper. I just added category adversary ME3 to Udina playing on rule the General is not fought, but has adversary category. Some time ago I did it, but GodzillaMaster undid it. I'd like you to explain me if that's correct.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 17:48, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

the rule of thumb for noncombat adversaries is that they have to be behind major events detrimental to shepard. despite udina being borderline due to unclear motivations, i'm allowing your edit to stand for now because of the ingame events we see. (talk) 20:14, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

What's the rule on multiple same page links in articles? It seems commonplace to only link a page once, but the Collector article is full of multiple same page links. I decided to ask you before going on ahead and removing them myself and having my edit undone. klad 02:09, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

no redundant links, generally speaking. unless linked item is important enough within current text context.
if the same thing is linked twice within viewing distance of one another (let's go by the minimum 700px width; having the maximum as a criterion isn't really fair), the latter should *probably* be removed. as the article is dependent on synthesized content from spoiler-indicated sources it's practically case-by-case. (talk) 12:01, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Planet Scanning readers could benefit from having the systems sorted so they could just go through the high yield planets listed system by system, without having to look up each planet and/or creating a table themselves. This saves time and fuel from having to double back, especially if one is planning on getting the resources complete right out of the gate for a new character. After I created a table for personal use to reference the high yield planets geographically I thought this table would be useful for others. Do new tables require a discussion first? --Bearcolombia (talk) 10:38, June 18, 2014 (UTC)bearcolombia

it's a new way of showing already-present information. discussion on project forum or article talkpage required at the very least. 7-day community voting only after enough time has passed for meaningful adjustments and inputs.
that's how it is. slow as fuck but at least sure. (talk) 10:53, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

I'd block for harassment, but your call as usual. Elseweyr talkstalk June 19, 2014, 03:13:20 (UTC)

i'm letting the first one slide. second time around will denote clear intent and will be dealt with accordingly. thanks for catching it. (talk) 05:43, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Explain to me why did you remove my Irikah picture, it is the legit on from the comic.

Explain to me why did you remove my Irikah picture, it is the legit on from the comic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tesla Effect‎ (talk · contr).

read my edit summary on the page history.
filetype conventions, small as fuck, and the comic isn't even out yet. wait.
  • filetype conventions: lossless formats only.
  • small as fuck: obviously. it's taken from a preview.
  • the comic isn't even out yet: and there may be better representations when the full thing is out. even if i'm not really hopeful with the artstyle.

look. i got until foundation 13 covered. things like these will only get in the organizational scheme i laid out so please bear with it. (talk) 11:44, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Re "how hard is it to follow procedure after being shown how to do it multiple times?", I hadn't looked at the Wiki Activity and seen your corrections to my edits. I apologise for causing extra work. -Sophia (talk) 15:26, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

just please be mindful in the future. chances are i'm in the middle of something important even while checking. case in point is how long it took for this reply to be composed and posted.
source errors, label with sic. transcription errors, replacement with verbatim then add/preserve page linkages. easiest way to check is have extracted text data at hand. questions, clarifications, they can always be asked. (talk) 17:13, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

2014 Q3


I would like to ask about the removal of changes I made to the sports section of the Entertainment page. I had added three sports mentioned in a passing conversation in the hotel in Noveria so my source was in the game itself. I would like to know the reason you removed them about a minute after I posted them up and will accept it if it is reasonable.

Thank you for your time,

Richard Wallberg 16:48, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

You hear about the resort they've got here? At the equator? Bouncebacking, diving, an accredited asajura field...
are you even sure they're sports? they're zero-context examples, just namedrops as far as i can tell, and none of my keyword searches on extracted game data offer anything. you even got one item wrong. (talk) 17:14, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
They're still examples to be added, mainly with these mentions. --Nord Ronnoc (talk) 22:56, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

You... uploaded an avatar. Elseweyr talkstalk 17:26:44, 2014-07-13 (UTC)

a moment's fancy after one too many drinks of "soda". always wondered why there's relatively few search hits (pics and otherwise) regarding the wtf premise behind it. as with all things, current arrangement might as well be... temporary (zzzzing) :p 17:39, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

An edit!! Good to see you back on the starting block for the last MEF release! --DeldiRe (talk) 10:09, July 22, 2014 (UTC)


Communities are in charge of their wikias, so communities get to decide whether an admin should stay or go. It is not out of bounds for users to call out open votes and discussions when they feel that an Admin is out of line. I have restored this page:, and will be helping to make sure that any future discussion is not unduly silenced. Please, make your voice heard but allow the community to do the same. Do not make retaliatory blocks or remove pages discussing your removal, as this is amounts to an abuse of power. If this kind of behavior persists, Wikia staff will remove your rights for the duration of the discussion. --semanticdrifter @fandom (help forum | blog) 19:24, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Further to the above comment I believe the actions taken by wikia staff would also mean that you would be required to unblock Nord Ronnoc for the duration of such a vote, as to do otherwise would be "unduly silencing the community". If this is not done with 24 hours I shall contact wikia staff myself to ensure that Nord is unblocked so that he can present his side adequately against you. Also any action taken against me for this post will lead to an immediate call on wikia staff, and will affect my vote on the policy forum. Garhdo (talk) 22:58, July 13, 2014 (UTC)
User:Oldag07 should probably be temporarily unblocked too, given the timing and reasons behind said block.--Hawki (talk) 00:16, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
Not really: the user in question was (warned about and) blocked for edit warring unrelated to this case. I'd argue that 6 months is excessive, but the length of the block should be up to local administration as the offense itself was local (wiki-specific policies violated). Elseweyr talkstalk 14:10:53, 2014-07-14 (UTC)

I'm sorry before I made this edit I forgot to log, I already apologised Mike for this. Please don't consider it as sockpuppeting.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 16:32, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

no worries, it isn't. (talk) 13:05, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Temp,

As we now have terrible videos on the right side of our wiki (I know that it's not your fault), do you think we could reconsider proper pages for some of them as I proposed here some times ago? I don't like to push a project too much but I like this one and there is several reasons for a relaunch:

  • Those terrible video on the right;
  • The current active admins (you and Trandra) weren't really against it;
  • The admins who were against are now inactive;
  • The vote was quite tight 4-5;
  • There is similar pages on several wikis (even if you should have our own rules);

It's also true that the point raised by Commdor at that time and by Elsie now is still present. Trailers aren't "canon" or lore content, they are advertisement. I do agree with the point but I do still believe that they are part of the universe as a whole, especially for fans (lots of them are making fan videos with those). On this point we also have a precedent with the Soundtracks page. That's why I think they could be categorized on a single and little page as it won't hurt the wiki at all, on the contrary.

Do you think we could reopen the discussion (not a vote) or do you feel it's REALLY a bad idea. If it's the case I will "definitely" leave it. --DeldiRe (talk) 15:01, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

personally i'm not really sold on wikia's must watch videos list but, as they still operate the server farms the wiki is on, they want to attract pageviews through whatever means they deem necessary. in this case, algorithm-filtered vids from affiliates. i think i can have something to hide them if the community wishes it, but only then. if you want to hide them on your end only, ask elseweyr for a faster response (or look at her custom css).
as for the trailers, i see no pressing need to reopen discussion. the primary arguments against it are valid then and are no less valid now. my main concern back then was making the project look presentable, not its merits, but commdor et al's arguments have since swayed me. soundtracks are merch often packaged with the games, most of the tracks there feature as the games' ambient music, and thus the need to document them is valid.
our focus is in-universe material and concepts at most one level of separation from those items. ads are already far removed, and as already discussed, contribute nothing to ingame experience. 15:42, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
I'm well aware of the reasons for the must watch list and I wasn't asking to hide them even if they don't look very nice, it wasn't the main reason for my post ;).
The arguments raised several months ago had swayed me too as they are quite valid. However, I'm also in favor (as you know) as a really complete wiki and this I'm pretty sure that this single page won't hurt what we are trying to achieve together. I won't continue this discussion here and will try, if I have the time, to find a more suitable way to present the project. If I can get something nice, maybe I will bring it back. But after my vacation, as you said, there is no urge for the discussion.
And, btw, thanks for your complete opinion on this.
NB: I'm on my way to read MEF 13, I hope it's not as bad as you say ;). --DeldiRe (talk) 21:30, July 28, 2014 (UTC)


If we want to go all-out, one option could be to have the chatroom RP as the Normandy and customize the buttons to enter accordingly. If so, MediaWiki:Chat-welcome-message could also reflect this:

Welcome aboard the Normandy. By using the Chat feature, you agree that you have read and understood our [[Mass Effect Wiki: Chat Policies|Chat Policies]] and are bound by the rules within.

Other suggestions in this vein:

Since only admins can give users temporary chatmod status if the chat is otherwise left unmoderated, this currently doesn't happen here often, but...

Elseweyr talkstalk 16:28:55, 2014-08-03 (UTC)


"equalizing interior pressure with exterior atmosphere."
"stand by, shore party. decontamination in progress."

welcome msg: Welcome aboard the Normandy. By mingling with other people here, you agree that you have read and understood our standing policies and are bound by the rules within.

ban: -something conceivably more "severe" than sudden spacing; grounding doesn't seem to have gravitas to it-

away message: -mandatory calibrations joke (*shrugs* first thing that came to mind)-

pretty slick inputs, for the most part. i don't have a problem with the RP route if that's how you play it, though i'd think the block msgs do need a bit more brainstorming. it's filed up there on my head along with some other edits i've been planning to do for the foreseeable future. changes slated for next week once everything's in order. (talk) 21:33, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I hope you don't mind me jumping into this conversation. I just wanted to suggest "dishonourably discharged" for banning. I love the thought of these ideas being incorporated into the chat room. They definitely make me want to be part of it. :) -Sophia (talk) 22:04, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
now why didn't i think of it myself. good suggestion. i'm still taking suggestions as of this writing. (talk) 19:33, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
I wasn't sure where to go from airlocking (since technically that's a fairly permanent solution) so I initially went for something more toned-down, given the "seriousness" of being banned. All new suggestions seem good to me, though! Might try to come up with something more diverting for Private Messages and Private chat with $1 before the week is out.
The chat window could of course also be styled in accordance with the theme. My CSS rules currently makes the chatroom appear like this -- just an option if we'd like our "Normandy" a bit fancier-looking. Elseweyr talkstalk 23:33:42, 2014-08-06 (UTC)

Hi Temp, just saw your unedit, sorry for reediting it. I'm currently looking for a new heading. I would be glad if you don't unedit again, it would be easier for me to correct it. ty --DeldiRe (talk) 12:06, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Hit Temp, I chose a neutral title, what would you suggest? Something like a sentence?--DeldiRe (talk) 11:46, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

While I'm trying to organize CDN stories (which is harder than expected), I have two questions for you:

  1. May I split the story of Garvug in two different part (the "war" and the "end" of the war) as it is the longest CDN story which isn't split as Taetrus storyline is? It would be easier for the reading, especially if we have a table of content (what I'm trying to achieve).
  2. Do you think that the aggregation of several lone reports into one story is permitted (such as: sport reports, celebrities reports,...) ?

Thanks for your opinion. --DeldiRe (talk) 08:28, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Temporaryeditor! I'm Mark, from Wikia's Community Development Team.

I'm reaching out to see if your community would like to be a part of a versus tournament we're hosting on the Shadow of Mordor wikia. It would go live in September, and we would be pitting Urdnot Wrex against The Hammer from Shadow of Mordor. The voting would live in a blog on Shadow of Mordor and we would post a button on Wrex's page here encouraging your community to vote for them. On the voting blog we would link back to your wikia, and we'll be promoting the tournament around Wikia. If your community would like to be a part of the tournament, which would include the button on Wrex's page as well as a link back to your community from the voting blog, please let me know by 8/29.

Thank you! Mark@fandom (talk) 22:25, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

looks like harmless fun/temporary cross-promotion, personally i don't see why not. i'm giving it a go-ahead if no one else from the wiki objects. (talk) 07:47, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
Awesome, thank you for your quick reply! I'll go ahead with the contest and let you know when it goes live unless anyone on the community objects before then. Thanks! Mark@fandom (talk) 15:36, August 28, 2014 (UTC)


The Abishek Pakti user guy is still going at it on the SSV Normandy SR-1 page, and if the recent history thing is correct, I think they went and recreated that page you or someone else deleted earlier. I just thought you wanted to know. -- 03:32, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

IP has been permablocked for pointless attempts at "vandalism". (talk) 08:44, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Good to hear, that guy was kind of annoying. Well, actually, really annoying. Where's Zaeed with an Inferno Grenade when you need him? Thanks!-- 08:49, August 30, 2014 (UTC)


After some investigation it would appear there are two models of volus (see this album). One is a proper model with unique posture and movement while the other apparently sports the standard NPC posture and movement animations of other races. The latter would be the one which clips hilariously with itself and unfortunately was given to Rupe Elkoss. Close inspection reveals that a proper volus extends its head more and keeps its arms further away from its torso so its chin and arms don't clip into its body, for example.

I tried to pick a forgiving angle for my shot of Rupe Elkoss and Sara, but admittedly the clipping is still plainly visible. What are your thoughts on a shot from behind? Rupe's model is what it is and I guess nothing can be done about that, but the clipping isn't quite as bad on the backside... Elseweyr talkstalk 13:11:37, 2014-09-02 (UTC)

style over substance! "cheat" the situation a little. models load their movesets and stuff only when they're in your line of sight and near enough. load the commons map, pause the game immediately, then flycam over to rupe and sara. they should be at their startstate arms outstretched + blank expressions (and hey, rupe finally looks like a volus). catch with that is, rupe's feet are buried below the floor.
going by backshot, one pose i can see that almost hides elkoss' issues is one where his right hand moves to wipe his face (like a human would to wipe sweat from his brow). another is having his back head/uppertorso upwards on view while waiting for sara to turn her head to its rightmost so at least there's a face available for the camera. plus liberal FOV manipulation to spoof distances between them for focus. mix and match as needed.
i'm seeing interesting but viable angles to work with on my end, all of them purely borne of compromise and are by no means optimal. part of the challenge is determining the best of the lot. short of modding the model, camera/console tricks are the next best thing.
on a completely unrelated note, wtf is dis.png (talk) 15:22, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
nb: there is only one true volus model: The yellow volus ;) --DeldiRe (talk) 15:37, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I'd like to ask you something - you banned me for stating that Richard L. Jenkins is an easter egg about Leeroy Jenkins. Why so? Shouldn't you give a warning, or something before banning like that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pazur13 (talk · contr).

not really. it's the editor's responsibility to read up on what's what. in this case, yours. repeated failure to read the very prominent warnings plastered on the article's inline comments and article history, the explicit developer denial in the talkpage, AND the numerous instances of people in the past who could not be bothered to read constitutes the autohammering measure in place on the jenkins page. (talk) 18:47, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Temp, as you were working on (nice work, btw) planets, you provided HD (4-6 days ago) pictures for some of them. IF needed in the future, could you also provide such images for the ME1 locations such as Luna? It could be useful for the map project. --DeldiRe (talk) 12:11, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

maybe, maybe not.

  • the 3d planet balls on every game are basically nondescript mixes of color. there is no way to tell where so-and-so is just by looking at them. the only real maps of relevance come from shep's ingame representations of wherever s/he is.
  • much as i'd like to have planet images up for its ME/ME2/ME3/etc incarnations, article overcrowding is very much an inviolable no. i'm shoving in as much as i legally could, but that has limits. limits that can be circumvented with creative tinkering and extensive rules lawyering, things i am not willing to go into at the moment. (talk) 12:44, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

Regarding that point, do you still plan to implement the map tools on this wiki? I know that you were a lot busy these days on other stuff (there is no urgency) but I'd like to know if it's worthy to start gathering some information/pictures for maps projects (ME1 location, ME3MP maps,...). nb: Michel's "incident" is already forgotten in my head, I hope that it is the same in yours :) --DeldiRe (talk) 19:26, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I was just inquiring as to the comment you made regarding In-Universe detail on this page (medi-gel). If it is a question of content and detail, then surely it is not a cleanup tag issue? I feel that if there is a tag available such as "missing information", "incomplete" or similar (following the example if not the actual code of wikipedia in that regard) would be more accurate and more useful. Not that the public userbase really pays attention to where these tags are... Techhead7890Talk 07:06, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

-- 12:48, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Why you revert the changes? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by‎ (talk · contr).

extraneous detail that do not belong there. 12:52, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

2014 Q4


Hi Temporaryeditor78!

I saw that you reverted my edit to the Asari page where I added Lieutenant Kurin to the "notable asari" list. I'm not quite sure why you deleted her again. I mean, she is a notable asari and takes part in an — albeit small — portion of Priority: Thessia in Mass Effect 3.

A quick answer to my quick question would be appreciated :)


as you pointed out, kurin is a minor grunt in the overall war scenario. characters under "notable ____" are people holding some importance in-universe and in stories featuring them. those sections have no business being a glorified Category:Asari (or whatever) rehash. (talk) 03:23, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
Aah, I see. Thanks for clarifying that for me!

The changes I made were beneficial to the article. You either don't know what is and isn't necessary or are simply being spiteful. Which is it? I'm guessing the latter. Klad (talk) 05:30, October 6, 2014 (UTC)


I'm just querying this undone edit (not mine), where you gave the reason for removal as it being incorrect. According to the Kelly Chambers page, having dinner with her in ME2 is necessary for her to appear. In my own playthroughs, I have never encountered her in ME3: I had many conversations with her in ME2, but never chose any of the flirty dialogue options, and so never had dinner with her. (She did survive the Collector base.) -Sophia (talk) 10:59, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

color me misinformed. you're right. since nobody really contested it yet i'll just restore the item for the time being. (talk) 11:22, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

Why did you revert my edit to Aeian T'Goni? It was accurate. --Lucius Voltaic (talk) 09:09, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

no it isn't. t'goni is never seen with a human, the fact is only mentioned and the passage is from an intro POV. (talk) 09:13, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

I saw it myself. Don't assume you know everything. You want a screenshot or what? --Lucius Voltaic (talk) 18:05, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

a screenshot would be useless as i can easily produce enough counterevidence from youtube and from my own. you are probably confusing dialogue-gleaned information (which do report aeian's issues with her nurse [not psychotherapist]) from ingame environment scenario (two asari on chairs and nothing else).
if you're a console player, you may be on to something but as i don't own any i can't verify either way. if you're a PC player, i call mod shenanigans or a very rare instance of nonbackground NPC suddenly switching models. whatever the reason (besides mod or plain misunderstanding), this can be classified as a bug - at least two other people must corroborate your statements with as much supporting information as possible before any action on reintegrating can be taken. (talk) 19:09, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

I just wanted to say thanks for dealing with the small error I made with the grammar, my finger slipped while writing and I didn't catch that. Thanks again. -- 00:43, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

you know you could do with registering a wikia account since you're keen with helping out. perks include realtime mass effect discussion rights with other people on chat (and there are people at times). and apologies as well for the delayed response as i'm working on something behind the scenes.
just please take some responsibility in correcting your own mistakes as errorchecking+correcting then rinse/repeat for other incoming edits goes beyond tedious at times. practice whichever writing style you like for informal settings but you have to go all grammar nazi if you're putting something in articles. quality control and all. thanks. (talk) 10:56, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Temp, As you can see, I added a reference to MP maps on each planet page for coherency (it only appeared on 2 or 3 articles prior this change). The question is, shouldn't we put that reference in the "mission" chapter instead of trivia? (same question goes for N7HQ missions)--DeldiRe (talk) 09:04, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

over Menae: Wiki says "It is located on Menae, one of Palaven's moons." So I guess it's ok to put it on Menae page but I don't have the game installed on this computer to check it now.--DeldiRe (talk) 09:12, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
the description over at bioware's ME3 site doesn't specify which moon.
what the wiki says, what the game says, and what official bioware info says are different things. there are a couple other fuckups in map locations that slightly complicates matters. ingame first, then bioware web sources, then whatever's written on this wiki in terms of which information should be taken as correct.
as for your question, you're pigeonholing multiplayer maps into sections explicitly made for singleplayer missions. does not compute. (talk) 09:37, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
The wiki's statement that Condor is located on Menae appears to have been an assumption, as the only location given in-game is unhelpfully "Palaven". Elseweyr talkstalk 13:09:47, 2014-10-15 (UTC)
I agree with you Elsie and we should stick to this "Palaven". However, the Operation Alamo seems to point that Condor is located on Menea but I don't think that it's enough to say that it is "canon". Maybe it is valid for a trivia... (btw, thiw talk page is not really the best place to discuss this ;) ) --DeldiRe (talk) 09:46, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Why did you delete the page without even so much as a nomination for deletion and discussion? TheUnknown285 (talk) 14:52, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

because it falls under my housekeeping powers. none of what you put there except for the station and the DLC are actually referred to as "omega" in any context. the rest are potholing and only tangentially related by way of starting with "omega" or contains "omega" in it.
for a legit instance of disambigs, see Fitness (power). (talk) 15:00, October 20, 2014 (UTC)
If that's the standard you're going to go on, then you're going to have to delete or pare down a ton of disambig pages, including from Ascension, Adept (disambiguation), Mech, Pyro, Turret (disambiguation) and more. And the net result is going to mean it's going to be even more annoying to navigate the wiki. The Omega disamb page was created because it's a bitch to search for things that contain the word "omega" because instead of taking you to a search results page, it goes directly to the Omega page. TheUnknown285 (talk) 15:12, October 20, 2014 (UTC)
those aren't valid counterexamples really. ascension CAN mean multiple things in and out of universe. so are the rest of what you cited.
again, when people refer to "omega" in the singular, it's either just the station or the DLC. nobody calls, say, Omega: Aria T'Loak as simply "omega". no one calls the relay as "omega" - it's either "omega relay" or "omega-4 relay" or whichever of the others are there. which pyro are you referring to, vorcha or geth? geth or alliance turret? what mech? yadayada. the problem is you bashed together an assemblage of articles that contain "omega" without good reason, and when taking away all invalid (and borderline) usages you're stuck with just two items better left as mere disambig headers on affected articles. (talk) 15:36, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

Rather than argue any further, I will be creating a project proposal in the near future and putting it to a vote. TheUnknown285 (talk) 15:49, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

I replied on the wrong comment on page I can't delete the comment, so I ask you for deleting my comment.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 06:32, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

done 06:35, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

At your urging, I created a page for Victory (also, props to FirstDrellSpectre for adding the picture). I don't know if you've had a chance to take a look at it yet and wanted to make sure everything was okay before I removed the Victory entry from the Minor Characters article. TheUnknown285 (talk) 19:27, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

yes, i've seen it, though i'm thinking of replacing the picture with a more infobox-optimized one somewhere down the line. i'm monitoring things as usual, though responses on my end will be even more curt and/or sluggish for the forseeable future. civ: beyond earth has been eating up a lot of my available time in addition to some very anticipated shakeups to my daily routines. (talk) 04:07, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

When I was adding voice roles to character trivia, I was using informations from Can this site be considered as credible? FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 19:11, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Nope -- see Mass_Effect_Wiki:Manual_of_Style#Invalid_Sources. Elseweyr talkstalk 19:48:09, 2014-10-27 (UTC)

Can you clear things out? What is actually required to prove that a voice actor did really make work on a particular character? On MoS it says that the name of the actor must be at least present in the game's credits. Plus, under invalid sources there is an exception: 'Although if, for example, we are citing voice actors with legitimate confirmation sources it's acceptable to provide IMDb links to the Mass Effect characters that they voiced ONLY IF they do not have articles on Wikipedia.' What exactly must be presented if there is no info on the twitter? A screenshot from game's credits? --BloodyMares (talk) 16:43, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

IMDB links are only allowed for VAs 1) confirmed by other means and 2) have no wikipedia articles.
a screenshot of the credits would be useless as most of the VAs there are just listed under "additional voices".
the only way you can get confirmation is through legit publicity releases or by asking the relevant people who have confirmed social media outlets. asking, say, the game's voiceover director at the time (caroline livingstone) would be appropriate as she may be in a position to actually know something, asking raphael sbarge even if his twitter is confirmed is not (since he's hardly relevant to the issue).
to reiterate for the nth time, IMDB is never a go-to source. separate confirmation from elsewhere is always required before looking for the VA there. (talk) 17:01, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
Can this [1] page be considered as relevant? There is info on many actors from 'Additional voices'. It's unlikely that this info would be incorrect.--BloodyMares (talk) 17:21, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
is DC douglas bioware's casting director? that should answer your question. in case it doesn't, he uses IMDB to source back. so no. read conditionally valid sources please. (talk) 17:49, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

SOrry about Brood pic, you can delete it, I didn't saw your first edit. I will fin another pic for this paragraph.--DeldiRe (talk) 14:20, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

judging by layout previews and ctrl+- resizing the paragon lost article has already maxed its allotment of images without looking too overcrowded. that's not yet accounting for any copyediting down the line, which may even necessitate further trimming. (talk) 14:26, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I recently edited Liara T'Soni ME3 Dossier which was undone. There is a statement saying that after Tuchanka: Turian Platoon or Attican Traverse: Krogan Team Liara is found in the Normandy Lounge talking with Garrus about their previous adventures. I checked it in the game and it's only true for turian platoon mission. After investigating rachni she is in her cabin and has nothing to say about this mission while Garrus is in the lounge talking with Ensign Copeland about rachni.

--BloodyMares (talk) 07:33, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

because of the games' semi-nonlinear nature certain scripted events can happen within conditional bounds. the liara-garrus conversation is one of them. just because it didn't happen in -your- playthrough doesn't mean it can't happen ever, as ME3 is designed to be a bit more organic in flow than the previous games.
this is not a bug. i can vouch for this since i do remember it happening in some of my numerous testruns of multiple sheps. do not remove this again please.

well now, i'm more than willing to concede if i was actually mistaken, and it turns out i am. garrus is in the lounge with copeland after the rachni mission. mixup with the guy who originally wrote it in 2 years ago. (talk) 07:42, November 2, 2014 (UTC)


Excuse me, but I'd like to know why did you revert my edit on the Banshee and Geth Bomber, specially regarding the Banshee not being able to insta kill characters on inclined ground and the Geth Bomber's grenades causing no damage if they're killed before detonation? I play this game on a daily basis and this happens all the time in multiplayer regardless of latency, hosts or whatever. --Bingbangpoe (talk) 17:03, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

claims that apparently run counter to normal game mechanics are classified as bugs. it doesn't require one person testing millions of times, it requires three people at least (you + 2 others) affirming the findings as reported on the talkpages. (talk) 17:17, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
Then please, take your time to test it along with another person. I'm pretty sure you'll see it does work. --Bingbangpoe (talk) 17:31, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
I confirm Bingbangpoe's statement. It's a common knowledge on BSN, so everyone who's aware of it can exploit that. It's one of those things that can be described as a 'Clever use of game mechanics' like running with a backpack or glitching an intel upload. --BloodyMares (talk) 10:47, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

eh. please use the relevant article talkpages to discuss the issues. people looking for confirmation of their similar experiences are far more likely to look at those talkpages than mine.

see also MOS#bugreports and MOS#Information Sourcing for further guidance. (talk) 13:26, November 6, 2014 (UTC)


You reverted an edit I made here, but there wasn't a reason given. I rearranged the article because I found it confusing when I looked it up when I first played this mission. I attempted to have it so that it made slightly more sense in terms of what the player was doing step by step. I also added information from Hackett's briefing at the start. Would you explain where I went wrong, please? -Sophia (talk) 17:07, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

unnecessary rewording. it was fine and readable as it is. massive changes only needed if original is riddled with grammatical errors and the like. otherwise, it's just rewriting for the sake of rewriting. (talk) 21:06, November 13, 2014 (UTC)
I did say that I did it because I found it confusing as a new player, and attempted to have it make slightly more sense. I don't think in doing so that I made it, for example, so simplistic that the article no longer fit with the style of the rest of the Wiki. If I'm the stupidest user to ever visit this Wiki, having the article be more readable to me without reading worse to anyone else, seems like something that fits with the aim of the Wiki (providing information, with the articles needing to be accessible and readable). However, if my reasons didn't exist, and I did indeed rewrite just for the sake of rewriting because I think my wording is just that good, then that is still okay according to the MoS ("If you think you could word something better, write it.") and isn't a reason to revert, although I realise it would be arrogant and could potentially incite petty edit warring. -Sophia (talk) 22:47, November 13, 2014 (UTC)


User is going around writing "Jadelynn is awesome" and the like on various pages, and created a "JADELYNN ROCKS" page. I just wanted to bring that to your attention.

-- 18:51, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

dealt with. 21:28, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. -- 22:55, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Another vandal that you already warned is inserting BS on talk pages... User:Adien_Shepard --DeldiRe (talk) 17:04, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

whacked for spamming. 22:15, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

This anon just filled the romance article with what can only be described as a shit-ton of random text from some wikipedia article. TheUnknown285 (talk) 10:18, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

derp 10:20, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Hello Temporaryeditor78,

I have a quick question about copyright of images. I am interested in creating some maps for Mass Effect using CAD software and uploading them to Mass Effect Wikia. I am wary though since i am using Prima Game Guides maps as a reference/starting point.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, JayanneT --JayanneT (talk) 14:49, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

the wiki tends to look into and use the games' assets first to avoid complications. you intend to reference prima's stuff, and that's already two complications due to 1) third-party source, and 2) fan art (anything not an ingame asset, official art, or a screenshot).
files guideline especially prohibits fan art, even if based on official materials. we only use what people can also obtain from their own games. sorry about that, but no can do. (talk) 16:17, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, as a wiki-contributor, I am now very careful at editing pages because I know that sometimes contributions tend to be reverted. Not to accuse or anything, 'the truth by all means', but I have a logical question: How does one ensure that his/her contributions won't be reverted? Do I always have to start a topic on the 'Talk' page regarding plans for my contributions and not get any answers or is there a need-to-know info after acknowledging which I can safely edit a page without wasting my time in the end?--BloodyMares (talk) 20:39, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

Speaking from experience, the best thing you can do to ensure your edits aren't reverted (still not an absolute guarantee) is to back up your edits with references if possible. H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 05:53, November 24, 2014 (UTC)
yeah, that's only mandatory for stuff not apparent from the source games/novels/etc. (twitters, official viral sites and the like).

we have community guidelines and manuals of style, plastered on every autowelcome message to new editors here (also on the navbar above every page on this wiki). you're not required to know them by heart, but you are required to refer to them if you don't want e-drama from edits seemingly reverted out of the blue.
the assumption is you've at least perused the guidelines. the onus is -on the editor- to ensure what he/she adds/removes is in line with the guidelines and article structure. 70-90% of what's acceptable is basically laid out on those guidelines, the remainder is stuff you can legitimately ask about (or read about on talkpages and/or page histories and/or passed policies/projects on the forums).
tl;dr: lurk around. (talk) 13:02, November 24, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for providing a very detailed response. Now as you've mentioned about Policies/Projects, can any user suggest projects/vote on them or is it a privilege for members with ranks higher than a regular user?--BloodyMares (talk) 15:19, November 24, 2014 (UTC)
ideally, with enough wiki technical experts and admins involved to provide feedback/guidance, any registered user can. as it is, however, proposals are subject to sturgeon's law and in the absence of spart and trandra i will have to put my foot down when necessary. (talk) 22:24, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

Do not delete my edits! if you want me to collaborate, not make me angry! Sirio-astarot (talk) 12:15, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

1. race caps fail. 2. improper and unnecessary dash change. i could care less whatever you feel at the moment. your failure to read the automessage primers plastered on your talkpage and familiarize yourself with the workings here already makes it plain how long you'll last. (talk) 12:22, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

On page Harvester (enemy) is mentioned in trivia that that enemy is non-unique and doesn't appear in MP. However with release of new dlc Omega and Citadel, this trivia is no longer true, because we have adjutants rampart mechs and unindetified CAT6 mercs. I consider deleting this trivia or changing it. What's your opinion?FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 13:10, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

"base game" means exactly what it says: just ME3 without DLCs or multiplayer. adjutants and rampart mechs are -DLC- enemies. ergo, the wording prior to your alterations is valid. (talk) 13:16, November 30, 2014 (UTC)


I'd like to report a troll His 3rd sentence is a wounding and uncivil insult.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 07:17, December 3, 2014 (UTC) and here (I use a vpn on two different computers so that's why my ip rotates out, I also noticed I wasn't able to use the search function from those ips before it rotated out for some reason). Just got your message. I just experienced the Kelly Chambers bug (you mentioned Traynor) yesterday and noticed it wasn't on the wiki. I wasn't sure why it kept getting removed so I thought maybe it belonged under the Priority: Citadel II page. I haven't been able to find any references more substantial than forums most likely because it appears that this is a rare and minor bug. Didn't mean to cause any harm. Thanks, 02:23, December 4, 2014 (UTC)A dedicated Mass Effect fan

eh. facepalm fail on my part and i'll own up for that.
back to the issue at hand i did post ages back something tangential to the issue at the kelly talkpage. my findings aren't confirmation though. (talk) 03:16, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

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thanks for the headsup. will check it out upon finally getting enough downtime. (talk) 22:31, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

I added to ME3 PC Tweaks some info about how to get a working console. This IS a problem for most people who're not running on US-language versions of Windows, because the Tilde key on those keyboard doesn't work for accessing the console. It may not be *your* problem when you're on a US keyboard, but why remove the info. I only put it there because I had to find out myself by trial and error how to activate the console, and I put the info there because I have seen other people have the same problem. Rittmeister64 (talk) 21:01, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

no commentaries - neutral writing, no "i recommend" or anything along those lines. keep your opinions to yourself when inserting article information or do not put anything at all. (talk) 22:25, December 19, 2014 (UTC)
ok. I'll leave that out then. Funny thing though, even EDI says "I recommend", and she's a robot. I wrote recommend, because there are other ways to do the same job. Personally, I think you're taking that bureaucracy a bit too far, it takes the fun out of helping other people, but of course I try to abide to avoid another 30 day ban. Rittmeister64 (talk) 07:27, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

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